After the 'offing' of UBL Sunday night we have been inundated with people singing the praises of Obama and how HE killed UBL.
How about looking at the facts for a bit.
We were gathering intel on UBL even before 9/11 but it wasn't until after 9/11 that we started getting better intel from detainees. You know, those war prisoners being held in secret prisons and being interrogated with techniques that people were all upset about, including Obama. These prisons and techniques were put in place by Bush and started the ball rolling that ultimately lead to UBL's death.
It was during Bush's administration that we learned of the courier that we followed to UBL. This info was obtained from a detainee in one of those 'horrible' prisons using those 'inhumane' techniques. We didn't learn the courier's true name until 2007. In 2009 we learned, by following that courier, areas in Pakistan where he operated.
I wasn't JUST Obama, or any one individual that did this. It just happened to be Obama in the WH at the time UBL was killed.
Credit needs to be given to all who had a hand.
So, I give a thank you to Bush and his administration for putting the tools in place to track UBL down. Also, Thanks to Obama and his administration for having the resolve to act on the intel gathered.
But, the biggest THANK YOU should go to the people 'in the trenches' who gathered the intel, pinpointed where he was and especially to the SEAL who ultimately put the bullet in UBL's head.
Bush could have stomped puppies to death on national television, said it was in the interest of national security, and you'd have stood in line for an opportunity to fellate him. Clearly there is nothing Obama can ever do that will impress you so why not just call him an uppity negro and be done with it?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 03, 2011, 10:13:35 AM
Bush could have stomped puppies to death on national television, said it was in the interest of national security, and you'd have stood in line for an opportunity to fellate him. Clearly there is nothing Obama can ever do that will impress you so why not just call him an uppity negro and be done with it?
Did you not read my post??
Apparently not or you would have seen that I did give him credit for his part in eliminating UBL.
That's giving him credit?
As far as how I arrived at the obvious conclusion that I did, Occam's razor.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 03, 2011, 11:29:09 AM
That's giving him credit?
As far as how I arrived at the obvious conclusion that I did, Occam's razor.
What did you expect? Me to slobber and drool all over the guy for his part? Bow down to him as the messiah as all the Libs do? All because he finally showed some backbone??
HA!!!
I will give the guy thanks and credit for his part in this and maybe show a bit more respect but that's all. I still don't like his policies and believe that he is the worst thing to happen to this country in a looooong time.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
What did you expect? Me to slobber and drool all over the guy for his part? Bow down to him as the messiah as all the Libs do? All because he finally showed some backbone??
HA!!!
I will give the guy thanks and credit for his part in this and maybe show a bit more respect but that's all. I still don't like his policies and believe that he is the worst thing to happen to this country in a looooong time.
:nocomment:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
What did you expect? Me to slobber and drool all over the guy for his part?
Not at all; I expected exactly what you offered. Your ilk is fairly predictable.
QuoteAll because he finally showed some backbone??
This is exactly what I'm talking about and is tantamount to giving someone credit for not beating his wife any more.
QuoteI still don't like his policies and believe that he is the worst thing to happen to this country in a looooong time.
Read: uppity negro.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 03, 2011, 01:30:48 PM
Not at all; I expected exactly what you offered. Your ilk is fairly predictable.
This is exactly what I'm talking about and is tantamount to giving someone credit for not beating his wife any more.
Read: uppity negro.
I see that you cherry picked the parts of my post that you could spin and conveniently left out where I did give Obama thanks and credit.
Must have been really painful.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
I see that you cherry picked the parts of my post that you could spin and conveniently left out where I did give Obama thanks and credit.
No cherry picking was required; it says what it says.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
What did you expect? Me to slobber and drool all over the guy for his part? Bow down to him as the messiah as all the Libs do? All because he finally showed some backbone??
HA!!!
I will give the guy thanks and credit for his part in this and maybe show a bit more respect but that's all. I still don't like his policies and believe that he is the worst thing to happen to this country in a looooong time.
Well you showed you colors. It's not red, white and blue. It's green for out of this world, brown for shit and yellow for being a coward. :yes:
Wall Street going through the roof paid for by Main Street. All of the power going to the top. All of the money going to the top. Jobs still going overseas and the American worker broke.
And you dumbass wants to put the Teabagging Republicans back in. All I care to say to you is :azz: :finger2: :tiphat: :biggrin:
Huh. . . so the media reports that the courier utilized in tracking Bin Laden down being identified in August of last year, are bullshit?
So the reported (today) method of identification of that courier's cell phone in August of last year, and the reported data that denote that that same cell phone always went dead whenever the courier entered the compound, but only very recently did it fail to do so, providing validation for the mission assumption surrounding the fact Bin Laden was in residence. is also bullshit?
And I suppose the fact that the U.S. is directly responsible for Bin Laden's rise to power via financial and militarily propping of him is also Bullshit? (Just as we did with SH, who also came back to bite us).
Interesting that you provide no credible source for your conjecture. . .
At least this administration delivered on a key objective for the war on terror.
At least this administration delivered the news in a professional manner, and timely.
At least this POTUS didn't strut out aboard a USN Aircraft Carrier sporting a sock stuffed jock beneath a coverall while squalling "mission accomplished".
And while it may be true that Spec Ops personnel pulled the trigger, anyone with any level of military experience knows that a mission targeting such a high level objective does NOT get prosecuted without the CIC giving it the green light; right down to the point of trigger pull.
No one is expected to "slobber and drool" over this event; in fact I dare say that the level of celebration that has transpired post operation within this country is highly unacceptable and insidious! In fact, I find it downright disgusting!
It's one thing for our active military personnel to celebrate the achievement of a milestone, but quite another for the average citizen to do so within such a very public venue such as that which has transpired over the past 24-48 hours. These actions serve no useful purpose that would positively contribute to our national/global quality of life, and in fact serve to provide validation for the opposing perspectives and to further inflame their mission; making us no better than those who celebrated the destruction on 9/11. In fact, we're JUST as bad as they are!
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
nope, not at all.
I was talking about Occam's razor.......applying it to the messiah, of all people.
Coulda drooled instead.
Possibly slobbered.
Maybe bowed down to his backbone.
Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.
It is also very telling that you can't be honest enough to give credit to anyone other than your messiah for taking out UBL.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 06:36:51 PM
Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.
