Arizona's new illigal ilien law. Good or Bad?

[The Troll]

Yeah, because people are always a reliable source. Whoever said that hearsay shouldn't be admissible in court was an idiot! and why do we have SO many criminals on the streets when there are SO many quality eye-witness reports? and what's so hard to believe about every body of water on earth being full of fish over 6 feet long? Documentation indeed! Who needs standards?!? Some people are JUST amazing.

  Sandy, I disagree with you on this one.  Hearsay.  Eye witness is one of the most unreliable form of  evidence there is.  Over 17 people were taken off of death row, because of eye witnesses and heresay was wrong.  17 people taken off of death row.  Study after study has shown the eye witnesses are wrong over 50% or more all of the time.  That my story and it's true.  Check it out.  The state that released all of the people 17, off of death row was Illinois.

[The Troll]

Well, duh... you have to be able to mix Margaritas very quickly. Impress me and I'll tell you the secret ingredient.

  I might mix you a Margaritas, but if I tell  you my secret ingredient, I'd have to kill  you. 

[me]

Yeah, because people are always a reliable source. Whoever said that hearsay shouldn't be admissible in court was an idiot! and why do we have SO many criminals on the streets when there are SO many quality eye-witness reports? and what's so hard to believe about every body of water on earth being full of fish over 6 feet long?

Documentation indeed! Who needs standards?!? Some people are JUST amazing.

It would be hearsay if it were from someone who hadn't been there but she was there and seen it with her won eyes.

[me]

What? NO response to my request for the paragraph in my source that supports your allegation that Russians cut taxes to encourage private ownership of businesses?

It's down toward the end.  I'll look for it tomorrow. 

[Sandy Eggo]

It would be hearsay if it were from someone who hadn't been there but she was there and seen it with her won eyes.

It's a bird! No! It's a plane! No! It's the point going right over me's head!

BTW, the definition of hearsay is "•Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience. When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. ..."

She didn't relay the experience to us, you did. Besides being unreliable because people exaggerate, it's also hearsay.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2TSNA_en&defl=en&q=define:hearsay&sa=X&ei=zVctTMvPJcSBlAfz36mzBA&ved=0CBIQkAE

[me]

It's a bird! No! It's a plane! No! It's the point going right over me's head!

BTW, the definition of hearsay is "•Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience. When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. ..."

She didn't relay the experience to us, you did. Besides being unreliable because people exaggerate, it's also hearsay.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2TSNA_en&defl=en&q=define:hearsay&sa=X&ei=zVctTMvPJcSBlAfz36mzBA&ved=0CBIQkAE

Alrighty then she was full of crap and all was just as you are being told it is the news never slants anything and Putin is a wonderful leader who only has the good of the people in mind and they are all rich and living happily ever after.   

[The Troll]

It would be hearsay if it were from someone who hadn't been there but she was there and seen it with her won eyes.

  Prove it.  What's the proof, any evidence, other than her words.  Was there DNA, finger prints.  A lot of men were sent to prison for some lying bitch wanting to get even.

[LOsborne]

Alrighty then she was full of crap and all was just as you are being told it is...

You don't recognize shades of gray, do you? What she told you was probably her real impression of conditions in the small area of a huge country she visited for the two weeks her in-depth research took.  It is called "anecdotal evidence." It is never given as much weight as evidence which can be measured and quantified.

the news never slants anything and Putin is a wonderful leader who only has the good of the people in mind and they are all rich and living happily ever after.

My source wasn't from the news media. It was a chapter written by Peter Rutland, Professor of Government at Wesleyan University in Connecticut, for a college textbook, written in 2009, by Stephen Wegren, PhD, Professor of Political Science at SMU in Texas. And just for the record they document their sources.

Furthermore, I don't believe they -- or I -- expressed an opinion on Putin's quality as a leader.

[The Troll]

Furthermore, I don't believe they -- or I -- expressed an opinion on Putin's quality as a leader.

  I think Putin should be going life in prison.  He has a black history and a lot of skeletons in his closet.   Being in so high up in the KBG with the murders, midnight arrest where no one returned and torture.  This man is no one to trust.

  I think one of Russia problem today is, when the Communist Party fell, the criminals for one, the KBG, got off scott free.

