Abortion - Planned Parenthood

[Henry Hawk]

Oh, I definitely know what I'm talking about.

No, you don't.  When you make some of your statements, it is very obvious that you don't.  THAT IS A FACT.

[Exterminator]

That is actually an opinion.   

[Henry Hawk]

That is actually an opinion.   

Based upon facts....

[Exterminator]

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass.  That is a fact!

[Henry Hawk]

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass.  That is a fact!

There you go again......

[libby]

I do not know what to say regarding what I'm posting below, except that it made me physically ill and I cannot get it out of my mind. This little boy wasn't aborted, and got his chance at life, so where were all the people who wanted to adopt an unwanted abused child?  All I know is that for him, abortion would have been relatively quick and perhaps painless, while his chance at life gave him this:

(I repeat what I wrote in an earlier post: Every child who could be born should not be born.)

Blanca Rosa Reyes and Jonathan Navarrete-Turcios (Montgomery County Police)
By Julie Zauzmer and Elizabeth Koh August 14, 2015

A Montgomery County toddler died after weeks of abuse and neglect at the hands of his parents, county authorities said.

County police on Thursday arrested Blanca Rosa Reyes, 24, and Jonathan Navarrete-Turcios, 30, of Silver Spring on charges of second-degree murder, child abuse and neglect in the death of their son Matthew Navarrete-Reyes, who was 2 when he died in February.

During a court hearing Friday afternoon, prosecutor Ryan Wechsler said that when the child died, he was "covered from head to toe in bruises and lacerations," including behind his ears, over his face, and on his extremities — "places where it is not normal for children who are mobile" to get hurt.

Police said the boy's parents took him to the hospital on Feb. 13, dehydrated and battered. After his death, according to court documents, the parents told police about several injuries their son suffered in the preceding weeks.

Three weeks before his death, the couple reportedly told police, Reyes left Matthew sitting on the edge of the kitchen table while she went to check on one of the couple's two other children. He fell off. Reyes found him bleeding on the floor and thought he had cut his lip, she told police.

Reyes and Navarrete-Turcios told investigators that it was only the next night that they noticed that two of Matthew's teeth had been knocked out. They told investigators that he seemed to be all right, so they did not seek medical treatment for him.
Four or five days before his death, Reyes grew frustrated when Matthew was chewing on his utensil instead of eating. She hit him in the mouth, the court documents said.
About two days after that, he fell off a chair, the documents said. His parents said he had an oozing egg-size lump on the back of his head from that fall.

When investigators asked why they did not take him to a doctor after that, Reyes said, "His teeth had already fallen. I thought I would get in trouble for not being responsible," according to the court documents.

So they did nothing, according to the documents, and the day before Matthew died, he fell again while standing up. He could not support his head after that, his parents said, and they spent the day holding his neck with their hands to keep his head up.

They tried to feed their increasingly lethargic son, but he vomited repeatedly, the couple told police.
The couple told investigators that they put him to bed, and only when Reyes checked on him in the middle of the night and found him moaning did they take him to a hospital.

Forty minutes after they arrived, Matthew was dead.

In June, the Maryland medical examiner's office concluded that Matthew had suffered from dehydration, pneumonia and oral trauma. The office ruled his death a homicide.
In court Friday, Wechsler said that when Matthew was born, he tested positive for the drug methadone in his system, indicating Reyes used drugs while she was pregnant. Her children were taken into protective custody at the time but later were returned.

A county police spokesman, Capt. Paul Starks, said that the couple's two living children are again in the custody of Child Protective Services.

During the parents' court appearances, Montgomery District Judge Margaret M. Schweitzer upheld bond at $800,000 for Reyes and $750,000 for Navarrete-Turcios.
On the different amounts,Ramon V. Korionoff, spokesman for the state's attorney's office, said, "Sometimes commissioners have differing opinions on who's more culpable."

Defense attorneys, who declined to comment outside court, said that Navarrete-Turcios moved from California about a year ago to find better work in the Washington area and that Reyes followed him about three months later. Navarrete-Turcios recently got a commercial construction job, and Reyes started work at a Burger King about two months ago.

Dan Morse and Jenna Portnoy contributed to this report.

Julie Zauzmer is a local news reporter.

Elizabeth Koh reports on local politics for The Washington Post.

www.washingtonpost.com

[me]

The children should have been removed from the home when they found out she used drugs while pregnant but considering they were in Cal at the time of the birth it isn't surprising that they didn't.

