Common Core

[Henry Hawk]

I am not plagiarizing, but quoting someone who says it all on how I feel and what I think Cruz feels on this as far as our federal gov being involved.

"Obama Administration has pushed states to adopt national standards and assessments in exchange for offers of billions of dollars in federal funding and waivers from the onerous provisions of No Child Left Behind."

[Locutus]

This whole discussion took off when somebody on here slammed Ted Cruz for wanting to get away from Common Core.  There are claims that Cruz wants to "de-education" our kids.

Cruz merely stated on a twitter...Federal govt has no business sticking its nose in education. We need to repeal every word of Common Core!

When he is referring to our Federal govt butting out, he is simply stating that he does not want the federal bureaucrats and national organizations setting the standards, when what he wants, like most Americans, want more input from parents, teachers and taxpayers of those States, counties and townships. 

Common core forces teachers to teach to the centralized set of standards, it takes away the individual touch by talented teachers to bring out the best in each kid. Common Core is just a mandate by federal bureaucrats. THAT is what most republicans dislike about it.

It is really a simple message, and I don't quite understand why the commotion over Cruz's remarks, other than just not liking him.

Do you really deep down think that's a good idea?   Were you singing this same song with No Child Left Behind?

[Purplelady1040]

Why?

I am not saying we can't or shouldn't but the fact is that most kids in Asian and European countries are put on tracks for their future. In Europe, most kids already know my elementary school what they will be doing when they graduate.

[Purplelady1040]

No we aren't, it's one size fits all here.

It is not one size fits all here. See that is where you are wrong and all kids learn differently. Even basics are taught differently.

[Bo D]

I am not saying we can't or shouldn't but the fact is that most kids in Asian and European countries are put on tracks for their future. In Europe, most kids already know my elementary school what they will be doing when they graduate.

Plus those governments put a far higher value on education. As long as we have the right-wing anti-education nuts here, we will never compete. The last time we came close to competing was when JFK was president and pushed through drastic changes in education.

[Henry Hawk]

Do you really deep down think that's a good idea?   Were you singing this same song with No Child Left Behind?

Hey, I have stated way back when, I did NOT AGREE with everything George W. Bush stood for.  This is one of them.  It turned our education system into doing what they can for the money, instead of actually doing what is best for the kids.

YES, I REALLY believe in keeping our lives on the most local level, without Big Government intervention.  I think it serves to do what is best for a community.  Let every community do what is best for that community.  Free Enterprise always has a way of making things work.

That is my sincere opinion.

[Exterminator]

I am not plagiarizing, but quoting someone...

Quoting someone is fine.

[Purplelady1040]

Plus those governments put a far higher value on education. As long as we have the right-wing anti-education nuts here, we will never compete. The last time we came close to competing was when JFK was president and pushed through drastic changes in education.

Exactly and it is not a one size fits all world and all kids have to learn differently even if it is the basics.

[Palehorse]

. . .The Common Core State Standards Initiative, known as Common Core, was developed by the states — with input from teachers, education experts and business leaders — and has been voluntarily adopted by 43 states and the District Of Columbia. Notably, "the federal government played no role in creating the standards, nor did it require that states adopt them."
Common Core is not a curriculum but a set of standards regarding what students "should know and be able to do at each grade level in math and English language arts." How kids get there is left to the schools and teachers.
Adopting Common Core was helpful to states seeking federal funding in 2009 under a program called "Race To The Top." But many states that did not receive funding continue to implement Common Core.
Common Core has become a highly politicized topic. In 2013, the Republican National Committee passed a resolution opposing Common Core, calling it "an inappropriate overreach to standardize and control the education of our children." The RNC attacked Obama, who was not involved in the creation of the standards, but ignored the role of many Republicans in creating Common Core. Many of the states that adopted Common Core are controlled, in whole or in part, by Republicans. . . .

It is NOT a federal law, nor was it "forced" upon anybody. The only reason Teddy is crapping his pants is because his opponent for the GOP POTUS nomination backed it. . .

If you're going to speak, at least speak the truth!

Plus those governments put a far higher value on education. As long as we have the right-wing anti-education nuts here, we will never compete. The last time we came close to competing was when JFK was president and pushed through drastic changes in education.

And that is exactly the thing our nation fails to do; even when it comes to the "basics' as some here are calling them. Simple addition, subtraction, etc., are no longer the "basics in the here and now. The fact is our children's education should continuously improve via the incorporation of current standards, theories, and advancements within all of the "basics". Failure to do so relegates this nation and its future to the "third-world country" status some appear hell-bent for leather to drive it toward.

That failure is exactly what drives communities like Anderson Indiana to achieve 30% scores, not just globally but against other communities nation-wide.

