And this idiot really wants to be president? :rolleyes:
"Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) is known for waging political battles even if the odds of success are slim. He famously launched a 21-hour filibuster in a failed, last-ditch effort to repeal Obamacare. But his latest crusade may be his biggest challenge yet: repealing a federal law that does not exist.
On Twitter, Cruz blasted the federal government role in education and called for the repeal of Common Core:
Federal govt has no business sticking its nose in education. We need to repeal every word of Common Core! #nhpolitics #MakeDCListen
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) March 15, 2015
Can Cruz "make DC listen"? It will be particularly hard since Common Core is not, in fact, a federal law."
Link to full story (http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/03/16/3633972/ted-cruz-makes-impassioned-plea-repeal-federal-legislation-not-exist/)
Quote from: Locutus on March 16, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
And this idiot really wants to be president? :rolleyes:
"Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) is known for waging political battles even if the odds of success are slim. He famously launched a 21-hour filibuster in a failed, last-ditch effort to repeal Obamacare. But his latest crusade may be his biggest challenge yet: repealing a federal law that does not exist.
On Twitter, Cruz blasted the federal government role in education and called for the repeal of Common Core:
Federal govt has no business sticking its nose in education. We need to repeal every word of Common Core! #nhpolitics #MakeDCListen
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) March 15, 2015
Can Cruz "make DC listen"? It will be particularly hard since Common Core is not, in fact, a federal law."
Link to full story (http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/03/16/3633972/ted-cruz-makes-impassioned-plea-repeal-federal-legislation-not-exist/)
You need to quit reading the talking points by the left.
He never said Common Core was Federal Law.
It is OBVIOUS, that he is talking about repealing Common Core State Standards Initiative. It IS SPONSORED by the National Governors Association, which IS a liaison between the state governments and the federal government.
There is much more to the story.....
Diane Ravitch, a former assistant U.S. secretary of education, says, "They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core. Their creation was neither grassroots nor did it emanate from the states." Instead, Common Core is being driven by policymakers in D.C.
While not a federal program, it's strongly championed by the Obama administration; states who adopt the standards are eligible for Race to the Top (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/38477453) funds.
Just google this topic, and you will see that it is NOT supported by the majority of folks, it never took off the way it was intended, because of folks in Washington began pushing its agenda into the program.
Cruz is 100% correct with his analysis and YES, wants to be POTUS, and I think he would be a very good one at that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 01:05:41 PM
You need to quit reading the talking points by the left.
He never said Common Core was Federal Law.
It is OBVIOUS, that he is talking about repealing Common Core State Standards Initiative. It IS SPONSORED by the National Governors Association, which IS a liaison between the state governments and the federal government.
There is much more to the story.....
Diane Ravitch, a former assistant U.S. secretary of education, says, "They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core. Their creation was neither grassroots nor did it emanate from the states." Instead, Common Core is being driven by policymakers in D.C.
While not a federal program, it's strongly championed by the Obama administration; states who adopt the standards are eligible for Race to the Top (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/38477453) funds.
Just google this topic, and you will see that it is NOT supported by the majority of folks, it never took off the way it was intended, because of folks in Washington began pushing its agenda into the program.
Cruz is 100% correct with his analysis and YES, wants to be POTUS, and I think he would be a very good one at that.
Bullshit! Those aren't liberal talking points. They're his own fucking words. Can you not read?
Right here ------v
Quote from: Locutus on March 16, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
Federal govt has no business sticking its nose in education. We need to repeal every word of Common Core! #nhpolitics #MakeDCListen
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) March 15, 2015
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 01:05:41 PM
You need to quit reading the talking points by the left.
Sort of ironic coming from someone whose post was plagiarized from a right-wing website. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
Sort of ironic coming from someone whose post was plagiarized from a right-wing website. :rolleyes:
Wrong! I read several websites to get my story RIGHT, before I posted.
Locutus? "Bullshit"! Really? (No need to get all riled up) Let's calmly discuss this. :yes:
You go back and read....He is right, Federal Government has NO BUSINESS sticking its nose in Education. THEN, he went on to say, we need to repeal every work in Common Core. Which is also a true statement, he isn't saying it is a Federal Bill or Law.
Like I said, Google it! There are SEVERAL articles that explain what he is saying.
You are jumping to conclusions. :yes:
. . .The Common Core State Standards Initiative, known as Common Core, was developed by the states — with input from teachers, education experts and business leaders — and has been voluntarily adopted by 43 states and the District Of Columbia. Notably, "the federal government played no role in creating the standards, nor did it require that states adopt them."
Common Core is not a curriculum but a set of standards regarding what students "should know and be able to do at each grade level in math and English language arts." How kids get there is left to the schools and teachers.
Adopting Common Core was helpful to states seeking federal funding in 2009 under a program called "Race To The Top." But many states that did not receive funding continue to implement Common Core.
Common Core has become a highly politicized topic. In 2013, the Republican National Committee passed a resolution opposing Common Core, calling it "an inappropriate overreach to standardize and control the education of our children." The RNC attacked Obama, who was not involved in the creation of the standards, but ignored the role of many Republicans in creating Common Core. Many of the states that adopted Common Core are controlled, in whole or in part, by Republicans. . . .
It is NOT a federal law, nor was it "forced" upon anybody. The only reason Teddy is crapping his pants is because his opponent for the GOP POTUS nomination backed it. . .
If you're going to speak, at least speak the truth!
Ted and myself told no lie.
He merely made a bold statement which happens to be true. Libs are getting bent over it for no reason.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 06:24:43 PM
Ted and myself told no lie.
He merely made a bold statement which happens to be true. Libs are getting bent over it for no reason.
The only ones getting "bent" are the ones getting "bent-over" by this asshat; your children.
This nation continues to slide behind the rest of the globe surrounding the quality and quantity of the education our children are receiving. Idiots like Cruz are attempting to continue the "de-education" of our children in order to fast track the stratification of our class structure and ensure a solid population of sheeple are present to serve the rich. Period.
The real reason(s) for Cruz's little hissy fit are rooted within the fact he wants to slander the reputations of his GOP "brethren" running for the party nomination for president. Purely selfish, purely self-serving. Purely an asshat! :yes:
I 100% disagree with you on every word you said. I want to say though, I am not saying Cruz is my man, but he would be a zillion times better than our current lotus.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 07:23:47 PM
I 100% disagree with you on every word you said. I want to say though, I am not saying Cruz is my man, but he would be a zillion times better than our current lotus.
There's your problem, you focus on the man and NOT what he is standing for.
. .
.How do students in the United States compare to those around the world? According to the latest Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) survey, American students scored in the middle range on the reading, math and science tests taken last year (2012) by 500,000 15-year-olds around the globe. Students in several Asian countries earned the highest scores on the 2012 exams created by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
"They are never perfect but PISA shows what is possible in education," Andreas Schleicher, OEDC's Deputy Director for Education and Skills said on a video explaining the scores. "It helps countries see themselves in the mirror of the educational results and the opportunities that are delivered by the world's educational leaders."
The PISA test is given every three years in more than 60 countries in an effort to measure achievement. Before the OECD developed the test two decades ago, governments were being compared by how much money they spend on education, not how well students performed, Schleicher told the BBC.
The 2012 survey had a special focus on math literacy, and in that subject Shanghai, China (Taipei, Macau and Hong Kong were also among the testing sites in China) scored higher than any other country measured in the testing round. The United States fared slightly below average compared to other participating countries. . . Now you might be okay with such a mediocre showing from the children of this nation, but I am absolutely NOT. The fact is, this kind of performance has been ongoing for quite some time now and does not bode well for the longevity of this nation nor its status within the global economy.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/education-july-dec13-pisaresults_12-02/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/education-july-dec13-pisaresults_12-02/)
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Via: MAT@USC | Master's of Arts in Teaching (http://rossieronline.usc.edu/how-to-become-a-teacher/)
We as a nation spend more per capita on our school aged children than any other nation in the world, and we are obtaining mediocre results from the curriculums being taught. Why? It isn't the teachers fault alone, but rather the wimpy assed approach of the parents who want to see their children "do well" and are willing to sacrifice not only what they are learning, but how they are learning it to achieve that goal. Selfishness that will serve their children very poorly in their formative years.
Common Core recognized this, in part because the men and women doing the teaching cared enough to speak their minds and say what they KNOW needs to be done to correct this.
It isn't a law, but a voluntary curriculum designed to challenge our students so that they are better armed to lead this nation toward success in the future. Yes, some children will struggle with it, and some will fail. But we all aren't natural leaders or students either, and should we sacrifice the future of those that are to patronize those that are not?
Using the education of our children as a lever with which to obtain an advantage over a political opponent is despicable. I do not understand how anyone cannot see that. . .
Check out how the City of Anderson scores vs the world:
Math 30%
Reading 37%
These figures come from a site that you ought to get right behind too: http://globalreportcard.org/map.html# (http://globalreportcard.org/map.html#)
Check it out. Go to your home state and see where your children's schools rank vs the world; then tell me you think Common Core is a bad idea!
I never said he was the man, just that he was a better man than the one we currently have in the white house.
As I believe it was you who stated on another thread, we usually vote for the lesser of two evils. I am hopeful the GOP will produce a decent candidate.
Where did I suggest to you I was focused on the man and not the issues? That is most certainly not true!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
. . .
Where did I suggest to you I was focused on the man and not the issues? That is most certainly not true!
The following clearly suggests you agree with his stated point of view surrounding Common Core; despite its fallacy based suppositions and blatant lies.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 06:24:43 PM
Ted and myself told no lie.
He merely made a bold statement which happens to be true. . . .
He lied. He should resign his position and be exiled by his peers.
Moreover, you agree with that tripe? Given the statistics supplied to you herein you still think his position is the correct one? :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 16, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
The following clearly suggests you agree with his stated point of view surrounding Common Core; despite its fallacy based suppositions and blatant lies.
He lied. He should resign his position and be exiled by his peers.