It is also very telling that you can't be honest enough to give credit to anyone other than your messiah for taking out UBL.
You saying it does not make it so. Care to clarify your position by providing credible proof that documents these "tools" you speak of? What are they? How are they used? When were they created and implemented?
Personally I know some of the domestic "tools" the chimp put into place tromped all over our individual rights as citizens domestically. . .
I'm still awaiting your proof that current reports surrounding the identification of the courier coming in August 2010 is bullshit. . .
Also, very telling that you have already concluded exactly what happened, and how, despite the fact the Spec Ops personnel responsible for the prosecution of the target have not yet concluded mission debrief per SOP. . .
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
. . .
How about looking at the facts for a bit.
We were gathering intel on UBL even before 9/11 but it wasn't until after 9/11 that we started getting better intel from detainees. You know, those war prisoners being held in secret prisons and being interrogated with techniques that people were all upset about, including Obama. These prisons and techniques were put in place by Bush and started the ball rolling that ultimately lead to UBL's death.
It was during Bush's administration that we learned of the courier that we followed to UBL. This info was obtained from a detainee in one of those 'horrible' prisons using those 'inhumane' techniques. We didn't learn the courier's true name until 2007. In 2009 we learned, by following that courier, areas in Pakistan where he operated.
. . .
Okay let's actually look at fact then shall we?
1. Several of those "tools" you speak of are interrogation methods utilized during WW1/2 and Viet Nam, and all of which were declared "criminal against humanity" by previous administrations and the global community. They clearly break the UCOMJ among other global laws/procedures; of which Bush made a lucid decision to ignore just as he did the U.S. Constitution.
2. During the utilization of these methods, specifically upon two high level "POW's", the only key learning they took away from the session surrounding the courier was a universal denial of knowledge of or the identity of any courier; which was taken as a key indicator that this may be an approach to take toward locating the target.
3. In July last year, information began surfacing surrounding the identification of this courier, and a name was isolated. Then, and only then, did tracking begin to take place, utilizing the cell phone the courier carried. (See previously posted info surrounding details).
ALL of the above were attested to by the head of the CIA and Intelligence just this evening on national news and within the media. Just google it and you will be able to see it for yourself.
So, perhaps it is YOU who needs to do some fact checking and reevaluation surrounding your thought and decision making processes. . . Especially before you start chunking rocks. . .
Aw, geezzz.
Why did ya have ta put them facts into the discussion.
So hard ta argue around 'em.
So disappernted. (Shuffles away, mumbling incoherently.)
Shows' over, folks.
Nothin' ta see here.
Move along.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364797n
(http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364797n)
Here he speaks to enhanced interrogation etc. (I saw his statement surrounding what was elicited via enhanced interrogation live on this same station, but thus far have not found the specific video to post here).
". . .after years of thwarted searches and dead ends, finding the elusive bin Laden had become "America's most vexing intelligence problem," one senior Obama administration official told reporters in a background briefing in Washington early Monday.
A new lead emerged when post-9/11 detainees gave investigators a glimpse into the al Qaeda chief's inner circle, the official said. During questioning, detainees repeatedly mentioned the nickname of a man they said was one of the few couriers bin Laden trusted.
That was the beginning of what President Barack Obama's top counterterrorism adviser described as a painstaking process.
"From the nickname, we tried to find out his real name," a senior U.S. official familiar with the operation said. "It was classic espionage and intel work."
Investigators knew the courier -- a protege of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- was "important," because a number of detainees held out on providing information about him, the senior U.S. official said.
When interrogators pushed Mohammed on the courier's identity, he "lied to protect his protege," the official said. "We knew he was lying, because we already knew (the courier) was a KSM protege," the official said. In fact, other detainees indicated that the courier could have been working for bin Laden, the official added.
While Mohammed held back on information, that in itself made intelligence personnel more interested in the courier because they knew Mohammed was lying, the official said.
U.S. intelligence uncovered the courier's identity four years ago "from a different part of the world," the senior U.S. official said. He declined to say where.
It took two more years to identify where the courier and his brother operated in Pakistan. . ."
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-02/us/bin.laden.hunt_1_elusive-bin-al-qaeda-leader-senior-obama-administration?_s=PM:US
So, based upon the above, it appears either the Director is being evaisive, or the media is spinning, or perhaps it is a little of both.
And yet another "theory" presents itself here:
. . .U.S. officials have said that when the identity of the courier -- who they have not named -- was established in 2007 the U.S. began a path to the house in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where the al Qaeda leader was living.
Analysis of assessments of detainees held at the U.S. Navy's detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, include several mentions of a man by the name of Abu Ahmad al Kuwaiti, who was reportedly close to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- also a Kuwaiti.
The information on the detainee assessments came from U.S. Defense Department documents published by WikiLeaks.
Since the operation that killed bin Laden, U.S. officials have described the courier they were tracking as a protege of Mohammed and another senior member of al Qaeda, Abu Faraj al Libi, a Libyan detainee who was named as al Qaeda's third most senior leader when he was captured in May 2005. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.courier/index.html?hpt=T1
And basically all the above validates is that the true facts are NOT known to the media nor the average citizen. EVERYTHING we have read and heard surrounding this initiative is nothing short of conjecture and spin-doctoring undertaken with an eye toward sensationalism. (As I clearly allude to by utilizing the terminology "reports" within my postings). Additionally, I see nothing that would validate NH's position within the opening post either. . .
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 03, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Aw, geezzz.
Why did ya have ta put them facts into the discussion.
So hard ta argue around 'em.
So disappernted. (Shuffles away, mumbling incoherently.)
Shows' over, folks.
Nothin' ta see here.
Move along.
:icon_twisted: :biggrin:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 06:36:51 PM
Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.
It is also very telling that you can't be honest enough to give credit to anyone other than your messiah for taking out UBL.
Squawk, Your ass kissing of George W. :jester: might work with the idiot wingnut Christian Republicans. But dog breath, your little asshole George W. :jester: was told about Muslims taking flying lessons when he first took office. One rag head only wanted to know about flying the plane. Nothing about landing it or taking it off. :para:
If Georgie Porgy :jester: was so smart and the comrads were so smart why didn't George W. :jester: nip it in the bud. You're a good liar :sneaky:, but not even good enough to get on Fox News. :kissit: :kiss:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 06:36:51 PM
Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.