How, exactly, is this nation going to fare within a global economy when the competition is teaching its children the skills necessary to achieve more and positively contribute toward society, on an average basis; and over-delivery of those achievements for those that are capable of doing so?

This isn't something that has just reared its head over the last decade, but rather is the results of decades-long lethargy toward the educational curriculum being taught to our children, and pandering to those who complain over the fact they cannot understand their own children's homework.

[me]

It is not one size fits all here. See that is where you are wrong and all kids learn differently. Even basics are taught differently.

Does this look like basics to you? Some kids will never grasp this without learning the basics first and why make something simple so complicated? Does it make you smarter? No it just takes you longer to solve a simple problem and makes people "think" you're smarter because you can flash a lot of figures on them. Of course it does give one the ability to do fuzzy math on those who never got it. 

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CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.1
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.2
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.3
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.4
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.5
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.6
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.7
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.8
Represent and solve problems involving addition and subtraction.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.1
Use addition and subtraction within 20 to solve word problems involving situations of adding to, taking from, putting together, taking apart, and comparing, with unknowns in all positions, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.1
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.A.2
Solve word problems that call for addition of three whole numbers whose sum is less than or equal to 20, e.g., by using objects, drawings, and equations with a symbol for the unknown number to represent the problem.
Understand and apply properties of operations and the relationship between addition and subtraction.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.3
Apply properties of operations as strategies to add and subtract.2 Examples: If 8 + 3 = 11 is known, then 3 + 8 = 11 is also known. (Commutative property of addition.) To add 2 + 6 + 4, the second two numbers can be added to make a ten, so 2 + 6 + 4 = 2 + 10 = 12. (Associative property of addition.)
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.B.4
Understand subtraction as an unknown-addend problem. For example, subtract 10 - 8 by finding the number that makes 10 when added to 8.
Add and subtract within 20.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.5
Relate counting to addition and subtraction (e.g., by counting on 2 to add 2).
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.C.6
Add and subtract within 20, demonstrating fluency for addition and subtraction within 10. Use strategies such as counting on; making ten (e.g., 8 + 6 = 8 + 2 + 4 = 10 + 4 = 14); decomposing a number leading to a ten (e.g., 13 - 4 = 13 - 3 - 1 = 10 - 1 = 9); using the relationship between addition and subtraction (e.g., knowing that 8 + 4 = 12, one knows 12 - 8 = 4); and creating equivalent but easier or known sums (e.g., adding 6 + 7 by creating the known equivalent 6 + 6 + 1 = 12 + 1 = 13).
Work with addition and subtraction equations.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.7
Understand the meaning of the equal sign, and determine if equations involving addition and subtraction are true or false. For example, which of the following equations are true and which are false? 6 = 6, 7 = 8 - 1, 5 + 2 = 2 + 5, 4 + 1 = 5 + 2.
CCSS.Math.Content.1.OA.D.8
Determine the unknown whole number in an addition or subtraction equation relating three whole numbers. For example, determine the unknown number that makes the equation true in each of the equations 8 + ? = 11, 5 = _ - 3, 6 + 6 = _.

[Purplelady1040]

Does this look like basics to you? Some kids will never grasp this without learning the basics first and why make something simple so complicated? Does it make you smarter? No it just takes you longer to solve a simple problem and makes people "think" you're smarter because you can flash a lot of figures on them. Of course it does give one the ability to do fuzzy math on those who never got it. 

You obviously aren't getting what I am saying, there are ways to teach this and the basics in new and different ways.

[Purplelady1040]

You obviously aren't getting what I am saying, there are ways to teach this and the basics in new and different ways.

By the way, most kids grasp the new way a lot better than you think. I have taught multiplication of 2 and 3 digit numbers using a new model and kids grasp it better than you think. It is not fuzzy to kids but is to adults.

[Purplelady1040]

It doesn't make anyone smarter if they are learning something a new way. Geez, it is called teaching a new way.

[me]

By the way, most kids grasp the new way a lot better than you think. I have taught multiplication of 2 and 3 digit numbers using a new model and kids grasp it better than you think. It is not fuzzy to kids but is to adults.

"Some" kids yes, not "all" kids. And what I said was it makes it easier to use fuzzy math on those who don't get it not that it was fuzzy to everyone. You know, as in make things look like something they aren't. 

You obviously aren't getting what I am saying, there are ways to teach this and the basics in new and different ways.

If the example I showed you is the new "basic" explain the reason for it other than the "global economy". If the same answer can be arrived at using a simpler method this new "basic" is being made complicated for no reason other than to make it appear to be making people smarter when in acutallity they're just adding something that isn't needed. 

[Palehorse]

Some people, it would appear, are perfectly happy to make fire using two sticks. . .