http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97208
Who cares?
I think the better question here is WHY?...for WHAT reason should OUR government WANT to have a gps coordinate for EVERY American?....Other than to monitor anybody they choose.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 11:21:21 AM
Who cares?
Really!!!! Any idiot with half a brain can just load up Google Earth and get the precise GPS coordinates of any house in the world. In fact, it is so precise you can get the coordinates of your mailbox at the end of the driveway and compare them to the coordinates of your front door.
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 12:22:23 PM
Really!!!! Any idiot with half a brain can just load up Google Earth and get the precise GPS coordinates of any house in the world. In fact, it is so precise you can get the coordinates of your mailbox at the end of the driveway and compare them to the coordinates of your front door.
Yep!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:21:35 PM
I think the better question here is WHY?...for WHAT reason should OUR government WANT to have a gps coordinate for EVERY American?....Other than to monitor anybody they choose.
A little paranoid are we?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:21:35 PM
I think the better question here is WHY?...for WHAT reason should OUR government WANT to have a gps coordinate for EVERY American?....Other than to monitor anybody they choose.
Hank ... slow down.
How can anyone get a GPS coordinate for "EVERY American" unless they implant little transmitters in everybody's neck?
The article is talking about coordinates for houses, not people.
And how can you "monitor" anyone with the GPS coordinate of a house?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 12:29:16 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:21:35 PM
I think the better question here is WHY?...for WHAT reason should OUR government WANT to have a gps coordinate for EVERY American?....Other than to monitor anybody they choose.
A little paranoid are we?
I think it is a fair question....also, WHY is Acorn the choice, to "partnere" with the Census Bureau?
Paranoid...NO.. :no:..Concerned...YES! :yes:
It's pretty funny to see the same freaks who defended Bush's warrantless wiretaps worried about collecting GPS coordinates during a census.
It's part of the GWOT, Henry; go back to sleep.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:33:28 PM
I think it is a fair question....also, WHY is Acorn the choice, to "partnere" with the Census Bureau?
Paranoid...NO.. :no:..Concerned...YES! :yes:
ACORN is one of hundreds of "National Partners" — along with Delta Airlines, FedEx, the AFL-CIO and General Mills — who agreed to provide free advertising and other services. ACORN signed on last month and
was a partner for the 2000 census, the bureau said.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_616954.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_616954.html)
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:21:35 PM
I think the better question here is WHY?...for WHAT reason should OUR government WANT to have a gps coordinate for EVERY American?....Other than to monitor anybody they choose.
Hank ... slow down.
How can anyone get a GPS coordinate for "EVERY American" unless they implant little transmitters in everybody's neck?
The article is talking about coordinates for houses, not people.
And how can you "monitor" anyone with the GPS coordinate of a house?
Okay, let me re-phrase...Obama wants a GPS mark..."within 40 ft of every front door" in America and they are supposed to complete that mission nation wide, within 90 days, by the end of July 2009....
Don't you think this should be ...discussed?...maybe they should SLOW down a tad on this....what authority does HE have to "paint" the front door of every American Home?....Shouldn't the ACLU be concerned about our civil liberties?...
I really don't know WHAT to think about it....other than I think it is another opportunity for govenrment to 'control' it's citizens.
I know you guys LIKE this guy...but, He seems to be in WAY too big of hurry to do something that
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 12:38:11 PM
It's pretty funny to see the same freaks who defended Bush's warrantless wiretaps worried about collecting GPS coordinates during a census.
It's part of the GWOT, Henry; go back to sleep.
I also find pretty funny THOSE of you who FREAKED out because of Bush's Wiretaps...seem to think this is an okay thing?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:41:16 PMwhat authority does HE have to "paint" the front door of every American Home?...
First, let me ask what you think "paint the front door" means?
And remember, I can sit here without ever leaving my chair and "paint" your front door, your back door, your mailbox, that picnic table in your back yard, etc., etc.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 12:38:11 PM
It's pretty funny to see the same freaks who defended Bush's warrantless wiretaps worried about collecting GPS coordinates during a census.
It's part of the GWOT, Henry; go back to sleep.
I also find pretty funny THOSE of you who FREAKED out because of Bush's Wiretaps...seem to think this is an okay thing?
Your address is public domain. Your telephone conversations are not.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
Okay, let me re-phrase...Obama wants a GPS mark...
Ah, so that's the real problem...this president, whom you hate despite claiming you'll keep an open mind and wait to see how he performs (bullshit), wants to do something so it must automatically be wrong.
I know it flies in the face of your tin-hat conspiracy theory and what not but is it possible that capturing the location of the information as it's entered improves the accuracy of the survey?
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:41:16 PMwhat authority does HE have to "paint" the front door of every American Home?...
First, let me ask what you think "paint the front door" means?
And remember, I can sit here without ever leaving my chair and "paint" your front door, your back door, your mailbox, that picnic table in your back yard, etc., etc.
