History is made yet again! (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/09/nobel.peace.prize/index.html)
Ranks right up there with Jimmy Carter.... :rolleyes:
and yassar arafat... ;D
I didn't expect that the pundits would recognize what an honor this is for our entire country. :rolleyes:
yeah go with that if it makes you feel better.
It's clear that people like you are upset that the United States is once again seen as a leader by the rest of the world.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 08:20:26 AM
It's clear that people like you are upset that the United States is once again seen as a leader by the rest of the world.
right... ;) ;D
Comment: absurd decision on Obama makes a mockery of the Nobel peace prize (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece)
Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America's first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.
Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.
"...someday, the realm of liberty and justice will encompass the planet. Freedom is not just the birthright of the few, it is the God-given right of all His children, in every country. It won't come by conquest. It will come, because freedom is right and freedom works. It will come, because cooperation and good will among free people will carry the day."
— Ronald Reagan (The Quest for Peace, the Cause of Freedom)
Since when is it awarded on an effort? I thought it was an award for accomplishments and as yet nothing has been accomplished.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 08:20:26 AM
It's clear that people like you are upset that the United States is once again seen as a leader by the rest of the world.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 08:32:25 AM
right... ;) ;D
Yeah ... RIGHT!
America is Now the Most Admired Country Globally
http://www.gfk.com/group/press_information/press_releases/004734/index.en.html (http://www.gfk.com/group/press_information/press_releases/004734/index.en.html)
Reagan is the man who should have WON the peace prize.... :yes:
What has Obama done Ex?.....besides talk? Actions are louder than words is what I was taught. His WORDS
was NOT able to get him an Olympic Bid...he was SNUBBED by the WORLD. Israel and Palestine are ignoring him.....We had the deadliest month on US soldiers in Afghanistan....Iran is on the verge of a Nuke bomb....he has only talked ONCE to his Commander, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan, General McChrystal before last week..........and NOW, he may be sending 40,000 troops into action....or not, he seems to be having problems making decisions...while soldiers die...
I bet Poland and the Czech Republic feels MUCH safer now that Obama has cancelled the missile defense sites that had been promised to these governments...he has opened his hand and heart to Cuba, Libya, Syria, Russia, and Iran.
the bottom line is........we WILL see, exactly HOW peaceful this world will be over the next few months NOW that Obama has been given this ...... award.
what is even MORE of a joke is, that he was nominated for this award back in Feb, eleven days AFTER he took office......THIS is an embarrasment to what THIS award SHOULD represent....it is OBVIOUSLY a political, left leaning JOKE.
Obama has actually accomplished quite a bit toward resolving the conflicts initiated by the last administration but I wouldn't expect his detractors to be informed enough to understand how diplomacy works.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:12:45 AM
what is even MORE of a joke is, that he was nominated for this award back in Feb, eleven days AFTER he took office......THIS is an embarrasment to what THIS award SHOULD represent....it is OBVIOUSLY a political, left leaning JOKE.
Yes, Henry, just like you understand the Bible so much better than all of the biblical scholars, you understand the Nobel Prize better than the people who actually decide who gets it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on October 09, 2009, 08:58:09 AM
America is Now the Most Admired Country Globally
The Bushies are too blinded by their hatred to realize the importance of this.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 09:18:49 AM
Yes, Henry, just like you understand the Bible so much better than all of the biblical scholars, you understand the Nobel Prize better than the people who actually decide who gets it. :rolleyes:
first of all Mr. Exterminator, I have NEVER claimed I understand the bible any better than ANY scholar...and you are cracking me up today.... ;D...you are VERY defensive of this whole Obama/Noble thing....I can care less, HONESTLY. For it has been PROVEN to be a joke...and MOST of the REAL, FREE thinking world understands it is a bunch of Political hacks pushing THEIR agenda....THAT's it.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 09:22:55 AM
The Bushies are too blinded by their hatred to realize the importance of this.
what IS the importance of this?........please tell me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:28:42 AM
what IS the importance of this?........please tell me.
