Abortion - Planned Parenthood

[Exterminator]

Just because YOU know people there, who do good things, does NOT negate the BAD things that DOES go on there.  PERIOD.

What bad things, specifically?

[Bo D]

What bad things, specifically?

I know! I know! 

Scumbag, lying right-wing news media sneaking in with cameras and asking leading questions, baiting and then releasing heavily edited and re-worked video to make it look like something is wrong.

[libby]

And I know. Henry, I gave you a chance. I implied one thing, you inferred another. So here are the facts (ironically) from Fox News. 

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MEDICAL RESEARCH
Medical researchers say fetal tissue remains essential
Published August 11, 2015
Associated Press
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The furor on Capitol Hill over Planned Parenthood has stoked a debate about the use of tissue from aborted fetuses in medical research, but U.S. scientists have been using such cells for decades to develop vaccines and seek treatments for a host of ailments, from vision loss and neurological disorders to cancer and AIDS.

Anti-abortion activists set off the uproar by releasing undercover videos of Planned Parenthood officials that raised questions of whether the organization was profiting from the sale of fetal tissue. Planned Parenthood has denied making any profit and said it charges fees solely to cover its costs.

University laboratories that buy such cells strongly defend their research, saying tissue that would otherwise be thrown out has played a vital role in lifesaving medical advances and holds great potential for further breakthroughs.

Fetal cells are considered ideal because they divide rapidly, adapt to new environments easily and are less susceptible to rejection than adult cells when transplanted.

"If researchers are unable to work with fetal tissue, there is a huge list of diseases for which researchers would move much more slowly, rather than quickly, to find their cause and how they can be cured," Stanford University spokeswoman Lisa Lapin said in an email.

From 2011 through 2014 alone, 97 research institutions — mostly universities and hospitals — received a total of $280 million in federal grants for fetal tissue research from the National Institutes of Health. A few institutions have consistently gotten large shares of that money, including Yale, the University of California and Massachusetts General Hospital, which is affiliated with Harvard.

The U.S. government prohibits the sale of fetal tissue for profit and requires separation between researchers and the women who donate fetuses. Some schools go further, requiring written consent from donors.

Many major universities declined to make scientists available for interviews about their fetal tissue work, saying they fear for the researchers' safety because the issue is so highly charged. The Planned Parenthood uproar led to a failed attempt by Republicans to strip the organization of federal funding.

Researchers use fetal tissue to understand cell biology and human development. Others use it to look for treatments for AIDS. Research on spinal cord injuries and eyesight-robbing macular degeneration involves transplanting fetal cells into patients. European researchers recently began putting fetal tissue into patients' brains to try to treat Parkinson's, a strategy that previously had mixed results.

Some scientists are looking for alternatives to fetal tissue, such as using adult cells that have been "reprogrammed" to their earlier forms. But those techniques are still being refined, and some fields are likely to remain reliant on fetal tissue, such as the study of fetal development.
Vaccines have been one of the chief public benefits of fetal tissue research. Vaccines for hepatitis A, German measles, chickenpox and rabies, for example, were developed using cell lines grown from tissue from two elective abortions, one in England and one in Sweden, that were performed in the 1960s.

German measles, also known as rubella, "caused 5,000 spontaneous abortions a year prior to the vaccine," said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious-disease specialist at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "We wouldn't have saved all those lives had it not been for those cells."

Fetal tissue was "absolutely critical" to the development of a potential Ebola vaccine that has shown promise, said Dr. Carrie Wolinetz, an associate director at NIH, which last year handed out $76 million for work involving fetal tissue, or 0.2 percent of the agency's research budget.

Scientists are also using fetal tissue to try to identify substances in adults that could be early warning signs of cancer, said Dr. Akhilesh Pandey, a molecular biologist at Johns Hopkins University.

Experts at MIT and other research centers use fetal tissue to implant the human immune system into mice, as a way to study diseases without employing people as test subjects. They add tumors to study the immune system's response, then test cancer treatments out on the mice.

"This eventually will provide a benefit to society," said Jianzhu Chen, an immunology professor and researcher at MIT.

At Stanford, fetal tissue has been used to study Huntington's disease, "bubble boy disease" and juvenile diabetes. Fetal brain calls are now being used there in research on autism and schizophrenia.

After the release of the undercover videos, Colorado State University conducted an ethics review and suspended its dealings with one vendor. But it is pressing ahead with its HIV research with fetal tissue.

"Our position is this research has such tremendous value in driving discoveries that could be done no other way," said Alan Rudolph, university vice president of research.

[Henry Hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAGsjoorvk

Here are the video's in its entirety, uncut, unedited.

At the very least, it is highly immoral, for a person in her position, to discuss these issues in the manner she did......negotiating a price of a baby's organs, like selling tires is what I consider a "Bad thing".  Killing a baby in a particular fashion so it doesn't ruin specific organs, so they can SELL THEM?...    HOW is this a good thing?

[Bo D]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAGsjoorvk

Here are the video's in its entirety, uncut, unedited.

