Any predictions on the SCOTUS ruling on Burwell v. Hobby Lobby? The SCOTUS has already basically declared the corporations have the same free speech rights as individuals in the Citizen's United ruling. Will they now grant religious rights to corporations as well?
Quote from: Locutus on June 29, 2014, 06:20:04 PM
Any predictions on the SCOTUS ruling on Burwell v. Hobby Lobby? The SCOTUS has already basically declared the corporations have the same free speech rights as individuals in the Citizen's United ruling. Will they now grant religious rights to corporations as well?
My guess is yes, they will.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 29, 2014, 06:29:57 PM
My guess is yes, they will.
Just why can't some of them old Republican Bastards of the SCOTUS just die. :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2014, 08:04:07 AM
In my opinion, it needs to be left to each state to decide what they want.
No, each state should not be left to decide what is and is not constitutional. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
No, each state should not be left to decide what is and is not constitutional. :rolleyes:
Ever hear or the 10th amendment :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2014, 10:23:59 AM
Ever hear or the 10th amendment :rolleyes:
The 10th amendment doesn't over-rule the U.S. Constitution.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 10:33:54 AM
The 10th amendment doesn't over-rule the U.S. Constitution.
That is an ignorant statement.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2014, 11:01:50 AM
That is an ignorant statement.
No, ignorance describes your understanding of the Constitution. I can't wait for the fucking civil war.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 11:24:04 AM
No, ignorance describes your understanding of the Constitution. I can't wait for the fucking civil war.
Sorry to tell you, but your statement IS ignorant....so is you attitude.
"Several states have introduced various resolutions and legislation in protest to federal actions. Despite this, the Supreme Court has explicitly rejected the idea that the states can nullify federal law. In Cooper v. Aaron (1958), the Supreme Court of the United States held that federal law prevails over state law due to the operation of the Supremacy Clause, and that federal law "can neither be nullified openly and directly by state legislators or state executive or judicial officers nor nullified indirectly by them through evasive schemes . . ." Thus, state laws purporting to nullify federal statutes or to exempt states and their citizens from federal statutes have only symbolic impact."
Marriage in the United States is the legal recognition of certain relationships - normally, monogamous pairings committing for life - that is regulated by individual States.
We're not talking about marriage, stupid.
I was moron. Go back and read once in a while. I was responding to PH's comment about marriage equality.
I said each state should not be left to decide what is and is not constitutional.
Then you started spewing ignorant BS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2014, 02:04:50 PM
I said each state should not be left to decide what is and is not constitutional.
And you call
me ignorant?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 03:54:19 PM
And you call me ignorant?
Whoops! I screwed that whole post up! :spooked:
but, yeah....I called YOU ignorant... :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 10:34:21 AM
And they did.
Now there's a fuggin surprise. . . :roll eyes:
So now corporations primarily owned by 5 or less individuals (51% or more of the stock) can dictate what is or is not within their PERSONAL religious beliefs and impose them upon all employees of a company they own that majority stock within? :confused:
I wonder how that is going to play with those conservative ass-hats when Sharia Law is imposed upon the employees within a US company that is majority owned by extremists? :roll eyes:
Those idiots cannot see past their wallets! :rant:
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Quote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
Now there's a fuggin surprise. . . :roll eyes:
So now corporations primarily owned by 5 or less individuals (51% or more of the stock) can dictate what is or is not within their PERSONAL religious beliefs and impose them upon all employees of a company they own that majority stock within? :confused:
I wonder how that is going to play with those conservative ass-hats when Sharia Law is imposed upon the employees within a US company that is majority owned by extremists? :roll eyes:
Those idiots cannot see past their wallets! :rant:
If you bother to check into it further you will find it is only 4 out of 20 which will not be covered and there are 16 more forms of birth control that will remain available to them. It is not "
all" forms of birth control only the ones that destroy an already fertilized egg the Hobby Lobby owners object to.
QuoteHobby Lobby case: What birth control is affected?
Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY 6:21 p.m. EDT June 30, 2014
The Supreme Court decision in the Hobby Lobby case doesn't currently affect the birth control methods that are most commonly used. But Planned Parenthood Federation of America spokeswoman Justine Sessions says the decision "opens the door for other corporations to be able to opt out of providing any form of birth control."
It doesn't affect:
• Most birth control pills
• Condoms
• Sponges
• Sterilization
It does affect:
• Plan B "morning-after pill"
• Ella "morning-after pill"
• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)
The companies in the case and their supporters object to IUDs and morning-after pills, saying they cause abortions by blocking a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Groups that lobby for reproductive rights contend the drugs and devices prevent fertilization from occurring, which can lead to unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/
Quote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
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THESE FIVE JUSTICES THAT UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION, WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT AND HAVE COMMON SENSE. THAT IS WHAT THESE FIVE JUSTICES HAVE OVER THE OTHER FOUR LIBERAL MINDED, AGENDA DRIVEN JUDGES..............
THEY ARE NOT UNDERMINDING WOMEN, THAT IS ALL POLITICAL BULLSHIT.
THE PROPAGANDA BY THE LEFT ON THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CRIMINAL....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 08:00:28 AM
THE PROPAGANDA BY THE LEFT ON THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CRIMINAL....
And this is why civil war is imminent. Time to clean the gene pool!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
And this is why civil war is imminent. Time to clean the gene pool!
I couldn't agree with you more, that the gene pool is very tarnished.....
The SCOTUS got it right!
In my experience, anyone I've ever heard preach the evils of abortion most likely should have been one.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
In my experience, anyone I've ever heard preach the evils of abortion most likely should have been one.
True that!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
In my experience, anyone I've ever heard preach the evils of abortion most likely should have been one.
and that is your right to believe that, because we have a constitution....and we have a First Amendment of the Constitution that says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
it is all pretty simple, and yet the liberals are trying there best to make this something it isn't.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
and that is your right to believe that, because we have a constitution....and we have a First Amendment of the Constitution that says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
As Palehorse adeptly pointed out, just remember your support when Muslim business owners start inflicting Sharia law onto their employees.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 01:57:08 PM
As Palehorse adeptly pointed out, just remember your support when Muslim business owners start inflicting Sharia law onto their employees.
Apples and oranges dude.
This ruling only applies to family owned business and closely-held corporations....If Muslims own a closely-held corporation, then they should have some sort of say on what or government tries to force them to do, if it goes directly against their beliefs. Nobody forces anyone to work at these business' as long as people know up front before they are hired.
Hobby Lobby has only objected to providing four of the 20 required contraceptives by Obamacare.........this is NOT an assault on women by any , WAY, SHAPE or FORM........it is pure propaganda at its finest.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 02:22:33 PM
Apples and oranges dude.
Not apples and oranges at all. People like you only scream about religious freedom when it's convenient for you and when it's your bullshit story about an invisible man living in the sky. As soon as it's someone else's it's a totally different situation. Personally, I see no real difference between you and the jihadists or any other radical group.
"Your religion ruling takes away my rights." (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/opinion/wydra-hobby-lobby-wins-court/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Think what you will,
you lost: get over it ;)
The Constitution still works they way or forefathers INTENDED it to work.
QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
Now there's a fuggin surprise. . . :roll eyes:
So now corporations primarily owned by 5 or less individuals (51% or more of the stock) can dictate what is or is not within their PERSONAL religious beliefs and impose them upon all employees of a company they own that majority stock within? :confused:
I wonder how that is going to play with those conservative ass-hats when Sharia Law is imposed upon the employees within a US company that is majority owned by extremists? :roll eyes:
Those idiots cannot see past their wallets! :rant:
If you bother to check into it further you will find it is only 4 out of 20 which will not be covered and there are 16 more forms of birth control that will remain available to them. It is not "all" forms of birth control only the ones that destroy an already fertilized egg the Hobby Lobby owners object to.
QuoteHobby Lobby case: What birth control is affected?
Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY 6:21 p.m. EDT June 30, 2014
The Supreme Court decision in the Hobby Lobby case doesn't currently affect the birth control methods that are most commonly used. But Planned Parenthood Federation of America spokeswoman Justine Sessions says the decision "opens the door for other corporations to be able to opt out of providing any form of birth control."
It doesn't affect:
• Most birth control pills
• Condoms
• Sponges
• Sterilization
It does affect:
• Plan B "morning-after pill"
• Ella "morning-after pill"
• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)
The companies in the case and their supporters object to IUDs and morning-after pills, saying they cause abortions by blocking a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Groups that lobby for reproductive rights contend the drugs and devices prevent fertilization from occurring, which can lead to unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 02:54:11 PM
Think what you will,
you lost: get over it ;)
The Constitution still works they way or forefathers INTENDED it to work.
If you'd pull your head out of your ass and actually read the article, it states explicitly why this is absolutely
not the way the Constitution was intended to work. Now don't you have jihad to wage or something?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 02:54:11 PM
Think what you will,
you lost: get over it ;)
The Constitution still works they way or forefathers INTENDED it to work.
No Henry, we all lost with this bunch of Republican assholes. :no: We lost when they took our eminent domain away from us, :mad: We lost when they made corporations human beings. :mad: We the workers of America when they decided to stop SCABS from paying dues and keep on collecting union benefits. :angry: The women lost, all young women of child bearing age lost because of a bunch of crazy asshole Christians wanted to save some money. :mad: Yes Henry, it's all about money and destroying ObamaCare. :biggrin:
You Republicans sure have stacked the Supreme Court with one of the finest, bought bastards you creeps could find. :puke:
Four asshole men deciding what was good for women and all based on lies. :liar2: :repub:
No we all didn't lose shit over this.
No women are being violated. PEROID. If you work at Hobby Lobby and you want a contraception that is not provided by them....then go buy it. Don't try to tell me differently. She go work someplace else, if it is THAT important that she gets free contraceptives.
Liberals are making this a WAY bigger issue out of this than it really is.
Ex I did read the article.
The constitution works and the judges abided it.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 03:26:29 PM
If you'd pull your head out of your ass and actually read the article
I got one YOU can read then....we can go back and forth on this if you want.
Hobby Lobby ruling: Why Supreme Court got it right (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/30/hobby-lobby-ruling-why-supreme-court-got-it-right/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
No we all didn't lose shit over this.
Correct; Hobby Lobby will still cover vasectomies and Viagra. Typical
Muslim, oops, Christian male attitude. Are you making your women wear headscarves (as the bible says they should) and making them walk behind you as well?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 04:23:44 PM
I got one YOU can read then....we can go back and forth on this if you want.
Hobby Lobby ruling: Why Supreme Court got it right (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/30/hobby-lobby-ruling-why-supreme-court-got-it-right/)
A (stupid) Fux News op-ed piece...typical. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 01, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
If you bother to check into it further you will find it is only 4 out of 20 which will not be covered and there are 16 more forms of birth control that will remain available to them. It is not "all" forms of birth control only the ones that destroy an already fertilized egg the Hobby Lobby owners object to.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/
Quote from: me on July 01, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
If you bother to check into it further you will find it is only 4 out of 20 which will not be covered and there are 16 more forms of birth control that will remain available to them. It is not "all" forms of birth control only the ones that destroy an already fertilized egg the Hobby Lobby owners object to.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/
I see you are going to post this repeatedly until someone, likely me since I was the first one you posted it to, responds. With that in mind, be sure to read this very carefully, because this may be a bit complex for you to digest. I will be brief in order to allow you the best opportunity at success in comprehending my position on your repeated responses to the issue:
"WOOOOOOOOSH"!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
No we all didn't lose shit over this.
No, you didn't lose anything over this. Why? Because you have a kickstand instead of a vagina.
Way to be caring and supportive.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
No women are being violated. PEROID. If you work at Hobby Lobby and you want a contraception that is not provided by them....then go buy it. Don't try to tell me differently. She go work someplace else, if it is THAT important that she gets free contraceptives.
Wrong on all counts. But then again, you wouldn't understand that. And I absolutely will not try to tell you differently. I gave up being the patron saint of lost causes a long time ago. When this legislation comes up and bitch slaps you in the face via a daughter or granddaughter, don't come around here whimpering over it.
I will agree with the last part of your quoted post though; sweat shop wages are fairly prevalent so if you work for one and they are requiring you to pay for your health-care, why not work at Taco Bell where they will cover your chosen form of birth control for YOUR hard earned money?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
Ex I did read the article.
The constitution works and the judges abided it.
And I will restate this; I want to hear the very same damned response come out of you when some corporation owned by an extremist group imposes Sharia Law upon its employees then.
You think it won't happen? The fact is because of the Hobby Lobby decision those ass-hats will have NO choice but to support it.
So what about the dissenting opinions of the very same court?
And I quote Ginsberg and those members agreeing with her:
. . ."RFRA speaks of "a person's exercise of religion." 42 U. S. C. §2000bb–1(a) (emphasis added). See also §§2000bb–2(4), 2000cc–5(7)(a).12 Whether
a corporation qualifies as a "person" capable of exercis- ing religion is an inquiry one cannot answer without refer- ence to the "full body" of pre-Smith "free-exercise caselaw." Gilardi, 733 F. 3d, at 1212. There is in that case law no support for the notion that free exercise rights pertain to for-profit corporations.
Until this litigation, no decision of this Court recognized a for-profit corporation's qualification for a religious ex- emption from a generally applicable law, whether under the Free Exercise Clause or RFRA.13 The absence of such precedent is just what one would expect, for the exercise of religion is characteristic of natural persons, not artificial legal entities. As Chief Justice Marshall observed nearly two centuries ago, a corporation is "an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law." Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 4 Wheat. 518, 636 (1819). Corporations, Justice Stevens more recently reminded, "have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires." Citizens United v. Federal Election Comm'n, 558 U. S. 310, 466 (2010).". .
. . ."The First Amendment's free exercise protections, theCourt has indeed recognized, shelter churches and other nonprofit religion-based organizations.14 "For many indi- viduals, religious activity derives meaning in large meas- ure from participation in a larger religious community," and "furtherance of the autonomy of religious organiza- tions often furthers individual religious freedom as well." Corporation of Presiding Bishop of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints v. Amos, 483 U. S. 327, 342 (1987) (Brennan, J., concurring in judgment). The Court's "spe- cial solicitude to the rights of religious organizations," Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC, 565 U. S. ___, ___ (2012) (slip op., at 14), how- ever, is just that. No such solicitude is traditional for com- mercial organizations.15 Indeed, until today, religious exemptions had never been extended to any entity operat- ing in "the commercial, profit-making world." Amos, 483 U. S., at 337.16
The reason why is hardly obscure. Religious organiza- tions exist to foster the interests of persons subscribing to the same religious faith. Not so of for-profit corporations. Workers who sustain the operations of those corporations commonly are not drawn from one religious community. Indeed, by law, no religion-based criterion can restrict the work force of for-profit corporations. See 42 U. S. C. §§2000e(b), 2000e–1(a), 2000e–2(a); cf. Trans World Air lines, Inc. v. Hardison, 432 U. S. 63, 80–81 (1977) (Title VII requires reasonable accommodation of an employee's religious exercise, but such accommodation must not come "at the expense of other[ employees]"). The distinction between a community made up of believers in the same religion and one embracing persons of diverse beliefs, clear as it is, constantly escapes the Court's attention.17 One can only wonder why the Court shuts this key difference from sight.. . ."
Why is this opinion wrong? Because it, along with several others who supported it's author, and whom are also serving members of the court, is not in line with an obscured vision shared by the conservative swayed and leaning sector of the very same court?
This decision is nothing more than the same shite spewed out by this very same court when it granted constitutional rights to these very same corporate entities. That was wrong, and it clearly was the first step in enabling the very legal action set before the court this week; of which I predict with a high level of certainty, will be only step two in a long a sustained march upon the constitutional rights afforded individual citizens of this nation as outline within the very same constitution this court has been using for ass wipe for a number of years now. :rant:
In reading the full decision I am now fully certain that when, not if, a corporation owned by a small number of extremist muslims begins imposing upon its employees Sharia Law, (Something you ultra conservative zealots have been crying wolf about for the last 6 years and laying at the POTUS's feet), this very same court will now be forced, based upon the very precedent this decision handed down today sets, to uphold it.
What will you say then? Will you cry to the heavens in a vain attempt to have your false-idol sky daddy send a barrage of lightening and thunder down upon the infidels? Who will you blame this on then?
And if you'd care to read the entire decision, including the dissenting one(S), you'll find within said decision facts fully supporting what I have been saying on here for years; the ACA that was passed is NOT the one presented by the Obama Administration; and in fact many of the very components of it that you have been wanting to crucify the POTUS over were, in fact, injected into the bill by members of congress.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf)
Hobby Lobby pays above min wage. The women are getting the same coverage as far as birth control as they were getting before. The wooosh happens, in this case, to be over your head not mine.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 01, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
I see you are going to post this repeatedly until someone, likely me since I was the first one you posted it to, responds. With that in mind, be sure to read this very carefully, because this may be a bit complex for you to digest. I will be brief in order to allow you the best opportunity at success in comprehending my position on your repeated responses to the issue:
"WOOOOOOOOSH"!
Again. . .
"WOOOOOOOOSH"!
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
Again. . .
"WOOOOOOOOSH"!
You Republican Dingbats :bat: are bat shit crazy. You don't have a Jesus bone in your foolish and simple minds and bodies. :jc:
Just where in your Bible that states that birth control is a sin. :mad: :no: Hell, the dumb asses back then didn't know anything about birth control. Let us :pray: :preach: :pope: FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And to think the 5 nuts on the Supreme Court are suppose to be some of the smartest Republican in the country. :sarcasm: :007: :thubb: :pink: :pink: :pink: :pink: :pink:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 01, 2014, 10:58:47 PM
. . .