[me]

You don't recognize shades of gray, do you? What she told you was probably her real impression of conditions in the small area of a huge country she visited for the two weeks her in-depth research took.  It is called "anecdotal evidence." It is never given as much weight as evidence which can be measured and quantified.

My source wasn't from the news media. It was a chapter written by Peter Rutland, Professor of Government at Wesleyan University in Connecticut, for a college textbook, written in 2009, by Stephen Wegren, PhD, Professor of Political Science at SMU in Texas. And just for the record they document their sources.

Furthermore, I don't believe they -- or I -- expressed an opinion on Putin's quality as a leader.

Wouldn't the documented sources be the sources they had access to and what Russia allowed them to see and from people they were allowed to talk to?   Was he in the part of Russia that tourists don't go into? 

[me]

Wonder if Obama's people will sue Rhode Island too.....

Arizona – the new Rhode Island?
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According to the Obama administration's lawsuit against the state of Arizona, their new law requiring police officers to investigate immigration status for those already in some form of detention violates their jurisdiction, which is what the argument of pre-emption means.  Barack Obama and Eric Holder want the courts to rule that only the federal writ runs in Arizona on immigration-law enforcement.  Apparently, though, the federal writ doesn't run in Rhode Island, where law enforcement has been doing for years exactly what the Arizona law Obama opposes mandates — without a peep from the DoJ:

Rest of article: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/07/arizona-the-new-rhode-island/

[Palehorse]

Wonder if Obama's people will sue Rhode Island too.....

Rest of article: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/07/arizona-the-new-rhode-island/

It only takes one to rule on the matter, and if the ruling goes in favor of the feds all others will be stricken. . .

[The Troll]

It only takes one to rule on the matter, and if the ruling goes in favor of the feds all others will be stricken. . .

  Something has to be done.  I would like to see one law.  All employers of illegal aliens no matter what color, creed, religion and sex, that employer will go to jail, the first offense, for one week and a fine of $500 for each illegal employee.  After 3 strikes of illegal hiring pratices, 1 year, felony imprisonment and no time for good behavior and no time off for any reason.  Except turning in other illegal employers that hire illegals.

  50% of all fines go to the police agency that apprehend the criminals.  Plain and simple, hire a illegal alien and go to prison.  The last time it's a felony.

  It would be real interesting to see what would happen.       

[me]

It only takes one to rule on the matter, and if the ruling goes in favor of the feds all others will be stricken. . .

NEWSER) – It's odd that the Obama administration is suing Arizona over its immigration law—because Rhode Island cops have been carrying out the same basic procedure for years, writes Andy McCarthy in the National Review. Rhode Island cops routinely check for immigration status during traffic stops, reporting any illegals they find to the feds. Critics argue that such checks will be a burden for cops, but in Rhode Island, the police insist on doing it.

So if there's a preemption issue here, why hasn't the Obama administration sued Rhode Island? Well, maybe because the Supreme Court case Muehler v. Mena already stated that police could ask about a person's immigration status without so much as probable cause, because questions don't constitute search or seizure. And because Rhode Island's already come out on top in one lawsuit, with a federal appeals court ruling that, based on Muehler v. Mena, the policy was fine.

http://www.newser.com/story/94984/hey-obama-sue-rhode-island-not-arizona.html

[The Troll]

http://www.newser.com/story/94984/hey-obama-sue-rhode-island-not-arizona.html

  Yeah, that damn old Obama, he's so mean suing poor little Arizona.  He won't pick on anybody else.  He makes me so damn mad I'd could eat worms all day.      Well, there's one thing for sure, the gutless Republicans wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole.   Now we will solve some, not all of the problems.  We will let the laws and the courts do it and maybe take the politics out of it.  More actitive judges.

   I think it was a smart move.  Well see how bad the Republican controlled Supreme Court handles this mess.  Or if we might get another Bush/Gore decision, a corporation being a human being decision or a government agency taking your property and selling it to a private corporation decision.

  Let the show Begin and the Republicans lie and the Republican sheeple wring their hands.   

   I wonder how the Republicans will handle this.                                       Your guess is good as mine.      The Troll