Moreover, you agree with that tripe? Given the statistics supplied to you herein you still think his position is the correct one? :spooked:
I will defend myself when I am not on my tablet, it takes forever. Again you are wrong, as I will point out to you. The vast majority is not in favor of common core and all for very good reasons.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 09:18:02 PM
I will defend myself when I am not on my tablet, it takes forever. Again you are wrong, as I will point out to you. The vast majority is not in favor of common core and all for very good reasons.
Oh, I look forward to these reasons. Common Core is supported by a ton of educators in this country. The majority of the ones opposed are those Tea-Billy assholes who are opposed to just about everything that doesn't suit their very narrow world view.
Quote from: Locutus on March 16, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
Oh, I look forward to these reasons. Common Core is supported by a ton of educators in this country. The majority of the ones opposed are those Tea-Billy assholes who are opposed to just about everything that doesn't suit their very narrow world view.
You are so biased and nasty. I will have zero problem defending this issue.
With that said I hope you have a great night!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Wrong! I read several websites to get my story RIGHT, before I posted.
And you just happened to word your response exactly the same as those websites (leaving out a passage fools no one)? Isn't lying against one of the primary tenets of the religion in which you profess to believe?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 17, 2015, 08:06:30 AM
And you just happened to word your response exactly the same as those websites (leaving out a passage fools no one)? Isn't lying against one of the primary tenets of the religion in which you profess to believe?
Whatever skippy! I made my point. Regardless of how I posted it. You always divert from the point and then find something else argue about.....
Okay, as someone with kids I can tell you that Common Core is not all its cracked up to be. Kids are not learning the basics to succeed and teachers are just having to teach the test so to speak. I believe in kids learning and all for kids learning old methods new ways because not all kids learn the same way but Common Core is very despised by a lot of teachers!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 17, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Whatever skippy! I made my point.
The only point you proved is that you're a liar...the Ted Cruz thing? Not so much so.
It's always easy to tell when you've plagiarized something. If you post a grammatically correct sentence with multi-syllable words, you didn't write it.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 17, 2015, 01:07:12 PM
Okay, as someone with kids I can tell you that Common Core is not all its cracked up to be. Kids are not learning the basics to succeed and teachers are just having to teach the test so to speak. I believe in kids learning and all for kids learning old methods new ways because not all kids learn the same way but Common Core is very despised by a lot of teachers!
Nothing is going to work as long as they keep lowering test standards and use tools to get the answers rather than make the kids think for themselves. Open book tests and using calculators and such only require the skills to learn how to use those tools not the skill to learn the actual subject at hand. It's sad when you go through a drive-thru at a fast food place and the cashier has to call the manager over because she doesn't know how to count out the change even though she knows how much to give you. I don't imagine she stayed on the register too long after that though. Which brings up another thing. That is worth $15 pr hr???? I think not.
Quote from: me on March 17, 2015, 01:39:32 PM
Nothing is going to work as long as they keep lowering test standards and use tools to get the answers rather than make the kids think for themselves. Open book tests and using calculators and such only require the skills to learn how to use those tools not the skill to learn the actual subject at hand. It's sad when you go through a drive-thru at a fast food place and the cashier has to call the manager over because she doesn't know how to count out the change even though she knows how much to give you. I don't imagine she stayed on the register too long after that though. Which brings up another thing. That is worth $15 pr hr???? I think not.
Read this http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/ (http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/) and try again.
Actually, there is nothing wrong with using some tests as open book tests because open book tests are harder than close books. Calculators are more complicated today than when I first used them in school but I do believe that kids need to know the basics. A lot of them don't but some kids have to learn the basics different ways. What worked as the tried and trued method for some of us does not for some kids. Teachers are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. Not all kids test well! I was one that didn't in Math but on given day, I could either blow the top off of a score or bomb it!
I don't know how it is done in other states and don't profess to know the answers but here kids are tested and hope to make distinguished or proficient. Novice means the kids aren't really grasping the subject!
Quote from: Bo D on March 17, 2015, 01:51:09 PM
Read this http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/ (http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/) and try again.
No where does it define what the "standard" really is in case you didn't notice. It explains how the "standard" works, yes, but it did not say, or give an example of, how much a child should know at what grade or what the "standard" knowledge should be on a given subjece at any grade level and how it compared with the standard of years ago. Lowering the test standards so more students could pass is not the same thing either. Yes, PL the calculators are more compliciate but the math is still the same as it was so why should they need them to help solve a problem?
Quote from: me on March 17, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
No where does it define what the "standard" really is in case you didn't notice. It explains how the "standard" works, yes, but it did not say, or give an example of, how much a child should know at what grade or what the "standard" knowledge should be on a given subjece at any grade level and how it compared with the standard of years ago. Lowering the test standards so more students could pass is not the same thing either. Yes, PL the calculators are more compliciate but the math is still the same as it was so why should they need them to help solve a problem?
Holy cow! Do you know how to navigate a web site?
Right at the top of the page there are two orange boxes to the right - one starts with "English" and the other with "Math." If you dig a little (I know- that's asking too much of you) you will see a concise explanation of all the standards, i.e. one very small sample - http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RI/5/1/ (http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RI/5/1/) "Quote accurately from a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Bo D on March 17, 2015, 05:18:41 PM
Holy cow! Do you know how to navigate a web site?
Right at the top of the page there are two orange boxes to the right - one starts with "English" and the other with "Math." If you dig a little (I know- that's asking too much of you) you will see a concise explanation of all the standards, i.e. one very small sample - http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RI/5/1/ (http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/RI/5/1/) "Quote accurately from a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That's about the dumbest thing I've seen. To take a simple problem and stretch it into a complicated jumble is a waste IMO. To have to go all around Robin Hoods barn to solve a simple problem doesn't even make sense. I had a 6th grade teacher who taught math similar to that but in a much more simple way. He made math interesting and made us want to learn because we had fun with it. We learned the basics plus and had fun while doing it. Now for students like a couple of my grandsons and a nephew something like that would be great because they were totally bored with school until they went to advanced classes because they needed the challenge but that isn't always the case. If you need to figure something quickly you need to know the basics and short cuts not all that gobbel de gook to get there. If you're a diabetic and your sugar shoots up and you go out do you want the person who's going to be injecting to go through all that crap to figure out what doseage of insulin you need according to your count or do you want someone who knows the basics and a short cut to figure out the doseage or someone who has to go through all that crap to figure it? 2 seconds could make a difference between coma and coming to. Build the foundation first then move on to the rest of the building.
Quote from: me on March 17, 2015, 09:26:14 PM
That's about the dumbest thing I've seen. To take a simple problem and stretch it into a complicated jumble is a waste IMO. To have to go all around Robin Hoods barn to solve a simple problem doesn't even make sense. I had a 6th grade teacher who taught math similar to that but in a much more simple way. He made math interesting and made us want to learn because we had fun with it. We learned the basics plus and had fun while doing it. Now for students like a couple of my grandsons and a nephew something like that would be great because they were totally bored with school until they went to advanced classes because they needed the challenge but that isn't always the case. If you need to figure something quickly you need to know the basics and short cuts not all that gobbel de gook to get there. If you're a diabetic and your sugar shoots up and you go out do you want the person who's going to be injecting to go through all that crap to figure out what doseage of insulin you need according to your count or do you want someone who knows the basics and a short cut to figure out the doseage or someone who has to go through all that crap to figure it? 2 seconds could make a difference between coma and coming to. Build the foundation first then move on to the rest of the building.
Just because you learned it that bway doesn't mean that all kid can learn it that way. I see kids every day who struggle to learn the basics and cannot. They have to learn it different ways. Special needs kids cannot learn like regular kids. Some kids have to learn the basics different ways.
Quote from: me on March 17, 2015, 09:26:14 PM
That's about the dumbest thing I've seen. To take a simple problem and stretch it into a complicated jumble is a waste IMO. To have to go all around Robin Hoods barn to solve a simple problem doesn't even make sense. I had a 6th grade teacher who taught math similar to that but in a much more simple way. He made math interesting and made us want to learn because we had fun with it. We learned the basics plus and had fun while doing it. Now for students like a couple of my grandsons and a nephew something like that would be great because they were totally bored with school until they went to advanced classes because they needed the challenge but that isn't always the case. If you need to figure something quickly you need to know the basics and short cuts not all that gobbel de gook to get there. If you're a diabetic and your sugar shoots up and you go out do you want the person who's going to be injecting to go through all that crap to figure out what doseage of insulin you need according to your count or do you want someone who knows the basics and a short cut to figure out the doseage or someone who has to go through all that crap to figure it? 2 seconds could make a difference between coma and coming to. Build the foundation first then move on to the rest of the building.
:haha: :haha: :haha:
I chose that example - "Quote accurately from a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text." - because I knew you would prove that you're not competent at the 5th grade level.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 07:37:10 AM
Just because you learned it that bway doesn't mean that all kid can learn it that way. I see kids every day who struggle to learn the basics and cannot. They have to learn it different ways. Special needs kids cannot learn like regular kids. Some kids have to learn the basics different ways.
I was taught the basics plus short cuts not that crap they're laying on the kids now from what I seen on the example given in BoD's posted link. It was more simple and easy to understand plus, like I mentioned, he made it fun and also took time with the ones who didn't understand. Oh, and there were 32 in my class and he had no teachers helper.
Quote from: Bo D on March 18, 2015, 09:10:46 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
I chose that example - "Quote accurately from a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text." - because I knew you would prove that you're not competent at the 5th grade level.
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CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.1
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.2
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.3
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.4
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.5
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.6
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.7
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.8
Represent and solve problems involving addition and subtraction.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.1
Use addition and subtraction within 20 to solve word problems involving situations of adding to, taking from, putting together, taking apart, and comparing, with unknowns in all positions, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.1
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.2
Solve word problems that call for addition of three whole numbers whose sum is less than or equal to 20, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.
