Common Core

[Bo D]

You use a crutch to help you spell things and you're gonna diss me over one word in many? What would your spelling be like if you didn't use your spell check? I use no spell check, in other words I have to think about what I'm doing and not rely on something or someone to do it for me.

Now as far as being accurate charts, yes they are accurate and yes the information in them is accurate but they can still use only the charts from places that benefit their particular agenda because they aren't giving false information for certain areas they just aren't giving the entire picture. If you can't do your own thinking to spell a word no wonder you can't grasp what I'm saying.

You know ... through all of this you haven't offered any support for your side of the argument on the data. What is your source?

[Purplelady1040]

You know ... through all of this you haven't offered any support for your side of the argument on the data. What is your source?

Her so-called source were some people that she knew as teachers but I am in the schools almost daily and I know the teachers, kids and others who work in schools love Common Core. They love the way the kids are learning new ways!

[me]

Her so-called source were some people that she knew as teachers but I am in the schools almost daily and I know the teachers, kids and others who work in schools love Common Core. They love the way the kids are learning new ways!

My "so-called" source is just as credible as your "so-called" sources. Did you talk to every student and teacher in every school, or even in that school, to get your data or just the ones you come into contact with?

I have a question. How is it every time something is being discussed you either have done it or been involved with it somehow? How old are you anyway? All I can say is if you've done everything you say you have you've either lead a mighty busy life or you're pretty darn old.

[Purplelady1040]

My "so-called" source is just as credible as your "so-called" sources. Did you talk to every student and teacher in every school, or even in that school, to get your data or just the ones you come into contact with?

I have a question. How is it every time something is being discussed you either have done it or been involved with it somehow? How old are you anyway? All I can say is if you've done everything you say you have you've either lead a mighty busy life or you're pretty darn old.

Yes, I talked with every teacher and attended every board meeting about Common Core in our district and have talked with several teacher friends throughout the different states who are for Common Core to help our kids achieve and compete!! I am 51 and have had a busy life with 2 kids plus subbing in the schools after retiring as Juvenile worker for the state. Does it piss you off that some of us can work 20+ years and retire early!

[Purplelady1040]

It has also been explained that common core is widely accepted by teachers who welcome it! Teachers are all for it since they are the ones who asked to have it implemented. If teachers hadn't been for it, they would have been vocal in denying it. My father taught school for 30 years and said that he wishes it had been in place when he taught! Now, he is 80+ and if he can get behind something that he is not familiar with than others should! In some instances, it is teaching kids a new method of doing something!
My father taught when teachers didn't really have to become certified and he was all for teachers being tested to be certified. All states have that to hopefully  have good quality teachers working with our kids.
Common core is here. I imagine I am the only one with school kids, maybe not and I am glad to see this and that kids will be achieving to succeed.

[Y]

Oh, I look forward to these reasons.  Common Core is supported by a ton of educators in this country.  The majority of the ones opposed are those Tea-Billy assholes who are opposed to just about everything that doesn't suit their very narrow world view.

'Common Core' is a start to real education reform, but still won't get the job done.

Education is too focused on age and moving students along with their age group instead of actual learning and comprehension and moving students along by their accomplishments.

Forget age and focus on learning will make the biggest difference in anything that can be done.

Another is - and I know this appears to be discrimination and of course no parents want to look at their children this way, but fact is not every child is smart - that technical education should be a focus for those who aren't higher education material.

America has to face fact that the country's average IQ is sub 100 and if America doesn't do something to provide training and work opportunities for that large segment of the population there are greater social problems coming for the future.

[Y]

YES, I REALLY believe in keeping our lives on the most local level, without Big Government intervention.  I think it serves to do what is best for a community.  Let every community do what is best for that community.  Free Enterprise always has a way of making things work.

That is my sincere opinion.

How does that make sense Hank?  You can't let the local yokels in every county in this country set educational standards like that.  Hell!  You can't even trust state boards of education to do that.  Look at what boards of education in Kansas and Texas have done in trying to introduce questions as to the validity of biological evolution in science textbooks. 

If you let states, or even counties, set educational standards based on what the locals want, you're going to have inequity in education in absolutely unimaginable ways.  Children in Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, and a few other states, would come out of school with a completely different education than children in states such as Kansas, Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi.  Taken to the extreme local level as you suggest, you would even be looking at different possible educational standards for children born in the same state. How does that even remotely make sense?  The answer is that it doesn't.

NO child in this country should receive an inferior education as a mere product of where they were born.  I'm unwilling to accept that, and that's why national standards are necessary.

It doesn't make sense - and that's not to mention that this country actually fought a war over, and enshrined a Constitutional Amendment about, 'State's Rights'.

Hank may be likable, but when it comes to issues like this, he's a dip being led around by the nose by his RW Toilet Paper Party idols.

Education standards have to be national and not local as you've pointed out, and can't be designed/implemented to serve the anti-science/religious/RW idjits.  It's the only logical answer.

[me]

Listen to what this highly educated mother has to say about common core math.


https://www.youtube.com/v/nlOlniDHSEc

[Exterminator]

Listen to what this highly educated mother has to say about common core math.

Highly educated because she claims to have 12 years of college?  Most people finish undergraduate degrees in 4 and graduate degrees in an additional 2-4; what took her 12?

[Purplelady1040]

Listen to what this highly educated mother has to say about common core math.


https://www.youtube.com/v/nlOlniDHSEc

She is no more highly educated than anyone else. I got my college degree in 4 years, I have friends who have gotten the degrees they have in 4 years, Master's in 2 and some have Ph. D's which took them 2-3 years.
I use to hate common core but then I watched some teacher friends explain that all it is doing is teaching kids, Math a different way as not all kids learn the same way. After seeing that, I had to agree and after all Arkansas is in the bottom of the top 50 states with education level being ranked at number 45!
Common core is no different than years ago when some of us were in school and there was going to be a new way of learning Math!

[me]

She is no more highly educated than anyone else. I got my college degree in 4 years, I have friends who have gotten the degrees they have in 4 years, Master's in 2 and some have Ph. D's which took them 2-3 years.
I use to hate common core but then I watched some teacher friends explain that all it is doing is teaching kids, Math a different way as not all kids learn the same way. After seeing that, I had to agree and after all Arkansas is in the bottom of the top 50 states with education level being ranked at number 45!
Common core is no different than years ago when some of us were in school and there was going to be a new way of learning Math!

You didn't really listen to her did you, closely I mean? That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?

[Exterminator]

You didn't really listen to her did you, closely I mean?

I did and couldn't help but notice that she said, "can you see my voice trembling?"  Wouldn't that be, "hear"?

That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?

Uh, that new way of learning math is what she used as the example of how it should be taught.

[Purplelady1040]

You didn't really listen to her did you, closely I mean? That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?

Yes,the new way did take and that is how many people learned. The common core is how my kids are learning and guess what they are making A's and B's in Math!  Yes , I listened to her and she didn't say much of anything. For all those people she claims doesn't like common core, I am betting someone can show her people that do! Maybe she doesn't get it because it took her 12 years to get a degree!

[Purplelady1040]

By the way, maybe not at her kid's school but my kid's learn Math the traditional way and 2-3 ways of doing the same problem with Common Core so for her to say the traditional way is not being taught may not be true. My daughter knows her multiplication tables and how to multiply 3 different ways to get an answer from a problem!

[Bo D]

That "new way" of learning math years ago didn't take either did it?

It works better than your way - counting on your fingers.