[Palehorse]

The children should have been removed from the home when they found out she used drugs while pregnant but considering they were in Cal at the time of the birth it isn't surprising that they didn't.

Cali has nothing to do with it. The exact same thing would have resulted if they had been in Indiana. . . and a host of other U.S. States. . .

This whole "fiscal responsibility" thing conservatives have been running around hawking has been improperly labeled. It should be "fiscal irresponsibility" and there are a number of individuals that should be swinging from the yard-arm for it.

I've been saying all along that I am all for trimming the fat, but their choices started with the least amongst us because in their view they are the low hanging fruit. The problem is it resulted in massive revenue stream losses to those entities within government that support the poor; including DCFS and it's various acronyms across the nation.

So, like Indiana, most states are struggling with case-workers bearing two, three, and four times the recommended case loads because of the resulting headcount losses due to ill advised budgetary cuts. We're talking about the human beings whose job it is to deal with other human beings in crises. That safety net is now more of a sieve than the Colts defensive line because of it; nation-wide.

And make no mistake, that case load has indeed risen because of the "economic decline" that was driven by some extremely poor governmental decisions, including; deregulation of the financial district, insurance, (including healthcare and home, financial), and a whole host of additional horse hockey that has been going on for well in excess of a decade preceding the 2007 start of the collapse.

This crap drove millions of people out of their homes, out of their jobs, and into the various social safety nets; and despite decades of abuse of these programs by a comparatively small group, our "elected leadership" chose this time period to begin conducting whole-sale cuts and started with those very programs at a time when they were desperately needed.

This is nothing new, or shouldn't be for those of you that were around back in 2007. I've been saying this would happen since then and here we are! Surprised? 

[libby]

The awful story I posted above was one of many. The Washington Post has changed hands and the new owner seems to be at times focusing more on the news. I've read the WP for decades; the original owner leaned more toward the genteel, like turning one's head and pretending not to notice the beggars, the obviously homeless walking down the side of the road. 

The county I live in is a rich one, and I have to say we seem to do a lot for the homeless and poor and disadvantaged. There's a homeless shelter on Route 1 not far from where I live; actually, it's on Ft. Belvoir property. My son and I used to drop off clothes and food and other stuff there, but the last time I was there they directed me to a big United Methodist Church in Alexandria which has more room and also operates a soup kitchen. I took my son's clothes there after he passed away.

And speaking of churches, the big Catholic church, also not far from my home, has had a big sign out front for months:

Pregnant? Need Help? Call: (phone number provided.) 

[Anne]

I think one of the problems is the obsession with keeping the family together no matter what. It takes so long and so much work to terminate parental rights. In the meantime the children are in limbo, foster homes or group homes. There are a lot of things that need changed and yes, one of them is the need for more case workers, but we all probably see people who shouldn't have children and know there is nothing that can be done. I would venture a guess that a number of those people would never ever consider abortion.

[Purplelady1040]

I think one of the problems is the obsession with keeping the family together no matter what. It takes so long and so much work to terminate parental rights. In the meantime the children are in limbo, foster homes or group homes. There are a lot of things that need changed and yes, one of them is the need for more case workers, but we all probably see people who shouldn't have children and know there is nothing that can be done. I would venture a guess that a number of those people would never ever consider abortion.

That is part of the problem and too many times the social workers will return a child even though there has been abuses of all kinds in the home!

[libby]

 
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I think one of the problems is the obsession with keeping the family together no matter what. It takes so long and so much work to terminate parental rights. In the meantime the children are in limbo, foster homes or group homes. There are a lot of things that need changed and yes, one of them is the need for more case workers, but we all probably see people who shouldn't have children and know there is nothing that can be done. I would venture a guess that a number of those people would never ever consider abortion.

That is part of the problem and too many times the social workers will return a child even though there has been abuses of all kinds in the home!

Here's another horrible story of infanticide from yesterday's Washington Post. There have been more - in recent memory - but I think I was 'too busy' to get around to reading them. Truth: they hurt too much. I can't get them out of my mind.

washingtonpost.com


Infant girl in Maryland abuse case had most of her ribs broken

Maryland couple charged in murder of 10-week-old baby
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Robert Alan Davidson, 24, of Rockville, Md., is being held on a $5 million bond in the murder and sexual abuse of his 10-week-old daughter. The mother of the infant, Lorena Thompson, posted bond on Monday and faces charges of child abuse and neglect. (WUSA9)

By Dan Morse August 24 at 9:22 PM
The autopsy of a 10-week-old infant who police say was sexually abused and killed by her father showed that all but two of the girl's ribs were broken, a Maryland prosecutor said in court Monday.

