Abortion - Planned Parenthood

[Bo D]

So the government should PAY for it then? 

You know Bo, I understand this whole argument. It is just frustrating to see a group of people be so dependent on certain things.  Like I said, I know these girls get tatoos, smokes, booze....but yet cannot take care of themselves on important stuff.

There is no "accountability" for their actions, for many young folks today....

Even with the FREE birth control, which IS available to many poor folks, there STILL is a problem with un-wanted pregnancies and abortions.

I hate that our country is turning into a dependent state.

• The overall U.S. unintended pregnancy rate increased slightly between 1994 and 2008, but unintended pregnancy increased 55% among poor women, while decreasing 24% among higher-income women.

• Overall, the abortion rate decreased 8% between 2000 and 2008, but abortion increased 18% among poor women, while decreasing 28% among higher-income women.

•In 2011, approximately 1.06 million abortions took place in the U.S., down from an estimated 1.21 million abortions in 2008, 1.29 million in 2002, 1.31 million in 2000 and 1.36 million in 1996. From 1973 through 2011, nearly 53 million legal abortions occurred in the U.S. (AGI).
•Based on available state-level data, an estimated 984,000 abortions took place in 2013—down from an estimated 1.02 million abortions in 2012.

[Bo D]

So ... if you're poor, you're relegated to a lower class of humans with fewer rights?

[Henry Hawk]

So ... if you're poor, you're relegated to a lower class of humans with fewer rights?

They have the same rights.  The poor in this country have nearly everything they need to survive for free.  I am not against helping the poor, neither is the republican party.  I am struggling with helping those who WON'T help themselves.  Smokes, Tattoos, and drugs, are not needed for survival...

[Bo D]

They have the same rights.  The poor in this country have nearly everything they need to survive for free.  I am not against helping the poor, neither is the republican party.  I am struggling with helping those who WON'T help themselves.  Smokes, Tattoos, and drugs, are not needed for survival...

We're not talking about smokes and tattoos!   

We're talking about the working poor and struggling middle class women who want to enjoy a little romp in the bed every now and then without having to worry about getting pregnant!

[Exterminator]

So the government should PAY for it then?

So you take issue with paying $850.00 for birth control but not the $3,950.00 exemption you take for each of your dependents? 

There is no "accountability" for their actions, for many young folks today....

Where is your accountability?  You had sex and chose to have children; why should the rest of us be forced to subsidize you?

I hate that our country is turning into a dependent state.

Then put your money where your mouth is and stop being one of them!

[Henry Hawk]

We're not talking about smokes and tattoos! 

We're talking about the working poor and struggling middle class women who want to enjoy a little romp in the bed every now and then without having to worry about getting pregnant!

and it already IS affordable!!!     $0 to $50 a month!!  for the pill.  It is that SAME working poor and struggling middle class women who are able to buy smokes and tattoos! yet CRY when they have to belly up for some BC.

[Bo D]

and it already IS affordable!!!     $0 to $50 a month!!  for the pill.  It is that SAME working poor and struggling middle class women who are able to buy smokes and tattoos! yet CRY when they have to belly up for some BC.

Can't you friggin read?

The Pill can cost $850 per year when you include the cost of a doctor's visit. The patch and ring can set users back $1200 per year. And sterilization costs around $6,000 without insurance.

[Henry Hawk]

Then put your money where your mouth is and stop being one of them!

You have NO clue to what I do with my money.  Helping those who need it, I am the first in line to help. Giving back is something that being a Christian has taught me for years now. Maybe you should think about it sometime.

[Henry Hawk]

Can't you friggin read?

The Pill can cost $850 per year when you include the cost of a doctor's visit. The patch and ring can set users back $1200 per year. And sterilization costs around $6,000 without insurance.

I read what YOU wrote.  I also KNOW that family planning will issue the pill for free up to $50 bucks a month....

[Exterminator]

You have NO clue to what I do with my money.  Helping those who need it, I am the first in line to help. Giving back is something that being a Christian has taught me for years now. Maybe you should think about it sometime.

The subject is the tax exemptions you take for the results of your having had sex.  Why should the rest of the taxpayers foot the bill for you?

[Bo D]

I read what YOU wrote.  I also KNOW that family planning will issue the pill for free up to $50 bucks a month....

Which is what the republicans want to put an end to. Refer to previous page. Please try to keep up.

[me]

The subject is the tax exemptions you take for the results of your having had sex.  Why should the rest of the taxpayers foot the bill for you?

He contributes too which is a point you seem to keep missing here. The old personal attack again which is a debating trick to throw the opposing person off by having to defend themselves rather than discuss the issue. Damn this gets old. 

[Bo D]

He contributes too which is a point you seem to keep missing here. The old personal attack again which is a debating trick to throw the opposing person off by having to defend themselves rather than discuss the issue. Damn this gets old. 

How the hell is that a personal attack?

[Henry Hawk]

Which is what the republicans want to put an end to. Refer to previous page. Please try to keep up.

Oh, I have kept up...and the republicans are STILL willing to give the money allocated to help women in Community Centers/hospitals.......they just want the $$ for abortions to go away.

[Exterminator]

He contributes too which is a point you seem to keep missing here.

Are you assuming that none of the people for whom he would deny the cost of birth control contribute?  That would be a pretty stupid assumption.

My household contributes a lot more than his does and we use fewer taxpayer funded resources.  Why are my tax dollars subsidizing his breeding?  Seems pretty hypocritical for him to be profiting for his sex life while he's demanding others be accountable for theirs.

The old personal attack again which is a debating trick to throw the opposing person off by having to defend themselves rather than discuss the issue. Damn this gets old. 

How would you suggest we address such wanton stupidity?