Hobby Lobby Et AL - Decision

[The Troll]

  With the Catholic stand of no birth control The Mexicans and the people of South America are Catholic.   And they breed like cock roaches and  are now sending us their unwanted children.   

  There really seems something wrong about this.      George W. Bush started this damn thing of not sending them back right away.  Thanks George W., :ME: Henry and Anne still loves you.        Can't get any dumber that this. 

[me]

  You Republican Dingbats are bat shit crazy.  You don't have a Jesus bone in your foolish and simple minds and bodies. 

  Just where in your Bible that states that birth control is a sin.       Hell, the dumb asses back then didn't know anything about birth control.  Let us      FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do believe "Thou Shall Not Kill" pretty much covers it since that's what's happening, a fetus/baby is being killed. 

[Palehorse]

I do believe "Thou Shall Not Kill" pretty much covers it since that's what's happening, a fetus/baby is being killed.

Oh here we go; the last great act of desperation. Drag out that frayed, ragged, and dirty old straw man. . . 

Get out of the deep weeds and into reality why don't you?

[Henry Hawk]

So how about the fact that Catholicism forbids birth control in any way shape or form?

If a Catholic family owns their own business, and decides to hire outside help, they should NOT, repeat NOT be demanded by law to provide pills or devices that may cause the death of a human embryo.  That is directly against their religious beliefs.  The government cannot FORCE them to go against their religious beliefs, they are NOT shoving down their beliefs down anybodies throats, they just don't want to pay or provide something that those people can provide for themselves if they choose to...........

This is why the pilgrims moved over here....to escape tyranny.  It is another form of tyranny, imo.

For the LIFE of me, why is this so hard for you guys to see?  To say that a woman's rights are being violated is utter BULLSHIT.

What ever happened to being responsible for one's own self?  How is that government MUST supply this to EVERYONE in the first place?

[Palehorse]

If a Catholic family owns their own business, and decides to hire outside help, they should NOT, repeat NOT be demanded by law to provide pills or devices that may cause the death of a human embryo.  That is directly against their religious beliefs.  The government cannot FORCE them to go against their religious beliefs, they are NOT shoving down their beliefs down anybodies throats, they just don't want to pay or provide something that those people can provide for themselves if they choose to...........

This is why the pilgrims moved over here....to escape tyranny.  It is another form of tyranny, imo.

For the LIFE of me, why is this so hard for you guys to see?  To say that a woman's rights are being violated is utter BULLSHIT.

What ever happened to being responsible for one's own self?  How is that government MUST supply this to EVERYONE in the first place?

Catholicism forbids ANY form of birth control; even condoms and birth control pills. Use of birth control means one risks excommunication from the church. Period.  When they attempt the same thing Hobby Lobby did, it will mean the explicit denial of birth control coverage for all employees. It WILL happen.

You and "me" continue to focus on the emotional turmoil the propagandists WANT you focused upon, which blinds you to the bigger picture here and the reality of what that SCOTUS decision means to our nation as a whole; long term. The fact is birth control includes a LOT more than those 3-4 methods Hobby Lobby etc. object to. The mainstream attempts to defang the ramifications by focusing upon only those 3-4 methods, but the reality is that there are versions of Christianity that object to ALL birth control save for pulling out at the moment of truth during intercourse.

Part of that "Tyranny" you quote included the heavy handed Protestant Reformation Act, that attempted to create ONE religion that all were forced to comply with. This is the exact same thing this decision has placed us onto the path toward, and is the reason for the explicit requirement of the separation of church and state.

By the terms of our founding documents, if this government endorses any aspect of one religion, it must also endorse equally those of all others.

Why is it that so many do not see this? Have the 10-13 generations that have passed since religion last attempted to impose itself upon our government(s) served to eradicate the dangers and persecutions that transpired? Or perhaps it is truly just the fact that because the passage of time eliminates the memories of the trials and tribulations civilization and societies have endured; and thusly we see the root cause for the phrase, "history repeats itself"?

And in reply to your last question, how quickly everyone forgets the inequality in the level of health care that insurers not so long ago imposed upon women of this nation. It wasn't all that long ago that women were forced into higher premium, higher deductible health plans, compared to men, that made it fiscally impossible for them to get even the basic testing and services necessary to ensure their personal health. Birth control included.

I'm not making this stuff up. Do some research before you jump aboard that train hell-bent for a destination that makes socialism look like Romper Room.