Understand and apply properties of operations and the relationship between addition and subtraction.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.3
Apply properties of operations as strategies to add and subtract.2 Examples: If 8 + 3 = 11 is known, then 3 + 8 = 11 is also known. (Commutative property of addition.) To add 2 + 6 + 4, the second two numbers can be added to make a ten, so 2 + 6 + 4 = 2 + 10 = 12. (Associative property of addition.)
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.4
Understand subtraction as an unknown-addend problem. For example, subtract 10 - 8 by finding the number that makes 10 when added to 8.
Add and subtract within 20.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.5
Relate counting to addition and subtraction (e.g., by counting on 2 to add 2).
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.6
Add and subtract within 20, demonstrating fluency for addition and subtraction within 10. Use strategies such as counting on; making ten (e.g., 8 + 6 = 8 + 2 + 4 = 10 + 4 = 14); decomposing a number leading to a ten (e.g., 13 - 4 = 13 - 3 - 1 = 10 - 1 = 9); using the relationship between addition and subtraction (e.g., knowing that 8 + 4 = 12, one knows 12 - 8 = 4); and creating equivalent but easier or known sums (e.g., adding 6 + 7 by creating the known equivalent 6 + 6 + 1 = 12 + 1 = 13).
Work with addition and subtraction equations.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.7
Understand the meaning of the equal sign, and determine if equations involving addition and subtraction are true or false. For example, which of the following equations are true and which are false? 6 = 6, 7 = 8 - 1, 5 + 2 = 2 + 5, 4 + 1 = 5 + 2.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.8
Determine the unknown whole number in an addition or subtraction equation relating three whole numbers. For example, determine the unknown number that makes the equation true in each of the equations 8 + ? = 11, 5 = _ - 3, 6 + 6 = _.
Quote from: me on March 17, 2015, 09:26:14 PM
That's about the dumbest thing I've seen. To take a simple problem and stretch it into a complicated jumble is a waste IMO. To have to go all around Robin Hoods barn to solve a simple problem doesn't even make sense. I had a 6th grade teacher who taught math similar to that but in a much more simple way. He made math interesting and made us want to learn because we had fun with it. We learned the basics plus and had fun while doing it. Now for students like a couple of my grandsons and a nephew something like that would be great because they were totally bored with school until they went to advanced classes because they needed the challenge but that isn't always the case. If you need to figure something quickly you need to know the basics and short cuts not all that gobbel de gook to get there. If you're a diabetic and your sugar shoots up and you go out do you want the person who's going to be injecting to go through all that crap to figure out what doseage of insulin you need according to your count or do you want someone who knows the basics and a short cut to figure out the doseage or someone who has to go through all that crap to figure it? 2 seconds could make a difference between coma and coming to. Build the foundation first then move on to the rest of the building.
Quote from: Bo D on March 18, 2015, 09:10:46 AM
I chose that example - "Quote accurately from a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text." - because I knew you would prove that you're not competent at the 5th grade level.
LMAO! :biggrin:
(referring to me's math example)
So if you can't do those things you're not even competent at the first grade level. Of course, we suspected that all along.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 18, 2015, 09:54:58 AM
LMAO! :biggrin:
I know, right?
First she complains "
No where does it define what the "standard" really is "
And then she cries because she doesn't meet the standard.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
I was taught the basics plus short cuts not that crap they're laying on the kids now from what I seen on the example given in BoD's posted link. It was more simple and easy to understand plus, like I mentioned, he made it fun and also took time with the ones who didn't understand. Oh, and there were 32 in my class and he had no teachers helper.
Teachers don't always gets aides and they have to accommodate for several different type of kids in a class. Some kids have IEP's and 504's. You seem to think every kid learns the same way and they don't. I am in the class room as a substitute teacher and as an aide. I know kids can't learn the basics the same way and have to learn it different ways. I have taught math using a matrix model and wished I had had that when I was in school. Quit pigeonholing kids and thinking they can all learn the same way.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 11:19:24 AM
Teachers don't always gets aides and they have to accommodate for several different type of kids in a class. Some kids have IEP's and 504's. You seem to think every kid learns the same way and they don't. I am in the class room as a substitute teacher and as an aide. I know kids can't learn the basics the same way and have to learn it different ways. I have taught math using a matrix model and wished I had had that when I was in school. Quit pigeonholing kids and thinking they can all learn the same way.
No, they don't all learn the same which is why that teacher took extra time with the ones who still didn't get it. What I was referring to on the teachers aide part was that he was still able to teach effectively even with a class that large and no help unlike today where they have a screaming fit if the class is that large and need help. What I am saying is why start with all that crap without first teaching the basics and building on a foundation rather than starting with the main structure and no foundation to make the building stronger? They choose the best students to teach the advanced things to in other countries like China they don't just figure everyone is on the same level and expect them all to do it. This one size fits all theory is for the birds.
Quote from: Bo D on March 18, 2015, 10:13:27 AM
I know, right?
First she complains "No where does it define what the "standard" really is "
And then she cries because she doesn't meet the standard.
No where does that "standard" state what it takes to actually make the grade. You aren't understanding where I'm coming from on this at all because you're too caught up in all that flash and glitter to see it.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 11:19:24 AM
Quit pigeonholing kids and thinking they can all learn the same way.
:wave: :ditto:
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 12:02:06 PM
No where does that "standard" state what it takes to actually make the grade. You aren't understanding where I'm coming from on this at all because you're too caught up in all that flash and glitter to see it.
No. I do understand. And you just keep offering further proof of your ignorance with every post you make.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
No, they don't all learn the same which is why that teacher took extra time with the ones who still didn't get it. What I was referring to on the teachers aide part was that he was still able to teach effectively even with a class that large and no help unlike today where they have a screaming fit if the class is that large and need help. What I am saying is why start with all that crap without first teaching the basics and building on a foundation rather than starting with the main structure and no foundation to make the building stronger? They choose the best students to teach the advanced things to in other countries like China they don't just figure everyone is on the same level and expect them all to do it. This one size fits all theory is for the birds.
Obviously, you haven't set foot in a class room because I know a lot of teachers who accommodate for all kids and without the benefit of aides. Again, not all kids learn the basics the same way and you thinking that shows how out of touch you are. There are kids who can't get the basics and your saying they should be able too shows how closeminded you are. I have anywhere from 25-30 kids a class period, have to accommodate for those who don't get it and without an aide. Most of the teachers I sub for don't have aides.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 12:02:06 PM
No where does that "standard" state what it takes to actually make the grade. You aren't understanding where I'm coming from on this at all because you're too caught up in all that flash and glitter to see it.
Every state and district has standards that is used to assess what a kid has and hasn't learned. Oh my God, you really need to ask the teachers about standards and what is taught for a child to move ahead. Most kids have to be proficient to be able to move ahead and show mastery of subject content. I always love it when people seem to think they know how it really works in schools and often haven't the simplest clue of how it works. Those who can teach and work in the education field, those who can't simply stout their ignorance when they know nothing about how schools and standards work.
By the way, last time I checked we are in America and not China or Europe. As much as we need to compete with them; I don't think we are ever going to be able too.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 12:28:35 PM
By the way, last time I checked we are in America and not China or Europe. As much as we need to compete with them; I don't think we are ever going to be able too.
Why?
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
No, they don't all learn the same which is why that teacher took extra time with the ones who still didn't get it. What I was referring to on the teachers aide part was that he was still able to teach effectively even with a class that large and no help unlike today where they have a screaming fit if the class is that large and need help. What I am saying is why start with all that crap without first teaching the basics and building on a foundation rather than starting with the main structure and no foundation to make the building stronger? They choose the best students to teach the advanced things to in other countries like China they don't just figure everyone is on the same level and expect them all to do it. This one size fits all theory is for the birds.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Obviously, you haven't set foot in a class room because I know a lot of teachers who accommodate for all kids and without the benefit of aides. Again, not all kids learn the basics the same way and you thinking that shows how out of touch you are. There are kids who can't get the basics and your saying they should be able too shows how closeminded you are. I have anywhere from 25-30 kids a class period, have to accommodate for those who don't get it and without an aide. Most of the teachers I sub for don't have aides.
I did not say that and if they can't get the basics how are they going to get this new stuff? I said that teacher took extra time with the ones who didn't get it to teach them. I also have relatives and friends who are teachers both in Indiana and some other states and it is getting ridiculous.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 12:28:35 PM
By the way, last time I checked we are in America and not China or Europe. As much as we need to compete with them; I don't think we are ever going to be able too.
No we aren't, it's one size fits all here.
This whole discussion took off when somebody on here slammed Ted Cruz for wanting to get away from Common Core. There are claims that Cruz wants to "de-education" our kids.
Cruz merely stated on a twitter...Federal govt has no business sticking its nose in education. We need to repeal every word of Common Core!
When he is referring to our Federal govt butting out, he is simply stating that he does not want the federal bureaucrats and national organizations setting the standards, when what he wants, like most Americans, want more input from parents, teachers and taxpayers of those States, counties and townships.
Common core forces teachers to teach to the centralized set of standards, it takes away the individual touch by talented teachers to bring out the best in each kid. Common Core is just a mandate by federal bureaucrats. THAT is what most republicans dislike about it.
It is really a simple message, and I don't quite understand why the commotion over Cruz's remarks, other than just not liking him.
I am not plagiarizing, but quoting someone who says it all on how I feel and what I think Cruz feels on this as far as our federal gov being involved.
"Obama Administration has pushed states to adopt national standards and assessments in exchange for offers of billions of dollars in federal funding and waivers from the onerous provisions of No Child Left Behind."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2015, 12:51:44 PM
This whole discussion took off when somebody on here slammed Ted Cruz for wanting to get away from Common Core. There are claims that Cruz wants to "de-education" our kids.
Cruz merely stated on a twitter...Federal govt has no business sticking its nose in education. We need to repeal every word of Common Core!
When he is referring to our Federal govt butting out, he is simply stating that he does not want the federal bureaucrats and national organizations setting the standards, when what he wants, like most Americans, want more input from parents, teachers and taxpayers of those States, counties and townships.