The prosecutor was arguing that Robert Alan Davidson, 24, should continue to be held on the $5 million bond that was set when he was booked into jail Saturday on charges of sexual abuse of a minor, second-degree murder and other counts. Montgomery County District Judge Barry Hamilton agreed.

"The horrific, horrendous, despicable nature of this crime can't possibly be overstated," Hamilton said.

The child, Aleah Thompson, died of blunt-force injuries, authorities said.

Police allege that Davidson, Aleah's father, touched her in private areas in a way that constituted sexual abuse. Police also said in court papers that he admitted to detectives that he dropped Aleah several times and shook her aggressively.

Mapping homicides in the District and the surrounding suburbs since 2000. View Graphic

An autopsy showed that Aleah was below the fifth percentile for body weight compared with other infants of the same age, authorities said. They said her parents did not seek appropriate medical care after her injuries.

John Lavigne, a public defender who represented Davidson in court Monday, did not address the specific allegations. He told the judge that Davidson, who lives in Rockville, does not have an adult criminal record, cooperated with police and has been employed at a local restaurant for three years.

The hearing underscored the difference in the allegations leveled against Davidson and the child's mother, Lorena Thompson, 22, who also is charged in the case.

Thompson graduated from high school in Northern Virginia, has no criminal record, has a 5-year-old son from a previous relationship and was working as a cook for Met Bethesda for the past nine months, said her attorney, Theresa Chernosky.

"There were no injuries attributable to my client," Chernosky said. She later said, "We're hoping that her job may still be available to her."

[Earlier: Maryland couple charged in death of 10-week-old girl]

Prosecutor Cynthia Bridgford said her office is pursuing abuse charges against Thompson under the legal theory of failing to protect a child. Thompson allegedly knew that the baby was injured while she was at work and had talked to Davidson about the injuries.

Still, Bridgford agreed with Chernosky that none of the child's injuries were attributed to the mother. Based on the evidence, Hamilton, the judge, said that "every arrow points directly at Mr. Davidson."

Hamilton then said he would make Thompson's bond an unsecured type, meaning she could be easily released from jail pending further action in her case. Just before doing so, Hamilton said, "What I am about to do in no way, shape, form or fashion is to at all minimize the horror of this crime, and the apparent involvement of Ms. Thompson."

Thompson posted bond after the hearing and was released from custody, according to court records.

Dan Morse covers courts and crime in Montgomery County. He arrived at the paper in 2005, after reporting stops at the Wall Street Journal, Baltimore Sun and Montgomery (Ala.) Advertiser, where he was a Pulitzer Prize finalist. He is the author of The Yoga Store Murder.

[AbbyTC]

Pastor Craig Conner (Pastor of First Baptist Church of Panama City, FL) obviously doesn't use his brain.  Conner argued that the federal government was spending $540 million a year to fund Planned Parenthood.

"Friend, that offends me," he explained. "And honestly, I was talking to the Lord about this just the other day and I said, 'Lord, I can't continue this.' You know if Planned Parenthood is not defunded, I just may stop paying taxes. I know that I'll go to jail for it."

"You want to talk about reducing the national debt?" Conner continued. "We could reduce it overnight if they would defund this evil organization and put it on the national debt. Man, we could get out of debt immediately."   

How stupid can you get?

[Henry Hawk]

Pastor Craig Conner (Pastor of First Baptist Church of Panama City, FL) obviously doesn't use his brain.  Conner argued that the federal government was spending $540 million a year to fund Planned Parenthood.

"Friend, that offends me," he explained. "And honestly, I was talking to the Lord about this just the other day and I said, 'Lord, I can't continue this.' You know if Planned Parenthood is not defunded, I just may stop paying taxes. I know that I'll go to jail for it."

"You want to talk about reducing the national debt?" Conner continued. "We could reduce it overnight if they would defund this evil organization and put it on the national debt. Man, we could get out of debt immediately."   

How stupid can you get?

Yeah, that IS pretty moronic....no argument from me.

[Exterminator]

To be clear, Republicans do not only want to defund Planned Parenthood; they want to defund Title X, for which, the $300 million price tag saves U.S. taxpayers approximately $4 billion annually in Medicaid birth-related costs.