Just shy of 200 years ago a serving justice of the SCOTUS defined corporations as "an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law." That was Chief Justice Marshall. And for almost 200 years that decision served as the precedent that ensured the security of our constitutional rights from the imposition of corporate Amerika, (And religion); but in one fell swoop just a few years ago, a modern day SCOTUS threw that decision into the toilet and brought us to a second decision yesterday that does the very same thing.

Corporations are not persons, and persons possess constitutionally guaranteed individual rights and protections. Corporations exist within the law, not life itself. They are not individuals and they most certainly are not persons.

[Henry Hawk]

Corporations are not persons, and persons possess constitutionally guaranteed individual rights and protections. Corporations exist within the law, not life itself. They are not individuals and they most certainly are not persons.

Corporations are formed for financial liability structures, concerns, and protections; not exclusion from values.  "People" own them. "People" have values.  Just because PEOPLE own a Corporation, does NOT mean they are exempt from our Constitution.

Corporations are NOT EVIL.  They can be, but in general, they are good.  They are part of all of our lives.  We depend on them.  If they cannot be subjected to personal values, then we will have REAL problems in this country.

[me]

There are mom and pop businesses that are incorporated for reasons like HH mentioned.  Corporations, including small businesses, are owned by people.  A corporation, large or small, is not an entity unto itself.  Without an owner it could not exist since the owner is the one who created it. 

[me]

Oh here we go; the last great act of desperation. Drag out that frayed, ragged, and dirty old straw man. . . 

Get out of the deep weeds and into reality why don't you?

Hey, Troll asked I just answered his question. 

  You Republican Dingbats are bat shit crazy.  You don't have a Jesus bone in your foolish and simple minds and bodies. 

Just where in your Bible that states that birth control is a sin.       Hell, the dumb asses back then didn't know anything about birth control.  Let us      FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bo D]

Hey, Troll asked I just answered his question.

Do you know the difference between "birth control" and abortion?

[Bo D]

There are mom and pop businesses that are incorporated for reasons like HH mentioned.  Corporations, including small businesses, are owned by people.  A corporation, large or small, is not an entity unto itself.  Without an owner it could not exist since the owner is the one who created it.

I have a friend named Harvey. I created him. He's very tall.

[me]

I have a friend named Harvey. I created him. He's very tall.

Then talk to him and maybe he can explain it to you.   

[Purplelady1040]

Okay, I have been reading everyone's comments on this. Let me say that I am Protestant who converted to Catholicism. Catholics do use birth control, they just don't go around announcing it to the world. I know I did and so have other Catholic females. As far as Mexicans and South American's being Catholic, that is true but there coming to America has nothing to do with George Bush, Bill Clinton, the last Bush or Obama. They come to America just like people did 100's of years ago for freedom and to make a better life. Go to any farms and you will find Mexicans working on it-why, because American's are too damn lazy to work on the farms or think they are too good to do that. My brother over saw some Mexicans who had come to Ky. to work on one of the farms and he said they worked harder than Americans ever did. Now before someone mentions that we probably hired them on our farm, no, my father never did because our farm wasn't big enough for that and he had my brothers, my mother, himself and I to do the work along with some other farmers he worked with. Personally, I don't think any company or government needs to be telling people what health care they should and shouldn't have. That should be left up to the individual. I am not for abortion and it has nothing to do with me being Protestant, Catholic or just being a stay home person who doesn't go to church. I just think that we have tons of people who would gladly adopt a child.

[Purplelady1040]

By the way, even though Catholicism is the main religion in Mexico and South America. Jewish and Muslim religion is also a huge religion in that area along with some other Christian religions.

[Palehorse]

Okay, I have been reading everyone's comments on this. Let me say that I am Protestant who converted to Catholicism. Catholics do use birth control, they just don't go around announcing it to the world. I know I did and so have other Catholic females. . .

I never said they do not use it. What I said that if the church knew it, they would excommunicate you. If one of the parishioners knows it, and decides they don't like you for some reason, they could tell the parish priests about it, and they could throw you out and ban you from any catholic church; worldwide.

I also converted at one time. If you are part of a Roman Catholic Parish you will be excommunicated from the church if they find out you are using birth control. There is no reason acceptable to the church for using it.

[Palehorse]

I have a friend named Harvey. I created him. He's very tall.

Exactly! 

Corporations are formed for financial liability structures, concerns, and protections; not exclusion from values.  "People" own them. "People" have values.  Just because PEOPLE own a Corporation, does NOT mean they are exempt from our Constitution.

. . .

People cannot "double dip" either. They maintain their individual constitutional rights/protections as individuals.

Moreover, just what qualifies you to over-rule a precedent setting ruling of the SCOTUS? Justice Marshall said that corporations are "an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law."

That makes them pretend.