Common core forces teachers to teach to the centralized set of standards, it takes away the individual touch by talented teachers to bring out the best in each kid. Common Core is just a mandate by federal bureaucrats. THAT is what most republicans dislike about it.
It is really a simple message, and I don't quite understand why the commotion over Cruz's remarks, other than just not liking him.
Do you really deep down think that's a good idea? Were you singing this same song with No Child Left Behind?
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2015, 12:34:34 PM
Why?
I am not saying we can't or shouldn't but the fact is that most kids in Asian and European countries are put on tracks for their future. In Europe, most kids already know my elementary school what they will be doing when they graduate.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 12:44:46 PM
No we aren't, it's one size fits all here.
It is not one size fits all here. See that is where you are wrong and all kids learn differently. Even basics are taught differently.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
I am not saying we can't or shouldn't but the fact is that most kids in Asian and European countries are put on tracks for their future. In Europe, most kids already know my elementary school what they will be doing when they graduate.
Plus those governments put a far higher value on education. As long as we have the right-wing anti-education nuts here, we will never compete. The last time we came close to competing was when JFK was president and pushed through drastic changes in education.
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
Do you really deep down think that's a good idea? Were you singing this same song with No Child Left Behind?
Hey, I have stated way back when, I did NOT AGREE with everything George W. Bush stood for. This is one of them. It turned our education system into doing what they can for the money, instead of actually doing what is best for the kids.
YES, I REALLY believe in keeping our lives on the most local level, without Big Government intervention. I think it serves to do what is best for a community. Let every community do what is best for that community. Free Enterprise always has a way of making things work.
That is my sincere opinion.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
I am not plagiarizing, but quoting someone...
Quoting someone is fine.
Quote from: Bo D on March 18, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
Plus those governments put a far higher value on education. As long as we have the right-wing anti-education nuts here, we will never compete. The last time we came close to competing was when JFK was president and pushed through drastic changes in education.
Exactly and it is not a one size fits all world and all kids have to learn differently even if it is the basics.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 16, 2015, 06:18:15 PM
. . .The Common Core State Standards Initiative, known as Common Core, was developed by the states — with input from teachers, education experts and business leaders — and has been voluntarily adopted by 43 states and the District Of Columbia. Notably, "the federal government played no role in creating the standards, nor did it require that states adopt them."
Common Core is not a curriculum but a set of standards regarding what students "should know and be able to do at each grade level in math and English language arts." How kids get there is left to the schools and teachers.
Adopting Common Core was helpful to states seeking federal funding in 2009 under a program called "Race To The Top." But many states that did not receive funding continue to implement Common Core.
Common Core has become a highly politicized topic. In 2013, the Republican National Committee passed a resolution opposing Common Core, calling it "an inappropriate overreach to standardize and control the education of our children." The RNC attacked Obama, who was not involved in the creation of the standards, but ignored the role of many Republicans in creating Common Core. Many of the states that adopted Common Core are controlled, in whole or in part, by Republicans. . . .
It is NOT a federal law, nor was it "forced" upon anybody. The only reason Teddy is crapping his pants is because his opponent for the GOP POTUS nomination backed it. . .
If you're going to speak, at least speak the truth!
Quote from: Bo D on March 18, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
Plus those governments put a far higher value on education. As long as we have the right-wing anti-education nuts here, we will never compete. The last time we came close to competing was when JFK was president and pushed through drastic changes in education.
And that is exactly the thing our nation fails to do; even when it comes to the "basics' as some here are calling them. Simple addition, subtraction, etc., are no longer the "basics in the here and now. The fact is our children's education should continuously improve via the incorporation of current standards, theories, and advancements within all of the "basics". Failure to do so relegates this nation and its future to the "third-world country" status some appear hell-bent for leather to drive it toward.
That failure is exactly what drives communities like Anderson Indiana to achieve 30% scores, not just globally but against other communities nation-wide.
How, exactly, is this nation going to fare within a global economy when the competition is teaching its children the skills necessary to achieve more and positively contribute toward society, on an average basis; and over-delivery of those achievements for those that are capable of doing so?
This isn't something that has just reared its head over the last decade, but rather is the results of decades-long lethargy toward the educational curriculum being taught to our children, and pandering to those who complain over the fact they cannot understand their own children's homework.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
It is not one size fits all here. See that is where you are wrong and all kids learn differently. Even basics are taught differently.
Does this look like basics to you? Some kids will never grasp this without learning the basics first and why make something simple so complicated? Does it make you smarter? No it just takes you longer to solve a simple problem and makes people "think" you're smarter because you can flash a lot of figures on them. Of course it does give one the ability to do fuzzy math on those who never got it. :wink:
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CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.1
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.2
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.3
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.4
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.5
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.6
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.7
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.8
Represent and solve problems involving addition and subtraction.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.1
Use addition and subtraction within 20 to solve word problems involving situations of adding to, taking from, putting together, taking apart, and comparing, with unknowns in all positions, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.1
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.2
Solve word problems that call for addition of three whole numbers whose sum is less than or equal to 20, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.
Understand and apply properties of operations and the relationship between addition and subtraction.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.3
Apply properties of operations as strategies to add and subtract.2 Examples: If 8 + 3 = 11 is known, then 3 + 8 = 11 is also known. (Commutative property of addition.) To add 2 + 6 + 4, the second two numbers can be added to make a ten, so 2 + 6 + 4 = 2 + 10 = 12. (Associative property of addition.)
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.4
Understand subtraction as an unknown-addend problem. For example, subtract 10 - 8 by finding the number that makes 10 when added to 8.
Add and subtract within 20.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.5
Relate counting to addition and subtraction (e.g., by counting on 2 to add 2).
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.6
Add and subtract within 20, demonstrating fluency for addition and subtraction within 10. Use strategies such as counting on; making ten (e.g., 8 + 6 = 8 + 2 + 4 = 10 + 4 = 14); decomposing a number leading to a ten (e.g., 13 - 4 = 13 - 3 - 1 = 10 - 1 = 9); using the relationship between addition and subtraction (e.g., knowing that 8 + 4 = 12, one knows 12 - 8 = 4); and creating equivalent but easier or known sums (e.g., adding 6 + 7 by creating the known equivalent 6 + 6 + 1 = 12 + 1 = 13).
Work with addition and subtraction equations.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.7
Understand the meaning of the equal sign, and determine if equations involving addition and subtraction are true or false. For example, which of the following equations are true and which are false? 6 = 6, 7 = 8 - 1, 5 + 2 = 2 + 5, 4 + 1 = 5 + 2.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.8
Determine the unknown whole number in an addition or subtraction equation relating three whole numbers. For example, determine the unknown number that makes the equation true in each of the equations 8 + ? = 11, 5 = _ - 3, 6 + 6 = _.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
Does this look like basics to you? Some kids will never grasp this without learning the basics first and why make something simple so complicated? Does it make you smarter? No it just takes you longer to solve a simple problem and makes people "think" you're smarter because you can flash a lot of figures on them. Of course it does give one the ability to do fuzzy math on those who never got it. :wink:
You obviously aren't getting what I am saying, there are ways to teach this and the basics in new and different ways.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
You obviously aren't getting what I am saying, there are ways to teach this and the basics in new and different ways.
By the way, most kids grasp the new way a lot better than you think. I have taught multiplication of 2 and 3 digit numbers using a new model and kids grasp it better than you think. It is not fuzzy to kids but is to adults.
It doesn't make anyone smarter if they are learning something a new way. Geez, it is called teaching a new way.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 03:13:36 PM
By the way, most kids grasp the new way a lot better than you think. I have taught multiplication of 2 and 3 digit numbers using a new model and kids grasp it better than you think. It is not fuzzy to kids but is to adults.
"Some" kids yes, not "all" kids. And what I said was it makes it easier to use fuzzy math on those who don't get it not that it was fuzzy to everyone. You know, as in make things look like something they aren't. :wink:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
You obviously aren't getting what I am saying, there are ways to teach this and the basics in new and different ways.
If the example I showed you is the new "basic" explain the reason for it other than the "global economy". If the same answer can be arrived at using a simpler method this new "basic" is being made complicated for no reason other than to make it appear to be making people smarter when in acutallity they're just adding something that isn't needed.
Some people, it would appear, are perfectly happy to make fire using two sticks. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
Some people, it would appear, are perfectly happy to make fire using two sticks. . . :rolleyes:
Well now that really compares. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 03:31:53 PM
Well now that really compares. :rolleyes:
Analogy. Look it up. They had them in the 30's. . .
Quote from: Exterminator on March 18, 2015, 02:12:34 PM
Quoting someone is fine.
And THAT is what I intended to do that last time.....I admit, I didn't prep myself well, but I had no intentions of remotely TRYING to plagiarize anything.
I struggled around where to make this post, but settled on putting it here.
Basics. So some here think modern mathematics, reading, etc. are far too challenging for today's children, and that we should just teach the basics. . .
Lets see how that methodology would have worked out for them surrounding Christianity. (They're Christians too so hang with me for a minute).
What do the following entities from history have in common with Christianity? (You won't have to research it. I'll tell you eventually).
- Horus (3100 B.C.)
- Buddha (563 B.C.)
- Mithra (2000 B.C.)
- Krishna (around 400 B.C.)
- Osiris (around 2500 B.C.)
Can you guess what it is? Do you even care?
If you don't want to guess then read on. If you want to do some research then do so before you read any further. (I gave you the time periods which should help you with the research). Horus was one of the many Egyptian Gods. He had 12 disciples. He was born of a virgin in a cave. His birth was announced by a star, and was attended by three wise men. He was baptized at age thirty by Anup the Baptizer. Horus performed miracles, including rising at least one person from the dead and walking on water. He was crucified, buried in a tomb, and resurrected, just like Jesus.
