Healthcare Gone Wild

[Palehorse]

What does whats going on in Indiana have to do with Medicare? I can see it affecting HIP or Medicaid but not Medicare or a supplement through an insurance company. I do not get help through the state on my Medicare but I realize some people do who qualify income wise.

If I told you you would just dig up some right wing propaganda with which to dismiss it; then blame it on Obama when it smacks you squarely in the chops.

Do your research, read the information the state and fed government sends you, and discover the real reason why your costs and coverage are going to change for the worse. . .

[me]

I happen to be talking about now though not in the future. Yes, I care about the future costs and whether I can still go to the doctor/hospital of my choice but in this particular case I'm not talking about the future so why bring it up?

[Palehorse]

I happen to be talking about now though not in the future. Yes, I care about the future costs and whether I can still go to the doctor/hospital of my choice but in this particular case I'm not talking about the future so why bring it up?

Forget I ever said a word about it. But I'll be sure to dig this up when it smacks you in the chops and you start squalling about it.

[Anne]

Question is, will you be willing to pay the cost? One other thing, have you ever looked at how much is actually paid to providers? I don't know how independent providers would manage if all patients were on Medicare. I'm not saying it won't work, just that there are some things to consider.

[Palehorse]

Question is, will you be willing to pay the cost? One other thing, have you ever looked at how much is actually paid to providers? I don't know how independent providers would manage if all patients were on Medicare. I'm not saying it won't work, just that there are some things to consider.

No. The real question is are those of us that are insured willing to pay more for the shrinking items covered by our insurers, as the costs rise due to the write offs that transpire and expand exponentially as the ranks of the uninsured grow?

This was, and will be, the root cause for the skyrocketing costs of healthcare before the ACA became its poster child. The average citizen has never understood this and they still don't thanks to 8 years of bait and switch by the propagandists. It is the crutch that health insurers used before the ACA and is what allowed health insurers to become highly profitable. The wool they pulled over the American people's eyes. 

The annual write offs generated by these "unable to pay" patients was the health care industry's slush fund, and to a much reduced degree still is today. And it is this fact that drives health insurers to oppose the ACA.

[me]

.R. 1628 American Health Care Act of 2017
Don't take their word for it read it your self
Remember this is just a BILL not a LAW
I would suggest that you look up what needs to happen before this is a law.
It is sure the Liberals will never tell you anything about how it is done
Remember they past the Obama care at midnight Christmas eve while America was waiting on Santa clause ( Without one Republican vote)
June 22, 2017
H.R. 1628 American Health Care Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text
https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr1628/BILLS-115hr1628pcs.pdf
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text#toc-H12635F23D6014AFBA73B3E074D941C16

[The Troll]

  A thing to think about, 49% of the babies born here in the United States, use Medicade.     And the God Damn Republicans want to take it away and give the Super Rich a tax break.   

[me]

  A thing to think about, 49% of the babies born here in the United States, use Medicade.     And the God Damn Republicans want to take it away and give the Super Rich a tax break.   

Read the actual bill fool.

[The Troll]

Read the actual bill fool.

  Are you telling me you read the whole bill.               Give me a break. 

[me]

  Are you telling me you read the whole bill.               Give me a break. 

That is the whole bill idiot. Did you read any of it?

[The Troll]

That is the whole bill idiot. Did you read any of it?

  Now where would I get the full bill.  Parts of it are still secret and not fully understood.     It's a con game and a killer bill against the poorest and the defenseless people.     You Republicans are animals, corrigen eaters and will be baby killers in the worse sense.  Murders of the young and the old and destitute.     Zombies and the undead are your leaders and the people you worship!       The Republican Party is slimiest of the slime in a North Korean sewer.   


                      The Republican is the party of death and not the party of good and hope. 


                                                          Idiot!

[me]

  Now where would I get the full bill.  Parts of it are still secret and not fully understood.     It's a con game and a killer bill against the poorest and the defenseless people.     You Republicans are animals, corrigen eaters and will be baby killers in the worse sense.  Murders of the young and the old and destitute.     Zombies and the undead are your leaders and the people you worship!       The Republican Party is slimiest of the slime in a North Korean sewer.   


                      The Republican is the party of death and not the party of good and hope. 


                                                          Idiot!

It was the Dems who wouldn't say what was in their bill, "you must pass it to find out what's in it", remember?

[The Troll]

  And that plan gave 28 million people health insurance.     And you ass hole want to kill it.     Dip Stick.   

[Henry Hawk]

  And that plan gave 28 million people health insurance.     And you ass hole want to kill it.     Dip Stick.   

Obama care gave millions of people insurance.....of course the media doesn't tell you about the $10,000 deductible and $1,500 per month premium for millions.  I know this to be true.  I saw a friend of mines bill.  He has his own small business and is now struggling to keep his current employees.
MY BIL is a carpenter.....pays $800 a month and a $7,000 deductible.


I don't call that insurance.......they just don't go to the doctor anymore....they can't afford it!!!!!!

Another thing, a the vast majority of those without insurance was getting it free already!  They go to the ER and get whatever they need.  I know this, because my wife runs the ER at St. V's in Anderson.

I'm not saying this new bill is going to be great, but only because I don't know what all is in it.  Also, something to contemplate, if Trump gets the economy rolliing as Wall Street is believing.....the number of uninsured is going to drop dramatically.

Just my thoughts

[The Troll]

Obama care gave millions of people insurance.....of course the media doesn't tell you about the $10,000 deductible and $1,500 per month premium for millions.  I know this to be true.  I saw a friend of mines bill.  He has his own small business and is now struggling to keep his current employees.
MY BIL is a carpenter.....pays $800 a month and a $7,000 deductible.


I don't call that insurance.......they just don't go to the doctor anymore....they can't afford it!!!!!!

Another thing, a the vast majority of those without insurance was getting it free already!  They go to the ER and get whatever they need.  I know this, because my wife runs the ER at St. V's in Anderson.

I'm not saying this new bill is going to be great, but only because I don't know what all is in it.  Also, something to contemplate, if Trump gets the economy rolliing as Wall Street is believing.....the number of uninsured is going to drop dramatically.

Just my thoughts

  "They go to ER and get what they want." That is a fucking lie, BUTT HEAD!!!!!  I was too the ER three times last week, thinking I had Pneumonia.  All they told me about my pain was, it wasn't a heart attack, it wasn't pneumonia and they thought it was Pleurisy of the chest and lungs.  They screwed up the CatScan and I had to go back for another one.  They told me, they don't know why people get it, but people will get it and it is very painful.  Believe me I know what the pain is, you can not breath very well also. 

  ER won't give a person any pain killer or drugs, but they always say,  SEE YOUR DOCTOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and have him to give me some steroids to cool down the pain.  They told me to take TYLENOL and one of the Oxycondone pills I use for my lower back pain, they wouldn't even give me a Tylenol in ER to hold me over until I could get to a drug store.   
  Hell, maybe your wife is lying to you or you're lying about what she said.  That's all you Republicans can do is lie about everything.   

  If you could tell the truth, just one time, I know even you would say it's a killer and bad health care bill. (TRUMPCARE)    Just one question, why do you want to give the super 1%ers all that money.