At the very least, it is highly immoral, for a person in her position, to discuss these issues in the manner she did......negotiating a price of a baby's organs, like selling tires is what I consider a "Bad thing".  Killing a baby in a particular fashion so it doesn't ruin specific organs, so they can SELL THEM?...    HOW is this a good thing?

Form the comment immediately below the video ...

The claims by this fraudulent group "The Center for Medical Progress" have been proven wrong. "Baby parts" are not "sold for profit". Fetal tissue donation is real, and legal, and all Republicans except 4 voted in favor of it in 1993. The problem with the claim is that ALL states that have investigated have proven so far that PP doesn't actually do any of the things this fraudulent group accuses them of doing, which is "sell baby parts for profit". As we hear the apparent PP official here, "We're not in it for the money". We now know that between $30-100 for tissue samples are the average costs for a tissue sample, exactly the range the official told the anti-choice fraud woman.

[The Troll]

  The more Henry opens his mouth the more he proves he has no brain.     

[Exterminator]

...then releasing heavily edited and re-worked video to make it look like something is wrong.

Otherwise known as lying.

[Henry Hawk]

Otherwise known as lying.

but it wasn't edited. It is what it is.

[Exterminator]

but it wasn't edited. It is what it is.

The way it was originally presented was absolutely lying.  Do you not know the difference?

By the way, if using fetal tissue for research offends you so badly, you are certainly welcome to avoid contributing to it by not ever going to a doctor or hospital if you or someone in your family gets sick.

[The Troll]

The way it was originally presented was absolutely lying.  Do you not know the difference?

By the way, if using fetal tissue for research offends you so badly, you are certainly welcome to avoid contributing to it by not ever going to a doctor or hospital if you or someone in your family gets sick.

  A-men, just pray yourself healthy, Henry.     

[me]

Form the comment immediately below the video ...

The claims by this fraudulent group "The Center for Medical Progress" have been proven wrong. "Baby parts" are not "sold for profit". Fetal tissue donation is real, and legal, and all Republicans except 4 voted in favor of it in 1993. The problem with the claim is that ALL states that have investigated have proven so far that PP doesn't actually do any of the things this fraudulent group accuses them of doing, which is "sell baby parts for profit". As we hear the apparent PP official here, "We're not in it for the money". We now know that between $30-100 for tissue samples are the average costs for a tissue sample, exactly the range the official told the anti-choice fraud woman.

Why were they haggling over the price if not for profit? If they are not for profit why not just donate the entire body? The government also pays for the research through taxing us and this process makes it cost us more in the long run. They/we fund both ends of the deal if you think about it.

[libby]

Why not donate the whole body? Haggling over price? The government ....

Human body parts, even such things as the afterbirth, are only viable for so long, and different entities want/need specific body parts, not the whole body. Gruesome example:

When my son died suddenly about 7 years ago, his girlfriend and I drove to the hospital where they took him, and almost immediately after the doctor quietly told us he did not survive, somebody else came in and said they needed my permission as next of kin to release his body (which he agreed to donate on his demise). I signed the paper and we left and went home -- and called my daughter, his sister. Then the phone started ringing. The first call was from a neurosurgeon who wanted his brain. I don't remember specifics of other calls after that, except for one from the county coroner, who wanted my permission to do an autopsy to determine cause of death.  Again I said OK. But not long after that he called back and said they couldn't use his body after all because he had some kind of infection in his lungs, plus COPD complicated by rib fractures.

So I had to face the fact that in about 3 hours my boy had died, been cut up and spread around, so I told the undertaker that I wanted what was left of him cremated.

[me]

Why not donate the whole body? Haggling over price? The government ....

Human body parts, even such things as the afterbirth, are only viable for so long, and different entities want/need specific body parts, not the whole body. Gruesome example:

When my son died suddenly about 7 years ago, his girlfriend and I drove to the hospital where they took him, and almost immediately after the doctor quietly told us he did not survive, somebody else came in and said they needed my permission as next of kin to release his body (which he agreed to donate on his demise). I signed the paper and we left and went home -- and called my daughter, his sister. Then the phone started ringing. The first call was from a neurosurgeon who wanted his brain. I don't remember specifics of other calls after that, except for one from the county coroner, who wanted my permission to do an autopsy to determine cause of death.  Again I said OK. But not long after that he called back and said they couldn't use his body after all because he had some kind of infection in his lungs, plus COPD complicated by rib fractures.

So I had to face the fact that in about 3 hours my boy had died, been cut up and spread around, so I told the undertaker that I wanted what was left of him cremated.

Do you not see the difference here? Abortion clinic....hospital......Your son had a chance to experience life.......the unborn child didn't.......the mother, or another relative had no chance to have a say in the matter.....you did.....

[Purplelady1040]

Do you not see the difference here? Abortion clinic....hospital......Your son had a chance to experience life.......the unborn child didn't.......the mother, or another relative had no chance to have a say in the matter.....you did.....

Really, a mother can't say no to an abortion? How hard is it to say no!!!

[me]

Really, a mother can't say no to an abortion? How hard is it to say no!!!

Sure, they can say no to the abortion but they have no say in what happens to the baby. Yes, I said baby because if it has body parts to be distributed it is a formed baby not a lump of cells.