Buddha's mother, Queen Maha Maya, had a dream that a white elephant with six tusks entered her right side, impregnating her (i.e. immaculate conception). As was tradition in this time, the mother left her husband's kingdom to give birth near her father. She did not make it the entire way, though, and gave birth while traveling. Buddha was born in a garden beneath a tree. In addition to this birth story, Buddha, like Jesus, also performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water, fed 500 men from a single basket of cakes, was transfigured on a mount, and taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. There are also some texts that say he was crucified, spent three days in hell, and was resurrected. That is not what killed him, though, as he died in his old age from what is believed to be food poisoning.
Mithra was an ancient Zoroastrian deity, and along with Horus has some of the most striking similarities to Jesus. Yet another example of virginal birth, Mithra was born to the virgin Anahita on December 25th. He was swaddled and placed in a manger, where he was tended to by shepherds. Like Jesus and Horus, he had 12 companions (which can be interpreted as disciples). He also performed miracles, identified with both the lion and the lamb, sacrificed his life to save the world, was dead for three days before being resurrected, and was known as the messiah, the savior, and "the Way, the Truth and the Light." His religion also had a Eucharistic-style "Lord's supper."
Krishna, a Hindu God, was born after his mother was impregnated by a God. His birth was attended by angels, wise men, and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Like Jesus, when Krishna was born, a tyrant had ordered the slaughter of all newborns. In addition, he was baptized in a river, performed miracles, raised the dead, healed the deaf and blind, used parables to teach charity and love, rose from the dead and ascended to heaven, and it is believe he will someday return to earth to battle the "Prince of Evil."
Osiris was the son of one of the many Egyptian Gods. Like Jesus, Osiris was portrayed as a bearded man, and his myth says that he was killed and the resurrected after three days in hell. Also like Jesus, Osiris performed miracles, had 12 disciples, and taught that people could be born again through baptism in water. In addition, Osiris had many titles, including "Lord of Lords," "King of Kings," and "Good Shepherd."
So. . . had humanity adopted the "stick to the basics" methodology back around 3100BC, you'd all be worshiping Horus instead of Jesus. "What would Horus do?
What would Osiris do?". etc. . . .
Bottom line being that the idea of continuous improvement is what brought us from the trees and caves of this planet, all the way to where we are present day. Continuous Improvement within all things, has always been a driver within civilization, and always will be. Without it we'd still be microbes.
Combine that with evolutionary theory, and you will see that even within that, not all things survive but only those things that incorporate the best aspects move forward. Microbes, reptiles, amphibians, mammals, Homo Erectus, Homo Sapiens. . . And even within the species the continuous improvement moves forward.
Science has proven that although Neanderthal were assumed to be exterminated by Homo Sapiens, the reality is that they were not exterminated inasmuch as they were absorbed by the new species. Interbreeding served to eradicate the lessor of the two species, and improving the stronger of the two by keeping only those genes that improved the species within the genetic make-up of the offspring.
The same exact theory holds true for education, no matter what the discipline. Improve or be absorbed or driven to extinction.
Religion is a scourge upon the species, and one that serves to thin the herd globally; as it has for centuries.
We need to continuously raise the bar within the education of our children, or watch them be driven to extinction by the rest of the planet.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
We need to continuously raise the bar within the education of our children, or watch them be driven to extinction by the rest of the planet.
As normal PH, you have a great way of making analogies, this is as good as you have ever done. Though, I am a Christian, and proud to be one, I am not above listening to logical explanations as you did, even though I may somewhat disagree, but that can be for another day.
With that said, I think at least with my thoughts, that keeping our education system at the grassroots is not a step backwards, but is actually major step forward. I love the idea of letting our teachers, parents, and administration combine their thoughts on how to achieve the best teaching skills to our kids. As you know the needs of some communities differ from others. I realize that some communities such as Anderson, can never get the cooperation as lets say a Carmel community.
It seems to me that we have dummy-ed down some communities to allow some other communities to catch up or have implemented or subsidized ideas, money and resources to accommodate others.
I'm not sure if this is making sense or if I am describing this accurately, but I think developing good teachers, who can use their creativeness to reach kids, and motivate them to the best of their abilities, starts at a local level, NOT at a National level.
???
To me, it is simple and commonsensical.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
Some people, it would appear, are perfectly happy to make fire using two sticks. . . :rolleyes:
It seems so and if we want our kids to achieve and succeed then they are going to have to move in this fast pace world and get it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
As normal PH, you have a great way of making analogies, this is as good as you have ever done. Though, I am a Christian, and proud to be one, I am not above listening to logical explanations as you did, even though I may somewhat disagree, but that can be for another day.
With that said, I think at least with my thoughts, that keeping our education system at the grassroots is not a step backwards, but is actually major step forward. I love the idea of letting our teachers, parents, and administration combine their thoughts on how to achieve the best teaching skills to our kids. As you know the needs of some communities differ from others. I realize that some communities such as Anderson, can never get the cooperation as lets say a Carmel community.
It seems to me that we have dummy-ed down some communities to allow some other communities to catch up or have implemented or subsidized ideas, money and resources to accommodate others.
I'm not sure if this is making sense or if I am describing this accurately, but I think developing good teachers, who can use their creativeness to reach kids, and motivate them to the best of their abilities, starts at a local level, NOT at a National level.
???
To me, it is simple and commonsensical.
If we dummy our kids down than that is what we will have is a bunch of dummies. I believe in raising the bar so our kids can succeed and compete with those kids in other countries.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 04:32:34 PM
If we dummy our kids down than that is what we will have is a bunch of dummies. I believe in raising the bar so our kids can succeed and compete with those kids in other countries.
See, I'm not saying to dummy our kids down. I am saying, we ARE doing that now, by setting National Standards. I am saying lets let our teachers raise the bar. Let them push our kids. Let the standards be set by producing kids that actually can read, write and do math at a level they are ready to go to college when they graduate. I think we agree, except on how to get to that level.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 04:32:34 PM
If we dummy our kids down than that is what we will have is a bunch of dummies. I believe in raising the bar so our kids can succeed and compete with those kids in other countries.
Then raise the bar by giving the basics in the first grade then starting on the more complicated things in second or third. Remember sight reading and how well that worked, it didn't, a bunch of kids ended up not being able to read because they had no idea how to sound out a word they had never seen. Then there is the disipline problem which also needs looked at. You can't have a good learning environment when kids can beat on each other and teachers without consequences. That, however, is a whole other subject.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2015, 04:38:28 PM
See, I'm not saying to dummy our kids down. I am saying, we ARE doing that now, by setting National Standards. I am saying lets let our teachers raise the bar. Let them push our kids. Let the standards be set by producing kids that actually can read, write and do math at a level they are ready to go to college when they graduate. I think we agree, except on how to get to that level.
I agree with what you were saying.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 04:51:43 PM
Then raise the bar by giving the basics in the first grade then starting on the more complicated things in second or third. Remember sight reading and how well that worked, it didn't, a bunch of kids ended up not being able to read because they had no idea how to sound out a word they had never seen. Then there is the disipline problem which also needs looked at. You can't have a good learning environment when kids can beat on each other and teachers without consequences. That, however, is a whole other subject.
I am saying that all kids can't learn the basics. Raise the bar for the teachers to be the best they can be.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
I am saying that all kids can't learn the basics. Raise the bar for the teachers to be the best they can be.
If they can't learn the basics how are they going to learn something even more complicated right out of the shoot even if the teacher's bar is raised? And what is new about all kids not being able to learn the basics it's always been that way. The first thing they should do is find out how a child learns best, auditory, sight, or touch then split them into groups accordingly and teach them the way they learn best. By that I mean assign them into classrooms according to their learning abilities/type. Each teacher should be taught how to teach all three types. This test could be given in kindergarten or even pre-school.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
If they can't learn the basics how are they going to learn something even more complicated right out of the shoot even if the teacher's bar is raised? And what is new about all kids not being able to learn the basics it's always been that way. The first thing they should do is find out how a child learns best, auditory, sight, or touch then split them into groups accordingly and teach them the way they learn best. By that I mean assign them into classrooms according to their learning abilities/type. Each teacher should be taught how to teach all three types. This test could be given in kindergarten or even pre-school.
Because you seem to have a difficulty understanding that you can't pigeonhole all kids and teachers do accommodate to all kids!! Kids who can't learn the basics are often able to accomplish higher learning. How do I know, because I have a son who couldn't grasp the basic in math but can do high Algebra and Geometry!
A teacher has (x) amount of time to teach and cannot take the time to do all this type of testing to see how a child learns best. It would be nice but that is a pipe dream, ask any teacher and they will tell you they don't have time to do that unless a child has a set plan in place. You really need to step foot into a school and see how kids are learning and quit going they need to learn the basics and we wonder why U.S. is behind all the other countries.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
YES, I REALLY believe in keeping our lives on the most local level, without Big Government intervention. I think it serves to do what is best for a community. Let every community do what is best for that community. Free Enterprise always has a way of making things work.
That is my sincere opinion.
How does that make sense Hank? You can't let the local yokels in every county in this country set educational standards like that. Hell! You can't even trust state boards of education to do that. Look at what boards of education in Kansas and Texas have done in trying to introduce questions as to the validity of biological evolution in science textbooks.
If you let states, or even counties, set educational standards based on what the locals want, you're going to have inequity in education in absolutely unimaginable ways. Children in Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, and a few other states, would come out of school with a completely different education than children in states such as Kansas, Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Taken to the extreme local level as you suggest, you would even be looking at different possible educational standards for children born in the same state. How does that even remotely make sense? The answer is that it doesn't.
NO child in this country should receive an inferior education as a mere product of where they were born. I'm unwilling to accept that, and that's why national standards are necessary.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 05:50:55 PM
Because you seem to have a difficulty understanding that you can't pigeonhole all kids and teachers do accommodate to all kids!! Kids who can't learn the basics are often able to accomplish higher learning. How do I know, because I have a son who couldn't grasp the basic in math but can do high Algebra and Geometry!