I find the use of the term, "libtards," in a statement praising someone with a sub-100 IQ more than a little ironic.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2011, 08:57:46 AM
I find the use of the term, "libtards," in a statement praising someone with a sub-100 IQ more than a little ironic.
Exterminator wasn't it Squawk :jester: that was complaining about name calling. :cry: :cry: how Democrats resort to name calling. I think if you look back to the Clinton years and years since, the Republicans are beyond reproach when it comes to name calling.
When you look at the 33% of the hard core, mean, cruel asshole Teabagging Republicans here in America. It doesn't take very long reading one of Squawk's :jester: post to see that he is one of them. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I say, son are you listening to me. I say that Night Squawk :jester: is one of them asshole. :chick: Hee, hee, hee.
Quote from: The Troll on May 04, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
Exterminator wasn't it Squawk :jester: that was complaining about name calling. :cry: :cry: how Democrats resort to name calling. I think if you look back to the Clinton years and years since, the Republicans are beyond reproach when it comes to name calling.
Actually, I think it was "me" but of course she never seems to catch it or comment on it when it's someone on the conservative side of things.
Wow!! Pelosi shows more class than the libs here....
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/159031-pelosi-thanks-bush-for-his-part-in-bin-ladens-downfall-
Quote
Pelosi told reporters that she called the former president earlier in the day to "congratulate him and thank him for the leadership role he had played in this quest over the years."
Quote
"I wanted him to know the appreciation that many of us have in a bipartisan way ... that his role was important," she said.
This morning when I turned of the television I went to Morning Joe of MSNBC for about 15 minutes. Then I turned to Fox News. How on earth, the different slant of killing of Osama bin Laden. I listened for about 10 minutes until the acid in my stomach was telling I was goiing to :puke:
On Fox News the talking heads where singing the praise of George W. Bush. How he set up all of the intelligence that brought bin Laden to his death. How his enhanced interrogation, water boarding give Obama the information that lead to Osama's death.
They were showing pictures of Old George W. standing on the wreckage of the Towers with his megaphone and his are wrapped around a fireman. The first responders who have to prove they are not terrorist to get health care because of some asshole Republican Senator.
One of Fox's talking heads said that Obama had to be careful not to milk the visit to the sight of 9/11 for political reasons.
I can just see it if George W. had got Osama. He would have had a ticket tape ride through New York City and then standing of one on the destroyed iron beams of the Twin Towers with his megaphone telling how good he was.
You can see why all of the Republicans who watch Fox News are fucked up in the head. :trustme:
http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/5lrs
Bush's reaction to the death of Bin Laden
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
Huh. . . so the media reports that the courier utilized in tracking Bin Laden down being identified in August of last year, are bullshit?
Hew was identified by an alias in 2007. If not for this they wouldn't have had a clue where to look or at what in August.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
So the reported (today) method of identification of that courier's cell phone in August of last year, and the reported data that denote that that same cell phone always went dead whenever the courier entered the compound, but only very recently did it fail to do so, providing validation for the mission assumption surrounding the fact Bin Laden was in residence. is also bullshit?
Again, if it wasn't for the information gleaned by the policies of Bush, we would not have known about the courier, his alias nor which phone to watch.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
And I suppose the fact that the U.S. is directly responsible for Bin Laden's rise to power via financial and militarily propping of him is also Bullshit? (Just as we did with SH, who also came back to bite us).
At the time you are speaking of here, Bin Laden was pro American. It wasn't until he was ousted from Saudi Arabia and Sudan did he 'declare war' on the West.
Besides.... There is no proof that the US trained or aided Bin Laden in any way. This whole thing started by a BBC article after 9/11 and is denied by the US, Pakistan, the Afgan Mujahideen, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden himself.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
Interesting that you provide no credible source for your conjecture. . .
Ditto
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
At least this administration delivered on a key objective for the war on terror.
That's one.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
At least this administration delivered the news in a professional manner, and timely.
HA!!! How much back peddling and changing of the story have they done since??
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
At least this POTUS didn't strut out aboard a USN Aircraft Carrier sporting a sock stuffed jock beneath a coverall while squalling "mission accomplished".
Nope, the sock was on his, and his administration's foot, which is now in their mouths.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
And while it may be true that Spec Ops personnel pulled the trigger, anyone with any level of military experience knows that a mission targeting such a high level objective does NOT get prosecuted without the CIC giving it the green light; right down to the point of trigger pull.
Oh, so this WAS a targeted assassination then? I thought your messiah was against that.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
No one is expected to "slobber and drool" over this event; in fact I dare say that the level of celebration that has transpired post operation within this country is highly unacceptable and insidious! In fact, I find it downright disgusting!
It's one thing for our active military personnel to celebrate the achievement of a milestone, but quite another for the average citizen to do so within such a very public venue such as that which has transpired over the past 24-48 hours. These actions serve no useful purpose that would positively contribute to our national/global quality of life, and in fact serve to provide validation for the opposing perspectives and to further inflame their mission; making us no better than those who celebrated the destruction on 9/11. In fact, we're JUST as bad as they are!
Spoken like a true 'bleeding heart liberal'. You people are so obsessed with political correctness that you fail to realize that it doesn't matter what we do it will piss of Muslims. Whether we celebrate or not they are pissed off just by us killing him. People waving a flag and cheering a victory won't make it any worse. Hell, there are even people upset because they used Geronimo as the code word that OBL was dead.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Again, if it wasn't for the information gleaned by the policies of Bush...
LMAO! I'm sure that to you he seems like a pretty smart guy; huh? Wow...
Quote from: Exterminator on May 05, 2011, 09:05:43 AM
LMAO! I'm sure that to you he seems like a pretty smart guy; huh? Wow...
If there was a Buffoon hall of fame. Old Night Squawk would be :no1: in it. Preaching :preach: that old Koch brothers bullshit. I would all most think there was a god if he receive a miracle and received a new brain. :flap: :flap: :flap: :grin2:
What in hell am I thinking. Even God couldn't pull that off that in a miracle. :rotfl: :rotfl: :biggrin:
QuoteWith "birthers" mostly silent, "deathers" are now pushing a new conspiracy theory.
The release of President Obama's birth certificate last week apparently tamped down -- to a large degree -- skeptics who questioned whether he could legally serve as president because they said he wasn't a natural-born citizen. Now, a surprisingly diverse crop of people are questioning whether Osama bin Laden is actually dead.
Way to go, teabaggers! ;D
http://wap.wbaltv.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=8&nid=47859412&cid=15979&scid=-1&ith=1&title=National+News
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Hew was identified by an alias in 2007. If not for this they wouldn't have had a clue where to look or at what in August.
Again, if it wasn't for the information gleaned by the policies of Bush, we would not have known about the courier, his alias nor which phone to watch.
Bullshit. The sources provided earlier agree on one thing; they ALREADY knew the nickname of this courier prior to the start of "enhanced interrogation". . . Spin on. . .
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
At the time you are speaking of here, Bin Laden was pro American. It wasn't until he was ousted from Saudi Arabia and Sudan did he 'declare war' on the West.
Besides.... There is no proof that the US trained or aided Bin Laden in any way. This whole thing started by a BBC article after 9/11 and is denied by the US, Pakistan, the Afgan Mujahideen, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden himself.
:rotfl:. . . a precursory level of research would serve you well here. . .
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Ditto
Done already. . . Completion of reading is always advisable prior to response. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
That's one.
Non responsive.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
HA!!! How much back peddling and changing of the story have they done since??
If by "they" you mean the media, I agree. . .
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Nope, the sock was on his, and his administration's foot, which is now in their mouths.
Oh, so this WAS a targeted assassination then? I thought your messiah was against that.
Yeah. . . right. . . :rolleyes: More spinning!
Wow! You possess a level of clearance that provides you access to mission objectives and debriefing?
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Spoken like a true 'bleeding heart liberal'. You people are so obsessed with political correctness that you fail to realize that it doesn't matter what we do it will piss of Muslims. Whether we celebrate or not they are pissed off just by us killing him. People waving a flag and cheering a victory won't make it any worse. Hell, there are even people upset because they used Geronimo as the code word that OBL was dead.
Careful. . . you'll strain something trying to stretch that far!
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 05, 2011, 07:22:36 PM
Way to go, teabaggers! ;D
http://wap.wbaltv.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=8&nid=47859412&cid=15979&scid=-1&ith=1&title=National+News
Some people still think Elvis is alive, too. :)
WRONG JOHN KING!
THE MEMORIAL TO WHITE HATE IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE OF CHRISTIANITY IS WHAT IT WILL BE!
WHITE AMERICA JUST USES THE VICTIMS OF THE TWIN TOWERS FOR A POLITICAL PLOY AND TOOL!
THE SIGHT WILL OT BE ABOUT THE DEAD BU WHITE CHRISTIANITY>>>>HATE>>>>>ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE!
THAT IS WHAT IT WILL REPRESENT TO THIS AMERICAN!
WHITE POLITICS CHANGED THE FOCUS AND PURPOSE OF THE TWIN TOWER INCIDENT WHAN THE TRIED TO MASTERMIND A RACE RIOT OVER CHRISTIANITY VERSES ISLAM!
THAT IS WHAT THIS NIGGA WILL ALWAYS SEE THE MEMORIAL REPRESENTING!
WHITE AMERICAN HATE!
DON CARTER
Palehorse:
I don't know what 'sources' you have been looking at but every report I have seen says that the courier's nickname was found out by interrogating Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He wasn't captured until after 9/11. He didn't give the name until after he had been waterboarded. He also gave up the info while being held in a secret 'black' prison. Your assertion about having the nickname before the enhanced interrogation techniques is wrong.
I have done the research on bin Laden and his involvement with the US. I stand by my statement. Prove me wrong.
I said it before and I'll say it again. You libtards don't have the class to give credit where credit is due and all of your responces in this thread prove this.
Quote from: Anne on May 05, 2011, 07:54:09 PM
Some people still think Elvis is alive, too. :)
Ha ha! True. :yes:
I hope Obama doesn't tell them the truth. That'll open another whole can of worms. :biggrin:
Quote from: incognito on May 05, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
WRONG JOHN KING!
THE MEMORIAL TO WHITE HATE IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE OF CHRISTIANITY IS WHAT IT WILL BE!
WHITE AMERICA JUST USES THE VICTIMS OF THE TWIN TOWERS FOR A POLITICAL PLOY AND TOOL!
THE SIGHT WILL OT BE ABOUT THE DEAD BU WHITE CHRISTIANITY>>>>HATE>>>>>ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE!
THAT IS WHAT IT WILL REPRESENT TO THIS AMERICAN!
WHITE POLITICS CHANGED THE FOCUS AND PURPOSE OF THE TWIN TOWER INCIDENT WHAN THE TRIED TO MASTERMIND A RACE RIOT OVER CHRISTIANITY VERSES ISLAM!
THAT IS WHAT THIS NIGGA WILL ALWAYS SEE THE MEMORIAL REPRESENTING!
WHITE AMERICAN HATE!
DON CARTER
Here we go again another white Nigga Christian idiot. Searching for that invisible all seeing white hair man in the sky.
Praying to something that doesn't exist, no one has every seen or heard. Some one to watches you every minute, every hour, every day, 365 day a year for ever and ever.
Looking and waiting for you to sin, doing any he says is a sin in your mind, in your dreams and if you do one sin break on law. He will throw you in the fiery pits of Hell :devil29: to burn and smite you for ever and ever because he loves you.
Some body say Amen. :preach: :pray: :pope: and the Holy Ghost :ghost: You got to be nuts. :wall: :flap: :flap: :flap:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 08:40:57 PM
Palehorse:
I don't know what 'sources' you have been looking at but every report I have seen says that the courier's nickname was found out by interrogating Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He wasn't captured until after 9/11. He didn't give the name until after he had been waterboarded. He also gave up the info while being held in a secret 'black' prison. Your assertion about having the nickname before the enhanced interrogation techniques is wrong.
I have done the research on bin Laden and his involvement with the US. I stand by my statement. Prove me wrong.
I said it before and I'll say it again. You libtards don't have the class to give credit where credit is due and all of your responces in this thread prove this.
Just what is your National Sercurty Rating. I'll bet you didn't have the key to the head cleaning supply stores when you were cleaning toilets on that Air Craft Carrier and you know all about Osama bin laden. :rotfl: :rotfl: Watch your tooth brushes men, Squawk is cleaning the toilets. Hee, hee, hee. :grin2:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 05, 2011, 08:40:57 PM
Palehorse:
I don't know what 'sources' you have been looking at but every report I have seen says that the courier's nickname was found out by interrogating Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He wasn't captured until after 9/11. He didn't give the name until after he had been waterboarded. He also gave up the info while being held in a secret 'black' prison. Your assertion about having the nickname before the enhanced interrogation techniques is wrong.
I have done the research on bin Laden and his involvement with the US. I stand by my statement. Prove me wrong.
I said it before and I'll say it again. You libtards don't have the class to give credit where credit is due and all of your responces in this thread prove this.
If you read the links I included in an earlier post you'll see a
small sample, and the fact that even
they appear to contradict one another on the point surrounding the courier. . . proving NONE of the sources are to be trusted.
Your name calling and judgmental disposition do nothing to improve your diminishing credibility rating. . .
After leaving college in 1979, bin Laden arrived in Pakistan and joined Abdullah Azzam to take part in the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden met and built relations with Hamid Gul, who was a three star general in the Pakistani army and head of the ISI agency.
During
Operation Cyclone (from 1979 to 1989), the United States provided
financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen leaders through ISI. (You do the math).
You want a "source" for this information? I'm
still waiting for yours. Until then I will respond in the manner you seem to prefer. . .
If it weren't so sad, it'd be funny how certain right wingers want to give Dubby parial credit for this coup. Yet, they don't want to give him any credit for the dismal shape our country was in when Obama took over.
Talk about classless, hypocritical and stupid. You can't have it both ways rightwingnuts.
Had he any intention of bringing Bin Laden to justice, then our troops would have invaded the right country.
As they talked to George W. on the golf course. He said he wasn't worried about bin Laden. As he turned around he said, "Watch this drive." What, George W. worry. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Now we have another bunch of nuts. Deathers. They don't believe Osama bin Laden is dead. Will the nuts ever give us a break? :wall: :wall: :flap: :flap:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 06, 2011, 06:25:23 AM
If it weren't so sad, it'd be funny how certain right wingers want to give Dubby parial credit for this coup. Yet, they don't want to give him any credit for the dismal shape our country was in when Obama took over.
Talk about classless, hypocritical and stupid. You can't have it both ways rightwingnuts.
Had he any intention of bringing Bin Laden to justice, then our troops would have invaded the right country.
We invaded Afghanistan. That was where he was at the time. He then ran to Pakistan. What were we supposed to do? Invade an allied country with no notice given??
Oh wait, we did!
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 06, 2011, 06:30:37 PM
We invaded Afghanistan. That was where he was at the time. He then ran to Pakistan. What were we supposed to do? Invade an allied country with no notice given??
Oh wait, we did!
He should have focused on Afghanistan. Instead, he used 9/11 to invade another country under the pretext of looking for Osama. I'm sure you've heard of Iraq.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 06, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
He should have focused on Afghanistan. Instead, he used 9/11 to invade another country under the pretext of looking for Osama. I'm sure you've heard of Iraq.
Nope, finding bin Laden was never given as a reason to invade Iraq.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 06, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
Nope, finding bin Laden was never given as a reason to invade Iraq.
WELL :azz: NightSquawk, you finally got one thing right for a change. I say boy, son are your listening to me, you might not be a slow as I have thought. :chick: Hee, hee, hee :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on May 06, 2011, 09:17:59 PM
WELL :azz: NightSquawk, you finally got one thing right for a change. I say boy, son are your listening to me, you might not be a slow as I have thought. :chick: Hee, hee, hee :grin2:
I'm right about a lot of things. You're just to stubborn and close minded to realize it.
To you, if a republican does something it is wrong. If a democrat does the exact same thing, it is fine.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 07, 2011, 02:29:08 PM
I'm right about a lot of things. You're just to stubborn and close minded to realize it.
To you, if a republican does something it is wrong. If a democrat does the exact same thing, it is fine.
Please lay it out for me. I know what the Republican have and are doing wrong. What have the Democrats done that you think is so bad. I think the have done one hell of a lot of things right. Tell me Mister NightHawk. :salute:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 03, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
After the 'offing' of UBL Sunday night we have been inundated with people singing the praises of Obama and how HE killed UBL.
How about looking at the facts for a bit.
We were gathering intel on UBL even before 9/11 but it wasn't until after 9/11 that we started getting better intel from detainees. You know, those war prisoners being held in secret prisons and being interrogated with techniques that people were all upset about, including Obama. These prisons and techniques were put in place by Bush and started the ball rolling that ultimately lead to UBL's death.
It was during Bush's administration that we learned of the courier that we followed to UBL. This info was obtained from a detainee in one of those 'horrible' prisons using those 'inhumane' techniques. We didn't learn the courier's true name until 2007. In 2009 we learned, by following that courier, areas in Pakistan where he operated.
I wasn't JUST Obama, or any one individual that did this. It just happened to be Obama in the WH at the time UBL was killed.
Credit needs to be given to all who had a hand.
So, I give a thank you to Bush and his administration for putting the tools in place to track UBL down. Also, Thanks to Obama and his administration for having the resolve to act on the intel gathered.
But, the biggest THANK YOU should go to the people 'in the trenches' who gathered the intel, pinpointed where he was and especially to the SEAL who ultimately put the bullet in UBL's head.
You really have no clue.
FACTS:
- Cheney took the intel away from the CIA and placed in the Pentagon where he could control it. He was in charge, not bush.
- The CIA had been laidin cornered in Tora Bora in 2001, but the Pentagon wouldn't support them (again based on cheney), so he got away.
- Bush even said he wasn't interested in been laidin in 2002. A fuckin putz.
- Obama made been laidin a priority (like he was under clinton, the guy the first tried to kill him with cruise missiles and warned bush about), remember that fuckball?
- Obama put the intel back in CIA control, they tracked him down, and helped the seals kill him.
Those are facts, yours is all bullshit. I don't like obama because bush and cheney aren't sitting in Spandau awaiting sentencing at the Hague. Their treasonous acts of implementing torture (and warrantless wiretaps, etc) were not the reason we got been laidin; absolutely nothing came from the torture of detainees and in fact, a recent study shows that it slowed progress in going after been laidin. So, bush fucked it up by letting cheney call the shots and they are both failures of the highest order; traitors and failures.
The Topic is giving credit where credit is due.