What is the importance of the United States returning to its status of a
respected superpower? Are you freaking kidding me?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:27:50 AM
first of all Mr. Exterminator, I have NEVER claimed I understand the bible any better than ANY scholar...and you are cracking me up today.... ;D...you are VERY defensive of this whole Obama/Noble thing....I can care less, HONESTLY. For it has been PROVEN to be a joke...and MOST of the REAL, FREE thinking world understands it is a bunch of Political hacks pushing THEIR agenda....THAT's it.
LMFAO! You think that
you speak for the "real, free thinking world"? Wow! Here are the people your views represent. (http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/) :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:27:50 AM
...you are VERY defensive of this whole Obama/Noble thing....
No, I simply find your abject hatred of this man appalling.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 09:34:43 AM
LMFAO! You think that you speak for the "real, free thinking world"? Wow! Here are the people your views represent. (http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/) :biggrin:
Go with that if it makes ya feel better Ex.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 09, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
Go with that if it makes ya feel better Ex.... :rolleyes:
I feel great; my President just won the Nobel Peace Prize and my country is once again seen by the rest of the world as something more than a retarded bully with a little dick! :biggrin:
Quote from: me on October 09, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
Go with that if it makes ya feel better Ex.... :rolleyes:
You know what? It makes
me feel better ... to see that when you can't come up with an intelligent comment, you fall back to your childish retorts ...
Whatever ....
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 09:32:12 AM
What is the importance of the United States returning to its status of a respected superpower? Are you freaking kidding me?
what makes you think this?..........that we are a respected super power?..........what has he done? he couldn't win an Olympic bid. Ask Israel IF they respect him....Ask poland IF they respect him...Ask the Czech Republic...ask several countries in europe who, will no longer have missile shields from russia....
Now russia, Iran, Cuba, Libya, Syria..THOSE countries respect him..... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:42:46 AM
what makes you think this?..........that we are a respected super power?..........what has he done? he couldn't win an Olympic bid. Ask Israel IF they respect him....Ask poland IF they respect him...Ask the Czech Republic...ask several countries in europe who, will no longer have missile shields from russia....
Now russia, Iran, Cuba, Libya, Syria..THOSE countries respect him..... :rolleyes:
You really should do a little research before you come here and expose how little you know or understand.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
No, I simply find your abject hatred of this man appalling.
no comment.
the bottom line is........we will see how much peace the world has to offer.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 10:06:34 AM
the bottom line is........we will see how much peace the world has to offer.
The world has a lot of peace to offer, more like, how much peace will be extended. It's the various governments, and dissenters (?) who take away the peace.
Quote from: pariann on October 09, 2009, 10:10:39 AM
The world has a lot of peace to offer, more like, how much peace will be extended. It's the various governments, and dissenters (?) who take away the peace.
I can go along with that....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-russnow/barack-obama-nobel-peace_b_314899.html
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mr. willy on October 09, 2009, 07:12:47 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-russnow/barack-obama-nobel-peace_b_314899.html
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
;D ;D ;D ;D
:eek:
Oh look "me" and Hank! Another one for your side. ;D
Glad to see you mr. willy :bouquet: :hug: :tiphat:
Quote from: Locutus on October 09, 2009, 08:14:55 PM
Oh look "me" and Hank! Another one for your side. ;D
Yeah. Stoopid fukker can't do anything, right.
That's an awesome avatar Dan. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on October 09, 2009, 08:19:57 PM
Glad to see you mr. willy :bouquet: :hug: :tiphat:
;D ;D ;D
Looks like there a couple of Uber libs here. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mr. willy on October 09, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
;D ;D ;D
Looks like there a couple of Uber libs here. ;D ;D ;D
Yep.... :rolleyes:
Did you all get together and plan your Halloween avatars?
Quote from: me on October 09, 2009, 08:19:57 PM
Glad to see you mr. willy :bouquet: :hug: :tiphat:
Glad to meet you " me " 8) 8) 8)
I must be psychic! As soon as the news of the POTUS winning the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize broke, I knew what the comments were going to be from the parrot-heads! :rolleyes: And I was not wrong.