A teacher has (x) amount of time to teach and cannot take the time to do all this type of testing to see how a child learns best. It would be nice but that is a pipe dream, ask any teacher and they will tell you they don't have time to do that unless a child has a set plan in place. You really need to step foot into a school and see how kids are learning and quit going they need to learn the basics and we wonder why U.S. is behind all the other countries.
You all obviously haven't thought this through very well but instead are all caught up in the flash and glitter of it. Lots of ideas sound good in theory or on paper but don't work out in the real world because in, the long run, they aren't really practical. I think the parents who can send their kids to private schools or home school have the right idea.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 11:42:34 PM
You all obviously haven't thought this through very well but instead are all caught up in the flash and glitter of it. Lots of ideas sound good in theory or on paper but don't work out in the real world because in, the long run, they aren't really practical. I think the parents who can send their kids to private schools or home school have the right idea.
Yes, I have thought it through. What part of I am in the schools daily and have school children did you not understand. I guess you didn't see where my son couldn't get the basics of math but can get higher math. He makes A's in Math and does it in Geometry, Quadritic Algebra and Trig. I am not caught up in flash and glitter but what works with kids to make them achieve! Private schools are a joke and cannot accommodate for kids with learning issues. Homeschooling kids is often raising kids to be antisocial and not able to function in the real world. A lot of private schools and home schools are not accredited so getting into a college if that is what they want doesn't allow them into that and some jobs don't hire without proper accredited work.
The schools I work in have to do common core and the kids achieve it well and do well! The high school has given out $8 million in scholarships this past year and the kids made a 53% rate on AP exams. Kids in grades K-12 made proficient and distinguished in all subjects. You may as well understand that national standards are going to be set to hopefully have us compete with kids abroad!
This will work and obviously, from parents, kids and educators wanted this in order to be able to succeed. In order to move ahead, one often has to let go of the past!
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
What do the following entities from history have in common with Christianity?
Ha! I didn't have to look it up or read your explanation because I already knew! I've often wondered how Christians come to terms with knowing that other religions were telling almost exactly the same story thousands of years before their messiah is supposed to have been here.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 18, 2015, 05:50:55 PM
I have a son who couldn't grasp the basic in math but can do high Algebra and Geometry!
I can personally back that up. To this day, I have a hard time doing simple arithmetic in my head. I can ace any advanced calculus or trig test you can throw at me, but for the life of me I can't give a quick answer when you ask me "What's 231 - 114?"
And - 'me' - it isn't because I wasn't taught the "basics." I can do it with pencil and paper all day long.
Question for you, me ... you keep talking about "basics" - who taught you the basics of writing? I hope you didn't learn it in private school, because you ought to get a refund for the tuition.
Quote from: Bo D on March 19, 2015, 08:59:39 AM
I can personally back that up. To this day, I have a hard time doing simple arithmetic in my head. I can ace any advanced calculus or trig test you can throw at me, but for the life of me I can't give a quick answer when you ask me "What's 231 - 114?"
And - 'me' - it isn't because I wasn't taught the "basics." I can do it with pencil and paper all day long.
Question for you, me ... you keep talking about "basics" - who taught you the basics of writing? I hope you didn't learn it in private school, because you ought to get a refund for the tuition.
My husband went to a private schools and he did okay. I didn't. I got my education from a free public school. We attempted, notice I state attempts to send our son to a private school and because he was AD/HD they asked us to leave because they can't accommodate for him and kids like him.
I personally wouldn't send a dog to some of the private schools that attempt to teach kids. Many of the teachers are not certified to teach and many of the kids are a big fish in a small pond, when they attempt to give college a try, they often fail because they can't succeed at a big college and bomb out.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 09:46:12 AM
I personally wouldn't send a dog to some of the private schools that attempt to teach kids. Many of the teachers are not certified to teach and many of the kids are a big fish in a small pond, when they attempt to give college a try, they often fail because they can't succeed at a big college and bomb out.
Hum, that's news to me. Private schools are more disiplened and are ahead of public schools academically. I haven't heard of any teachers or other students being beaten up in private schools lately either which means students aren't in fear and there is a better learning atmmosphere.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 12:17:03 PM
Hum, that's news to me. Private schools are more disiplened and are ahead of public schools academically. I haven't heard of any teachers or other students being beaten up in private schools lately either which means students aren't in fear and there is a better learning atmmosphere.
Then you haven't been around many private schools. Bullying and substance abuse is just as big a problem in private schools than it is public's but one doesn't hear about it. There is also no accommodating for kids with special needs but you probably didn't realize that. And no that is a myth that private schools are academically ahead of public schools.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
If they can't learn the basics how are they going to learn something even more complicated right out of the shoot even if the teacher's bar is raised? And what is new about all kids not being able to learn the basics it's always been that way. The first thing they should do is find out how a child learns best, auditory, sight, or touch then split them into groups accordingly and teach them the way they learn best. By that I mean assign them into classrooms according to their learning abilities/type. Each teacher should be taught how to teach all three types. This test could be given in kindergarten or even pre-school.
Do you realize just how costly such an endeavor would be to local school systems? Where is that money coming from?
Fact is that without the federal subsidizations that each state / community receives for meeting federal guidelines, most of us would be unable to afford the taxes on the property we own because the educational tax increases necessary to support such a organizational structure would be beyond what any of us could afford. Moreover, the lion's share of communities nation-wide would be bankrupted by it.
There are teachers that incorporate a wide variety of methods in order to accommodate the learning styles of the students they are charged with teaching. It is a tedious endeavor and results in high burn out rates and turnover. Not to mention those "armchair quarterbacking parents" that feel free to prolifically criticize those teachers for their efforts. . .
I know ya'll won't get this but I'm gonna put it here anyway.
Some years ago, there was a Mensa Convention in San Francisco .
Mensa, as you know, is a national organization for people who have an
IQ of 140 or higher.
Several of the Mensa members went out for lunch at a local cafe.
When they sat down, one of them discovered that their salt shaker
contained pepper, and their pepper shaker was full of salt. How
could they swap the contents of the two bottles without spilling any,
and using only the implements at hand? Clearly this was a job
for Mensa minds.
The group debated the problem and presented ideas and finally, came up
with a brilliant solution involving a napkin, a straw, and an empty saucer.
They called the waitress over to dazzle her with their solution.
"Ma'am," they said, "we couldn't help but notice that the pepper
shaker contains salt and the salt shaker had pepper. "
But before they could finish the waitress interrupted them. "Oh, sorry about
that." She leaned over the table, unscrewed the caps of both bottles, and
switched them.
There was dead silence at the Mensa table.
This reminds me of our government: solutions could be so simple, but the
brilliant minds in Washington have to make them so complicated.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
I know ya'll won't get this but I'm gonna put it here anyway.
Wait for it ... next thing she'll come up with is the old "smart people ain't got no common sense."
Quote from: Bo D on March 19, 2015, 01:02:29 PM
Wait for it ... next thing she'll come up with is the old "smart people ain't got no common sense."
At the end of the day, the waitress was still serving
them lunch. :biggrin:
I am still waiting for her to say that private schools do accommodate special needs kids because they don't. They don't have the means or the aides to accommodate special needs kids whether they are AD/HD or mentally and physically challenged.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 02:01:37 PM
I am still waiting for her to say that private schools do accommodate special needs kids because they don't. They don't have the means or the aides to accommodate special needs kids whether they are AD/HD or mentally and physically challenged.
Yeah ... well I'm waiting for her to explain that "private schools are ahead" nonsense. Neither of us will ever get a lucid answer.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 02:01:37 PM
I am still waiting for her to say that private schools do accommodate special needs kids because they don't. They don't have the means or the aides to accommodate special needs kids whether they are AD/HD or mentally and physically challenged.
But there are private schools for kids with special needs.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 02:22:04 PM
But there are private schools for kids with special needs.
No, there isn't. Those so called private schools are called institutions not a private school of learning. Private schools do not accommodate to those with special needs because they don't have too.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 02:27:04 PM
It was a typo. How many times have you noticed me misspelling anything? disipline.....There are you happy? And as for the rest you can just take you're charts and graphs and stuff them since you don't seem to grasp they can be made to look like anything the person doing them desires by omitting certain data.
Graphs and charts that show what learning is is often not made up. That can be caught too easily and schools would get in trouble for that.
By the way, private schools expect parents who have special need kids to pay out of their pocket for an aide. We wouldn't and chose to send our children to public schools where aides are paid by the school district not the parents.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 02:27:04 PM
It was a typo. How many times have you noticed me misspelling anything? disipline.....There are you happy? And as for the rest you can just take you're charts and graphs and stuff them since you don't seem to grasp they can be made to look like anything the person doing them desires by omitting certain data.
Have you ever found a chart or graph that you believe? :biggrin:
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 02:27:04 PM
you can just take you're charts and graphs and stuff them since you don't seem to grasp they can be made to look like anything the person doing them desires by omitting certain data.
And there were no charts and graphs in the quote I posted. Just raw data. But I should have known that someone with less than 5th grade reading skills could understand it.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 02:54:58 PM
Graphs and charts that show what learning is is often not made up. That can be caught too easily and schools would get in trouble for that.
By the way, private schools expect parents who have special need kids to pay out of their pocket for an aide. We wouldn't and chose to send our children to public schools where aides are paid by the school district not the parents.
Aides are paid through the taxes collected by government for the schools which means we all pay for them so the parent who chooses a private school pays, just like those who have no kids, for something they're not getting the benifit of. The schools can't get in trouble if the person doing the chart or graph uses only specific information to make their particular outcome to their benefit by simply omitting data from certain areas or school districts which would make their charts unfavorable.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
Aides are paid through the taxes collected by government for the schools which means we all pay for them so the parent who chooses a private school pays, just like those who have no kids, for something they're not getting the benifit of. The schools can't get in trouble if the person doing the chart or graph uses only specific information to make their particular outcome to their benefit by simply omitting data from certain areas or school districts which would make their charts unfavorable.