In reading the full decision I am now fully certain that when, not if, a corporation owned by a small number of extremist muslims begins imposing upon its employees Sharia Law, (Something you ultra conservative zealots have been crying wolf about for the last 6 years and laying at the POTUS's feet), this very same court will now be forced, based upon the very precedent this decision handed down today sets, to uphold it.
. . .
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf)
So how about the fact that Catholicism forbids birth control in any way shape or form? Nothing save for the withdrawal method is acceptable to the Catholic faith surrounding birth control.
So now when a predominately held corporation owned by those claiming to be of a strict catholic faith, wants to eliminate all forms of birth control from the healthcare plans of its employees, it now has legal precedent to do so without fear of any legal ramifications what-so-ever?
Yep.
And then, let us consider the fact that increasingly, corporations are moving toward those high deductible plans that ensure that the first 4-8k of medical expenses each and every year come directly out of the pockets of their employees, without the corporation incurring one red cent in expenditures. Additionally, the costs for coverage are increasingly seeing the burden shifted to the employees themselves; with many incurring a monthly premium of 600 dollars a month or more just for the so called "coverage" the insurance provides.
And yet, these corporations feel entitled to their "religiosity" exemptions despite the fact it imposes those religious claims upon each and every employee of the corporations? Tripe, pure and simple. Nothing more than a legal maneuver designed to limit their financial liabilities at a cost to the quality of the lives of their employees; all the while fattening up an already healthy bottom line, while their employees sink into the pit of poverty that widens each and every day.
A Catholic church that harbors and abets serial child molesters. . . :rant:
With the Catholic stand of no birth control :doh: The Mexicans and the people of South America are Catholic. :pope: And they breed like cock roaches and are now sending us their unwanted children. :rant:
There really seems something wrong about this. :mad: :rant: George W. Bush started this damn thing of not sending them back right away. Thanks George W., :ME: Henry and Anne still loves you. :choo: :choo: :choo: Can't get any dumber that this. :wacko:
Quote from: The Troll on July 02, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
You Republican Dingbats :bat: are bat shit crazy. You don't have a Jesus bone in your foolish and simple minds and bodies. :jc:
Just where in your Bible that states that birth control is a sin. :mad: :no: Hell, the dumb asses back then didn't know anything about birth control. Let us :pray: :preach: :pope: FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do believe "Thou Shall Not Kill" pretty much covers it since that's what's happening, a fetus/baby is being killed.
Quote from: me on July 02, 2014, 01:14:53 PM
I do believe "Thou Shall Not Kill" pretty much covers it since that's what's happening, a fetus/baby is being killed.
Oh here we go; the last great act of desperation. Drag out that frayed, ragged, and dirty old straw man. . . :roll eyes:
Get out of the deep weeds and into reality why don't you?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2014, 11:26:13 AM
So how about the fact that Catholicism forbids birth control in any way shape or form?
If a Catholic family owns their own business, and decides to hire outside help, they should NOT, repeat NOT be demanded by law to provide pills or devices that may cause the death of a human embryo. That is directly against their religious beliefs. The government cannot FORCE them to go against their religious beliefs, they are NOT shoving down their beliefs down anybodies throats, they just don't want to pay or provide something that those people can provide for themselves if they choose to...........
This is why the pilgrims moved over here....to escape tyranny. It is another form of tyranny, imo.
For the LIFE of me, why is this so hard for you guys to see? To say that a woman's rights are being violated is utter BULLSHIT.
What ever happened to being responsible for one's own self? How is that government MUST supply this to EVERYONE in the first place?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2014, 01:52:47 PM
If a Catholic family owns their own business, and decides to hire outside help, they should NOT, repeat NOT be demanded by law to provide pills or devices that may cause the death of a human embryo. That is directly against their religious beliefs. The government cannot FORCE them to go against their religious beliefs, they are NOT shoving down their beliefs down anybodies throats, they just don't want to pay or provide something that those people can provide for themselves if they choose to...........
This is why the pilgrims moved over here....to escape tyranny. It is another form of tyranny, imo.
For the LIFE of me, why is this so hard for you guys to see? To say that a woman's rights are being violated is utter BULLSHIT.
What ever happened to being responsible for one's own self? How is that government MUST supply this to EVERYONE in the first place?
Catholicism forbids ANY form of birth control; even condoms and birth control pills. Use of birth control means one risks excommunication from the church. Period. When they attempt the same thing Hobby Lobby did, it will mean the explicit denial of birth control coverage for all employees. It WILL happen.
You and "me" continue to focus on the emotional turmoil the propagandists WANT you focused upon, which blinds you to the bigger picture here and the reality of what that SCOTUS decision means to our nation as a whole; long term. The fact is birth control includes a LOT more than those 3-4 methods Hobby Lobby etc. object to. The mainstream attempts to defang the ramifications by focusing upon only those 3-4 methods, but the reality is that there are versions of Christianity that object to ALL birth control save for pulling out at the moment of truth during intercourse.
Part of that "Tyranny" you quote included the heavy handed Protestant Reformation Act, that attempted to create ONE religion that all were forced to comply with. This is the exact same thing this decision has placed us onto the path toward, and is the reason for the explicit requirement of the separation of church and state.
By the terms of our founding documents, if this government endorses any aspect of one religion, it must also endorse equally those of
all others.
Why is it that so many do not see this? Have the 10-13 generations that have passed since religion last attempted to impose itself upon our government(s) served to eradicate the dangers and persecutions that transpired? Or perhaps it is truly just the fact that because the passage of time eliminates the memories of the trials and tribulations civilization and societies have endured; and thusly we see the root cause for the phrase, "history repeats itself"?
And in reply to your last question, how quickly everyone forgets the inequality in the level of health care that insurers not so long ago imposed upon women of this nation. It wasn't all that long ago that women were forced into higher premium, higher deductible health plans, compared to men, that made it fiscally impossible for them to get even the basic testing and services necessary to ensure their personal health. Birth control included.
I'm not making this stuff up. Do some research before you jump aboard that train hell-bent for a destination that makes socialism look like Romper Room.
Just shy of 200 years ago a serving justice of the SCOTUS defined corporations as "an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law." That was Chief Justice Marshall. And for almost 200 years that decision served as the precedent that ensured the security of our constitutional rights from the imposition of corporate Amerika, (And religion); but in one fell swoop just a few years ago, a modern day SCOTUS threw that decision into the toilet and brought us to a second decision yesterday that does the very same thing.
Corporations are not persons, and persons possess constitutionally guaranteed individual rights and protections. Corporations exist within the law, not life itself. They are not individuals and they most certainly are not persons.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2014, 02:43:04 PM
Corporations are not persons, and persons possess constitutionally guaranteed individual rights and protections. Corporations exist within the law, not life itself. They are not individuals and they most certainly are not persons.
Corporations are formed for financial liability structures, concerns, and protections; not exclusion from values. "People" own them. "People" have values. Just because PEOPLE own a Corporation, does NOT mean they are exempt from our Constitution.
Corporations are NOT EVIL. They can be, but in general, they are good. They are part of all of our lives. We depend on them. If they cannot be subjected to personal values, then we will have REAL problems in this country.
There are mom and pop businesses that are incorporated for reasons like HH mentioned. Corporations, including small businesses, are owned by people. A corporation, large or small, is not an entity unto itself. Without an owner it could not exist since the owner is the one who created it.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2014, 01:40:56 PM
Oh here we go; the last great act of desperation. Drag out that frayed, ragged, and dirty old straw man. . . :roll eyes:
Get out of the deep weeds and into reality why don't you?
Hey, Troll asked I just answered his question.
Quote from: The Troll on July 02, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
You Republican Dingbats :bat: are bat shit crazy. You don't have a Jesus bone in your foolish and simple minds and bodies. :jc:
Just where in your Bible that states that birth control is a sin. :mad: :no: Hell, the dumb asses back then didn't know anything about birth control. Let us :pray: :preach: :pope: FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: me on July 02, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
Hey, Troll asked I just answered his question.
Do you know the difference between "birth control" and abortion?
Quote from: me on July 02, 2014, 04:00:27 PM
There are mom and pop businesses that are incorporated for reasons like HH mentioned. Corporations, including small businesses, are owned by people. A corporation, large or small, is not an entity unto itself. Without an owner it could not exist since the owner is the one who created it.
I have a friend named Harvey. I created him. He's very tall.
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2014, 04:19:08 PM
I have a friend named Harvey. I created him. He's very tall.