They will see nothing good during this administration. Ever. :rolleyes:
I will have to say one thing in his favor. When he gave his speech he even said he didn't deserve it. It isn't about trying to get something done it's about accomplishing it and as yet he hasn't accomplished he's just trying to accomplish. He was nominated in Feb just on the basis of his speeches and that is just wrong.
http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2009/10/04/snl-mocks-obama/
QuoteSNL mocked President Obama for not passing his liberal agenda fast enough. They forgot to mention taking over the auto industry, firing greedy CEO's, appointing dozens of extremely weird czars, and sending the nationl debt through the roof. Not to mention that my five year old could probably do a better impersonation of Dear Leader.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 09, 2009, 08:23:06 PM
That's an awesome avatar Dan. :biggrin:
Thanks man, but plagiarized it.
Quote from: me on October 10, 2009, 05:55:27 PM
I will have to say one thing in his favor. When he gave his speech he even said he didn't deserve it. It isn't about trying to get something done it's about accomplishing it and as yet he hasn't accomplished he's just trying to accomplish. He was nominated in Feb just on the basis of his speeches and that is just wrong.
Nah. He deserved it. After the last 8 years of bush stupidity and unwarranted arrogance toward the rest of the world, the very idea of obama being elected means a lot.
Quote from: dan foster on October 10, 2009, 09:08:18 PM
Nah. He deserved it. After the last 8 years of bush stupidity and unwarranted arrogance toward the rest of the world, the very idea of obama being elected means a lot.
:rolleyes:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2009/58_say_politics_behind_nobel_awards_up_from_40_last_year
58% Say Politics Behind Nobel Awards, Up From 40% Last Year
Sunday, October 11, 2009
Americans are much more skeptical of the motivation behind the awarding of the prestigious international Nobel Prizes following President Obama's win Friday of the Nobel Peace Prize.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of American adults now believe that politics plays a role in the awarding of the Nobel Prize. That's an 18-point jump from 40% a year ago.
Quote from: mr. willy on October 11, 2009, 12:50:02 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2009/58_say_politics_behind_nobel_awards_up_from_40_last_year
58% Say Politics Behind Nobel Awards, Up From 40% Last Year
Sunday, October 11, 2009
Americans are much more skeptical of the motivation behind the awarding of the prestigious international Nobel Prizes following President Obama's win Friday of the Nobel Peace Prize.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of American adults now believe that politics plays a role in the awarding of the Nobel Prize. That's an 18-point jump from 40% a year ago.
...and your point?
Quote from: mr. willy on October 11, 2009, 12:50:02 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2009/58_say_politics_behind_nobel_awards_up_from_40_last_year
58% Say Politics Behind Nobel Awards, Up From 40% Last Year
Sunday, October 11, 2009
Americans are much more skeptical of the motivation behind the awarding of the prestigious international Nobel Prizes following President Obama's win Friday of the Nobel Peace Prize.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of American adults now believe that politics plays a role in the awarding of the Nobel Prize. That's an 18-point jump from 40% a year ago.
Statistics are like mini-skirts .. they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts
Quotehttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2009/58_say_politics_behind_nobel_awards_up_from_40_last_year
58% Say Politics Behind Nobel Awards, Up From 40% Last Year
Sunday, October 11, 2009
Americans are much more skeptical of the motivation behind the awarding of the prestigious international Nobel Prizes following President Obama's win Friday of the Nobel Peace Prize.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of American adults now believe that politics plays a role in the awarding of the Nobel Prize. That's an 18-point jump from 40% a year ago.
...and your point?
Makes no differance to you because everything is a lie...
:rant: :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:00:37 AM
Reagan is the man who should have WON the peace prize.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2009, 09:12:45 AM
what is even MORE of a joke is, that he was nominated for this award back in Feb, eleven days AFTER he took office......THIS is an embarrasment to what THIS award SHOULD represent....it is OBVIOUSLY a political, left leaning JOKE.
this is why it's hard to take you seriously hank. award is honorable if reagan wins, award is joke if obama wins. these two thoughts were IN SERIES.
either it means something, regardless of who the recipient is, or it doesn't... again... regardless of who the recipient is.
What he said.
Quote from: awol on October 12, 2009, 07:00:26 AM
this is why it's hard to take you seriously hank. award is honorable if reagan wins, award is joke if obama wins. these two thoughts were IN SERIES.
either it means something, regardless of who the recipient is, or it doesn't... again... regardless of who the recipient is.