Oh my God, yes, a school can get in trouble for having data and graphs inflated. They can get in lots of trouble with their state for inflating graphs and data so most don't do it! Yes, taxes pay for aided but private schools expect parents to pay right out of their pocket along with tuition. I am telling you that most private schools don't have aides because they don't have to accommodate for special need kids! Parents aren't going to pay for an aide along with tuition when they can send to schools where aides are paid by school districts! Most schools have aides to work with special need kids.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 04:31:50 PM
Oh my God, yes, a school can get in trouble for having data and graphs inflated. They can get in lots of trouble with their state for inflating graphs and data so most don't do it! Yes, taxes pay for aided but private schools expect parents to pay right out of their pocket along with tuition. I am telling you that most private schools don't have aides because they don't have to accommodate for special need kids! Parents aren't going to pay for an aide along with tuition when they can send to schools where aides are paid by school districts! Most schools have aides to work with special need kids.
It would not be the schools inflating data graphs it would be the person doing an article picking and choosing the areas they go to to collect the data from the schools to make their graphs for the aticle which would use only the areas which benefit them.
Yes, most have schools with aides for special needs kids but some would still choose to put their kids in private schools and pay for an aide or, depending on the degree of disability, will home school them.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
It would not be the schools inflating data graphs it would be the person doing an article picking and choosing the areas they go to to collect the data from the schools to make their graphs for the aticle which would use only the areas which benefit them.
Yes, most have schools with aides for special needs kids but some would still choose to put their kids in private schools and pay for an aide or, depending on the degree of disability, will home school them.
Where do you think the person who is doing the article gets their data but from schools and if a reporter did inflate graphs and data, I am betting that the reporter could and would be sued. And no most parents are not going to pay for an aide in a private school along with tuition when they are provided by the school district based on funding. Homeschooled kids are often antisocial and cannot function in the real world with people!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 05:54:47 PM
Where do you think the person who is doing the article gets their data but from schools and if a reporter did inflate graphs and data, I am betting that the reporter could and would be sued. And no most parents are not going to pay for an aide in a private school along with tuition when they are provided by the school district based on funding. Homeschooled kids are often antisocial and cannot function in the real world with people!
Picking and choosing which info/areas to include and inflating the actual graphs are two different things.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
Picking and choosing which info/areas to include and inflating the actual graphs are two different things.
No, it isn't. À reporter who would pick and choose information is the same as inflating facts. A reporter can be sued for that!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 19, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
No, it isn't. À reporter who would pick and choose information is the same as inflating facts. A reporter can be sued for that!
You really don't get it do you?
Quote from: me on March 19, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
Picking and choosing which info/areas to include and inflating the actual graphs are two different things.
If you could read, you would see that the study ...
1. Wasn't done by "reporters." It was published by a "team of education professors at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign."
2. The scope of the study wasn't restricted to any one area. It was nationwide.
3. It was backed up by another independent study.
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2015, 09:16:53 AM
If you could read, you would see that the study ...
1. Wasn't done by "reporters." It was published by a "team of education professors at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign."
2. The scope of the study was restricted to any one area. It was nationwide.
3. It was backed up by another independent study.
She doesn't get that if someone is picking and choosing what to put in an article than they must be trying to inflate figures and that can get any school in trouble with their state education department.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 20, 2015, 09:20:53 AM
She doesn't get that if someone is picking and choosing what to put in an article than they must be trying to inflate figures and that can get any school in trouble with their state education department.
Anyone can use any info they choose to make a point there are no info police to tell anyone which place to get their information as long as the information they use as examples is correct. Got it now?
One only has to read this thread to understand ....
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
― Benjamin Franklin
Quote from: me on March 20, 2015, 11:07:31 AM
Anyone can use any info they choose to make a point there are no info police to tell anyone which place to get their information as long as the information they use as examples is correct. Got it now?
I get that you don't have a clue. No education department is going to give out misinformation and make themselves look like fools.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2015, 04:35:23 PM
You use a crutch to help you spell things and you're gonna diss me over one word in many? What would your spelling be like if you didn't use your spell check? I use no spell check, in other words I have to think about what I'm doing and not rely on something or someone to do it for me.
Now as far as being accurate charts, yes they are accurate and yes the information in them is accurate but they can still use only the charts from places that benefit their particular agenda because they aren't giving false information for certain areas they just aren't giving the entire picture. If you can't do your own thinking to spell a word no wonder you can't grasp what I'm saying.
You know ... through all of this you haven't offered any support for your side of the argument on the data. What is your source?
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2015, 04:45:15 PM
You know ... through all of this you haven't offered any support for your side of the argument on the data. What is your source?
Her so-called source were some people that she knew as teachers but I am in the schools almost daily and I know the teachers, kids and others who work in schools love Common Core. They love the way the kids are learning new ways!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 20, 2015, 05:56:07 PM
Her so-called source were some people that she knew as teachers but I am in the schools almost daily and I know the teachers, kids and others who work in schools love Common Core. They love the way the kids are learning new ways!
My "so-called" source is just as credible as your "so-called" sources. Did you talk to every student and teacher in every school, or even in that school, to get your data or just the ones you come into contact with?
I have a question. How is it every time something is being discussed you either have done it or been involved with it somehow? How old are you anyway? All I can say is if you've done everything you say you have you've either lead a mighty busy life or you're pretty darn old.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2015, 06:20:26 PM
My "so-called" source is just as credible as your "so-called" sources. Did you talk to every student and teacher in every school, or even in that school, to get your data or just the ones you come into contact with?
I have a question. How is it every time something is being discussed you either have done it or been involved with it somehow? How old are you anyway? All I can say is if you've done everything you say you have you've either lead a mighty busy life or you're pretty darn old.
Yes, I talked with every teacher and attended every board meeting about Common Core in our district and have talked with several teacher friends throughout the different states who are for Common Core to help our kids achieve and compete!! I am 51 and have had a busy life with 2 kids plus subbing in the schools after retiring as Juvenile worker for the state. Does it piss you off that some of us can work 20+ years and retire early!
It has also been explained that common core is widely accepted by teachers who welcome it! Teachers are all for it since they are the ones who asked to have it implemented. If teachers hadn't been for it, they would have been vocal in denying it. My father taught school for 30 years and said that he wishes it had been in place when he taught! Now, he is 80+ and if he can get behind something that he is not familiar with than others should! In some instances, it is teaching kids a new method of doing something!
My father taught when teachers didn't really have to become certified and he was all for teachers being tested to be certified. All states have that to hopefully have good quality teachers working with our kids.
Common core is here. I imagine I am the only one with school kids, maybe not and I am glad to see this and that kids will be achieving to succeed.
Quote from: Locutus on March 16, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
Oh, I look forward to these reasons. Common Core is supported by a ton of educators in this country. The majority of the ones opposed are those Tea-Billy assholes who are opposed to just about everything that doesn't suit their very narrow world view.
'Common Core' is a start to real education reform, but still won't get the job done.
Education is too focused on age and moving students along with their age group instead of actual learning and comprehension and moving students along by their accomplishments.
Forget age and focus on learning will make the biggest difference in anything that can be done.
Another is - and I know this appears to be discrimination and of course no parents want to look at their children this way, but fact is not every child is smart - that technical education should be a focus for those who aren't higher education material.
America has to face fact that the country's average IQ is sub 100 and if America doesn't do something to provide training and work opportunities for that large segment of the population there are greater social problems coming for the future.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
YES, I REALLY believe in keeping our lives on the most local level, without Big Government intervention. I think it serves to do what is best for a community. Let every community do what is best for that community. Free Enterprise always has a way of making things work.
That is my sincere opinion.
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
How does that make sense Hank? You can't let the local yokels in every county in this country set educational standards like that. Hell! You can't even trust state boards of education to do that. Look at what boards of education in Kansas and Texas have done in trying to introduce questions as to the validity of biological evolution in science textbooks.
If you let states, or even counties, set educational standards based on what the locals want, you're going to have inequity in education in absolutely unimaginable ways. Children in Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, and a few other states, would come out of school with a completely different education than children in states such as Kansas, Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Taken to the extreme local level as you suggest, you would even be looking at different possible educational standards for children born in the same state. How does that even remotely make sense? The answer is that it doesn't.
NO child in this country should receive an inferior education as a mere product of where they were born. I'm unwilling to accept that, and that's why national standards are necessary.
It doesn't make sense - and that's not to mention that this country actually fought a war over, and enshrined a Constitutional Amendment about, 'State's Rights'.
Hank may be likable, but when it comes to issues like this, he's a dip being led around by the nose by his RW Toilet Paper Party idols.
Education standards have to be national and not local as you've pointed out, and can't be designed/implemented to serve the anti-science/religious/RW idjits. It's the only logical answer.
Listen to what this highly educated mother has to say about common core math.
https://www.youtube.com/v/nlOlniDHSEc
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 01:37:18 AM
Listen to what this highly educated mother has to say about common core math.
Highly educated because she claims to have 12 years of college? Most people finish undergraduate degrees in 4 and graduate degrees in an additional 2-4; what took her 12?
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 01:37:18 AM
Listen to what this highly educated mother has to say about common core math.
https://www.youtube.com/v/nlOlniDHSEc
She is no more highly educated than anyone else. I got my college degree in 4 years, I have friends who have gotten the degrees they have in 4 years, Master's in 2 and some have Ph. D's which took them 2-3 years.
I use to hate common core but then I watched some teacher friends explain that all it is doing is teaching kids, Math a different way as not all kids learn the same way. After seeing that, I had to agree and after all Arkansas is in the bottom of the top 50 states with education level being ranked at number 45!
Common core is no different than years ago when some of us were in school and there was going to be a new way of learning Math!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 07, 2015, 08:51:00 AM
She is no more highly educated than anyone else. I got my college degree in 4 years, I have friends who have gotten the degrees they have in 4 years, Master's in 2 and some have Ph. D's which took them 2-3 years.
I use to hate common core but then I watched some teacher friends explain that all it is doing is teaching kids, Math a different way as not all kids learn the same way. After seeing that, I had to agree and after all Arkansas is in the bottom of the top 50 states with education level being ranked at number 45!