I know what it means....but WHY?....I can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing....but WHAT good thing can there be, that our Government needs to spend ...boo koo dollars on in the next 90 days?...
All I am asking is WHY?
You guys give me the warm fuzzies on this will ya?...clue me in.. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:57:02 PMI can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing....
Well then, spit 'em out. Let's hear them.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
Okay, let me re-phrase...Obama wants a GPS mark...
Ah, so that's the real problem...this president, whom you hate despite claiming you'll keep an open mind and wait to see how he performs (bullshit), wants to do something so it must automatically be wrong.
I know it flies in the face of you tin-hat conspiracy theory and what not but is it possible that capturing the location of the information as it's entered improves the accuracy of the survey?
first of all....I dont HATE this President...but, he does have an ideology that I oppose...so, it is very HARD for me to get excited about SOME issues that I think are BAD for the country.
I WILL ALWAYS question him, until He can make a believer out of me.....I simply WANT what is best for this Country and MY Family.....since, I think there are better ways to acheive it....I WILL be very skeptical.
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:57:02 PMI can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing....
Well then, spit 'em out. Let's hear them.
NOPE, I aske you first!...Tell me WHAT good things that our Government has the reason to do this?....I'm being quite serious Bo...patronize me...and TELL ME.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:59:41 PM
first of all....I dont HATE this President...
A huge BULLSHIT!
Quote...but, he does have an ideology that I oppose...so, it is very HARD for me to get excited about SOME issues that I think are BAD for the country.
Blah, blah, blah...because Rush or some other right-wing idealogue fruitcake told you to think that.
QuoteI WILL ALWAYS question him, until He can make a believer out of me.....I simply WANT what is best for this Country and MY Family.....since, I think there are better ways to acheive it....I WILL be very skeptical.
I figure that as long as whatever he's doing pisses people like you off, it's gotta be good.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:59:41 PM
first of all....I dont HATE this President...
A huge BULLSHIT!
Quote...but, he does have an ideology that I oppose...so, it is very HARD for me to get excited about SOME issues that I think are BAD for the country.
Blah, blah, blah...because Rush or some other right-wing idealogue fruitcake told you to think that.
QuoteI WILL ALWAYS question him, until He can make a believer out of me.....I simply WANT what is best for this Country and MY Family.....since, I think there are better ways to acheive it....I WILL be very skeptical.
I figure that as long as whatever he's doing pisses people like you off, it's gotta be good.
That is a fact...I may not like him...but I really don't like the word HATE towards him...that is fact
Secondly, I have had MY own opinion on politics, since Ronald Reagan...He was the one who drew my attention into the political arena..and though I do sometimes listen to Rush and Hannity...I read and listen to many other souces...including my liberal buddies right here in the ZONE...btw, I do NOT always agree with 'republicans'....I like what many libertarians have to say also....
and Thirdly, Obama pissing me off and my ilk....may be the BEST thing that has happened to this country since winning WWII...because, people ARE waking up, and beginning to pay attention to what is happening to this country...and...THERE WILL be some serious changes coming up very soon...that WILL be for the GOOD.. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:15:18 PM
...because, people ARE waking up, and beginning to pay attention to what is happening to this country...and...THERE WILL be some serious changes coming up very soon...that WILL be for the GOOD.. ;)
That's already happened. People woke up and realized that if they took a laissez faire attitude toward the political system and didn't vote, dumb people could vote in a dumb president like Bush.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:15:18 PM
...because, people ARE waking up, and beginning to pay attention to what is happening to this country...and...THERE WILL be some serious changes coming up very soon...that WILL be for the GOOD.. ;)
That's already happened. People woke up and realized that if they took a laissez faire attitude toward the political system and didn't vote, dumb people could vote in a dumb president like Bush.
If you want to consider the Oprah crowd the Intellect crowd...then, well okay then.
let's get back on topic....that seems to be your tactic....is to attack on a different issue to avoid the topic at hand..
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:57:02 PMI can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing....
Well then, spit 'em out. Let's hear them.
NOPE, I aske you first!...Tell me WHAT good things that our Government has the reason to do this?....I'm being quite serious Bo...patronize me...and TELL ME.
Nope. You made a vague reference "I can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing...." and then asked me to get specific. That's a little bass-ackwards isn't it?
OK. I'll play your little game ....
"By taking advantage of no long-form requirements for the 2010 Census, coupled with access to current data from the ACS for targeting areas requiring special attention to improve coverage, the
potential cost and accuracy of the 2010 short-form-only census can be greatly improved. Add to this the availability of a fully GPS-aligned MAF/TIGER system allowing for a
dramatic reduction in field infrastructure costs resulting mostly from a
near elimination of paper and the huge staff and space required to handle that paper, we have the potential to completely restructure the data collection, data capture and data processing of Census 2010. This will result in a census that is more focused on coverage issues,
less operationally risky and less costly. "
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2002/2_4_02Waite.html (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2002/2_4_02Waite.html)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:29:24 PM
If you want to consider the Oprah crowd the Intellect crowd...then, well okay then.
She has built a multi-billion dollar empire; have you?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
let's get back on topic....that seems to be your tactic....is to attack on a different issue to avoid the topic at hand..
Ok, back to the topic at hand...your nut-job paranoia.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
let's get back on topic....that seems to be your tactic....is to attack on a different issue to avoid the topic at hand..
Ok, back to the topic at hand...your nut-job paranoia.
and you refuse to answer ONE of my questions.... :no:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 01:33:56 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:29:24 PM
If you want to consider the Oprah crowd the Intellect crowd...then, well okay then.
She has built a multi-billion dollar empire; have you?
So Big DEAL....so did Michael Jackson...what is your point?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
let's get back on topic....that seems to be your tactic....is to attack on a different issue to avoid the topic at hand..
Ok, back to the topic at hand...your nut-job paranoia.
and you refuse to answer ONE of my questions.... :no:
I don't recall your having asked any question with merit...what was it again?
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 12:57:02 PMI can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing....
Well then, spit 'em out. Let's hear them.
NOPE, I aske you first!...Tell me WHAT good things that our Government has the reason to do this?....I'm being quite serious Bo...patronize me...and TELL ME.
Nope. You made a vague reference "I can think of several reasons WHY it 'could possibly' be a BAD thing...." and then asked me to get specific. That's a little bass-ackwards isn't it?
OK. I'll play your little game ....
"By taking advantage of no long-form requirements for the 2010 Census, coupled with access to current data from the ACS for targeting areas requiring special attention to improve coverage, the potential cost and accuracy of the 2010 short-form-only census can be greatly improved. Add to this the availability of a fully GPS-aligned MAF/TIGER system allowing for a dramatic reduction in field infrastructure costs resulting mostly from a near elimination of paper and the huge staff and space required to handle that paper, we have the potential to completely restructure the data collection, data capture and data processing of Census 2010. This will result in a census that is more focused on coverage issues, less operationally risky and less costly. "
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2002/2_4_02Waite.html (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2002/2_4_02Waite.html)
I'm NOT playing a game Bo...I wanted YOUR opinion....not a copied and past reason....from the census bureau..
and the reason CB gave is a bogus reason to do this in the next 90 days...
Guys, again, I will rephrase my question.....WHY do you think this is a valid thing to do?....do you not see potential harm, from a too powerful Government?...maybe this does not have enough "merit" for you Ex...it seems like you always have your little ways to dodge any direct question you don't want to answer.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:43:55 PM
I'm NOT playing a game Bo...I wanted YOUR opinion....not a copied and past reason....from the census bureau..
Why not copy and paste from the Census Bureau site? I happen to agree with every word.
especially "less costly."
Your turn!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:43:55 PM
Guys, again, I will rephrase my question.....WHY do you think this is a valid thing to do?
Because it increases the accuracy of the survey.
Quote....do you not see potential harm, from a too powerful Government?...
In addition to BoD havingpointed out to you about a million times now that this information is available through Google Earth, every property has a survey filed with its county or township assessor's office that includes the logitudinal and latitudinal coordinates for that property. Where is the 'potential harm' from the government collecting information to which they already have access?
Quote...maybe this does not have enough "merit" for you Ex...it seems like you always have your little ways to dodge any direct question you don't want to answer.
I answered your question; it just seems like you have a way of ignoring the answer if it doesn't fit your little whack-job rant.
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 01:43:55 PM
I'm NOT playing a game Bo...I wanted YOUR opinion....not a copied and past reason....from the census bureau..
Why not copy and paste from the Census Bureau site? I happen to agree with every word.
especially "less costly."
Your turn!
It may be on the up and up....but to rush into doing this within a 90 day period...is never a good thing...but one thing, I don't particulary want big bro being able to see when I'm leaving and when I'm home..this HAS a lot of potential to violate privacy.....are not you guys bent out of shape because Gov wanted to listen to phone conversations?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
It may be on the up and up....but to rush into doing this within a 90 day period...is never a good thing...
Why is being in a hurry to save money a bad thing?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PMbut one thing, I don't particulary want big bro being able to see when I'm leaving and when I'm home..this HAS a lot of potential to violate privacy
I ask you again!!!!!!!! How does a GPS coordinate allow ANYONE to "see when I'm leaving and when I'm home" ? ? ? ? ?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
.....are not you guys bent out of shape because Gov wanted to listen to phone conversations?
Off topic.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
It may be on the up and up....but to rush into doing this within a 90 day period...is never a good thing...but one thing, I don't particulary want big bro being able to see when I'm leaving and when I'm home..this HAS a lot of potential to violate privacy.....
Your privacy ends when you walk out into public. If big bro wants to see when you leave and come home, he can sit in the street in front of your house and watch you and there's nothing you can do about it.
Quote...are not you guys bent out of shape because Gov wanted to listen to phone conversations?
You seriously don't understand the difference?
Don't they already have satellites that can do that? Am I paranoid?
Quote from: Bo D on May 06, 2009, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
It may be on the up and up....but to rush into doing this within a 90 day period...is never a good thing...
Why is being in a hurry to save money a bad thing?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PMbut one thing, I don't particulary want big bro being able to see when I'm leaving and when I'm home..this HAS a lot of potential to violate privacy
I ask you again!!!!!!!! How does a GPS coordinate allow ANYONE to “see when I'm leaving and when I'm home” ? ? ? ? ?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
.....are not you guys bent out of shape because Gov wanted to listen to phone conversations?
Off topic.
very much ON topic Bo...heck we can go on google and get a somewhat picture of anyplace in teh world...but it is not real time...
Now, you know darn well our gov has access to real time "google earth' technology...I'm sure much better....now, all they have to do is zoom in on anyone they want....and gather ANY info they want, without you or I knowing about it.
It is very much the same topic....but much worse.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:26:13 PM
very much ON topic Bo...heck we can go on google and get a somewhat picture of anyplace in teh world...but it is not real time...
Now, you know darn well our gov has access to real time "google earth' technology...I'm sure much better....now, all they have to do is zoom in on anyone they want....and gather ANY info they want, without you or I knowing about it.
It is very much the same topic....but much worse.
You're wasting your time, Bo.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:26:13 PM
very much ON topic Bo...heck we can go on google and get a somewhat picture of anyplace in teh world...but it is not real time...
Now, you know darn well our gov has access to real time "google earth' technology...I'm sure much better....now, all they have to do is zoom in on anyone they want....and gather ANY info they want, without you or I knowing about it.
It is very much the same topic....but much worse.
You're wasting your time, Bo.
Let Bo decide....who is wasting who's time..
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2009, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:26:13 PM
very much ON topic Bo...heck we can go on google and get a somewhat picture of anyplace in teh world...but it is not real time...
Now, you know darn well our gov has access to real time "google earth' technology...I'm sure much better....now, all they have to do is zoom in on anyone they want....and gather ANY info they want, without you or I knowing about it.
It is very much the same topic....but much worse.
You're wasting your time, Bo.
Let Bo decide....who is wasting who's time..
Honestly, anyone who sees the government having access to the GPS coordinates to his home (that they've had anyway since before there was GPS) as more intrusive than the government listening to his phone calls is beyond having a rational discussion with. :no:
I'd worry about if they can zoom in with heat sensors and see what position I might be in at the moment in my house. :eek:
I still wanna know if I'm paranoid.
Quote from: pariann on May 06, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
I'd worry about if they can zoom in with heat sensors and see what position I might be in at the moment in my house. :eek:
They can but why would they?
QuoteI still wanna know if I'm paranoid.
Yes.
LOL.....hey, I've heard that just because I think they are out to get me, doesn't mean they aren't!!
And why would they? For grins and giggles....to kill time....because they are bored. They'd still be bored if they chose my house though.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:40:22 PM
Let Bo decide....who is wasting who's time..
I am wasting my time as long as I answer your questions but you refuse to answer mine.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 02:26:13 PM
very much ON topic Bo...heck we can go on google and get a somewhat picture of anyplace in teh world...but it is not real time...
Now, you know darn well our gov has access to real time "google earth' technology...I'm sure much better....now, all they have to do is zoom in on anyone they want....and gather ANY info they want, without you or I knowing about it.
It is very much the same topic....but much worse.
And what is the world does that have to do with the census and GPS technology? As EX pointed out before, the government already has the GPS coordinates on file with the deed to your house. And AGAIN, the GPS coordinates the census will gather is the location of your house, NOT YOU OR ANY PERSON!!!!!!
Now can you just settle down and list some legitimate concerns with the Census Bureau knowing the location of your house?
Quote from: pariann on May 06, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
I'd worry about if they can zoom in with heat sensors and see what position I might be in at the moment in my house. :eek:
I still wanna know if I'm paranoid.
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;) :biggrin:
Just as an offsides to this discussion, I don't answer anything on the census except how many people live in my house. It's none of their freaking business.
Quote from: Gardengirl on May 06, 2009, 04:04:18 PM
Just as an offsides to this discussion, I don't answer anything on the census except how many people live in my house. It's none of their freaking business.
Not to worry, they can find out anything they want to know about you from Lexis-Nexis.
Exactly, so why answer the Census, then?
Quote from: Gardengirl on May 06, 2009, 04:12:50 PM
Exactly, so why answer the Census, then?
If you refuse to give out the information or you deliberately give inaccurate information, you can be in legal trouble. According to United States Code, Title 13 (Census), Chapter 7 (Offenses and Penalties), SubChapter II, if you're over 18 and refuse to answer all or part of the Census, you can be fined up to $100. If you give false answers, you're subject to a fine of up to $500. If you offer suggestions or information with the "intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population," you are subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to a year in prison, or both. Here's the official verbiage:
221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
* (a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
* (b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
* (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.
Sec. 222. Giving suggestions or information with intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population
Whoever, either directly or indirectly, offers or renders to any officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof engaged in making an enumeration of population under subchapter II, IV, or V of chapter 5 of this title, any suggestion, advice, information or assistance of any kind, with the intent or purpose of causing an inaccurate enumeration of population to be made, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
:busted: :behead: :hanged: :jail:
heh heh heh :biggrin:
However...since the actual Census is not due to be taken until 2010....nobody is asking for any information today....They are only GPS marking your front door today, and Sec. 223, Title 13, U.S. Code, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2 provides the Fed NO authority to GPS paint your front door.
Two words.. Google Earth
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 06, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
Two words.. Google Earth
He just likes to bitch. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 07, 2009, 07:10:30 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 06, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
Two words.. Google Earth
He just likes to bitch. :rolleyes:
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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Breaks me up. LOL
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 05:15:13 PM
They are only GPS marking your front door today, and Sec. 223, Title 13, U.S. Code, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2 provides the Fed NO authority to GPS paint your front door.
Yet I can "mark" or "paint" your front door all I want.
What color would you like?
:biggrin:
Quote from: mcgonser on May 07, 2009, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 07, 2009, 07:10:30 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 06, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
Two words.. Google Earth
He just likes to bitch. :rolleyes:
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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Breaks me up. LOL
Calling you a bitch is not the same as bitching. :biggrin:
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Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 05:15:13 PM
They are only GPS marking your front door today, and Sec. 223, Title 13, U.S. Code, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2 provides the Fed NO authority to GPS paint your front door.
Yet I can "mark" or "paint" your front door all I want.
What color would you like?
:biggrin:
your choice....it don't cost me anything when YOU do it....but it will cost me when Uncle Sam does it....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
your choice....it don't cost me anything when YOU do it....but it will cost me when Uncle Sam does it....
Let us all know how much your taxes are increased as a result. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 05:15:13 PM
They are only GPS marking your front door today, and Sec. 223, Title 13, U.S. Code, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2 provides the Fed NO authority to GPS paint your front door.
Yet I can "mark" or "paint" your front door all I want.
What color would you like?
:biggrin:
your choice....it don't cost me anything when YOU do it....but it will cost me when Uncle Sam does it....
No ... it will SAVE money.
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2009, 05:15:13 PM
They are only GPS marking your front door today, and Sec. 223, Title 13, U.S. Code, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2 provides the Fed NO authority to GPS paint your front door.
Yet I can "mark" or "paint" your front door all I want.
What color would you like?
:biggrin:
your choice....it don't cost me anything when YOU do it....but it will cost me when Uncle Sam does it....
No ... it will SAVE money.
How exactly will it SAVE money? Because they said it would?....This is going to be a huge expense during an economic trumoil....
Maybe I DO need a tinfoil hat....but this bird is very, very suspect of this....time will tell.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 01:12:28 PM
How exactly will it SAVE money? Because they said it would?....This is going to be a huge expense during an economic trumoil....
Maybe I DO need a tinfoil hat....but this bird is very, very suspect of this....time will tell.
Henry, I am getting ready to give up on you. You refuse to read or believe anything that you don't agree with.
"near elimination of paper and the huge staff and space required to handle that paper"
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 01:12:28 PM
How exactly will it SAVE money? Because they said it would?....This is going to be a huge expense during an economic trumoil....
Maybe I DO need a tinfoil hat....but this bird is very, very suspect of this....time will tell.
Henry, I am getting ready to give up on you. You refuse to read or believe anything that you don't agree with.
"near elimination of paper and the huge staff and space required to handle that paper"
I understand what they said...but HOW?...by placing the GPS's....will THEY be able to accomplish this?....Just a question, I'm not trying to be facetious....It is not that I refuse to believe this....I don't understand HOW they will accomplish this without adding MORE steps to this GPS system.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 01:12:28 PM
How exactly will it SAVE money? Because they said it would?....This is going to be a huge expense during an economic trumoil....
Maybe I DO need a tinfoil hat....but this bird is very, very suspect of this....time will tell.
Henry, I am getting ready to give up on you. You refuse to read or believe anything that you don't agree with.
"near elimination of paper and the huge staff and space required to handle that paper"
I understand what they said...but HOW?...by placing the GPS's....will THEY be able to accomplish this?....Just a question, I'm not trying to be facetious....It is not that I refuse to believe this....I don't understand HOW they will accomplish this without adding MORE steps to this GPS system.
The census takers don't place a GPS unit at each house and leave it there. They will be carrying GPS-enabled information input devices with them and punching a button to record the current location and attach that information to the census data for that address. All census data for that location is then electronically saved along with the GPS data and then uploaded to a central database.
No paper is produced. No paper is stored.
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 01:12:28 PM
How exactly will it SAVE money? Because they said it would?....This is going to be a huge expense during an economic trumoil....
Maybe I DO need a tinfoil hat....but this bird is very, very suspect of this....time will tell.
Henry, I am getting ready to give up on you. You refuse to read or believe anything that you don't agree with.
"near elimination of paper and the huge staff and space required to handle that paper"
I understand what they said...but HOW?...by placing the GPS's....will THEY be able to accomplish this?....Just a question, I'm not trying to be facetious....It is not that I refuse to believe this....I don't understand HOW they will accomplish this without adding MORE steps to this GPS system.
The census takers don't place a GPS unit at each house and leave it there. They will be carrying GPS-enabled information input devices with them and punching a button to record the current location and attach that information to the census data for that address. All census data for that location is then electronically saved along with the GPS data and then uploaded to a central database.
No paper is produced. No paper is stored.
Now THAT sounds reasonable.....I am becoming cautiously optimistic...I still need to chew on this and see how this developes....before I jump on this bandwagon.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 02:49:17 PM
Now THAT sounds reasonable.....I am becoming cautiously optimistic...I still need to chew on this and see how this developes....before I jump on this bandwagon.
I
knew you were a reasonable person!
Thanks!
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 02:49:17 PM
Now THAT sounds reasonable.....I am becoming cautiously optimistic...I still need to chew on this and see how this developes....before I jump on this bandwagon.
I knew you were a reasonable person!
Thanks!
I'm betting he'll be right back where we started by tomorrow...I mean, everyone knows that the use of technology costs far more than the efficiencies gained are worth; right?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 07, 2009, 03:00:20 PM
I'm betting he'll be right back where we started by tomorrow...I mean, everyone knows that the use of technology costs far more than the efficiencies gained are worth; right?
I give the old Hawk a bit more credit than that. I mean after all, aren't we all just a bunch of old, hard-headed farts?
But this reminds me of an old boss who refused to store his documents in a shared folder on the network. He would type up a document, print it out, and then give the paper to me to edit it for him. Or even worse, tell me to print it on letterhead.
:rant: :rant: :rant:
I am ALL for technology....THAT is part of my industry....It is keeping my family fed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 03:15:35 PM
I am ALL for technology....THAT is part of my industry....It is keeping my family fed.
Well that's really all we're talking about here.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 07, 2009, 03:15:35 PM
I am ALL for technology....THAT is part of my industry....It is keeping my family fed.
Really? I tend to feed my family food. What are you raising over there? A bunch of Wall-E's?
The census takers don't place a GPS unit at each house and leave it there. They will be carrying GPS-enabled information input devices with them and punching a button to record the current location and attach that information to the census data for that address. All census data for that location is then electronically saved along with the GPS data and then uploaded to a central database.
No paper is produced. No paper is stored.
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Way tooooo big brotherish to suit me! JMO
Quote from: mcgonser on May 07, 2009, 04:40:21 PM
Way tooooo big brotherish to suit me! JMO
Did you feel that way when all the information was first stored on paper and then transcribed to the computer?
Quote from: Bo D on May 07, 2009, 04:50:04 PM
Did you feel that way when all the information was first stored on paper and then transcribed to the computer?
I don't think she thinks those things that far through. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on May 07, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
I don't think she thinks
FIFY
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Well, if Henry's gonna drop this ball, I'll pick it up and give it another toss: I can buy into the "near elimination of paper", but elimination of the "huge staff"-I won't bet the farm on that. The "staff" is a bunch of political insiders, drones, if you will, but still a part of the political machine. They are the sons, nieces, and idiot brothers-in-law of well-entrenched government bureaucrats, many of whom have fed out of the public trough for generations. These hooked-up leeches aren't going to lose their jobs; that's for saps like us. They'll get transferred to other assignments in the public sector-- some probably with new titles and more benefits, and eventually they'll find cushy little spots at the trough for their own leechy offspring. That's the way the system works-- or fails to work, if you will, and all the talk about "change" in the world isn't going to change it.
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 07, 2009, 06:42:06 PMThe "staff" is a bunch of political insiders, drones, if you will, but still a part of the political machine. They are the sons, nieces, and idiot brothers-in-law of well-entrenched government bureaucrats, many of whom have fed out of the public trough for generations.
That may have been true in the past, but not so much this time. A friend of mine, laid off from Merrill-Lynch for several months, recently got a job with the Census Bureau. For eleven and a half bucks an hour, plus mileage, she goes to houses to see if the people listed on the last Census still live there. I said, "That's stupid. Why don't you get a cross-directory and pick up the phone?" She shrugged and told me, "It's the government. Go figger."
Anyway, it's the only job offer she has had, at 52 years old, so she took it. She thinks of it like the CCC or WPA, make work, but what-the-hay, it's a paycheck. Although she says she would rather be fixing railroad tracks to bring back passenger service, so long as the gubmint is funding jobs.
It is endemic in the system that we, the American people, have created.
If we "throw the bums out," a new set of bums will come in to replace them.
One person's pork is another person's job.
When one is a "hooked-up leech," he/she (if wise) keeps his/her mouth shut and enjoys the situation.
Kinda like (in the private sector) being the son (or a good friend) of the boss.
So, what's new? (Besides the rest of us being damn tired of not being "hooked up"?)
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
I know I'm tired of not being hooked up. My mother works for the Federal government and has for over 30 years. My 2nd daughter works for the state, (for the last year). I can't even find a freaking job.
Nothing's new, FTW; S.O.S., different day. But I guess all the change we've been told to expect isn't going to include any change from the old political spoils system. I imagine the ancient Romans had to deal with it too. Nepotism probably has its roots in the Latin language.
Nothing is done politically without the "due bills" being paid or created at the same time.
No matter how well-intentioned the elected official is, the system remakes them to suit the demand of the constituents -- "We want something for our state/district -- create jobs or something for us!"
Hence, the elected official looks for the trade-offs with other elected officials to provide those "somethings" for each other's constituents.
Voila! PORK!!
If someone would explain to me how the game could realistically be played any other way, I would weep with joy. :yes: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 07, 2009, 06:42:06 PM
Well, if Henry's gonna drop this ball, I'll pick it up and give it another toss: I can buy into the "near elimination of paper", but elimination of the "huge staff"-I won't bet the farm on that. The "staff" is a bunch of political insiders, drones, if you will, but still a part of the political machine. They are the sons, nieces, and idiot brothers-in-law of well-entrenched government bureaucrats, many of whom have fed out of the public trough for generations. These hooked-up leeches aren't going to lose their jobs; that's for saps like us. They'll get transferred to other assignments in the public sector-- some probably with new titles and more benefits, and eventually they'll find cushy little spots at the trough for their own leechy offspring. That's the way the system works-- or fails to work, if you will, and all the talk about "change" in the world isn't going to change it.
I'm not really dropping the ball PA....I AM ALL for becoming MORE efficient....and I am extremely SKEPTICAL of this Congress and it's Leadership.....and it is a FACT...that Gov does NOT do anything efficient..
The most interesting word in your statment is "this"..as if past government didn't require scrutiny or skepticism. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 07, 2009, 06:42:06 PM
Well, if Henry's gonna drop this ball, I'll pick it up and give it another toss: I can buy into the "near elimination of paper", but elimination of the "huge staff"-I won't bet the farm on that. The "staff" is a bunch of political insiders, drones, if you will, but still a part of the political machine. They are the sons, nieces, and idiot brothers-in-law of well-entrenched government bureaucrats, many of whom have fed out of the public trough for generations. These hooked-up leeches aren't going to lose their jobs; that's for saps like us. They'll get transferred to other assignments in the public sector-- some probably with new titles and more benefits, and eventually they'll find cushy little spots at the trough for their own leechy offspring. That's the way the system works-- or fails to work, if you will, and all the talk about "change" in the world isn't going to change it.
I think that depends on your definition of "staff." If you mean management positions, I agree with you.
But I don't think that's true for the grunts who are hired to push all that paper around and the data entry clerks. In fact, a great majority of those jobs are farmed out to private contractors.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 08, 2009, 09:06:04 AM
and it is a FACT...that Gov does NOT do anything efficient..
That's a strong statement. I question you use of the word "fact." You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make it a fact.
In fact, I can think of one thing that government has always done very efficiently!
Spend our money!
Quote from: Bo D on May 08, 2009, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 08, 2009, 09:06:04 AM
and it is a FACT...that Gov does NOT do anything efficient..
That's a strong statement. I question you use of the word "fact." You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make it a fact.
In fact, I can think of one thing that government has always done very efficiently!
Spend our money!
your are right!!!... :yes:..keep on me BO.. ;)..I'm TRYING to take it to the next level here... :)....FACT is a strong word......although, I think it is not a stretch to use it in the content that I did. :razz:
Henry: I think you could of said that history and experience has shown that the goverment (mostly the house and senate) do not manage money at all well. LOL
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 08, 2009, 09:13:50 AM
The most interesting word in your statment is "this"..as if past government didn't require scrutiny or skepticism. :rolleyes:
of course the do or did...and honestly the was.....but, I think, it is the timing as much as anything....with the bailouts and such going on.....these guys are under the magnifying glass more than ever.....and for me personally, it was remarks like Pelosi made...claiming she was going to run the most ethical and effecient goverment ever...and now THIS.
Quote from: mcgonser on May 08, 2009, 09:47:23 AM
Henry: I think you could of said that history and experience has shown that the goverment (mostly the house and senate) do not manage money at all well. LOL
......
Thanks M...your are 100% right....THAT does sound a little less....."cocky"... :razz:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 08, 2009, 09:13:50 AM
The most interesting word in your statment is "this"..as if past government didn't require scrutiny or skepticism. :rolleyes:
Yeah, funny how forgiving he was of that douche-bag Bush's administration.
Ex: The only person more exasperating than you would be a Jehovah's Witness who sells Amway! ;D :biggrin: ;D
I calls 'em as I sees 'em. :razz:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 08, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
Ex: The only person more exasperating than you would be a Jehovah's Witness who sells Amway! ;D :biggrin: ;D
;D :yes: ;D :yes:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 08, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
Ex: The only person more exasperating than you would be a Jehovah's Witness who sells Amway! ;D :biggrin: ;D
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/mcgonser/cid_ED288AFC1E7A4CE09629EAFED614C5F.gif)
Indeed you do call 'em as you see 'em, and I fully support your right to do so. :yes:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 08, 2009, 11:28:39 AM
Indeed you do call 'em as you see 'em, and I fully support your right to do so. :yes:
and he does Pa....sometimes I think he just needs to wear his glasses... ;D :razz: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 08, 2009, 11:29:33 AM
and he does Pa....sometimes I think he just needs to wear his glasses... ;D :razz: :yes:
Of course I need to wear my glasses...should've listened to the nuns.
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 08, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
Ex: The only person more exasperating than you would be a Jehovah's Witness who sells Amway! ;D :biggrin: ;D
:thumbsup: :rotfl: :rotfl:
As an example of what's been discussed in this thread, and the things that are already being done, I did the following on my iPhone just now.
1. I brought up my contacts.
2. I clicked the card for my cousin who just moved across the country.
3. I clicked on her address which opened up maps on the iPhone.
4. On the pin indicating her location, I clicked the image of the street.
5. Up came this lovely picture of her new apartment building.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/xaoq53.jpg)
Your door has already been painted. I have it on my iPhone. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 08, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
Of course I need to wear my glasses...should've listened to the nuns.
FUNNY!! I had to wipe soda off my monitor screen.
Didn't anybody else get this?
Ex, don't you hate it when you rip off a real knee-slapper, and nobody else in the room has the necessary frame of reference to understand the joke?
Thanks to Sister Library Nun (too mean to have a name) and Sister Joseph Louise (whom we called Green Bay) the boys from my hometown would have no doubt to what practice you were referring.
Quote from: Locutus on May 08, 2009, 04:49:12 PM
As an example of what's been discussed in this thread, and the things that are already being done, I did the following on my iPhone just now.
1. I brought up my contacts.
2. I clicked the card for my cousin who just moved across the country.
3. I clicked on her address which opened up maps on the iPhone.
4. On the pin indicating her location, I clicked the image of the street.
5. Up came this lovely picture of her new apartment building.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/xaoq53.jpg)
Your door has already been painted. I have it on my iPhone. :yes:
And not a single tree was harmed in the process. :smitten:
Exactly.
LO: We know when NOT to encourage him. We got the visual image; no demonstration is necessary! :eek:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 08, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
Ex: The only person more exasperating than you would be a Jehovah's Witness who sells Amway! ;D :biggrin: ;D
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Maybe I missed something in this but I have never been visited by a census worker, always get the paper forms through the mail, sometimes long form, sometimes short form. Aren't they still going to send out the paper forms? If they aren't won't they have to hire lots of people to make all those calls, or are they still sending out the paper forms and just sending people to addys they don't get a response from like they always have? I don't particularly care about the GPS deal and I can see how the input deal can work, but it still seems like a very small part of the census where it would be used. How much do the GPS cost and how many of them will they have to buy? All these seem like good question IMO.
Quote from: LOsborne on May 08, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 08, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
Of course I need to wear my glasses...should've listened to the nuns.
FUNNY!! I had to wipe soda off my monitor screen.
Didn't anybody else get this?
Ex, don't you hate it when you rip off a real knee-slapper, and nobody else in the room has the necessary frame of reference to understand the joke?
Thanks to Sister Library Nun (too mean to have a name) and Sister Joseph Louise (whom we called Green Bay) the boys from my hometown would have no doubt to what practice you were referring.
Anyone who knows him, is used to his knee-slappers.
You should hear his suggestion of what to do to people that piss you off.
:o :eek: :no: :rolleyes:
Quote from: pariann on May 08, 2009, 10:01:08 PM
You should hear his suggestion of what to do to people that piss you off.
Does it work?
Maybe, if you take them by surprise. LOL
its all fun and games til the rabbit gets the gun
Quote from: Anne on May 08, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
Maybe I missed something in this but I have never been visited by a census worker, always get the paper forms through the mail, sometimes long form, sometimes short form. Aren't they still going to send out the paper forms? If they aren't won't they have to hire lots of people to make all those calls, or are they still sending out the paper forms and just sending people to addys they don't get a response from like they always have? I don't particularly care about the GPS deal and I can see how the input deal can work, but it still seems like a very small part of the census where it would be used. How much do the GPS cost and how many of them will they have to buy? All these seem like good question IMO.
I had a census worker stop by my house last week. He was checking to make sure this was still a single family home. Uhm....that was a waste of my time to answer the door.
Quote from: pariann on May 08, 2009, 10:01:08 PM
You should hear his suggestion of what to do to people that piss you off.
Chop 'em in the throat! :biggrin:
LOL!!! THAT'S the one. :wink:
I just love it when he says that.