But AWOL, I would NOT have been happy IF Reagan won it, basicly 12 days AFTER he won office. But, when the cold war ended, after years of Reagan's policies was in place and American Pride was restored.....THEN, I think it would have been appropriate. Honestly, Obama has only TALKED a big game.....he has done NOTHING, to invoke peace in the world. He has abandoned Israel, in their eyes. He has screwed over Poland and surrounding countries....He has ignored his own appointed Military advisor, who has requested 40,000 more troops, to secure us from LOSING in Afghanistan. The Olympic committee has shunned him...AFTER he flew over there to make his PITCH......at the least they should have given him another year to prove himself, before they GAVE him this award.....at least that is the way I clearly see it.
I keep hearing all about how Obama hasn't done anything as President to warrant the Nobel Peace Prize and am still trying to figure out why the neocons think that it had to have been awarded based on the past nine months and not on his having changed the national and international dialogue before he ever took office? Such simple, little minds...
Quote from: mr. willy on October 11, 2009, 04:25:57 PM
Makes no differance to you because everything is a lie...
Oh look...another illiterate wingnut (redundant, I know)...who wants to see my best surprised look?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 08:14:35 AM
I keep hearing all about how Obama hasn't done anything as President to warrant the Nobel Peace Prize and am still trying to figure out why the neocons think that it had to have been awarded based on the past nine months and not on his having changed the national and international dialogue before he ever took office? Such simple, little minds...
Changed dialogue.....wow...they thought his speeches were nice....what an accomplishment.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 08:14:35 AM
I keep hearing all about how Obama hasn't done anything as President to warrant the Nobel Peace Prize and am still trying to figure out why the neocons think that it had to have been awarded based on the past nine months and not on his having changed the national and international dialogue before he ever took office? Such simple, little minds...
yeah right, we KNOW politicians don't lie...... :rolleyes:.....so they should just take his word for it and not worry to see if he ACTUALLY does ANYTHING he says.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
For the haters...
A transcript of Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland's announcement of Obama as Peace Prize winner: The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 12:23:14 PM
Changed dialogue.....wow...they thought his speeches were nice....what an accomplishment.... :rolleyes:
What the fuck have
you done?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 12:24:18 PM
yeah right, we KNOW politicians don't lie...... :rolleyes:.....so they should just take his word for it and not worry to see if he ACTUALLY does ANYTHING he says.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You really can't read; can you?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
What the fuck have you done?
Boy does that sound like an elementary school aged kid retort.
Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 01:03:59 PM
Boy does that sound like an elementary school aged kid retort.
Allow me to answer my own question...nothing!
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 12:52:28 PM
You really can't read; can you?
I have read pleanty... :yes:..even where Obama, himself, admitted to not have done anything to be deserving of the award.....oh, I know, he simply being humble, RIGHT? :rolleyes:
If YOU cannot see, that THIS is a political ploy to further an agenda........then..............never mind. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 01:06:18 PM
I have read pleanty...
You can't even spell 'plenty'!
Quote:yes:..even where Obama, himself, admitted to not have done anything to be deserving of the award.....oh, I know, he simply being humble, RIGHT?
Actually, yes. I'm sure Bush would have been strutting around like a hero swinging his two inch dick around.
QuoteIf YOU cannot see, that THIS is a political ploy to further an agenda........then..............never mind. :rolleyes:
Of course it is and the agenda is world peace through diplomacy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
and you?
I am not criticizing those who have accomplished something.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
Of course it is and the agenda is world peace through diplomacy.
Hasn't been accomplished yet. :razz:
Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 01:53:35 PM
Hasn't been accomplished yet. :razz:
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 01:57:59 PM
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
Diplomacy hasn't worked too good yet either from what I see.
Peace through Stregnth...............we had the greatest peace time.....with THIS diplomatic policy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:16:03 PM
Peace through Stregnth...............we had the greatest peace time.....with THIS diplomatic policy.
Yeah, right. . . :rolleyes: That policy brought us WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, the attack on the USS Stark, September 11, just to mention a few. . .
At what point did it become acceptable to the average US citizen, to go off half cocked when it comes to global diplomacy? We finally get a POTUS who understands that and the doom and gloom crowd cranks up the propaganda machine and feeds the parrot heads, who seem to eat it by the truckload.
Nothing is gained via the killing of human beings; only through dialog is progress obtained. If most of you had served in a military action consisting of hostile initiatives, you would better understand this.
Quote from: Palehorse on October 12, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Nothing is gained via the killing of human beings; only through dialog is progress obtained.
All I am saying is....a strong military and standing behind them.......and not cowering down to thugs.
THAT is what we did, THAT kept the WORLD at peace......
Quote from: Palehorse on October 12, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Yeah, right. . . :rolleyes: That policy brought us WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, the attack on the USS Stark, September 11, just to mention a few. . .
It was the lack of this that caused such actions....
Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
Diplomacy hasn't worked too good yet either from what I see.
Obama accomplished more in one day of diplomatic talks with Iran than Bush accomplished in 8 years of puffing out his little, *****-boy chest.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
It was the lack of this that caused such actions....
Neocon approach is what brought them on.
Nothing is gained via the killing of human beings; only through dialog is progress obtained. If most of you had served in a military action consisting of hostile initiatives, you would better understand this.Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:29:09 PM
Obama accomplished more in one day of diplomatic talks with Iran than Bush accomplished in 8 years of puffing out his little, *****-boy chest.
Exactly! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:16:03 PM
Peace through Stregnth...............we had the greatest peace time.....with THIS diplomatic policy.
Shallow acts of aggression and bravado are the realm of the weak; strong people and nations don't need to rely on such antics.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:29:09 PM
Obama accomplished more in one day of diplomatic talks with Iran than Bush accomplished in 8 years of puffing out his little, *****-boy chest.
time will tell.... :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:32:25 PM
Shallow acts of aggression and bravado are the realm of the weak; strong people and nations don't need to rely on such antics.
do you have an example of such a nation?
Quote from: Palehorse on October 12, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Nothing is gained via the killing of human beings; only through dialog is progress obtained.
Henry apparently doesn't understand that his hero, Reagan, lived by this belief.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
Henry apparently doesn't understand that his hero, Reagan, lived by this belief.
Indeed he did; and it is the reason I admired the man. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
Henry apparently doesn't understand that his hero, Reagan, lived by this belief.
I completely understand....and it was HE, who was able to be diplamatic, WITH a strong military....and the killing of human beings does NOT have to take place....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:38:40 PM
I completely understand....and it was HE, who was able to be diplamatic, WITH a strong military....and the killing of human beings does NOT have to take place....
Everything you seem to advocate suggests otherwise.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
Everything you seem to advocate suggests otherwise.
please tell me WHAT I advocate.......the fact we attacked Iraq?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:40:26 PM
please elaborate...
Iraq was a weak country that acted tough.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:41:44 PM
please tell me WHAT I advocate.......the fact we attacked Iraq?
For one, yes and you consistently espouse a confrontational stance over a diplomatic one.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:46:01 PM
Iraq was a weak country that acted tough.
strong people and nations don't need to rely on such anticsthis was the part of the equation I was referring too...
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
For one, yes and you consistently espouse a confrontational stance over a diplomatic one.
I think THAT depends upon the situation.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:40:26 PM
please elaborate...
What was accomplished there relative to the
stated purpose for the initiative? Answer that question truthfully and you will understand its relevance. (Leave out the moral victories that may have been achieved via collateral damage, since they were not the stated purpose).
- No weapons of Mass Destruction
- No Insurgents or training camps until well into the initiative, when they were moved there.
- Thousands of lives lost for what
- The good men and women of our nations military placed into harms way, for what?
- Iraq was weaker than North Korea, yet we attacked them anyway.
- The initiative effectively trashed our diplomatic efficiency and reputation world-wide, which is a huge bottle-neck toward progress that is rightly recognized and being corrected by the current POTUS!
And all of this to shut a bully up? Why?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:48:48 PM
I think THAT depends upon the situation.
Nope; the first steps toward conflict resolution should always be diplomatic.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:52:20 PM
Nope; the first steps toward conflict resolution should always be diplomatic.
I agree, but having a strong military, is ALWAYS a good way to make sure you are talking to is listening with both ears.
Quote from: Palehorse on October 12, 2009, 02:49:11 PM
And all of this to shut a bully up? Why?
'Cause he tried to kill my daddy!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
I agree, but having a strong military, is ALWAYS a good way to make sure you are talking to is listening with both ears.
Whether or not we have a strong military isn't in question.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:59:24 PM
Whether or not we have a strong military isn't in question.
but having the ablilitly to USE your strong military IS the question...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
but having the ablilitly to USE your strong military IS the question...
Well thanks to this unnecessary lil' fool's foray into Iraq, our military is a bit stretched at the moment.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
but having the ablilitly to USE your strong military IS the question...
When has there ever been a question about our ability to use our military?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 02:52:20 PM
Nope; the first steps toward conflict resolution should always be diplomatic.
They were, Clinton, and it didn't work. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2009, 03:09:01 PM
When has there ever been a question about our ability to use our military?
that is my point ex........and, I know Obama has not yet ulitized our military....but he talked to General McChystal once since he took command of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan...THIS is just me and my opinion....we will soon see, how he handles the military.
Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 03:19:54 PM
They were, Clinton, and it didn't work. :razz:
Funny but I remember the Clinton years as having been relatively peaceful. Perhaps you are too senile to remember.
Does the WTC bombing, and Oklahoma City, ring a bell? Oh no wait, we didn't retaliate so I guess it was peaceful times and 9/11 was because we we're so peaceful by not retaliating that the perps knew, or thought, they would get buy with it because we would be diplomatic and talk their legs off. You know, please don't do that again or we'll send you to bed without supper or if you don't do that anymore we'll give up some of our weapons and shrink our military forces down to nothing. :rolleyes:
Ummmm..........how the hell did the Oklahoma City bombing relate to the WTC -- or anything else having to do with international terrorism, for that matter?
I'm very confused.
Quote from: me on October 12, 2009, 04:39:12 PM
Does the WTC bombing, and Oklahoma City, ring a bell? Oh no wait, we didn't retaliate so I guess it was peaceful times and 9/11 was because we we're so peaceful by not retaliating that the perps knew, or thought, they would get buy with it because we would be diplomatic and talk their legs off. You know, please don't do that again or we'll send you to bed without supper or if you don't do that anymore we'll give up some of our weapons and shrink our military forces down to nothing. :rolleyes:
Who would you suggest we bomb for the Oklahoma City incident? :rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2009, 04:58:05 PM
Who would you suggest we bomb for the Oklahoma City incident? :rotfl:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Well ... Timothy McVeigh was born in Lockport, New York. We could start there.
He was an NRA member. Let's level Fairfax, VA.
He was registered as a Republican. We could bomb RNC headquarters. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Olias on October 12, 2009, 05:07:26 PM
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Well ... Timothy McVeigh was born in Lockport, New York. We could start there.
He was an NRA member. Let's level Fairfax, VA.
He was registered as a Republican. We could bomb RNC headquarters. :icon_twisted:
Dang. Why didn't I think of that?
Oh. Now I remember. When I was in the service, I learned that we first had to identify the enemy properly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
that is my point ex........and, I know Obama has not yet ulitized our military....but he talked to General McChystal once since he took command of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan...THIS is just me and my opinion....we will soon see, how he handles the military.
we will fare no better than the Russians did in Afghanistan. The general will think he can win it, but we can't. We should be killing al quida not chasing a bunch of mujahadeen (sp?).
This guy said it best ....
Excerpts from ...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/12/AR2009101202391.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/12/AR2009101202391.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)
"Somebody explain this to me: The president of the United States wins the Nobel Peace Prize and Rush Limbaugh joins with the Taliban in bitterly denouncing the award?
Why, oh why, do conservatives hate America so?
Okay, I know, it's just some conservatives who've been exhibiting what they, in a different context, surely would describe as "Hanoi Jane" behavior.
Let the rejectionists fulminate and sputter until they wear their vocal cords out. Politically, they're only bashing themselves. As Republican leaders -- except RNC Chairman Michael Steele -- are beginning to realize, "I'm With the Taliban Against America" is not likely to be a winning slogan.
All concerned would do well to read Sun Tzu.
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 13, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
All concerned would do well to read Sun Tzu.
You will know they have, and have "the way" when limpball starts shitting in the fields.