Giving credit where credit is due

[Nighthawk]

  WELL   NightSquawk, you finally got one thing right for a change.  I say boy, son are your listening to me, you might not be a slow as I have thought.   Hee, hee, hee

I'm right about a lot of things. You're just to stubborn and close minded to realize it.

To you, if a republican does something it is wrong. If a democrat does the exact same thing, it is fine.

[The Troll]

I'm right about a lot of things. You're just to stubborn and close minded to realize it.

To you, if a republican does something it is wrong. If a democrat does the exact same thing, it is fine.

  Please lay it out for me.  I know what the Republican have and are doing wrong.  What have the Democrats done that you think is so bad.  I think the have done one hell of a lot of things right.  Tell me Mister NightHawk.

[dan foster]

After the 'offing' of UBL Sunday night we have been inundated with people singing the praises of Obama and how HE killed UBL.

How about looking at the facts for a bit.

We were gathering intel on UBL even before 9/11 but it wasn't until after 9/11 that we started getting better intel from detainees. You know, those war prisoners being held in secret prisons and being interrogated with techniques that people were all upset about, including Obama. These prisons and techniques were put in place by Bush and started the ball rolling that ultimately lead to UBL's death.

It was during Bush's administration that we learned of the courier that we followed to UBL. This info was obtained from a detainee in one of those 'horrible' prisons using those 'inhumane' techniques. We didn't learn the courier's true name until 2007. In 2009 we learned, by following that courier, areas in Pakistan where he operated.

I wasn't JUST Obama, or any one individual that did this. It just happened to be Obama in the WH at the time UBL was killed.

Credit needs to be given to all who had a hand.

So, I give a thank you to Bush and his administration for putting the tools in place to track UBL down. Also, Thanks to Obama and his administration for having the resolve to act on the intel gathered.

But, the biggest THANK YOU should go to the people 'in the trenches' who gathered the intel, pinpointed where he was and especially to the SEAL who ultimately put the bullet in UBL's head.

You really have no clue.

FACTS:

- Cheney took the intel away from the CIA and placed in the Pentagon where he could control it.  He was in charge, not bush.

- The CIA had been laidin cornered in Tora Bora in 2001, but the Pentagon wouldn't support them (again based on cheney), so he got away.

- Bush even said he wasn't interested in been laidin in 2002.  A fuckin putz.

- Obama made been laidin a priority (like he was under clinton, the guy the first tried to kill him with cruise missiles and warned bush about), remember that fuckball?

- Obama put the intel back in CIA control, they tracked him down, and helped the seals kill him.

Those are facts, yours is all bullshit.  I don't like obama because bush and cheney aren't sitting in Spandau awaiting sentencing at the Hague.  Their treasonous acts of implementing torture (and warrantless wiretaps, etc) were not the reason we got been laidin; absolutely nothing came from the torture of detainees and in fact, a recent study shows that it slowed progress in going after been laidin.  So, bush fucked it up by letting cheney call the shots and they are both failures of the highest order; traitors and failures.

[The Troll]

  The Topic is giving credit where credit is due.

  Well I think Obama and the Democrats are doing one hell of a good job.  In taking office he was handed two wars and a sack of shit call the American economy.   A hole so deep that if something hadn't been done we would have had another Herbert Hoover depression.  And the Republicans are still trying to sink America.

[Nighthawk]

You really have no clue.

FACTS:

- Cheney took the intel away from the CIA and placed in the Pentagon where he could control it.  He was in charge, not bush.

Does it really matter where/who gathered the intel or where it was controlled from? The fact remains that the intel gathered through Bush's presidency contributed greatly to UBL's death.

- The CIA had been laidin cornered in Tora Bora in 2001, but the Pentagon wouldn't support them (again based on cheney), so he got away.

There is no proof of this. They THOUGHT that UBL MIGHT have been in Tora Bora but were not 100% sure. There are conflicting reports and theories but to this day they still don't know if he was there for sure. Just as we were about to crush the al Queda they negotiated a truce with the Afghan fighters that allowed them time to surrender their weapons. This probably allowed UBL to escape. Also during this 'truce' US soldiers were ready to advance on al Queda forces and the Afghans drew their weapons on the soldiers forcing a 12 hour delay in the action. They later saw who they thought was UBL enter a cave and called in bombing runs. They destroyed the cave system but couldn't confirm if UBL was there or not.

Looks like the Pentagon supported this action to me.

- Bush even said he wasn't interested in been laidin in 2002.  A fuckin putz.

Ah, the left's talking point yet again. These remarks that Bush supposedly made were cherry picked and presented completely out of context. How about looking in to where these remarks came from and what else was said. (Hint: they are from a 2003 WH press conference)

- Obama made been laidin a priority (like he was under clinton, the guy the first tried to kill him with cruise missiles and warned bush about), remember that fuckball?

Clinton?? Wasn't he the one who shot 66 cruise missiles at UBL and missed?? It was also Clinton that pressured Sudan to oust UBL and that's how he landed in Afghanistan.

- Obama put the intel back in CIA control, they tracked him down, and helped the seals kill him.

What is so hard to understand that it wasn't JUST intel gathered during Obama that got UBL? It was that combined with intel gathered over the last 10+ years.

Those are facts, yours is all bullshit.  I don't like obama because bush and cheney aren't sitting in Spandau awaiting sentencing at the Hague.  Their treasonous acts of implementing torture (and warrantless wiretaps, etc) were not the reason we got been laidin; absolutely nothing came from the torture of detainees and in fact, a recent study shows that it slowed progress in going after been laidin.  So, bush fucked it up by letting cheney call the shots and they are both failures of the highest order; traitors and failures.

More of the lefty rhetoric. Bush and Chaney were war criminals and traitors. Give it a rest. If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.

[Exterminator]

If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.

WTF?

[The Troll]

  I for one thought that we shouldn't have taken any Taliban prisoners in the first place, kill them on the spot.  But if you going to catch them and you lock them up.  They deserve a honest and fair trial  Just like we would expect from anyone who has caught of people.

  It makes us look very bad when we do what uncivilized people do.  But then and again the Republicans are real good at "Doing what I say, not what I do."

[The Troll]

  NightSquawk   You say that we were not sure that Bin laden wasn't' at Tora Bora.  Well you are 100% wrong on that one.  They heard him talking of his cell phone.  There are recording of that.

  But some dumbass reporter stated in his newspaper that he could be heard talking of his cell phone.  He stopped using it.  This is a fact.  In fact in his hiding place there was no phone, no internet and no cell phones of satellite telephones.  All he had was a TV and a disc player and a VCR.

  With him sitting on the floor with a blanket over his shoulders.  He must not have had a chair or heat.  Hell he's been in prison for 7 years.  Spooky ain't it.   

[Sandy Eggo]

Does it really matter where/who gathered the intel or where it was controlled from? The fact remains that the intel gathered through Bush's presidency contributed greatly to UBL's death.

There is no proof of this. They THOUGHT that UBL MIGHT have been in Tora Bora but were not 100% sure. There are conflicting reports and theories but to this day they still don't know if he was there for sure. Just as we were about to crush the al Queda they negotiated a truce with the Afghan fighters that allowed them time to surrender their weapons. This probably allowed UBL to escape. Also during this 'truce' US soldiers were ready to advance on al Queda forces and the Afghans drew their weapons on the soldiers forcing a 12 hour delay in the action. They later saw who they thought was UBL enter a cave and called in bombing runs. They destroyed the cave system but couldn't confirm if UBL was there or not.

Looks like the Pentagon supported this action to me.

Ah, the left's talking point yet again. These remarks that Bush supposedly made were cherry picked and presented completely out of context. How about looking in to where these remarks came from and what else was said. (Hint: they are from a 2003 WH press conference)

Clinton?? Wasn't he the one who shot 66 cruise missiles at UBL and missed?? It was also Clinton that pressured Sudan to oust UBL and that's how he landed in Afghanistan.

What is so hard to understand that it wasn't JUST intel gathered during Obama that got UBL? It was that combined with intel gathered over the last 10+ years.

More of the lefty rhetoric. Bush and Chaney were war criminals and traitors. Give it a rest. If Obummer had been in office, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around.

Confused much?

[Sandy Eggo]

WTF?

Even better, my thoughts exactly.

[Exterminator]

Take into consideration that you're dealing with someone who thinks Bush is a pretty smart fella...it's all relative.

[The Troll]

Take into consideration that you're dealing with someone who thinks Bush is a pretty smart fella...it's all relative.

  Oh, Clinton fired 66 cruise missles at Osama.  As I remember it, on Fox News it was Clinton wagging the dog.  Trying to cover-up the blow job he got from Monica.

  Good old Fox.  Only one time did they get a picture of Monica hugging Clinton, you know the one I am talking about, where the cock sucker hugged Bill of TV.  I'd bet Fox News played that one clip a thousand times and they still couldn't hang him.    Poor old bill, the crafty devil. 

[Nighthawk]

Confused much?

I thought this was fairly straight forward but I forgot what group I was talking to.

Here, maybe this will be a bit easier on your little brains:
"If Obummer had been in office Instead of Bush, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around."

[The Troll]

  But Squawker it didn't happen that way.  No matter how much you want Obama to fail, to the point to driving this country into a depression and destruction.  It just didn't happen that way.  You're going to have to stop sniffing spray paint or computer spray cleaner.  You are damaging you brain.    This is you brain of Republican thinking >

[Palehorse]

. . .
Here, maybe this will be a bit easier on your little brains:
"If Obummer had been in office Instead of Bush, or any other bleeding heart liberal for that matter, UBL would still be alive and most if not all of the terrorists we have captured or killed would still be running around."

Let me put this into your preferred style: