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Started by Bo D, August 10, 2015, 01:24:43 PM

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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on August 12, 2015, 12:48:25 PM
The subject is the tax exemptions you take for the results of your having had sex.  Why should the rest of the taxpayers foot the bill for you?

Talk to your congressman.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2015, 01:10:49 PM
Oh, I have kept up...and the republicans are STILL willing to give the money allocated to help women in Community Centers/hospitals.......they just want the $$ for abortions to go away.

Holy Hell!!!! Every damned one of the republicans I quoted on the last page wants to do away with affordable birth control!

Are you that dense today?

Please give us a concrete example of those community centers/hospitals and how accessible they are.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2015, 01:11:20 PM
Talk to your congressman.

So you admit you're a hypocrite who is unwilling to be held personally accountable for your actions unless someone else makes you...got it.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 01:16:13 PM
Holy Hell!!!! Every damned one of the republicans I quoted on the last page wants to do away with affordable birth control!

And, of course, federal tax dollars aren't used for abortions anyway.   :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on August 12, 2015, 01:17:40 PM
So you admit you're a hypocrite who is unwilling to be held personally accountable for your actions unless someone else makes you...got it.

You are so full of shit it is pathetic...all I know is, I follow the law. If you don't like it, talk to your congressman.  I don't like certain things in the law and I vote for those who will TRY to change it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on August 12, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
And, of course, federal tax dollars aren't used for abortions anyway.   :rolleyes:
bullshit
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
bullshit

The Hyde Amendment

SEC. 506. (a) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for any abortion. (b) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Bo D

I am getting SOOOO tired of fighting willful ignorance.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 01:28:37 PM
The Hyde Amendment

SEC. 506. (a) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for any abortion. (b) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

upcoming implementation of President Obama's health care reform law, new routes for abortion funding and subsidizing have been opened up.....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 01:32:10 PM
I am getting SOOOO tired of fighting willful ignorance.
Obviously not.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2015, 01:33:56 PM
upcoming implementation of President Obama's health care reform law, new routes for abortion funding and subsidizing have been opened up.....

LIE!!!!


President issued Executive Order 13535 on March 24, 2010 affirming that the Hyde Amendment would extend to the new bill.
"ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services "
"The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly created health insurance exchanges. "
"The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services"
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
You are so full of shit it is pathetic...

What is pathetic is that you aren't man enough to live up to the same standards you expect of others.

Quote...all I know is, I follow the law.

How convenient.  :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 01:48:54 PM
LIE!!!!


President issued Executive Order 13535 on March 24, 2010 affirming that the Hyde Amendment would extend to the new bill.
"ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services "
"The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly created health insurance exchanges. "
"The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services"

Because the health care exchanges and other programs authorized and appropriated under the Affordable Care Act are separate from all other appropriations laws, the President's promise to extend the Hyde amendment to the "newly created exchanges" was the game changer.  The President got the votes of several pro-life democrats needed for passage.

Recent history now shows the President's solemn promise to extend Hyde to the Affordable Care Act was a lie.

While the Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds to any health plan that includes abortion except for rape, incest or to save the life of the mother, the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to notice by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, is today making monthly advance payments with U.S. taxpayer funds to insurance companies or to exchanges to pay for health insurance plans that subsidize abortion on demand.

It couldn't be more clear—the President is not extending the Hyde Amendment to the "newly created exchanges".

Moreover, an extensive audit released last September by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that 1,036 Affordable Care Act exchange plans had abortion secretly embedded in the plan.  If the Hyde Amendment truly had been applied the number of plans with elective abortion coverage would be zero.

We live in an age of ultrasound imaging—the ultimate window to the womb and the child who resides there.  We are in the midst of a fetal health care revolution, an explosion of benign interventions designed to diagnose, treat and cure the precious lives of these youngest patients.  We also know unborn children, at least by 20 weeks, or about 6 months, feel horrific pain while being aborted.

Because of this, Americans have consistently demanded—and now in ever-growing numbers—that public funds not pay for abortion. The Marist Poll released this month found that 68 percent of Americans oppose taxpayer funding for abortions, and that includes 69 percent of women; 71 percent of the millennials. The younger generation knows that we cannot build a better future by paying for the destruction of the most vulnerable among us.


(Chris Smith, a representative from New Jersey,  is the author of HR 7, the No Taxpayers Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act.)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2015, 02:02:38 PM
Because the health care exchanges and other programs authorized and appropriated under the Affordable Care Act are separate from all other appropriations laws, the President's promise to extend the Hyde amendment to the "newly created exchanges" was the game changer.  The President got the votes of several pro-life democrats needed for passage.

Recent history now shows the President's solemn promise to extend Hyde to the Affordable Care Act was a lie.

While the Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds to any health plan that includes abortion except for rape, incest or to save the life of the mother, the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to notice by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, is today making monthly advance payments with U.S. taxpayer funds to insurance companies or to exchanges to pay for health insurance plans that subsidize abortion on demand.

It couldn't be more clear—the President is not extending the Hyde Amendment to the "newly created exchanges".

Moreover, an extensive audit released last September by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that 1,036 Affordable Care Act exchange plans had abortion secretly embedded in the plan.  If the Hyde Amendment truly had been applied the number of plans with elective abortion coverage would be zero.

We live in an age of ultrasound imaging—the ultimate window to the womb and the child who resides there.  We are in the midst of a fetal health care revolution, an explosion of benign interventions designed to diagnose, treat and cure the precious lives of these youngest patients.  We also know unborn children, at least by 20 weeks, or about 6 months, feel horrific pain while being aborted.

Because of this, Americans have consistently demanded—and now in ever-growing numbers—that public funds not pay for abortion. The Marist Poll released this month found that 68 percent of Americans oppose taxpayer funding for abortions, and that includes 69 percent of women; 71 percent of the millennials. The younger generation knows that we cannot build a better future by paying for the destruction of the most vulnerable among us.


(Chris Smith, a representative from New Jersey,  is the author of HR 7, the No Taxpayers Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act.)

:haha: :haha: :haha:

You picked Washington Post Fact Checker! Too bad you didn't read the whole thing!

Under Obamacare, health insurance plans could cover some or all elective abortions, but they can't use federal tax credits and subsidies to offset the cost. Insurance providers that cover elective abortions must charge consumers separately and deposit the money into a separate account that contains no federal money. Providers need to bill enrollees separately for elective abortions by itemizing them separately in monthly bills or sending separate bills.

"Moreover, an extensive audit released last September by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that 1,036 Affordable Care Act exchange plans had abortion secretly embedded in the plan"

Another lie!

States can pass laws to ban or restrict health plans from providing coverage for elective abortions. In 2014, 23 states restricted coverage for these procedures. There were 1,036 plans in 28 states that provided some or all coverage for elective abortions.

Obama ordered Health and Human Services and the Office of Management and Budget to issue a guideline for states so they can comply with billing and funding segregation requirements.

The report did not examine whether the providers were illegally using federal subsidies to pay for elective abortion services. In response to the report, HHS released a new set of regulations to clarify billing and funding segregation requirements.

Experts say the GAO's findings do not necessarily mean insurance providers are inappropriately using federal subsidies to cover abortion services.





"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Bo D

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan