Giving credit where credit is due

[Palehorse]

Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.

It is also very telling that you can't be honest enough to give credit to anyone other than your messiah for taking out UBL.

You saying it does not make it so. Care to clarify your position by providing credible proof that documents these "tools" you speak of? What are they? How are they used? When were they created and implemented?

Personally I know some of the domestic "tools" the chimp put into place tromped all over our individual rights as citizens domestically. . .

I'm still awaiting your proof that current reports surrounding the identification of the courier coming in August 2010 is bullshit. . .

Also, very telling that you have already concluded exactly what happened, and how, despite the fact the Spec Ops personnel responsible for the prosecution of the target have not yet concluded mission debrief per SOP. . .

[Palehorse]

. . .
How about looking at the facts for a bit.

We were gathering intel on UBL even before 9/11 but it wasn't until after 9/11 that we started getting better intel from detainees. You know, those war prisoners being held in secret prisons and being interrogated with techniques that people were all upset about, including Obama. These prisons and techniques were put in place by Bush and started the ball rolling that ultimately lead to UBL's death.

It was during Bush's administration that we learned of the courier that we followed to UBL. This info was obtained from a detainee in one of those 'horrible' prisons using those 'inhumane' techniques. We didn't learn the courier's true name until 2007. In 2009 we learned, by following that courier, areas in Pakistan where he operated.

. . .

Okay let's actually look at fact then shall we?

1. Several of those "tools" you speak of are interrogation methods utilized during WW1/2 and Viet Nam, and all of which were declared "criminal against humanity" by previous administrations and the global community. They clearly break the UCOMJ among other global laws/procedures; of which Bush made a lucid decision to ignore just as he did the U.S. Constitution.

2. During the utilization of these methods, specifically upon two high level "POW's", the only key learning they took away from the session surrounding the courier was a universal denial of knowledge of or the identity of any courier; which was taken as a key indicator that this may be an approach to take toward locating the target.

3. In July last year, information began surfacing surrounding the identification of this courier, and a name was isolated. Then, and only then, did tracking begin to take place, utilizing the cell phone the courier carried. (See previously posted info surrounding details).

ALL of the above were attested to by the head of the CIA and Intelligence just this evening on national news and within the media. Just google it and you will be able to see it for yourself.

So, perhaps it is YOU who needs to do some fact checking and reevaluation surrounding your thought and decision making processes. . . Especially before you start chunking rocks. . .

[followsthewolf]

Aw, geezzz.

Why did ya have ta put them facts into the discussion.

So hard ta argue around 'em.

So disappernted. (Shuffles away, mumbling incoherently.)

Shows' over, folks.

Nothin' ta see here.

Move along.

[Palehorse]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7364797n

Here he speaks to enhanced interrogation etc. (I saw his statement surrounding what was elicited via enhanced interrogation live on this same station, but thus far have not found the specific video to post here).

". . .after years of thwarted searches and dead ends, finding the elusive bin Laden had become "America's most vexing intelligence problem," one senior Obama administration official told reporters in a background briefing in Washington early Monday.
A new lead emerged when post-9/11 detainees gave investigators a glimpse into the al Qaeda chief's inner circle, the official said. During questioning, detainees repeatedly mentioned the nickname of a man they said was one of the few couriers bin Laden trusted.
That was the beginning of what President Barack Obama's top counterterrorism adviser described as a painstaking process.
"From the nickname, we tried to find out his real name," a senior U.S. official familiar with the operation said. "It was classic espionage and intel work."
Investigators knew the courier -- a protege of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- was "important," because a number of detainees held out on providing information about him, the senior U.S. official said.
When interrogators pushed Mohammed on the courier's identity, he "lied to protect his protege," the official said. "We knew he was lying, because we already knew (the courier) was a KSM protege," the official said. In fact, other detainees indicated that the courier could have been working for bin Laden, the official added.
While Mohammed held back on information, that in itself made intelligence personnel more interested in the courier because they knew Mohammed was lying, the official said.
U.S. intelligence uncovered the courier's identity four years ago "from a different part of the world," the senior U.S. official said. He declined to say where.
It took two more years to identify where the courier and his brother operated in Pakistan. . ."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-02/us/bin.laden.hunt_1_elusive-bin-al-qaeda-leader-senior-obama-administration?_s=PM:US

So, based upon the above, it appears either the Director is being evaisive, or the media is spinning, or perhaps it is a little of both.

And yet another "theory" presents itself here:

. . .U.S. officials have said that when the identity of the courier -- who they have not named -- was established in 2007 the U.S. began a path to the house in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where the al Qaeda leader was living.
Analysis of assessments of detainees held at the U.S. Navy's detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, include several mentions of a man by the name of Abu Ahmad al Kuwaiti, who was reportedly close to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- also a Kuwaiti.
The information on the detainee assessments came from U.S. Defense Department documents published by WikiLeaks.
Since the operation that killed bin Laden, U.S. officials have described the courier they were tracking as a protege of Mohammed and another senior member of al Qaeda, Abu Faraj al Libi, a Libyan detainee who was named as al Qaeda's third most senior leader when he was captured in May 2005. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.courier/index.html?hpt=T1

And basically all the above validates is that the true facts are NOT known to the media nor the average citizen. EVERYTHING we have read and heard surrounding this initiative is nothing short of conjecture and spin-doctoring undertaken with an eye toward sensationalism. (As I clearly allude to by utilizing the terminology "reports" within my postings). Additionally, I see nothing that would validate NH's position within the opening post either. . .

[Palehorse]

Aw, geezzz.

Why did ya have ta put them facts into the discussion.

So hard ta argue around 'em.

So disappernted. (Shuffles away, mumbling incoherently.)

Shows' over, folks.

Nothin' ta see here.

Move along.

[The Troll]

Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.

It is also very telling that you can't be honest enough to give credit to anyone other than your messiah for taking out UBL.

  Squawk,  Your ass kissing of George W. might work with the idiot wingnut Christian Republicans.  But dog breath, your little asshole George W. was told about Muslims taking flying lessons when he first took office.  One rag head only wanted to know about flying the plane.  Nothing about landing it or taking it off.

  If Georgie Porgy was so smart and the comrads were so smart why didn't George W. nip it in the bud.  You're a good liar , but not even good enough to get on Fox News.   

[Exterminator]

Very telling that not a single one of you libtards can admit the fact that this mission against UBL would NOT of happened if Bush's policies and procedures were not in place.

I find the use of the term, "libtards," in a statement praising someone with a sub-100 IQ more than a little ironic.

[The Troll]

I find the use of the term, "libtards," in a statement praising someone with a sub-100 IQ more than a little ironic.

  Exterminator wasn't it Squawk that was complaining about name calling.  how Democrats resort to name calling.  I think if you look back to the Clinton years and years since, the Republicans are beyond reproach when it comes to name calling.

  When you look at the 33% of the hard core, mean, cruel asshole Teabagging Republicans here in America.  It doesn't take very long reading one of Squawk's post to see that he is one of them.      I say, son are you listening to me.  I say that Night Squawk is one of them asshole.   Hee, hee, hee.

[Sandy Eggo]

  Exterminator wasn't it Squawk that was complaining about name calling.  how Democrats resort to name calling.  I think if you look back to the Clinton years and years since, the Republicans are beyond reproach when it comes to name calling.

 

Actually, I think it was "me" but of course she never seems to catch it or comment on it when it's someone on the conservative side of things.

[Nighthawk]

Wow!! Pelosi shows more class than the libs here....

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/159031-pelosi-thanks-bush-for-his-part-in-bin-ladens-downfall-

Pelosi told reporters that she called the former president earlier in the day to "congratulate him and thank him for the leadership role he had played in this quest over the years."

"I wanted him to know the appreciation that many of us have in a bipartisan way ... that his role was important," she said.

[The Troll]

  This morning when I turned of the television I went to Morning Joe of MSNBC for about 15 minutes.  Then I turned to Fox News.  How on earth, the different slant of killing of Osama bin Laden.  I listened for about 10 minutes until the acid in my stomach was telling I was goiing to

  On Fox News the talking heads where singing the praise of George W. Bush.  How he set up all of the intelligence that brought bin Laden to his death.  How his enhanced interrogation, water boarding give Obama the information that lead to Osama's death.

  They were showing pictures of Old George W. standing on the wreckage of the Towers with his megaphone and his are wrapped around a fireman.  The first responders who have to prove they are not terrorist to get health care because of some asshole Republican Senator.

  One of Fox's talking heads said that Obama had to be careful not to milk the visit to the sight of 9/11 for political reasons.

  I can just see it if George W. had got Osama.  He would have had a ticket tape ride through New York City and then standing of one on the destroyed iron beams of the Twin Towers with his megaphone telling how good he was.

  You can see why all of the Republicans who watch Fox News are fucked up in the head. 

[Sandy Eggo]

http://funnyordie.com/m/5lrs

Bush's reaction to the death of Bin Laden

[Nighthawk]

Huh. . . so the media reports that the courier utilized in tracking Bin Laden down being identified in August of last year, are bullshit?

Hew was identified by an alias in 2007. If not for this they wouldn't have had a clue where to look or at what in August.

So the reported (today) method of identification of that courier's cell phone in August of last year, and the reported data that denote that that same cell phone always went dead whenever the courier entered the compound, but only very recently did it fail to do so, providing validation for the mission assumption surrounding the fact Bin Laden was in residence. is also bullshit?

Again, if it wasn't for the information gleaned by the policies of Bush, we would not have known about the courier, his alias nor which phone to watch.

And I suppose the fact that the U.S. is directly responsible for Bin Laden's rise to power via financial and militarily propping of him is also Bullshit? (Just as we did with SH, who also came back to bite us).

At the time you are speaking of here, Bin Laden was pro American. It wasn't until he was ousted from Saudi Arabia and Sudan did he 'declare war' on the West.

Besides.... There is no proof that the US trained or aided Bin Laden in any way. This whole thing started by a BBC article after 9/11 and is denied by the US, Pakistan, the Afgan Mujahideen,  Ayman al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden himself.

Interesting that you provide no credible source for your conjecture. . .

Ditto

At least this administration delivered on a key objective for the war on terror.

That's one.

At least this administration delivered the news in a professional manner, and timely.

HA!!! How much back peddling and changing of the story have they done since??

At least this POTUS didn't strut out aboard a USN Aircraft Carrier sporting a sock stuffed jock beneath a coverall while squalling "mission accomplished".

Nope, the sock was on his, and his administration's foot, which is now in their mouths.

And while it may be true that Spec Ops personnel pulled the trigger, anyone with any level of military experience knows that a mission targeting such a high level objective does NOT get prosecuted without the CIC giving it the green light; right down to the point of trigger pull.

Oh, so this WAS a targeted assassination then? I thought your messiah was against that.

No one is expected to "slobber and drool" over this event; in fact I dare say that the level of celebration that has transpired post operation within this country is highly unacceptable and insidious! In fact, I find it downright disgusting!

It's one thing for our active military personnel to celebrate the achievement of a milestone, but quite another for the average citizen to do so within such a very public venue such as that which has transpired over the past 24-48 hours. These actions serve no useful purpose that would positively contribute to our national/global quality of life, and in fact serve to provide validation for the opposing perspectives and to further inflame their mission; making us no better than those who celebrated the destruction on 9/11. In fact, we're JUST as bad as they are!

Spoken like a true 'bleeding heart liberal'. You people are so obsessed with political correctness that you fail to realize that it doesn't matter what we do it will piss of Muslims. Whether we celebrate or not they are pissed off just by us killing him. People waving a flag and cheering a victory won't make it any worse. Hell, there are even people upset because they used Geronimo as the code word that OBL was dead.

[Exterminator]

Again, if it wasn't for the information gleaned by the policies of Bush...

LMAO!  I'm sure that to you he seems like a pretty smart guy; huh?  Wow...

[The Troll]

LMAO!  I'm sure that to you he seems like a pretty smart guy; huh?  Wow...

  If there was a Buffoon hall of fame.  Old Night Squawk would be in it.  Preaching that old Koch brothers bullshit.  I would all most think there was a god if he receive a miracle and received a new brain.     

  What in hell am I thinking.  Even God couldn't pull that off that in a miracle.