Arizona's new illigal ilien law. Good or Bad?

[Bo D]

To address this terrible problem of identifying fake or stolen docs, the government authorized a program called E-verify, and tried to make everybody use it.  ......

It is such a mess the government has dropped all plans to mandate its use.

I guess the folks at GSA didn't hear that. Our company holds a GSA contract and I received this yesterday ....

"Attention MAS vendors!

This mandatory mass modification will baseline all FSS contracts to include the most recent standard contract clauses, capture exceptions, and incorporate E-Verify into all FSS contracts.


Contracts Online will achieve greater transparency and streamline the acquisition lifecycle for contracting professionals and industry partners. The objective of Contracts Online is to capture contract Terms  and Conditions, keep them current across each Schedule, and display information electronically for customers to consider when establishing Blanket Purchase Agreements (BPAs) or placing task and delivery orders against Schedule contracts.

Employment Eligibility Verification (E-Verify) implements Executive Order 12989 and subsequent Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) rule, to require federal contractors to electronically verify the employment eligibility of employees working on federal contracts in the United States. Accordingly, this modification incorporates clause 52.222-54, Employment Eligibility Verification (JAN 2009), into all Federal Supply Schedule (FSS) contracts unless certain exceptions apply."

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(my emphasis added)

[The Troll]

I guess the folks at GSA didn't hear that. Our company holds a GSA contract and I received this yesterday .... "Attention MAS vendors! This mandatory mass modification will baseline all FSS contracts to include the most recent standard contract clauses, capture exceptions, and incorporate E-Verify into all FSS contracts. Contracts Online will achieve greater transparency and streamline the acquisition lifecycle for contracting professionals and industry partners. The objective of Contracts Online is to capture contract Terms and Conditions, keep them current across each Schedule, and display information electronically for customers to consider when establishing Blanket Purchase Agreements (BPAs) or placing task and delivery orders against Schedule contracts. Employment Eligibility Verification (E-Verify) implements Executive Order 12989 and subsequent Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) rule, to require federal contractors to electronically verify the employment eligibility of employees working on federal contracts in the United States. Accordingly, this modification incorporates clause 52.222-54, Employment Eligibility Verification (JAN 2009), into all Federal Supply Schedule (FSS) contracts unless certain exceptions apply." ......................... (my emphasis added)

  It just boils down to one thing, money.  No matter how much the Republicans cry wolf   Wolf  they want their businesses and their friend to be able to hire this cheap labor and drive down the wages of the American worker.  So they, the rich can make more money.

[Henry Hawk]

So they, the rich can make more money.

I don't know about YOU, but I have no problem with rich people, nor do I care if they try to make MORE money...Rich people are the backbone of this country.....it is the rich people that hire us poor folks so we can raise families and go on vactions and live a comfortable life....this is NEVER going to change.....I DO fear a government who want's to redistribute the wealth.....that is the basis for a socialistic nation....and we KNOW how those countries have faired....I know there has to be a fine line between the Big Gov and the Big Business....

[The Troll]

I don't know about YOU, but I have no problem with rich people, nor do I care if they try to make MORE money...Rich people are the backbone of this country.....it is the rich people that hire us poor folks so we can raise families and go on vactions and live a comfortable life....this is NEVER going to change.....I DO fear a government who want's to redistribute the wealth.....that is the basis for a socialistic nation....and we KNOW how those countries have faired....I know there has to be a fine line between the Big Gov and the Big Business....

  Well, we all know that the rich doesn't want to redistribution the wealth.  And if you think the rich give a damn about you taking nice vacations and living a comfortable living,  your out of you freeking mind.

  The only thing they want out of you is work and at the lowest rate.  Why are they sending jobs out of this country for.  CHEAP ASS LABOR.  CHILDREN AND SLAVES ARE FINE.  Your nothing but a number.  I bet you, I can find out more about you, every thing, using you Social Security number than using you name.  Want to bet.

  I want you to get out of your mind, that the rich is the backbone of American life.  Total bull shit.  The middle class is the back bone of any country.  Take out the middle class and all you have is the rich and the poor slaves.  Any time and every time.  If you take all the Snow Birds and the vacationers out of Flordia and you would have is, another Mexico.

  Just where in hell did you get this brain washed.  Your talking out of your ass and brain.

  I have thought about you many times and I sure can't wrap my mind around you.  Coming from a pretty well off, BLUE COLLAR family and you have all of this ROYAL BULLSHIT, whorship the Royal Rich in your mind.   Just like in old England.  Long live the King.   

  Oh, one more thing.  I bet if your company could find another person who was as good as you, going the same thing for your company for $50 to $75 a week less than you.  Sweetheart   your working there would be histroy.  Gone, Gone, Gone.  There is no loyality or friendship, not in this day and age.

[The Troll]

  Quote Henry Hawk:  I DO fear a government who want's to redistribute the wealth.....that is the basis for a socialistic nation....and we KNOW how those countries have faired. [/quote]

  I don't see Canadians leaving for here.  I don't see the English leaving for here.  I don't see the French leaving for here, the Sweden, Norway, Ice Land, Italy, Germany, Russians and many others, all I see is the poor nations, especially Mexico want to come here.  In Mexico we have true Predatory Capitalism.  The Rich and Corporations own 95% of the money.  Another lame brain statement from the Hawk.       