Then talk to him and maybe he can explain it to you. :wink:
Okay, I have been reading everyone's comments on this. Let me say that I am Protestant who converted to Catholicism. Catholics do use birth control, they just don't go around announcing it to the world. I know I did and so have other Catholic females. As far as Mexicans and South American's being Catholic, that is true but there coming to America has nothing to do with George Bush, Bill Clinton, the last Bush or Obama. They come to America just like people did 100's of years ago for freedom and to make a better life. Go to any farms and you will find Mexicans working on it-why, because American's are too damn lazy to work on the farms or think they are too good to do that. My brother over saw some Mexicans who had come to Ky. to work on one of the farms and he said they worked harder than Americans ever did. Now before someone mentions that we probably hired them on our farm, no, my father never did because our farm wasn't big enough for that and he had my brothers, my mother, himself and I to do the work along with some other farmers he worked with. Personally, I don't think any company or government needs to be telling people what health care they should and shouldn't have. That should be left up to the individual. I am not for abortion and it has nothing to do with me being Protestant, Catholic or just being a stay home person who doesn't go to church. I just think that we have tons of people who would gladly adopt a child.
By the way, even though Catholicism is the main religion in Mexico and South America. Jewish and Muslim religion is also a huge religion in that area along with some other Christian religions.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on July 02, 2014, 06:17:45 PM
Okay, I have been reading everyone's comments on this. Let me say that I am Protestant who converted to Catholicism. Catholics do use birth control, they just don't go around announcing it to the world. I know I did and so have other Catholic females. . .
I never said they do not use it. What I said that if the church knew it, they would excommunicate you. If one of the parishioners knows it, and decides they don't like you for some reason, they could tell the parish priests about it, and they could throw you out and ban you from any catholic church; worldwide.
I also converted at one time. If you are part of a Roman Catholic Parish you will be excommunicated from the church if they find out you are using birth control. There is no reason acceptable to the church for using it.
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2014, 04:19:08 PM
I have a friend named Harvey. I created him. He's very tall.
Exactly! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2014, 03:28:01 PM
Corporations are formed for financial liability structures, concerns, and protections; not exclusion from values. "People" own them. "People" have values. Just because PEOPLE own a Corporation, does NOT mean they are exempt from our Constitution.
. . .
People cannot "double dip" either. They maintain their individual constitutional rights/protections as individuals.
Moreover, just what qualifies you to over-rule a precedent setting ruling of the SCOTUS? Justice Marshall said that corporations are "an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law."
That makes them pretend.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2014, 03:28:01 PM
. . .
Corporations are NOT EVIL. They can be, but in general, they are good. They are part of all of our lives. We depend on them. If they cannot be subjected to personal values, then we will have REAL problems in this country.
The assumption everyone makes is that they are good, but the reality is they are only good because the law requires them to be. Which is exactly why corporations will use the recent SCOTUS decision as a "loophole" in the law, to be used as a lever to increase their bottom line and oppress / persecute their own employees in the name of a personal belief system that in reality only has meaning if they are caught acting against it within their PERSONAL lives.
People are attempting to create a melding of personal and professional morality that does not, and cannot exist.
If the corporation I work for has a policy against wearing fur, then I am opening myself up for potential disciplinary action by making a personal choice to wear it.
If my personal religion states I must wear fur at all times, I will still be fired for it and there will be nothing I can do about it; especially within an at will or right to work state. I will be fired for it.
The reality is, these very same corporations that the SCOTUS has granted constitutional rights to, are nothing more than legal "individuals" and NOT persons. Only a person can wield constitutional rights and protections. (The law has been very clear on this in the past, and yet as of the last few years the sitting SCOTUS somehow feels empowered to totally ignore this).
Moreover, should a corporation be found to be violating your constitutional rights / protections, you have absolutely
zero legal recourse against them what-so-ever within a right to work or at will state. None. Nada. Zero.
Not so the other way around now. Violation of a constitutional "right" or "protection" of one of these faceless and soulless corporations as an individual, and you will be fired, and potentially taken to court and charged.
Again, if you think I am making this stuff up do yourself a favor and make an appointment for a consultation with an attorney that specializes in this type of law. S/he will tell you exactly the same things I am. Go ahead and do it. The initial consultation is free so all it will cost you is a little of your time and some gas to get to the office. You will find out I am not making this up. I spoke to several of them myself in the past, in this state and two others, and they ALL told me the very same thing.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
I never said they do not use it. What I said that if the church knew it, they would excommunicate you. If one of the parishioners knows it, and decides they don't like you for some reason, they could tell the parish priests about it, and they could throw you out and ban you from any catholic church; worldwide.
I also converted at one time. If you are part of a Roman Catholic Parish you will be excommunicated from the church if they find out you are using birth control. There is no reason acceptable to the church for using it.
Awww but see, nowadays the Catholic church stand on birth control is that you only have the number of children that you can afford. Plus, they priest would have to prove I am now on birth control. I am not now and haven't been for some time but see the burden of proof would lie on them. They can throw me out as I don't go along with their beliefs anyway. :yes:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on July 02, 2014, 07:30:03 PM
Awww but see, nowadays the Catholic church stand on birth control is that you only have the number of children that you can afford. Plus, they priest would have to prove I am now on birth control. I am not now and haven't been for some time but see the burden of proof would lie on them. They can throw me out as I don't go along with their beliefs anyway. :yes:
They still maintain the "rhythm" method as the only acceptable form of birth control. And sorry, but proof would have no bearing on the subject. Accusation is enough for the church. They would throw you out in a heartbeat. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
They still maintain the "rhythm" method as the only acceptable form of birth control. And sorry, but proof would have no bearing on the subject. Accusation is enough for the church. They would throw you out in a heartbeat. :yes:
True but I also don't go so it wouldn't do them any good to throw me out. There is a ton of other reasons I left the Catholic church. I am not crazy about any church that doesn't believe that a spiritual leader can be married and the facts of them molesting children was sickening for me.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on July 02, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
True but I also don't go so it wouldn't do them any good to throw me out. There is a ton of other reasons I left the Catholic church. I am not crazy about any church that doesn't believe that a spiritual leader can be married and the facts of them molesting children was sickening for me.
Increasingly it is becoming more apparent that you do not have to believe, attend, or claim to be an active practitioner of any faith to be impacted by it. They are now actively lobbying for legislation that imposes their beliefs and religiosity upon you within your personal and professional lives. . . And succeeding. :rant:
Dr. Joel C. Hunter Senior Pastor, Northland, A Church Distributed
Fr. Larry Snyder CEO, Catholic Charities USA
Kathy Dahlkemper County Executive, Erie County PA Former Member of Congress
Dr. Rick Warren Senior Pastor, Saddleback Church
Gabe Lyons President, Q Ideas
Dr. Stephen Schneck Director, Institute for Religion & Democracy The Catholic University of America
Michael Wear Consultant National Faith Vote Director, Obama for America 2012
Stephanie Summers CEO, Center for Public Justice
Rev. Noel Castellanos CEO, Christian Community Development Association
Already, 1 day after the disastrous SCOTUS decision, the above are purported to have sent an e-mail to the POTUS asking for religious exemption executive order to be signed by him.
This shite will end up creating another version of religious Tyranny, from which there will be no place left to hide on this planet this time.
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Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
Do you know the difference between "birth control" and abortion?
Troll's question was regarding abortion and I answered it. Quit nit picking.
Quote from: me on July 02, 2014, 10:56:06 PM
Troll's question was regarding abortion and I answered it. Quit nit picking.
Oh, damn! I didn't think a sentient being could be so f#%*^& stupid.
Troll's question had NOTHING to do with abortion ...
Quote from: The Troll on July 02, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
You Republican Dingbats :bat: are bat shit crazy. You don't have a Jesus bone in your foolish and simple minds and bodies. :jc:
Just where in your Bible that states that birth control is a sin. :mad: :no: Hell, the dumb asses back then didn't know anything about birth control. Let us :pray: :preach: :pope: FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On second thought, the word 'sentient' does not apply to her.
Quote from: me on July 02, 2014, 01:14:53 PM
I do believe "Thou Shall Not Kill" pretty much covers it since that's what's happening, a fetus/baby is being killed.
If a fetus is a life then so is a cancer.
Quote from: Bo D on July 03, 2014, 08:12:03 AM
Oh, damn! I didn't think a sentient being could be so f#%*^& stupid.
Shocking! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 03, 2014, 08:54:54 AM
If a fetus is a life then so is a cancer.
:confused: I believe in evolution, but strongly resist the idea that we're solely the product of biology and evolution. So, let me propose something else and ask a few questions:
One theory of reincarnation is that the body is like a house, empty until a soul enters and turns on the lights. And, when the body dies, the soul leaves and turns off the lights.
So, assuming a body has a soul,
When does that soul enter the body? At conception? At birth?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2014, 03:28:01 PM
Corporations, "People" own them. "People" have values.
Corporations are NOT EVIL.
Henry, just what turnip truck did you get off of. :doh: General Motors killing people with bad key locks, cause the people in charge didn't do any thing about it. :angry: BP killing the Gulf of Mexico trying to do the drilling on the cheap, Enron killing it's workers jobs, because the it's leaders where cheating the people who bought it's products and all of the other bad corporations like the one Mitt Romney had, sending American job overseas to make himself richer. :mad: I could go on and on and on, your the dumb ass that can't see the truth. : :kneel: :groan: Let's see you :pray: yourself out of this. Dummy. :knife:
And Charles Manson was a killer, O.J. Simpson killed his wife and Hitler was Hitler....
What is your point?
Corporations are groups of people. Ford....a corporation, gave you a wonderful life. Microsoft made our lives easier. I could go on and on.....
Good and Evil exist.
We have laws in place, we just don't use them all the time do we.... like our boarder patrol cannot do their jobs effectively because, our FED GOV is playing politics instead of letting the states enforce the laws they have in place to keep their people safe.
I think BIG GOV is more of a danger than BIG BUSINESS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 03, 2014, 10:36:51 AM
...like our boarder patrol cannot do their jobs effectively because...
...there are just too damn many tenants to keep track of! :biggrin:
I hear they're considering changing their name to Wahhabi Lobby. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 03, 2014, 08:54:54 AM
If a fetus is a life then so is a cancer.
Ya know Ex, I never thought I'd hear such a stupid remark from you of all people. Does cancer turn into a living breathing person? I think not.
Quote from: me on July 03, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Ya know Ex, I never thought I'd hear such a stupid remark from you of all people. Does cancer turn into a living breathing person? I think not.
No, cancer turn into a cold dead person. :rolleyes: The human body committed suicide. :eek:
Quote from: me on July 03, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Ya know Ex, I never thought I'd hear such a stupid remark from you of all people. Does cancer turn into a living breathing person? I think not.
With no interference, more than 2/3 of all fertilized eggs fail to result in a live birth.
Quote from: me on July 03, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Ya know Ex, I never thought I'd hear such a stupid remark from you of all people. Does cancer turn into a living breathing person? I think not.
His remark requires thought. If you consider what a fetus is medically/scientifically, he's not wrong.
I really don't understand why conservatives are ao happy about this and why religion would deny a woman contraceptives IF they insist they're anti-choice when it comes to abortion. I can't imagine having such conflicting beliefs and being happy.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
I really don't understand why conservatives are ao happy about this and why religion would deny a woman contraceptives IF they insist they're anti-choice when it comes to abortion. I can't imagine having such conflicting beliefs and being happy.
There are still 16 methods available to them including birth control pills.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2014, 08:17:24 PM
His remark requires thought. If you consider what a fetus is medically/scientifically, he's not wrong.
Sandy, I think he is wrong. A cancer will never grow and be able to live outside of a host, a fetus will. That, IMO, makes the difference. I have already stated my views on abortion,so I won't get into that again. I think some people are missing the point HL is making. They don't think the four types of "contraception" they objected to are preventing conception, but are in fact abortions which they object to.
Quote from: Anne on July 07, 2014, 10:26:13 AM
A cancer will never grow and be able to live outside of a host, a fetus will.
Most, in fact, will not.
QuoteI think some people are missing the point HL is making. They don't think the four types of "contraception" they objected to are preventing conception, but are in fact abortions which they object to.
I think you're missing the bigger point about the can of worms this opens up when other religions impose their views on their employees which is now sanctioned by the Supreme Court.
Quote from: Anne on July 07, 2014, 10:26:13 AM
Sandy, I think he is wrong. A cancer will never grow and be able to live outside of a host, a fetus will. That, IMO, makes the difference. I have already stated my views on abortion,so I won't get into that again. I think some people are missing the point HL is making. They don't think the four types of "contraception" they objected to are preventing conception, but are in fact abortions which they object to.
Then why do they invest in the selfsame companies that make these forms of contraception that they find objectionable to provide to their employees based on 'religious' grounds?
I think HL was being extremely reasonably and the SCOTUS actually used common sense, which has been missing from our law makers.
For the life of me, I cannot see ANYONE can object to what happened in this case.....it is clearly cut and dry. Justice has prevailed.
Thank you for sharing the illiterates' point of view. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 07, 2014, 12:59:29 PM
I think HL was being extremely reasonably and the SCOTUS actually used common sense, which has been missing from our law makers.
For the life of me, I cannot see ANYONE can object to what happened in this case.....it is clearly cut and dry. Justice has prevailed.
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Quote from: Locutus on July 07, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
Then why do they invest in the selfsame companies that make these forms of contraception that they find objectionable to provide to their employees based on 'religious' grounds?
Quote from: Locutus on July 07, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
Then why do they invest in the selfsame companies that make these forms of contraception that they find objectionable to provide to their employees based on 'religious' grounds?
To answer that question I would have to know how their investment plan works. If it is handled by a firm and HL doesn't pick the individual companies that their money is invested in then they may not have known which companies their plan owned stock in or what they produced. Our investment plan went into a low/moderate risk fund that had stock in multiple companies that changed frequently.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 07, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
Most, in fact, will not.
I think you're missing the bigger point about the can of worms this opens up when other religions impose their views on their employees which is now sanctioned by the Supreme Court.
You are right, a large proportion of fertilized eggs do not result in a pregnancy, but some people believe life begins at conception - not implantation and to them the four methods constitute abortion or murder.
No, I am not missing the point, I can see how this can become a slippery slope. However, government already limits how private business can and cannot run their business. I would not be surprised to see the no shirt no shoes no service signs gone soon. :) In my statements before this I was trying to make the point that HL was not in fact trying to deny birth control to their female employees as so many articles and persons were trying to imply. It is a family owned company and seems to follow their convictions (not being open on Sundays). I haven't heard anything about making their employees attend religious services or anything like that.
Quote from: Anne on July 07, 2014, 03:27:46 PM
To answer that question I would have to know how their investment plan works. If it is handled by a firm and HL doesn't pick the individual companies that their money is invested in then they may not have known which companies their plan owned stock in or what they produced. Our investment plan went into a low/moderate risk fund that had stock in multiple companies that changed frequently.
There are many plans and funds available who base their investment decisions on religious principles and would therefore not include investments in such companies. That they willingly choose to ignore those options only underscores their hypocrisy.
Hobby Lobby did what legal experts told them they had the best chance of winning.....they have to chose their battles.
I think this explains it best locutus.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreybrown/2014/07/02/is-hobby-lobby-hypocritical-or-just-complying-with-u-s-pension-law/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreybrown/2014/07/02/is-hobby-lobby-hypocritical-or-just-complying-with-u-s-pension-law/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 07, 2014, 04:14:32 PM
Hobby Lobby did what legal experts told them they had the best chance of winning.....they have to chose their battles.
I think this explains it best locutus.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreybrown/2014/07/02/is-hobby-lobby-hypocritical-or-just-complying-with-u-s-pension-law/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreybrown/2014/07/02/is-hobby-lobby-hypocritical-or-just-complying-with-u-s-pension-law/)
They have to choose what is best for their bottom line. THAT is all that matters to them, for they care not for those that toil for their sweat shop wages.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 07, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
. . .
I think you're missing the bigger point about the can of worms this opens up when other religions impose their views on their employees which is now sanctioned by the Supreme Court.
Indeed Ex. Indeed! :yes:
What do you call a company that admits to killing 13 people over the span of a year? GM. What do you call a person doing that? An inmate on death row.
If they are both individuals why do they both not reside on death row?
And it begins. . .
Lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees have filed motions asking U.S. courts to stop officials from barring the inmates from participating in communal prayers during Ramadan, claiming their rights are protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and citing the recent Supreme Court Hobby Lobby ruling in their defense, reports Al Jazeera America.. . .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/)
How long before a corporation held by an extremist group of Muslims imposes Sharia Law upon its employees?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
And it begins. . .
Lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees have filed motions asking U.S. courts to stop officials from barring the inmates from participating in communal prayers during Ramadan, claiming their rights are protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and citing the recent Supreme Court Hobby Lobby ruling in their defense, reports Al Jazeera America.. . .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/)
How long before a corporation held by an extremist group of Muslims imposes Sharia Law upon its employees?
:haha: :haha: I hope it happens. :yes: Then we will see what the shit heads of The Supreme Court do about it. :biggrin: It really needs to happen. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
And it begins. . .
Lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees have filed motions asking U.S. courts to stop officials from barring the inmates from participating in communal prayers during Ramadan, claiming their rights are protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and citing the recent Supreme Court Hobby Lobby ruling in their defense, reports Al Jazeera America.. . .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/)
How long before a corporation held by an extremist group of Muslims imposes Sharia Law upon its employees?
How long would it be before they had no employees?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
And it begins. . .
Lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees have filed motions asking U.S. courts to stop officials from barring the inmates from participating in communal prayers during Ramadan, claiming their rights are protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and citing the recent Supreme Court Hobby Lobby ruling in their defense, reports Al Jazeera America.. . .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/)
How long before a corporation held by an extremist group of Muslims imposes Sharia Law upon its employees?
Are you ACTUALLY trying to make the comparison of Hobby Lobby and International Terrorists? You actually believe that? You believe that cold blooded, murdering terrorists should have the same rights as law abiding, tax paying American citizens?