Common core is no different than years ago when some of us were in school and there was going to be a new way of learning Math!
You didn't really listen to her did you, closely I mean? That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 10:10:35 AM
You didn't really listen to her did you, closely I mean?
I did and couldn't help but notice that she said, "can you see my voice trembling?" Wouldn't that be, "hear"?
QuoteThat "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?
Uh, that new way of learning math is what she used as the example of how it should be taught.
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 10:10:35 AM
You didn't really listen to her did you, closely I mean? That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?
Yes,the new way did take and that is how many people learned. The common core is how my kids are learning and guess what they are making A's and B's in Math! Yes , I listened to her and she didn't say much of anything. For all those people she claims doesn't like common core, I am betting someone can show her people that do! Maybe she doesn't get it because it took her 12 years to get a degree!
By the way, maybe not at her kid's school but my kid's learn Math the traditional way and 2-3 ways of doing the same problem with Common Core so for her to say the traditional way is not being taught may not be true. My daughter knows her multiplication tables and how to multiply 3 different ways to get an answer from a problem!
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 10:10:35 AM
That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?
It works better than your way - counting on your fingers. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 07, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
By the way, maybe not at her kid's school but my kid's learn Math the traditional way and 2-3 ways of doing the same problem with Common Core so for her to say the traditional way is not being taught may not be true. My daughter knows her multiplication tables and how to multiply 3 different ways to get an answer from a problem!
Well hooray for your daughter. She is talking about her daughter's school and any other school which may be doing it the same way. She also mentioned some of, if not all, the states which had quit teaching common core either all together or partly.
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
Well hooray for your daughter. She is talking about her daughter's school and any other school which may be doing it the same way. She also mentioned some of, if not all, the states which had quit teaching common core either all together or partly.
No, she didn't mention any states! Did you watch the video? Like I said, Arkansas is 45th. in education out of 50 states. She needs to get with the times and learn that Common Core isn't going anywhere! She can bitch and complain all she wants but it is here and she can be like others, if not happy than homeschool her kid and see if they can keep up when the time comes! Like I posted almost all schools do it traditional way and Common Core way. Arkansas is no different! One of my college friends is a teacher in Arkansas and she said they have been doing Common Core and the traditional meyhod at the school she teaches at! Her daughter would rather do it the Common Core way and can get the answer faster!
Quote from: Bo D on October 07, 2015, 01:02:01 PM
It works better than your way - counting on your fingers. :rolleyes:
Hahahaha!!! I have learned the Common Core way to be able to work with my kids! I have to say had this been around when I was in school, I would have been a better Math student. Like I have posted before, my father was a Math teacher for 30 years and he is 87 years old, he is all about kids learning how to do Math different ways! He wishes I had learned Math this way as he always said I had a glitch when it comes to Math!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 07, 2015, 01:31:32 PM
Hahahaha!!! I have learned the Common Core way to be able to work with my kids! I have to say had this been around when I was in school, I would have been a better Math student. Like I have posted before, my father was a Math teacher for 30 years and he is 87 years old, he is all about kids learning how to do Math different ways! He wishes I had learned Math this way as he always said I had a glitch when it comes to Math!
Well bully for you I'm so glad you always have time to do things the hard way. I'm surprised you aren't in the Guinness Book Of Records for most knowledgable person around with all your many achievements and your great knowledge of every subject that is discussed on this forum. Not too many people can make claim to knowing as much as you seem to about everything. I'll bet your secret is staying in Holiday Inns almost every night.
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 02:10:28 PM
Well bully for you I'm so glad you always have time to do things the hard way. I'm surprised you aren't in the Guinness Book Of Records for most knowledgable person around with all your many achievements and your great knowledge of every subject that is discussed on this forum. Not too many people can make claim to knowing as much as you seem to about everything. I'll bet your secret is staying in Holiday Inns almost every night.
Nope, I don't know a lot about a lot things but when you're a parent you choose to keep up! I don't stay in Holiday Inn unless on vacation but then it sounds like you know all about that. Tell me, do you enjoy being a bitch because some of us choose to try and help our kids out and know how to help them when they have homework or do you just like being stupid? I choose with you being uninformed and stupid! Maybe the reason I have time to do things is because I am retired and can do those things! What is your excuse?
I don't have knowledge of every subject on here but if I do then I choose to comment! There are tons of times I will read and never comment because I don't know about the subject or knowledgeable on a subject! I do read up on subjects but that doesn't make me knowledgeable in that area! Now continue being unintelligent about Common Core!
Most parents will do anything to help their kids achieve in subjects and that means learn how things are being done in schools! If I want my kids to excel in subjects then I am going to do that! Try and keep up with what and how kids are learning these days and also keep up with technology and apps that kids are using! If you don't keep up with what is going on with kids, or grandkids than you are going to be sorely left behind in more ways than onel
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
She is talking about her daughter's school and any other school which may be doing it the same way.
She home-schools her daughter. :rolleyes:
"I think that the Common Core is a solid set of well written high expectations for students in the classroom. Is it perfect? No, probably not. No set of standards will be," [Debbie] Bruick-Jones [Assistant Commissioner for the Arkansas Department of Education] said."They may have fewer problems, but within those problems they are multi-step, students have to show how they are working and thinking about that problem. They have to explain their process.
It's really attempting to get at more critical thinking."
Dr. Laura Bednar, Pulaski County School District Deputy Superintendent, agrees.
"A student may be asked to cite the author's purpose of a specific text, and in the past he or she would do just that - cite the author's purpose. Perhaps now it might go a little deeper and say
support your answer with supporting details," Bednar said.
Karen Lamoreaux use to be a Pulaski County Special School District parent. Lamoreaux told Channel 7 it is because of Common Core that she began to homeschool her child
http://www.katv.com/story/28123130/common-core-separating-facts-from-myths (http://www.katv.com/story/28123130/common-core-separating-facts-from-myths)
Quote from: Bo D on October 07, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
She home-schools her daughter. :rolleyes:
"I think that the Common Core is a solid set of well written high expectations for students in the classroom. Is it perfect? No, probably not. No set of standards will be,” [Debbie] Bruick-Jones [Assistant Commissioner for the Arkansas Department of Education] said.”They may have fewer problems, but within those problems they are multi-step, students have to show how they are working and thinking about that problem. They have to explain their process. It's really attempting to get at more critical thinking.”
Dr. Laura Bednar, Pulaski County School District Deputy Superintendent, agrees.
“A student may be asked to cite the author's purpose of a specific text, and in the past he or she would do just that - cite the author's purpose. Perhaps now it might go a little deeper and say support your answer with supporting details,” Bednar said.
Karen Lamoreaux use to be a Pulaski County Special School District parent. Lamoreaux told Channel 7 it is because of Common Core that she began to homeschool her child
http://www.katv.com/story/28123130/common-core-separating-facts-from-myths (http://www.katv.com/story/28123130/common-core-separating-facts-from-myths)
Seeing as how she homeschools her kid, she has no right to talk about how things are being done in the public or private education field! It will be interesting to see if her child can pass an ACT or SAT!
Quote from: Bo D on October 07, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
It's really attempting to get at more critical thinking.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. School is less about teaching facts and figures than it is about teaching a way of thinking that allows students to work through problems.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2015, 02:40:18 PM
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. School is less about teaching facts and figures than it is about teaching a way of thinking that allows students to work through problems.
Agreed!!!
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2015, 02:40:18 PM
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. School is less about teaching facts and figures than it is about teaching a way of thinking that allows students to work through problems.
At least it should be......That is what I told my kids, that Math is more about your ability to figure something out than anything else.
Quote from: Bo D on October 07, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
She home-schools her daughter. :rolleyes:
"I think that the Common Core is a solid set of well written high expectations for students in the classroom. Is it perfect? No, probably not. No set of standards will be," [Debbie] Bruick-Jones [Assistant Commissioner for the Arkansas Department of Education] said."They may have fewer problems, but within those problems they are multi-step, students have to show how they are working and thinking about that problem. They have to explain their process. It's really attempting to get at more critical thinking."
Dr. Laura Bednar, Pulaski County School District Deputy Superintendent, agrees.
"A student may be asked to cite the author's purpose of a specific text, and in the past he or she would do just that - cite the author's purpose. Perhaps now it might go a little deeper and say support your answer with supporting details," Bednar said.
Karen Lamoreaux use to be a Pulaski County Special School District parent. Lamoreaux told Channel 7 it is because of Common Core that she began to homeschool her child
http://www.katv.com/story/28123130/common-core-separating-facts-from-myths (http://www.katv.com/story/28123130/common-core-separating-facts-from-myths)
That was her daughter's homework from school she was using as an example. If the daughter had arrived at the same conclusion only using two steps it would have been marked wrong by her teacher. Why? A person still has to figure out the answer. To me it is more about telling a child "what" to think rather than "howto think for themselves". That deal about if you do it your way your wrong because it has to be done our way is one example. She could just as easily have showed how she arrived at her conclusion using a shorter method. I was taught an alternative method which required an extra step or two but it was a shortcut and made sense unlike this gibberish.
Quote from: me on October 07, 2015, 04:05:58 PM
That was her daughter's homework from school she was using as an example. If the daughter had arrived at the same conclusion only using two steps it would have been marked wrong by her teacher. Why? A person still has to figure out the answer. To me it is more about telling a child "what" to think rather than "howto think for themselves". That deal about if you do it your way your wrong because it has to be done our way is one example. She could just as easily have showed how she arrived at her conclusion using a shorter method. I was taught an alternative method which required an extra step or two but it was a shortcut and made sense unlike this gibberish.
That was the new way back when you were taught! All they are wanting kids to do is show how they get the answers and not shortcut it! It is like showing formulas in Algebra and there are no shortcuts in Algebra!
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2015, 02:40:18 PM
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. School is less about teaching facts and figures than it is about teaching a way of thinking that allows students to work through problems.
Bingo! Bingo! Bingo!