[me]

  Quote Henry Hawk:  I DO fear a government who want's to redistribute the wealth.....that is the basis for a socialistic nation....and we KNOW how those countries have faired.

  I don't see Canadians leaving for here.  I don't see the English leaving for here.  I don't see the French leaving for here, the Sweden, Norway, Ice Land, Italy, Germany, Russians and many others, all I see is the poor nations, especially Mexico want to come here.  In Mexico we have true Predatory Capitalism.  The Rich and Corporations own 95% of the money.  Another lame brain statement from the Hawk.       

It's not quite as easy for those in countries where you just can't walk across the border to get here.  Russia isn't all that prosperous.  What you see on TV and the reality of things there are two different things.  The only people who are rich in Russia are those the government chose to be rich the rest are just barely making a living.

[The Troll]

The only people who are rich in Russia are those the government chose to be rich the rest are just barely making a living.

  Well I'll be damned, that what the Republican Party and Newt Gingrich want's for America.  Corporate welfare.   

[me]

 

  Well I'll be damned, that what the Republican Party and Newt Gingrich want's for America.  Corporate welfare.   

Russia is government ran, everyone works for the government.

[The Troll]

  It was the communist through The Communism Party that ran it for themselves.  If you were not a communist party member you didn't get crap.  You couldn't shop in comunist state store.  Just like here the rich trying to run the country for themselves. 

  Right now we have the Republican Party run by the Super Rich with their corporations and control of 87% of the money trying to run the show here.  If we don't watch it,  you will have to belong to the Republican Party and have a 666 on your forhead to get just a starvation spoon full of food for your stavation working wage.

  If we were living under the Republican Party in the Star Trek age.  They would telleport all the old people without money and the poor people who arn't smart enough, into space.   I can see them lining them up and saying, "Beam them out, Scotty".  "Thank you Sara, Mr. Rand, Mr. Boner and Grand Master Newt.  Get away from the Controls Geoge W., you might beam all of out.   

  Oh, I might add the Communist that we fought so long in the Cold War.  Is now loaning us money, destroying our manufacturing, spying on us, hacking in to our secret goverment a company  computers, building space rockets and a huge army, is the Communist Chinese.

  SHOP WALMART!

[LOsborne]

Russia is government ran, everyone works for the government.

Not any more.

Seventy percent of economic activity now takes place in legally independent private corporations, and price controls on most goods have been abolished....
.... In the 1990s Russia gave birth to several dozen successful and internationally prominent business corporations. In 15 years Russia went from a society where entrepreneurship was a crime, to one which had produced 36 individual dollar billionaires by 2004, the third highest number in the world.

http://prutland.web.wesleyan.edu/Documents/Wegren%20chapter.pdf

Unless, of course, you want to claim this one of those historical documents that has been "changed."

[Henry Hawk]

Not any more.

Seventy percent of economic activity now takes place in legally independent private corporations, and price controls on most goods have been abolished....
.... In the 1990s Russia gave birth to several dozen successful and internationally prominent business corporations. In 15 years Russia went from a society where entrepreneurship was a crime, to one which had produced 36 individual dollar billionaires by 2004, the third highest number in the world.

http://prutland.web.wesleyan.edu/Documents/Wegren%20chapter.pdf

Unless, of course, you want to claim this one of those historical documents that has been "changed."

and we are turning into a country where....a society where entrepreneurship was IS a crime.....

we need to take a page from history from these other countries who have already been down that road of socialism....and they are ALL turning away from it, and slowly becoming back to more of a true democracy....

[The Troll]

and we are turning into a country where....a society where entrepreneurship was IS a crime..... we need to take a page from history from these other countries who have already been down that road of socialism....and they are ALL turning away from it, and slowly becoming back to more of a true democracy....

  Why is it, when I think Henry "Hawk", I think Baby Robin.

[Henry Hawk]

  Why is it, when I think Henry "Hawk", I think Baby Robin.

You know how it is when I know that I struck a chord with you Troll, when I know that you don't have a good answer to my post?....you always make a funny comment and not answer my question or totally ignore my post and say something witty...

Troll, I will say this, that even though you and I will NEVER agree on many, many issues.....you DO make me laugh, and you bring something new to this forum, with your style of discussion....

[me]

Hum, I noticed one of the things done was to cut taxes.   I guess the woman I know who visited her sister who lives there last year is full of crap then about conditions in the real Russia that isn't seen by the rest of the world.  I know, that isn't documentation by the powers that be so it can't be accepted as being true.

[The Troll]

Hum, I noticed one of the things done was to cut taxes. I guess the woman I know who visited her sister who lives there last year is full of crap then about conditions in the real Russia that isn't seen by the rest of the world. I know, that isn't documentation by the powers that be so it can't be accepted as being true.

  Cut the stupid crap, let's face it there in no place quite like America.  But we are  not first in everything.  Health, standard of living, medical care and many other things. Would you please stop all of the stupid crap.