Sorry pal, but they gave up all rights when they became incarcerated..........again, I claim that common sense seems to have missed the democrat platformed fairy boat.
For those that missed the joke earlier, I am providing a link! Wahhabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement) Lobby... :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
Are you ACTUALLY trying to make the comparison of Hobby Lobby and International Terrorists? You actually believe that? You believe that cold blooded, murdering terrorists should have the same rights as law abiding, tax paying American citizens?
First of all, if these people are, as you claim, international terrorists, why haven't they been charged? Secondly, Christians have killed far more people throughout history than Muslims ever thought about. Why aren't you considered a terrorist, especially when your beliefs so closely align with theirs?
QuoteSorry pal, but they gave up all rights when they became incarcerated...
Again, no; they lose their rights when they are convicted of a crime.
Quote...again, I claim that common sense seems to have missed the democrat platformed fairy boat.
I'll bet when you look in the mirror, you think you're handsome, too; huh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 08, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
For those that missed the joke earlier, I am providing a link! Wahhabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement) Lobby... :biggrin:
Nobody missed it........It wasn't THAT funny the first time..........THAT is why nobody responded. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2014, 08:47:07 AM
Nobody missed it........It wasn't THAT funny the first time..........THAT is why nobody responded. :rolleyes:
Like you had any clue what Wahhabi is... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 08, 2014, 09:35:05 AM
Like you had any clue what Wahhabi is... :rolleyes:
I learned about that in elementary school in my Salafi 101 class.......duh.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2014, 10:07:45 AM
I learned about that in elementary school in my Salafi 101 class.......duh.
Oops, sorry! I had completely forgotten the Anderson schools' focus on diversity! :biggrin:
Quote from: me on July 07, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
How long would it be before they had no employees?
You jackwagons won't give people unemployment, have cut public assistance to the bare bones, and refuse to give to the local food pantries; so if they want to eat, they have to work. If they want to work, there are only those kinds of places to work at. . . In many areas, even if you have a 4 year college degree and graduated cum laude, these sweat shops are the only choice out there. Unless you want to walk away from your home and move to another state.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
Are you ACTUALLY trying to make the comparison of Hobby Lobby and International Terrorists? You actually believe that? You believe that cold blooded, murdering terrorists should have the same rights as law abiding, tax paying American citizens?
. . .
WOOSH!No surprise there though. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
And it begins. . .
Lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees have filed motions asking U.S. courts to stop officials from barring the inmates from participating in communal prayers during Ramadan, claiming their rights are protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and citing the recent Supreme Court Hobby Lobby ruling in their defense, reports Al Jazeera America.. . .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/6/gitmo-detainees-seek-right-celebrate-ramadan-cite-/)
How long before a corporation held by an extremist group of Muslims imposes Sharia Law upon its employees?
Bump. . .
Quote from: Exterminator on July 08, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
For those that missed the joke earlier, I am providing a link! Wahhabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement) Lobby... :biggrin:
:biggrin:
Wahhabi baggers!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 08, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
For those that missed the joke earlier, I am providing a link! Wahhabi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_movement) Lobby... :biggrin:
I didn't miss it earlier. I was just busy and didn't have a chance to respond. I thought it was hilarious. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
Are you ACTUALLY trying to make the comparison of Hobby Lobby and International Terrorists? You actually believe that? You believe that cold blooded, murdering terrorists should have the same rights as law abiding, tax paying American citizens?
Sorry pal, but they gave up all rights when they became incarcerated..........again, I claim that common sense seems to have missed the democrat platformed fairy boat.
Henry, get your head out of your ass. :doh: Just because you were incarcerated doesn't mean you're guilty. Just where did you get your law degree, Turnip Truck University. TTU. :yeah: :yeah: :choo: :choo: :rolleyes:
Yeah, these guys are not guilty of anything.... :rolleyes: We should not have incarcerated them in the first place.....maybe we should just let them become citizens of this nation......
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btw, there is no WOOSH!
I get it.......with all my heart, I don't think you guys get it.
You are falling into the liberal propaganda BS.............BIG TIME.
and it is really, really sad. :no:
Everything that is going on right now is stunning. This Nation is falling fast.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
This Nation is falling fast.
Absolutely but not for the reasons you're suggesting.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
Yeah, these guys are not guilty of anything.... :rolleyes: We should not have incarcerated them in the first place.....maybe we should just let them become citizens of this nation......
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btw, there is no WOOSH!
I get it.......with all my heart, I don't think you guys get it.
You are falling into the liberal propaganda BS.............BIG TIME.
and it is really, really sad. :no:
Everything that is going on right now is stunning. This Nation is falling fast.
But Henry there were a lot of illegal arrest in war time. :yes: Just like here in America there are one hell of a lot of arrests by our police force where the people are not guilty. :yes: Anyone who is arrested needs their day in court. :yes: I know you sure would want your day in court. :smash: :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
Yeah, these guys are not guilty of anything.... :rolleyes: We should not have incarcerated them in the first place.....maybe we should just let them become citizens of this nation......
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btw, there is no WOOSH!
I get it.......with all my heart, I don't think you guys get it.
You are falling into the liberal propaganda BS.............BIG TIME.
and it is really, really sad. :no:
Everything that is going on right now is stunning. This Nation is falling fast.
WOOSH!
Quote from: The Troll on July 09, 2014, 11:02:12 AM
But Henry there were a lot of illegal arrest in war time. :yes: Just like here in America there are one hell of a lot of arrests by our police force where the people are not guilty. :yes: Anyone who is arrested needs their day in court. :yes: I know you sure would want your day in court. :smash: :rant:
WOW!
Not even going to respond to this.........talk about whooosh!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 09, 2014, 10:33:31 AM
Absolutely but not for the reasons you're suggesting.
Yeah, it IS for many of the reason I am suggesting....
I am not a fan of Dick Morris, but this editorial by him says it all, very, very well....
The worst day in Barack Obama's life may have been the day he won a second term. Increasingly, he is the captive of events his own policies have set in motion that are now out of control and coming back to haunt him. The last two and a half years of his second term seem fated to be the worst ending to a presidency since those of Johnson and Nixon, dominated by Vietnam protests and Watergate, respectively.
The process will cook his legacy and destroy his party's chances to keep the presidency.
Immigration: It is about to become the conventional wisdom — in this case, correct — that Obama's manipulation of the deportation system has triggered the tidal wave of unaccompanied children coming across the southern border. Even as his policies lead to a massive unintended consequence, he seems determined to double down and ratchet deportations back further.
One can predict that stories of crimes by illegal immigrants, of disease borne here by the immigrants and the dislocations in communities across the land will dominate the news for years. It will be like the Cuban Mariel boatlift of 1980, when Fidel Castro emptied his prisons and mental hospitals and shipped their inhabitants here. Ironically, the backlash helped defeat then-Gov. Bill Clinton's bid for reelection in Arkansas that same year.
ObamaCare: The failure to anticipate the number of older and sicker people to enter the healthcare pool has set the stage for double-digit premium increases as 2014 draws toward a close. And the limits on grandfathered small group policies will cause wholesale cancellations, such as those that bedeviled Obama in 2013. Larger firms will need to increase employee contributions, replace full-time workers with part-timers and raise deductibles. All the bad news postponed from 2013 and 2014 will hit the fan in 2015.
Middle East: Obama's hasty and total withdrawal from Iraq is already backfiring as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) sweeps through the nation, destroying the hapless and disorganized forces of the government. With the formation of a Sunni caliphate more likely than not, the president will have to answer for a new wave of terrorism on his watch.
IRS: With the scandal of the Internal Revenue Service targeting of Tea Party groups now reaching the U.S. District Court, it enters a new era. Before the Congressional Oversight Committee, administration witnesses could resort to delaying tactics of "my dog ate it" excuses in answer to document subpoenas. But no more. While Congress cannot enforce its contempt citations, a District Court judge can. He can demand that techies search for missing emails, subpoena those who received them and force document production on penalty of incarceration with no Justice Department intermediary to shield Obama administration officials.
We are about to be treated to a Nixonesque drama, wherein the court, impelled by lawyers for the Tea Party — the redoubtable Cleta Mitchell — forces the IRS to cough up what it knows.
And, with the Nixon case providing a precedent, impeachment could be in the offing. Ken Starr sought impeachment over what many did not consider to be a high crime or misdemeanor. But nobody can doubt that using the IRS to punish political opponents qualifies.
Benghazi: Now that the fig leaf of blaming the 2012 attack in Libya on an Internet video has been stripped away by the Justice Department indictment of Ahmed Abu Khattala — stating that he planned the attack for months — Obama must face the full force of Congressman Trey Gowdy's (R-S.C.) investigation. One is inclined to believe author Ed Klein's account in his book Blood Feud, that the use of the video to cover up a terror attack was triggered by the president himself in a 10 p.m. phone call to Hillary Clinton the night of the attack.
And, if all this were not enough, are we riding the crest of the stock market bubble, and will it come crashing down as many predict?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2014, 02:37:06 PM
Yeah, it IS for many of the reason I am suggesting....
No, the country is doomed because we let racist illiterates (blacks and whites) vote and breed like flies. Makes absolutely no difference to me though because neither my girlfriend nor myself has brought any children into the world so when we're gone, we leave no one behind to deal with the problems created by others. The offspring of those most directly responsible for over populating and trashing this planet and for supporting the downward spiral that is the redistribution of wealth to the already rich will pay for the sins of their fathers. The extremes of climate, hunger, pestilence, pollution, disease, the wars that will eventually be fought for access to clean water and the eventual devolution of society into chaos will be the birthright their ignorant and short-sighted parents earned for them. There will be justice and it will be harsh.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2014, 02:37:06 PM
Yeah, it IS for many of the reason I am suggesting....
I am not a fan of Dick Morris, but this editorial by him says it all, very, very well....
The worst day in Barack Obama's life may have been the day he won a second term. Increasingly, he is the captive of events his own policies have set in motion that are now out of control and coming back to haunt him. The last two and a half years of his second term seem fated to be the worst ending to a presidency since those of Johnson and Nixon, dominated by Vietnam protests and Watergate, respectively.
The process will cook his legacy and destroy his party's chances to keep the presidency.
Immigration: It is about to become the conventional wisdom — in this case, correct — that Obama's manipulation of the deportation system has triggered the tidal wave of unaccompanied children coming across the southern border. Even as his policies lead to a massive unintended consequence, he seems determined to double down and ratchet deportations back further.
One can predict that stories of crimes by illegal immigrants, of disease borne here by the immigrants and the dislocations in communities across the land will dominate the news for years. It will be like the Cuban Mariel boatlift of 1980, when Fidel Castro emptied his prisons and mental hospitals and shipped their inhabitants here. Ironically, the backlash helped defeat then-Gov. Bill Clinton's bid for reelection in Arkansas that same year.
ObamaCare: The failure to anticipate the number of older and sicker people to enter the healthcare pool has set the stage for double-digit premium increases as 2014 draws toward a close. And the limits on grandfathered small group policies will cause wholesale cancellations, such as those that bedeviled Obama in 2013. Larger firms will need to increase employee contributions, replace full-time workers with part-timers and raise deductibles. All the bad news postponed from 2013 and 2014 will hit the fan in 2015.
Middle East: Obama's hasty and total withdrawal from Iraq is already backfiring as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) sweeps through the nation, destroying the hapless and disorganized forces of the government. With the formation of a Sunni caliphate more likely than not, the president will have to answer for a new wave of terrorism on his watch.
IRS: With the scandal of the Internal Revenue Service targeting of Tea Party groups now reaching the U.S. District Court, it enters a new era. Before the Congressional Oversight Committee, administration witnesses could resort to delaying tactics of "my dog ate it" excuses in answer to document subpoenas. But no more. While Congress cannot enforce its contempt citations, a District Court judge can. He can demand that techies search for missing emails, subpoena those who received them and force document production on penalty of incarceration with no Justice Department intermediary to shield Obama administration officials.
We are about to be treated to a Nixonesque drama, wherein the court, impelled by lawyers for the Tea Party — the redoubtable Cleta Mitchell — forces the IRS to cough up what it knows.
And, with the Nixon case providing a precedent, impeachment could be in the offing. Ken Starr sought impeachment over what many did not consider to be a high crime or misdemeanor. But nobody can doubt that using the IRS to punish political opponents qualifies.
Benghazi: Now that the fig leaf of blaming the 2012 attack in Libya on an Internet video has been stripped away by the Justice Department indictment of Ahmed Abu Khattala — stating that he planned the attack for months — Obama must face the full force of Congressman Trey Gowdy's (R-S.C.) investigation. One is inclined to believe author Ed Klein's account in his book Blood Feud, that the use of the video to cover up a terror attack was triggered by the president himself in a 10 p.m. phone call to Hillary Clinton the night of the attack.
And, if all this were not enough, are we riding the crest of the stock market bubble, and will it come crashing down as many predict?
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Yes ... Dick Morris ... the "King of Wrong Mountain"
The same Dick Morris who was so bad at predictions that Fox fired him.
Quote from: Bo D on July 09, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
The same Dick Morris who was so bad at predictions that Fox fired him.
Yeah, the same Dick Morris that was Bill Clinton's RIGHT hand man, and adviser through is his governorship and his presidency.....
Like him or not, he IS interesting to listen to. He has been deeply involved in the political world for years....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2014, 04:46:22 PM
Yeah, the same Dick Morris that was Bill Clinton's RIGHT hand man, and adviser through is his governorship and his presidency.....
Like him or not, he IS interesting to listen to. He has been deeply involved in the political world for years....
Yep, Dick Morris is a friend that everyone wishes for. True Blue and honest as the day is long. A man you can give a knife to and let him stand behind you and guard your back. :haha: :haha: Prick Morris the piece of shit. :yes:
You know, a guy that is a lot like Henry. :grin2:
Quote from: me on July 07, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
There are still 16 methods available to them including birth control pills.
Your point? Maybe those methods aren't right for someone for whatever reason? Medically or personal choice? What gives the company the right to deny the choice of contraception?
If someone claims to be anti-choice when it comes to abortion, then logically they'd be pro contraception.
No one has ever accused the conservative stance on anything to be logical though.
Quote from: Anne on July 07, 2014, 10:26:13 AM
Sandy, I think he is wrong. A cancer will never grow and be able to live outside of a host, a fetus will. That, IMO, makes the difference. I have already stated my views on abortion,so I won't get into that again. I think some people are missing the point HL is making. They don't think the four types of "contraception" they objected to are preventing conception, but are in fact abortions which they object to.
He wasn't speaking to "eventually". He was speaking to the viability at the time the procedure is performed.
You don't have to restate your opinion on abortion, because it isn't relevant to anyone except you. As my opinions on abortion are only relevant to me. That's the way it's supposed to be.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 10, 2014, 10:17:40 PM
What gives the company the right to deny the choice of contraception?
They are NOT denying anyone, ANYTHING.......that person can STILL do WHATEVER they want, buy WHATEVER they want.........HL, just doesn't believe THEY should have to pay for it.
These people can work for another company that DOES cover those items. HL pays pretty good wages for the type of work.........they need to take that into factor.
THAT IS THE LOGICAL STANCE... :yes:
93% of Hobby Lobby's inventory comes from China where there have been 336 million abortions in the past 30 years.
The last time I checked........we are STILL a free country. We do not have to agree on issues.....The bottom line is, you don't like Hobby Lobby don't go there and buy from them.
But the SCOTUS got it 100% right...........if a Muslim family wants to do the same thing and employee people with understanding of what they are getting into when they take the job, then good for them. If I don't like people praying to Allah while I work, I won't work there.
It is all pretty simple, it really is.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2014, 10:16:25 AM
The last time I checked........we are STILL a free country. We do not have to agree on issues.....The bottom line is, you don't like Hobby Lobby don't go there and buy from them.
I don't.
QuoteBut the SCOTUS got it 100% right...
You should preface this with, "in my opinion," since you could fit all of your knowledge of constitutional law in a thimble.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2014, 08:05:25 AM
They are NOT denying anyone, ANYTHING.......that person can STILL do WHATEVER they want, buy WHATEVER they want.........HL, just doesn't believe THEY should have to pay for it.
These people can work for another company that DOES cover those items. HL pays pretty good wages for the type of work.........they need to take that into factor.
THAT IS THE LOGICAL STANCE... :yes:
Do you EVER read what you type or think about it? The survey says...no.
The company insurance never furnished those particular methods before so what's the big deal now?
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 11, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Do you EVER read what you type or think about it? The survey says...no.
The narrow minded and brain dead Christians are always crying :cry: :cry: :cry: about war on the church. :cry: :cry: What the hell about the war on women and their rights, Numbnuts. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on July 13, 2014, 09:29:25 PM
The narrow minded and brain dead Christians are always crying :cry: :cry: :cry: about war on the church. :cry: :cry: What the hell about the war on women and their rights, Numbnuts. :rant:
No one said they couldn't pay for it themselves so what's yer problem. Where's the law that say's women have a right to birth control?
Quote from: me on July 13, 2014, 11:02:16 PM
No one said they couldn't pay for it themselves so what's yer problem. Where's the law that say's women have a right to birth control?
Look One Cell Brain. :dizzy2: Since you are beyond, way beyond child bearing age. :rolleyes: What damn business of yours what these women get in insurance benefits. :confused:
I don't know what damn turnip truck you got off, most companies insurance benefits are pay in lieu of raises in wages. So One Cell, these women are paying for their insurance. What don't you understand about that, Ding Dong. :angry: Angry because there are so many nib shits and stupid Republican people in this country. :angry:
bottom line is this;
You lost;get over it...
