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Hobby Lobby Et AL - Decision

Started by Locutus, June 29, 2014, 06:20:04 PM

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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 03:54:19 PM
And you call me ignorant?

Whoops! I screwed that whole post up!  :spooked:

but, yeah....I called YOU ignorant... :razz:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
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Palehorse

Quote from: Exterminator on June 30, 2014, 10:34:21 AM
And they did.

Now there's a fuggin surprise. . .  :roll eyes:

So now corporations primarily owned by 5 or less individuals (51% or more of the stock) can dictate what is or is not within their PERSONAL religious beliefs and impose them upon all employees of a company they own that majority stock within?   :confused:

I wonder how that is going to play with those conservative ass-hats when Sharia Law is imposed upon the employees within a US company that is majority owned by extremists?  :roll eyes:

Those idiots cannot see past their wallets!  :rant:

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Quote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
Now there's a fuggin surprise. . .  :roll eyes:

So now corporations primarily owned by 5 or less individuals (51% or more of the stock) can dictate what is or is not within their PERSONAL religious beliefs and impose them upon all employees of a company they own that majority stock within?   :confused:

I wonder how that is going to play with those conservative ass-hats when Sharia Law is imposed upon the employees within a US company that is majority owned by extremists?  :roll eyes:

Those idiots cannot see past their wallets!  :rant:

If you bother to check into it further you will find it is only 4 out of 20 which will not be covered and there are 16 more forms of birth control that will remain available to them.  It is not "all" forms of birth control only the ones that destroy an already fertilized egg the Hobby Lobby owners object to. 



QuoteHobby Lobby case: What birth control is affected?
Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY 6:21 p.m. EDT June 30, 2014


The Supreme Court decision in the Hobby Lobby case doesn't currently affect the birth control methods that are most commonly used. But Planned Parenthood Federation of America spokeswoman Justine Sessions says the decision "opens the door for other corporations to be able to opt out of providing any form of birth control."

It doesn't affect:

• Most birth control pills

• Condoms

• Sponges

• Sterilization

It does affect:

• Plan B "morning-after pill"

• Ella "morning-after pill"

• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)

The companies in the case and their supporters object to IUDs and morning-after pills, saying they cause abortions by blocking a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Groups that lobby for reproductive rights contend the drugs and devices prevent fertilization from occurring, which can lead to unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2014, 05:06:41 PM



THESE FIVE JUSTICES THAT UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION, WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT AND HAVE COMMON SENSE.  THAT IS WHAT THESE FIVE JUSTICES HAVE OVER THE OTHER FOUR LIBERAL MINDED, AGENDA DRIVEN JUDGES..............

THEY ARE NOT UNDERMINDING WOMEN, THAT IS ALL POLITICAL BULLSHIT.

THE PROPAGANDA BY THE LEFT ON THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CRIMINAL....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 08:00:28 AM
THE PROPAGANDA BY THE LEFT ON THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CRIMINAL....

And this is why civil war is imminent.  Time to clean the gene pool!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
And this is why civil war is imminent.  Time to clean the gene pool!

I couldn't agree with you more, that the gene pool is very tarnished.....

The SCOTUS got it right! 
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

In my experience, anyone I've ever heard preach the evils of abortion most likely should have been one.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
In my experience, anyone I've ever heard preach the evils of abortion most likely should have been one.

True that! 
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
In my experience, anyone I've ever heard preach the evils of abortion most likely should have been one.

and that is your right to believe that, because we have a constitution....and we have a First Amendment of the Constitution that says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

it is all pretty simple, and yet the liberals are trying there best to make this something it isn't.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
and that is your right to believe that, because we have a constitution....and we have a First Amendment of the Constitution that says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

As Palehorse adeptly pointed out, just remember your support when Muslim business owners start inflicting Sharia law onto their employees.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2014, 01:57:08 PM
As Palehorse adeptly pointed out, just remember your support when Muslim business owners start inflicting Sharia law onto their employees.
Apples and oranges dude.

This ruling only applies to family owned business and closely-held corporations....If Muslims own a closely-held corporation, then they should have some sort of say on what or government tries to force them to do, if it goes directly against their beliefs.  Nobody forces anyone to work at these business' as long as people know up front before they are hired.

Hobby Lobby has only objected to providing four of the 20 required contraceptives by Obamacare.........this is NOT an assault on women by any , WAY, SHAPE or FORM........it is pure propaganda at its finest.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2014, 02:22:33 PM
Apples and oranges dude.

Not apples and oranges at all.  People like you only scream about religious freedom when it's convenient for you and when it's your bullshit story about an invisible man living in the sky.  As soon as it's someone else's it's a totally different situation.  Personally, I see no real difference between you and the jihadists or any other radical group.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Think what you will,

you lost: get over it   ;)

The Constitution still works they way or forefathers INTENDED it to work. 
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

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QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2014, 05:06:41 PM

    Now there's a fuggin surprise. . .  :roll eyes:

    So now corporations primarily owned by 5 or less individuals (51% or more of the stock) can dictate what is or is not within their PERSONAL religious beliefs and impose them upon all employees of a company they own that majority stock within?   :confused:

    I wonder how that is going to play with those conservative ass-hats when Sharia Law is imposed upon the employees within a US company that is majority owned by extremists?  :roll eyes:

    Those idiots cannot see past their wallets!  :rant:

If you bother to check into it further you will find it is only 4 out of 20 which will not be covered and there are 16 more forms of birth control that will remain available to them.  It is not "all" forms of birth control only the ones that destroy an already fertilized egg the Hobby Lobby owners object to.





   
QuoteHobby Lobby case: What birth control is affected?
    Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY 6:21 p.m. EDT June 30, 2014


    The Supreme Court decision in the Hobby Lobby case doesn't currently affect the birth control methods that are most commonly used. But Planned Parenthood Federation of America spokeswoman Justine Sessions says the decision "opens the door for other corporations to be able to opt out of providing any form of birth control." 

    It doesn't affect:


    • Most birth control pills

    • Condoms

    • Sponges

    • Sterilization

   It does affect:

    • Plan B "morning-after pill"

    • Ella "morning-after pill"

    • Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)

    The companies in the case and their supporters object to IUDs and morning-after pills, saying they cause abortions by blocking a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Groups that lobby for reproductive rights contend the drugs and devices prevent fertilization from occurring, which can lead to unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/
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