Healthcare Gone Wild

[Locutus]

The Republican plan won't fix that Hank. 

Our #1 problem with healthcare in the United States is that we let for-profit corporations have a majority say in what is and should be healthcare in this country.  Until we can disassociate those two, we'll remain behind the rest of the developed world in affordable care. 

That's the bottom line.

[The Troll]

The Republican plan won't fix that Hank. 

Our #1 problem with healthcare in the United States is that we let for-profit corporations have a majority say in what is and should be healthcare in this country.  Until we can disassociate those two, we'll remain behind the rest of the developed world in affordable care. 

That's the bottom line.

  Health care should always be nonprofit.  With the for profit health care, health is not the main thing, it's profit and greed and how much the CEO makes a year.     Just like the post office, the airports towers, weather service, highways, bridges, the FAA, food safety, drinking water safety, drug safety, the FBI, national parks and many, many other things where profit is not the main thing.     If you want to fuck up something for sure, make it a predatory capitalism thing.   

[Henry Hawk]

The Republican plan won't fix that Hank. 

Our #1 problem with healthcare in the United States is that we let for-profit corporations have a majority say in what is and should be healthcare in this country.  Until we can disassociate those two, we'll remain behind the rest of the developed world in affordable care. 

That's the bottom line.

I disagree.......we had affordable healthcare here for years, until we let our federal government start butting in.....we need to open up competition in the market once again......and we will see affordable HC.

THAT IS the bottom line.

[Henry Hawk]

  "They go to ER and get what they want." That is a fucking lie, BUTT HEAD!!!!!  I was too the ER three times last week, thinking I had Pneumonia.  All they told me about my pain was, it wasn't a heart attack, it wasn't pneumonia and they thought it was Pleurisy of the chest and lungs.  They screwed up the CatScan and I had to go back for another one.  They told me, they don't know why people get it, but people will get it and it is very painful.  Believe me I know what the pain is, you can not breath very well also. 

  ER won't give a person any pain killer or drugs, but they always say,  SEE YOUR DOCTOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and have him to give me some steroids to cool down the pain.  They told me to take TYLENOL and one of the Oxycondone pills I use for my lower back pain, they wouldn't even give me a Tylenol in ER to hold me over until I could get to a drug store.   
  Hell, maybe your wife is lying to you or you're lying about what she said.  That's all you Republicans can do is lie about everything.   

  If you could tell the truth, just one time, I know even you would say it's a killer and bad health care bill. (TRUMPCARE)    Just one question, why do you want to give the super 1%ers all that money.

Shut up troll...you have NO clue.  Go watch TV and get a sandwich.

[me]

.R. 1628 American Health Care Act of 2017
Don't take their word for it read it your self
Remember this is just a BILL not a LAW
I would suggest that you look up what needs to happen before this is a law.
It is sure the Liberals will never tell you anything about how it is done
Remember they past the Obama care at midnight Christmas eve while America was waiting on Santa clause ( Without one Republican vote)
June 22, 2017
H.R. 1628 American Health Care Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text
https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr1628/BILLS-115hr1628pcs.pdf
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text#toc-H12635F23D6014AFBA73B3E074D941C16

[The Troll]

Shut up troll...you have NO clue.  Go watch TV and get a sandwich.

  Every time you open your mouth, you prove just how stupid you are.     You whole life must be seen through a brown haze, the way you have had your head up your ass for so many years. 

  The Hawk and his nurse wife said,  "you can go to ER and get all the health care you need."      It's got to be that brown haze you live in FOOL!     

[Henry Hawk]

Nope that's not exactly what I said


But if you are poor, you will indeed get treatment....it's the law.


This is a fact.  If you have insurance then you pay.


Many call an ambulance for a stomach ache... get treated, then demand a taxi cab ride home, and don't pay a dime.  This is a fact.

[Palehorse]

Nope that's not exactly what I said


But if you are poor, you will indeed get treatment....it's the law.


This is a fact.  If you have insurance then you pay.


Many call an ambulance for a stomach ache... get treated, then demand a taxi cab ride home, and don't pay a dime.  This is a fact.

And here we go again. We've had this conversation going all the way back to before the ACA was even written.

YOU pay for them. I payfor them. EVERYONE with insurance pays for those who go to a hospital without insurance and receives treatment.

We pay for it in the form of increased premiums imposed upon us by health insurers. We pay for it when medical treatment facilities incorporate the treatment of these individuals into the pricing for their treatments during the AOP phase of their planning annually.

A 25 thousand dollar routine heart cath procedure in 2017 goes up to 35 thousand dollars. A routine tonsillectomy costing 16 grand goes to 25 grand. Suturing and disinfecting a 6 centimeter wound goes from 2500 bucks to 4 thousand. . . Etc. . .

Only those of us with insurance get double shafted by both the insurance companies in the for of higher premiums and deductibles, and by the medical providers in the form of higher treatment bills. So that 20% your insurance doesn't cover goes up exponentially.

All to cover the costs associated with "the law" requiring medical entities to treat those without insurance.

In reality, all this new bill is going to do is reach a LOT DEEPER into the pockets of those that carry insurance, and further fatten the bottom lines of insurance companies and hospitals; both of which operate on the same business plans as every Fortune 500 company these days.

The ACA tackled this already out of control situation. It was not perfect, and the congressional tinkering made it far worse than it was. And now that they've lied to the masses for over a decade about it, they're realizing it isn't perfect, but nowhere as big as a FUBAR as their own bill is. And the conservatives in congress are now in the trick bag over it all.

They impose all of the cuts listed and the majority of those sitting in congress today will lose their positions by being voted out in droves as each election cycle occurs. And they know it. Which is exactly why they're stalling, and an ever increasing number of them are taking to the media and speaking out against it.

It's all lipstick on the pig now. They ran on a lie , got elected, and cannot deliver. And they know that too.

This bill will end up depriving the average American household of 40% of their take home pay when you factor in the inreased premiums, out of pocket expenses, deductibles, and the resulting insureds responsibility for each bill. And that will go over like a beer and boiled egg fart in church. Especially with the fact the average workers hourly wage is already 30 to 45 % less than it was just 15 years ago.

Next, I predict they will exaggerate a global event and use it to start another war; in a last ditch effort to divert the average citizens attention from their ever shrinking personal income streams.   

[The Troll]

And here we go again. We've had this conversation going all the way back to before the ACA was even written.

YOU pay for them. I payfor them. EVERYONE with insurance pays for those who go to a hospital without insurance and receives treatment.

We pay for it in the form of increased premiums imposed upon us by health insurers. We pay for it when medical treatment facilities incorporate the treatment of these individuals into the pricing for their treatments during the AOP phase of their planning annually.

A 25 thousand dollar routine heart cath procedure in 2017 goes up to 35 thousand dollars. A routine tonsillectomy costing 16 grand goes to 25 grand. Suturing and disinfecting a 6 centimeter wound goes from 2500 bucks to 4 thousand. . . Etc. . .

Only those of us with insurance get double shafted by both the insurance companies in the for of higher premiums and deductibles, and by the medical providers in the form of higher treatment bills. So that 20% your insurance doesn't cover goes up exponentially.

All to cover the costs associated with "the law" requiring medical entities to treat those without insurance.

In reality, all this new bill is going to do is reach a LOT DEEPER into the pockets of those that carry insurance, and further fatten the bottom lines of insurance companies and hospitals; both of which operate on the same business plans as every Fortune 500 company these days.

The ACA tackled this already out of control situation. It was not perfect, and the congressional tinkering made it far worse than it was. And now that they've lied to the masses for over a decade about it, they're realizing it isn't perfect, but nowhere as big as a FUBAR as their own bill is. And the conservatives in congress are now in the trick bag over it all.

They impose all of the cuts listed and the majority of those sitting in congress today will lose their positions by being voted out in droves as each election cycle occurs. And they know it. Which is exactly why they're stalling, and an ever increasing number of them are taking to the media and speaking out against it.

It's all lipstick on the pig now. They ran on a lie , got elected, and cannot deliver. And they know that too.

This bill will end up depriving the average American household of 40% of their take home pay when you factor in the increased premiums, out of pocket expenses, deductibles, and the resulting insureds responsibility for each bill. And that will go over like a beer and boiled egg fart in church. Especially with the fact the average workers hourly wage is already 30 to 45 % less than it was just 15 years ago.

Next, I predict they will exaggerate a global event and use it to start another war; in a last ditch effort to divert the average citizens attention from their ever shrinking personal income streams.   

  OH, OH, you know about boiled eggs and beer farts.  So do I, one morning  I let one on the assembly line at Ford and I thought the guys there was going to kill me. 

  But one thing about them egg and beer farts, they don't smell as bad as the stench coming from the Republican Party in Washington DC.     I just hate Turtle Head McConnell, just think he's got special government health insurance.  I sure would like to see him come down with some disease that poor people can't get treated for.  He and his fellow beer farts have exempted themselves from the Republican TrumpCare health insurance.   

  Yep, old fart head Hawk sure knows about affordable health care.  When he was just a little fart, his dad use the health insurance the United Auto Workers Union negotiated from General Motors to pay for the little fart's health care.   

It's to bad they didn't have mental health insurance for little Fart Hawk.  Now he hates unions and love the idea of Republican (TrumpCare) health insurance.  Yep, Old Fart Hawk was born without a working brain.     

[Henry Hawk]

I know we are the one's paying for them PH.  We are always going to pay for them in some fashion.  I accept that.  My point was, THEY (poor) already HAD insurance, so to speak. 
But Obamacare didn't help them but it HURT the middle-class!  As a general, we pay MORE for LESS...but Obama PROMISED us that we would KEEP our DR's, KEEP our Insurance and he said our HC costs would go down by $2,500! He lied! and he knew it.


Fed Gov ran programs are MOSTLY failures....this is just another example, in the line of many.


Say what you will, but YOU don't KNOW what this bill is going to do, because they don't even HAVE a bill right now and it is STILL in negotiaitons.

[Palehorse]

I know we are the one's paying for them PH.  We are always going to pay for them in some fashion.  I accept that.  My point was, THEY (poor) already HAD insurance, so to speak. 
But Obamacare didn't help them but it HURT the middle-class!  As a general, we pay MORE for LESS...but Obama PROMISED us that we would KEEP our DR's, KEEP our Insurance and he said our HC costs would go down by $2,500! He lied! and he knew it.


Fed Gov ran programs are MOSTLY failures....this is just another example, in the line of many.


Say what you will, but YOU don't KNOW what this bill is going to do, because they don't even HAVE a bill right now and it is STILL in negotiaitons.

I know what's in it in the current version. Absolutely. I also know everything I posted above is truth supported by the contents of that bill and factual.

I never said the ACA was perfect. Never. But by comparison to that tripe they're trying to float it is stellar.

You think the ACA wrecked the middle class, just wait until they pass this one. We will all be hammered by it and it will ruin millions of middle class families financially.

[Henry Hawk]

I know what's in it in the current version. Absolutely. I also know everything I posted above is truth supported by the contents of that bill and factual.

I never said the ACA was perfect. Never. But by comparison to that tripe they're trying to float it is stellar.

You think the ACA wrecked the middle class, just wait until they pass this one. We will all be hammered by it and it will ruin millions of middle class families financially.

But nothing has passed.  They are still working on it.  You Don't Know. 

What I know is, the current HC bill is crap!  It is seriously hurting many good folks.  I'm tired of the focus being on the "poor".  They will get HC no matter what happens.  People who are hurting NOW, need help and need help fast.

[The Troll]

But nothing has passed.  They are still working on it.  You Don't Know. 

What I know is, the current HC bill is crap!  It is seriously hurting many good folks.  I'm tired of the focus being on the "poor".  They will get HC no matter what happens.  People who are hurting NOW, need help and need help fast.

  I know one thing for sure, I sure wouldn't want you, Henry Hawk to run American Health Care.   

  If you did, I would go out and buy stock to cemeteries, and undertaker service and cheap pine box caskets.      Because everyone poor and sick would just die, because you would let them die.   Absolutely no heart and no soul, what a moron.     

  Oh, one more thing, is the American taxpayer paying for you son's health insurance.   

[Palehorse]

But nothing has passed.  They are still working on it.  You Don't Know. 

What I know is, the current HC bill is crap!  It is seriously hurting many good folks.  I'm tired of the focus being on the "poor".  They will get HC no matter what happens.  People who are hurting NOW, need help and need help fast.

Again. . .🙄

[The Troll]

  I have a question for anyone of intelligence.     Would you buy for yourself or a friend anything from a salesman who's statements about his products are 90% lies and untruths      
 
  We now have a person in the White House, the President of the United States who is a pathological liar.  Everything he says is a lie or lying fabrication.  Anyone with one common brain cell of truth will say he is a liar.   

  Today with a satisfaction rating of 27%,  below the loyal Republican Party base, some idiots say, "WELL, GIVE HIM A CHANCE."

                                                He is a joke.