Well I think Obama and the Democrats are doing one hell of a good job. In taking office he was handed two wars and a sack of shit call the American economy. A hole :dig: so deep that if something hadn't been done we would have had another Herbert Hoover depression. And the Republicans are still trying to sink :titanic: America.
Quote from: dan foster on May 10, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
You really have no clue.
FACTS:
- Cheney took the intel away from the CIA and placed in the Pentagon where he could control it. He was in charge, not bush.
Does it really matter where/who gathered the intel or where it was controlled from? The fact remains that the intel gathered through Bush's presidency contributed greatly to UBL's death.
Quote from: dan foster on May 10, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
- The CIA had been laidin cornered in Tora Bora in 2001, but the Pentagon wouldn't support them (again based on cheney), so he got away.
There is no proof of this. They THOUGHT that UBL MIGHT have been in Tora Bora but were not 100% sure. There are conflicting reports and theories but to this day they still don't know if he was there for sure. Just as we were about to crush the al Queda they negotiated a truce with the Afghan fighters that allowed them time to surrender their weapons. This probably allowed UBL to escape. Also during this 'truce' US soldiers were ready to advance on al Queda forces and the Afghans drew their weapons on the soldiers forcing a 12 hour delay in the action. They later saw who they thought was UBL enter a cave and called in bombing runs. They destroyed the cave system but couldn't confirm if UBL was there or not.
Looks like the Pentagon supported this action to me.
Quote from: dan foster on May 10, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
- Bush even said he wasn't interested in been laidin in 2002. A fuckin putz.
Ah, the left's talking point yet again. These remarks that Bush supposedly made were cherry picked and presented completely out of context. How about looking in to where these remarks came from and what else was said. (Hint: they are from a 2003 WH press conference)
Quote from: dan foster on May 10, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
- Obama made been laidin a priority (like he was under clinton, the guy the first tried to kill him with cruise missiles and warned bush about), remember that fuckball?
Clinton?? Wasn't he the one who shot 66 cruise missiles at UBL and missed?? It was also Clinton that pressured Sudan to oust UBL and that's how he landed in Afghanistan.
Quote from: dan foster on May 10, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
- Obama put the intel back in CIA control, they tracked him down, and helped the seals kill him.
What is so hard to understand that it wasn't JUST intel gathered during Obama that got UBL? It was that combined with intel gathered over the last 10+ years.
Quote from: dan foster on May 10, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
Those are facts, yours is all bullshit. I don't like obama because bush and cheney aren't sitting in Spandau awaiting sentencing at the Hague. Their treasonous acts of implementing torture (and warrantless wiretaps, etc) were not the reason we got been laidin; absolutely nothing came from the torture of detainees and in fact, a recent study shows that it slowed progress in going after been laidin. So, bush fucked it up by letting cheney call the shots and they are both failures of the highest order; traitors and failures.
More of the lefty rhetoric. Bush and Chaney were war criminals and traitors. Give it a rest. If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.
WTF?
I for one thought that we shouldn't have taken any Taliban prisoners in the first place, kill them on the spot. But if you going to catch them and you lock them up. They deserve a honest and fair trial Just like we would expect from anyone who has caught of people.
It makes us look very bad when we do what uncivilized people do. But then and again the Republicans are real good at "Doing what I say, not what I do." :grin2:
NightSquawk :turk: You say that we were not sure that Bin laden wasn't' at Tora Bora. Well you are 100% wrong on that one. They heard him talking of his cell phone. There are recording of that.
But some dumbass reporter stated in his newspaper that he could be heard talking of his cell phone. He stopped using it. This is a fact. In fact in his hiding place there was no phone, no internet and no cell phones of satellite telephones. All he had was a TV and a disc player and a VCR.
With him sitting on the floor with a blanket over his shoulders. He must not have had a chair or heat. Hell he's been in prison for 7 years. Spooky ain't it. :biggrin:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
Does it really matter where/who gathered the intel or where it was controlled from? The fact remains that the intel gathered through Bush's presidency contributed greatly to UBL's death.
There is no proof of this. They THOUGHT that UBL MIGHT have been in Tora Bora but were not 100% sure. There are conflicting reports and theories but to this day they still don't know if he was there for sure. Just as we were about to crush the al Queda they negotiated a truce with the Afghan fighters that allowed them time to surrender their weapons. This probably allowed UBL to escape. Also during this 'truce' US soldiers were ready to advance on al Queda forces and the Afghans drew their weapons on the soldiers forcing a 12 hour delay in the action. They later saw who they thought was UBL enter a cave and called in bombing runs. They destroyed the cave system but couldn't confirm if UBL was there or not.
Looks like the Pentagon supported this action to me.
Ah, the left's talking point yet again. These remarks that Bush supposedly made were cherry picked and presented completely out of context. How about looking in to where these remarks came from and what else was said. (Hint: they are from a 2003 WH press conference)
Clinton?? Wasn't he the one who shot 66 cruise missiles at UBL and missed?? It was also Clinton that pressured Sudan to oust UBL and that's how he landed in Afghanistan.
What is so hard to understand that it wasn't JUST intel gathered during Obama that got UBL? It was that combined with intel gathered over the last 10+ years.
More of the lefty rhetoric. Bush and Chaney were war criminals and traitors. Give it a rest. If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.
Confused much?
Take into consideration that you're dealing with someone who thinks Bush is a pretty smart fella...it's all relative.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 11, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
Take into consideration that you're dealing with someone who thinks Bush is a pretty smart fella...it's all relative.
Oh, Clinton fired 66 cruise missles at Osama. As I remember it, on Fox News it was Clinton wagging the dog. Trying to cover-up the blow job he got from Monica.
Good old Fox. Only one time did they get a picture of Monica hugging Clinton, you know the one I am talking about, where the cock sucker hugged Bill of TV. I'd bet Fox News played that one clip a thousand times and they still couldn't hang him. :rotfl: :rotfl: :biggrin: Poor old bill, the crafty devil. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 11, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
Confused much?
I thought this was fairly straight forward but I forgot what group I was talking to.
Here, maybe this will be a bit easier on your little brains:
"If Obummer had been in office
Instead of Bush, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around."
But Squawker it didn't happen that way. No matter how much you want Obama to fail, to the point to driving this country into a depression and destruction. It just didn't happen that way. You're going to have to stop sniffing spray paint or computer spray cleaner. You are damaging you brain. :knife: This is you brain of Republican thinking > :knife:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
. . .
