Healthcare Gone Wild

[Y]

She has probably never even been to Texas...and I've actually crossed the border there...more than once.

Like I pointed out, Me is just regurgitating from her propaganda sources.

It's been known for a while that Mexicans are actually returning to Mexico instead of - as Me puts it - pouring across our southern border. 

A simple Google would have made that clear:  https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&site=&source=hp&btnG=Search&q=more+mexicans+returning+to+mexico

[me]

She has probably never even been to Texas...and I've actually crossed the border there...more than once.

I have not only been there I lived there for a while in the mid 60's and my former husbands father and grandparents were born there, La Porte as a matter of fact. Look it up dude. A friend of mine lived in El Paso until a couple of years ago and her daughter still lives there and my grandson-in-laws grand parents lived in Odessa until last year and they moved back up here.

[Palehorse]

Senior citizens are going to take the pipe if this healthcare bill passes. 30% taxation penalty for being a senior citizen. 

Deregulation of the healthcare industry, and insurers in particular, is not the answer. Each year since deregulation of the industry under Rappin' Ronnie, premiums have risen and skyrocketed. Now we have the high deductible plans that serve to do nothing more than stave off payouts from the health insurers and serve to increase the premiums we pay by thousands of dollars annually.

What will they do when our population starts to rapidly decline due to the deaths driven by lack of care? 

Paul Ryan is nothing but a shill for the insurance companies. I trust him as far as I can throw the state of Texas! 

[Exterminator]

Interesting article that comes to the same conclusion I have about health insurance in this country: It is impossible to have an equitable, cost effective vehicle for providing health care insurance when the organizational goal is return on investment to stockholders (which also determines executive compensation).

"In the 1940s and '50s, the owners of these insurance companies were the policyholders, and their employees were just administrators who calculated the risks, collected the premiums, and paid out the benefits. Blue Cross and Blue Shield were in the insurance business, not the investment business, and they needed no high-paid top executives to make investment decisions to enrich non-policy owning shareholders. There were none. No insurance company presumed to tell a doctor how to treat his patient to promote the interests of the insurance company, for the interests of insurer and patient were identical. The demutualizing of these companies was a huge policy mistake, vastly increasing the cost of health insurance in order to reward public shareholders and executives, not policyholders. Now the tail wags the dog."

[libby]

Interesting article that comes to the same conclusion I have about health insurance in this country: It is impossible to have an equitable, cost effective vehicle for providing health care insurance when the organizational goal is return on investment to stockholders (which also determines executive compensation).

"In the 1940s and ‘50s, the owners of these insurance companies were the policyholders, and their employees were just administrators who calculated the risks, collected the premiums, and paid out the benefits. Blue Cross and Blue Shield were in the insurance business, not the investment business, and they needed no high-paid top executives to make investment decisions to enrich non-policy owning shareholders. There were none.
were identical. The demutualizing of these companies was a huge policy mistake, vastly increasing the cost of health insurance in order to reward public shareholders and executives, not policyholders. Now the tail wags the dog."

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it. On the same subject, Bernie Sanders  was on Morning Joe this morning. He was all fired up, and said he thought "Medicare for All" was the answer! (to be continued)

[libby]

I am repeating the above posts by Exterminator and me because when I quoted him I somehow left out a very important part. The omitted part is in bold.

Interesting article that comes to the same conclusion I have about health insurance in this country: It is impossible to have an equitable, cost effective vehicle for providing health care insurance when the organizational goal is return on investment to stockholders (which also determines executive compensation).

"In the 1940s and '50s, the owners of these insurance companies were the policyholders, and their employees were just administrators who calculated the risks, collected the premiums, and paid out the benefits. Blue Cross and Blue Shield were in the insurance business, not the investment business, and they needed no high-paid top executives to make investment decisions to enrich non-policy owning shareholders. There were none. No insurance company presumed to tell a doctor how to treat his patient to promote the interests of the insurance company, for the interests of insurer and patient were identical. The demutualizing of these companies was a huge policy mistake, vastly increasing the cost of health insurance in order to reward public shareholders and executives, not policyholders. Now the tail wags the dog."

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it. On the same subject, Bernie Sanders  was on Morning Joe this morning. He was all fired up, and said he thought "Medicare for All" was the answer! (to be continued)

[Palehorse]

This crap about adding surcharges to your monthly premium is bullshit too. . . 

Surcharges for failing to submit to invasion of your privacy by allowing the company access to your blood work and body metrics. . .

Surcharges for tobacco use because you didn't submit to the above and an automatic assumption you use tobacco. . .

Surcharges if your spouse works but doesn't carry her employer's healthcare insurance. . .

This shit is endless! 

[Y]

Interesting article that comes to the same conclusion I have about health insurance in this country: It is impossible to have an equitable, cost effective vehicle for providing health care insurance when the organizational goal is return on investment to stockholders (which also determines executive compensation).

There are several things a society should not allow to be under the vagaries etc. of the capitalist economic system - and one of them is health care.

We should have universal health care, and the most apparent method to do that is to simply expand medicare to cover everyone.

No more capitalism in health care.

[Locutus]

No more capitalism in health care.

I've said it before and will say it again.  There's something definitely antithetical about for-profit corporations having a voice in what is and should be health care in this country.   

[me]

There are several things a society should not allow to be under the vagaries etc. of the capitalist economic system - and one of them is health care.

We should have universal health care, and the most apparent method to do that is to simply expand medicare to cover everyone.

No more capitalism in health care.

Might look good to you from this end but it sure isn't all it's cracked up to be, universal health care that is.

[Locutus]

Might look good to you from this end but it sure isn't all it's cracked up to be, universal health care that is.

Why not?

[me]

Why not?

I covered that when they were trying to pass Obama care and Ex gave me shit for it so I won't go there again but, believe me, it isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'm related to some people who lived in Canada for several years and experienced that health care and who now live in the states with their Canadian spouses.

[Locutus]

I covered that when they were trying to pass Obama care and Ex gave me shit for it so I won't go there again but, believe me, it isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'm related to some people who lived in Canada for several years and experienced that health care and who now live in the states with their Canadian spouses.

If you don't mind me asking, how are your health expenses covered?  You're perfectly clear to tell me that's none of my business if you so choose. 

[me]

If you don't mind me asking, how are your health expenses covered?  You're perfectly clear to tell me that's none of my business if you so choose.

Medicare with a supplement.

[Locutus]

Medicare with a supplement.

So what, specifically, is your problem with Obamacare?  This ties in to the question on the other thread as to how you've been wronged and adversely affected by the policies of the last 8 years.

I'd really like to know. 

Is it subsidies?