Justice wins...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2014, 08:08:13 AM
bottom line is this;
You lost;get over it...
Justice wins...
Obama won two terms and you assholes haven't got over it. :haha: :haha: And every day you assholes try to make things worse in this country because of your hate for Obama. You stupid assholes. :zoners: Your assholes make $175,000 a year and they have done a thing to make thing better. :zoners:
Dems control the Senate and the White House.............a little compromise is all it takes to get whatever a good leader would want. The problem is he doesn't want to negotiate.
Enough of the Republicans say no BULLSHIT......MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, if they would NOT say no, if the WH was willing to negotiate.
It takes leadership. We are lacking in leadership.
A good leader could go to the American public and convince them to pressure their reps into doing what they want done.
Clinton did it....
Reagan did it perfectly.
Quit looking for excuses when the obvious answer is RIGHT there in front of your faces.
There is a reason as to why Obama is dropping in the polls. Lack of leadership. PERIOD.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
Dems control the Senate and the White House.............a little compromise is all it takes to get whatever a good leader would want. The problem is he doesn't want to negotiate.
Enough of the Republicans say no BULLSHIT......MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, if they would NOT say no, if the WH was willing to negotiate.
It takes leadership. We are lacking in leadership.
A good leader could go to the American public and convince them to pressure their reps into doing what they want done.
Clinton did it....
Reagan did it perfectly.
Quit looking for excuses when the obvious answer is RIGHT there in front of your faces.
There is a reason as to why Obama is dropping in the polls. Lack of leadership. PERIOD.
How about the Polls of your Republican controlled congress, what is it now 15%. :doh: Where is your leadership? Boner the drunk asshole. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2014, 01:42:57 PM
How about the Polls of your Republican controlled congress, what is it now 15%. :doh: Where is your leadership? Boner the drunk asshole. :haha:
Troll, Boner is a creep. I will agree. The republicans DO suck right now........you won't get much of an argument from me pertaining leadership from the republican party.
That doesn't change anything with what I said though about the POTUS and the Senate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
Dems control the Senate and the White House.............a little compromise is all it takes to get whatever a good leader would want.
So they're expected to compromise but the conservatives are not; correct?
If Harry Reid doesn't approve of something they passed he won't even bring it up for a vote and Obama keeps saying "my way or the highway".
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2014, 03:16:33 PM
So they're expected to compromise but the conservatives are not; correct?
Who said they wouldn't? Both sides are being hard-headed..........THAT is where the POTUS is supposed to LEAD.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2014, 03:43:51 PM
Who said they wouldn't? Both sides are being hard-headed..........THAT is where the POTUS is supposed to LEAD.
Using you as a microcosmic example of the stupidity inherent in the neocon crowd, how about you show us a post you've made here in which you've ever expressed any interest in compromise or, for that matter, even admitted you were wrong when faced with overwhelming evidence? You can't and do you know why? Because you can't fix stupid.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2014, 05:31:54 PM
Using you as a microcosmic example of the stupidity inherent in the neocon crowd, how about you show us a post you've made here in which you've ever expressed any interest in compromise or, for that matter, even admitted you were wrong when faced with overwhelming evidence? You can't and do you know why? Because you can't fix stupid.
:clap: :yeah: :piano: :bliss: :bliss: Exterminator :salute: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2014, 05:31:54 PM
Using you as a microcosmic example of the stupidity inherent in the neocon crowd, how about you show us a post you've made here in which you've ever expressed any interest in compromise or, for that matter, even admitted you were wrong when faced with overwhelming evidence? You can't and do you know why? Because you can't fix stupid.
What does that have to do with the fact that Obama needs to go to congress, and not behind closed doors, and bring them together? Shouldn't he be doing that rather than going to fund raisers and playing pool?
His response just re-affirms that I am, indeed correct. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2014, 07:51:40 AM
His response just re-affirms that I am, indeed correct. :yes:
You are, indeed, delusional.
Quote from: me on July 14, 2014, 07:04:12 PM
What does that have to do with the fact that Obama needs to go to congress, and not behind closed doors, and bring them together? . . .
That would work about as well as having the national KKK elect a man of color as Grand Dragon. . . A be very similar to such!
Quote from: me on July 14, 2014, 07:04:12 PM
What does that have to do with the fact that Obama needs to go to congress, and not behind closed doors, and bring them together? Shouldn't he be doing that rather than going to fund raisers and playing pool?
For Obama to go to Congress would be like what Tater says, "you can't fix stupid." :trustme: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on July 15, 2014, 07:09:35 PM
For Obama to go to Congress would be like what Tater says, "you can't fix stupid." :trustme: :biggrin:
I guess Reid and Pelosi are rather dense come to think of it.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2014, 07:43:33 PM
I guess Reid and Pelosi are rather dense come to think of it.
Well Tootie Toot, just who do you have to replace Reid and Pelosi with. :confused: :rolleyes: I haven't seen one Republican that I can respect in Washington DC. :no: And your idea of a perfect woman Republican is Sarah Palin. :haha: :haha:
No one in the Republican Clown Car running for president has anything to offer, who are not out right liars, who are not in the pockets of the super rich and the corporations. None who are out to help the middle class. Only tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the corporations and for all out free trade making the rich richer and the poor poorer. :yes: :rant:
Now if the Republicans can come up with a another Teddy Roosevelt, now I could vote for a man of his caliber. Sweet Pie, you ain't got such a person, all are either liars, crooks or bought and paid for by Millionaires :007: and Billionaires. :007: :yes: :rant:
Now I will wait for your, most likely super intelligent answer. :sarcasm: :busted:
Quote from: The Troll on July 16, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
you ain't got such a person, all are either liars, crooks or bought and paid for by Millionaires :007: and Billionaires.
And the democrats do have? :rolleyes:
this is the problem with our country both sides think THEY have the answer and both are idiots........just trying to find out the lesser of two evils.
How many times do I have to remind you that the problem with our country is that we let stupid people breed and vote?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2014, 01:17:56 PM
How many times do I have to remind you that the problem with our country is that we let stupid people breed and vote?
Exactly why we need a voter ID. If one person cannot be responsible enough to get an ID to use to vote, then they should NOT be able to vote.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
Exactly why we need a voter ID. If one person cannot be responsible enough to get an ID to use to vote, then they should NOT be able to vote.
Then why is it that it hasn't been a problem for years and years, but since we have had a black president that the Republicans have came up with this, Bunky. :rant:
All over the country only the Republicans governors have created this phony problem. :confused: It's to keep the black people from voting. :yes: :mad: You know damn well this is the case and you and your fellow Republicans will do anything possible to gain power and control of the American people. You people don't know what fair play and some day the American people will find out that the Republican party is on the same level as the Russian Communist Party and the Nazi party of Germany. You people will do anything to win, lie, cheat, creep, and if given all power kill. :yes: :behead: :trustme:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
Exactly why we need a voter ID. If one person cannot be responsible enough to get an ID to use to vote, then they should NOT be able to vote.
When have you not been required to show ID to vote?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
When have you not been required to show ID to vote?
Everywhere I have lived since I became of legal age to vote, I have had to show an ID to vote. So I'm not getting this claim. . .
PH, I never had to show any ID to vote until a few years ago and I have voted in every election except for two primaries since 1967. We just walked in, told them your name, signed the paper and voted. There was always someone working at the polling station that knew whoever came in to vote. It isn't like that anymore. When we first registured to vote, we had to go to the courthouse and show ID, proof of age and proof of address but that was it.
Quote from: The Troll on July 16, 2014, 01:53:54 PM
Then why is it that it hasn't been a problem for years and years, but since we have had a black president that the Republicans have came up with this, Bunky. :rant:
All over the country only the Republicans governors have created this phony problem. :confused: It's to keep the black people from voting. :yes: :mad: You know damn well this is the case and you and your fellow Republicans will do anything possible to gain power and control of the American people. You people don't know what fair play and some day the American people will find out that the Republican party is on the same level as the Russian Communist Party and the Nazi party of Germany. You people will do anything to win, lie, cheat, creep, and if given all power kill. :yes: :behead: :trustme:
How, exactly, is having to show an ID keeping anyone from voting?
Quote from: me on July 18, 2014, 11:57:26 PM
How, exactly, is having to show an ID keeping anyone from voting?
I was wondering the same thing. Sounds like someone thinks that black people can't get ID. I'm here to tell you...when I go to the BMV, there aren't only white people in there getting serviced. :shrug:
Quote from: pariann on July 19, 2014, 12:08:30 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Sounds like someone thinks that black people can't get ID. I'm here to tell you...when I go to the BMV, there aren't only white people in there getting serviced. :shrug:
Plus people need one to get food stamps, AFDC, WIC, a bank account, and numerous other things so I don't understand that the big problem is other than liberals making a big deal out of nothing to get people riled up.