Here, maybe this will be a bit easier on your little brains:
"If Obummer had been in office Instead of Bush, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around."
Let me put this into your preferred style:
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Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
Does it really matter where/who gathered the intel or where it was controlled from? The fact remains that the intel gathered through Bush's presidency contributed greatly to UBL's death.
There is no proof of this. They THOUGHT that UBL MIGHT have been in Tora Bora but were not 100% sure. There are conflicting reports and theories but to this day they still don't know if he was there for sure. Just as we were about to crush the al Queda they negotiated a truce with the Afghan fighters that allowed them time to surrender their weapons. This probably allowed UBL to escape. Also during this 'truce' US soldiers were ready to advance on al Queda forces and the Afghans drew their weapons on the soldiers forcing a 12 hour delay in the action. They later saw who they thought was UBL enter a cave and called in bombing runs. They destroyed the cave system but couldn't confirm if UBL was there or not.
Looks like the Pentagon supported this action to me.
Ah, the left's talking point yet again. These remarks that Bush supposedly made were cherry picked and presented completely out of context. How about looking in to where these remarks came from and what else was said. (Hint: they are from a 2003 WH press conference)
Clinton?? Wasn't he the one who shot 66 cruise missiles at UBL and missed?? It was also Clinton that pressured Sudan to oust UBL and that's how he landed in Afghanistan.
What is so hard to understand that it wasn't JUST intel gathered during Obama that got UBL? It was that combined with intel gathered over the last 10+ years.
More of the lefty rhetoric. Bush and Chaney were war criminals and traitors. Give it a rest. If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.
Again, you have no clue. Yes it mattered who did the intel and none of the intel from cheney/bush helped. The only credit cheney/bush deserve is their traitorous acts as commander in thief. I really don't feel like arguing with you as you have no access to the truth, as a fox adherent, and have no idea what really happened. Cheney/bush were failures, should be in jail and no amount of bullshit from you will change that, nor the fact they failed (after giving up) to get UBL and Obama did and that just crawls right up you nazi muther fucker's assess, doesn't it?
Quote from: dan foster on May 11, 2011, 07:46:48 PM
Again, you have no clue. Yes it mattered who did the intel and none of the intel from cheney/bush helped. The only credit cheney/bush deserve is their traitorous acts as commander in thief. I really don't feel like arguing with you as you have no access to the truth, as a fox adherent, and have no idea what really happened. Cheney/bush were failures, should be in jail and no amount of bullshit from you will change that, nor the fact they failed (after giving up) to get UBL and Obama did and that just crawls right up you nazi muther fucker's assess, doesn't it?
It's really sad that you hate Bush so much that you can't even be honest with yourself nor see the facts as they are.
Everyone, including Obummers administration admits that the intel gathered during Bush's administration was instrumental in finding and killing UBL. Everyone except for Obummer himself that is. Hell, even Pelosi called Bush to thank him.
You condemn Bush and co. for what they did but give Obummer and co. a free pass for doing pretty much the same things.
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 07:59:59 PM
It's really sad that you hate Bush so much that you can't even be honest with yourself nor see the facts as they are.
Everyone, including Obummers administration admits that the intel gathered during Bush's administration was instrumental in finding and killing UBL. Everyone except for Obummer himself that is. Hell, even Pelosi called Bush to thank him.
You condemn Bush and co. for what they did but give Obummer and co. a free pass for doing pretty much the same things.
Squawker since you hate Obama, Pelosi and Reed, please tell what bit of intelligentsia's :spooked: the George W. circus provided.
You sure are smart. I hate that dumbass George W. Bush and the Republican like I have never hated anything before. The hate goes to the marrow of my bones. Their evil, they could be the Antichrist if I believed all that bullshit.
Besides screwing up America economically and killing and murdering over 4,500 of our young men and women and the people trapped in the Twin Towers 9/11. Plus over 30,000 so wounded, so badly they will never be functional again. Permanently brain damaged and crippled with many missing limbs, eyes and burnt to a cinder with no skin or ears or fingers or toes. That the main two hates I have for George W. and the Republican Party.
But the direct hurt, he cost me $63,000 in his con-game stock market. The same stock market he wanted to put our Social Security in. He fuck millions of people out of Trillions on dollars. I could go on how much I hate the Teabagging Republican Party and George W. If you want any more reasons, let me know. Fuck all of them. :finger2: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on May 11, 2011, 09:46:11 PM
Squawker since you hate Obama, Pelosi and Reed, please tell what bit of intelligentsia's :spooked: the George W. circus provided.
You sure are smart. I hate that dumbass George W. Bush and the Republican like I have never hated anything before. The hate goes to the marrow of my bones. Their evil, they could be the Antichrist if I believed all that bullshit.
Besides screwing up America economically and killing and murdering over 4,500 of our young men and women and the people trapped in the Twin Towers 9/11. Plus over 30,000 so wounded, so badly they will never be functional again. Permanently brain damaged and crippled with many missing limbs, eyes and burnt to a cinder with no skin or ears or fingers or toes. That the main two hates I have for George W. and the Republican Party.
But the direct hurt, he cost me $63,000 in his con-game stock market. The same stock market he wanted to put our Social Security in. He fuck millions of people out of Trillions on dollars. I could go on how much I hate the Teabagging Republican Party and George W. If you want any more reasons, let me know. Fuck all of them. :finger2: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
On top of all that hate are you a 'truther' too?
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
I thought this was fairly straight forward but I forgot what group I was talking to.
Here, maybe this will be a bit easier on your little brains:
"If Obummer had been in office Instead of Bush, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around."
Your first mistake, thinking, it's apparently not something you're used to or comfortable with. This fact is evidenced by the fact that you obviously "think" bastardizing Obama's name is clever and the cliche "bleeding heart liberal" is cutting. The last, but quite humorous bit of evidence is the way you keep trotting out a hypothetical as if it actually supports your point. :biggrin:
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 11, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
On top of all that hate are you a 'truther' too?
Since you are a birther, I don't want to muddy your thinking. No, I am not a truther. George W. and the Republican Party couldn't possibly have pulled something like this in the time frame of the event. They are not nowhere that smart.
They would fuck up a wet dream. But they sure sat on their ass when they were told about Bin Laden's plan to fly plane into buildings and Arabs taking flying lessons and they didn't want to know how to land of take off the plane. Just how to fly it. :flap: :flap:
When I took flying lessons and I got my pilot's licence. Taking off and landing was a very important part of flying an airplane. Of course you don't need a licence to fly. You're so right wing, all you could do is fly circles and go nowhere. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on May 11, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
Since you are a birther, I don't want to muddy your thinking. No, I am not a truther. George W. and the Republican Party couldn't possibly have pulled something like this in the time frame of the event. They are not nowhere that smart.
They would fuck up a wet dream. But they sure sat on their ass when they were told about Bin Laden's plan to fly plane into buildings and Arabs taking flying lessons and they didn't want to know how to land of take off the plane. Just how to fly it. :flap: :flap:
When I took flying lessons and I got my pilot's licence. Taking off and landing was a very important part of flying an airplane. Of course you don't need a licence to fly. You're so right wing, all you could do is fly circles and go nowhere. :biggrin:
Again the Republicans are caught with their pants down, like so many time before.
General Motors has almost set a record since the came out of bankruptcy. They made billions in in profit in the first quarter. Also GM has invested $3.4 Billion in the U.S plants and 9,000 high paying jobs. Henry that ain't chicken feed. Also Chrysler is making money and going to pay back their loans next year and General Motors is not far behind. Talk about Moorooons! The bird brain boys. How in hell can these boys be wrong so many time. It's a wonder they haven't forgot how to breath. They have already stop :stop: thinking. I say these boys, I say boys can you hear me. Sons you're really SLOW. Hee, hee, hee.
But we have several people on this Zone who didn't want to save the American auto companies. Henry and NightSquawk. Just think how unAmerican that would be not to save two of our greatest assets. One of reasons they have UAW union workers in them. These children are so right wing that if they attempted to fly their huge right wing at take off would turn them sharply to the right and over on their backs to one hell of a crash. Hee, hee, hee.
Them boys are probably unhappy that Old Feeble John Mc Cain and his dummy Sarah Palin didn't win and really wreak this country. They sure don't wish for Obama and the Democrats any sucess in turning around George W. pile of shit, the economy, he left us. :yes: :yes: :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on May 11, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
Since you are a birther, I don't want to muddy your thinking. No, I am not a truther. George W. and the Republican Party couldn't possibly have pulled something like this in the time frame of the event. They are not nowhere that smart.
They would fuck up a wet dream. But they sure sat on their ass when they were told about Bin Laden's plan to fly plane into buildings and Arabs taking flying lessons and they didn't want to know how to land of take off the plane. Just how to fly it. :flap: :flap:
When I took flying lessons and I got my pilot's licence. Taking off and landing was a very important part of flying an airplane. Of course you don't need a licence to fly. You're so right wing, all you could do is fly circles and go nowhere. :biggrin:
I'm a birther?? Since when? And by what are you basing this on?
You may not be a truther in the strictest sense of the word, but you do have LIHOP leanings.
Let's see, you say that Bush & co. sat on their asses even though they 'knew about bin Laden's plans to fly planes into buildings'. I have researched this fairly well and at best they knew of two of the hijackers before 9/11. One was mentioned by a field agent in a memo that never got to Bush. The second was Moussaoui who was mentioned in an August 15, 2001 report, less than a month before 9/11 but investigations into him were blocked by the justice department. Again, Bush was never informed.
As long as you're finger pointing why not look into all the warnings and reports that were done during Clinton's administration? He (they) had just as many if not more than Bush's administration but they did nothing about it either for fears of upsetting the aviation business.
Even with that, neither administration had any concrete information that pointed to how, where or when the attacks would take place. It's easy to sit back after the fact and say "if we would have done this or acted on that, the attacks would never have happened." Hindsight is 20/20 you know.
Quote from: The Troll on May 12, 2011, 08:32:19 AM
Again the Republicans are caught with their pants down, like so many time before.
General Motors has almost set a record since the came out of bankruptcy. They made billions in in profit in the first quarter. Also GM has invested $3.4 Billion in the U.S plants and 9,000 high paying jobs. Henry that ain't chicken feed. Also Chrysler is making money and going to pay back their loans next year and General Motors is not far behind. Talk about Moorooons! The bird brain boys. How in hell can these boys be wrong so many time. It's a wonder they haven't forgot how to breath. They have already stop :stop: thinking. I say these boys, I say boys can you hear me. Sons you're really SLOW. Hee, hee, hee.
But we have several people on this Zone who didn't want to save the American auto companies. Henry and NightSquawk. Just think how unAmerican that would be not to save two of our greatest assets. One of reasons they have UAW union workers in them. These children are so right wing that if they attempted to fly their huge right wing at take off would turn them sharply to the right and over on their backs to one hell of a crash. Hee, hee, hee.
Them boys are probably unhappy that Old Feeble John Mc Cain and his dummy Sarah Palin didn't win and really wreak this country. They sure don't wish for Obama and the Democrats any sucess in turning around George W. pile of shit, the economy, he left us. :yes: :yes: :kiss:
that is great that GM is showing a profit. I will hold any major applause until the government sells all of their stock. Of course, at today's stock prices for GM, the taxpayers stand to lose about 11 Billion on this deal. We'll just have to wait and see.
When are you going to start bitching about GM's 45.4 Billion dollar tax exemption that they get for being a TARP company?
Quote from: Nighthawk on May 12, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
that is great that GM is showing a profit. I will hold any major applause until the government sells all of their stock. Of course, at today's stock prices for GM, the taxpayers stand to lose about 11 Billion on this deal. We'll just have to wait and see.
When are you going to start bitching about GM's 45.4 Billion dollar tax exemption that they get for being a TARP company?
When did you become a Birther, the same time you said I was a Truther. I never heard you say that you knew that Obama was an American. :doah:
The new head of the the Republican Party said, that if the economy was still bad at election time Obama couldn't be elected. Now just watch the Republicans destroy what is left of the shitty economy George left us with. They will do anything to win and I do mean anything to win. The Crafty Bastards. :devil29:
Giving American car company tax breaks. I rather do that than give bonus to foreign oil companies. Like the Dutch, British, and the Mexican oil companies. You're a true Teabagging Republican, nothing for the middle class business men, but all of the money the rich and oil companies can stand. Another stupid person who's head could break a hammer. :biggrin: