God sucks!

[Exterminator]

Let me get this straight. You don't get your info from Gods word but from what other people are telling you he said. Why not read his total word and figure it out for yourself. God said it, I believe it, Amen. But at least I have spent years studying, reading and praying over his word. Do the work yourself and see what you learn.

If you study the how the bible was compiled and how which books were chosen to be included and which would be excluded, you can come to no other logical conclusion other than it is impossible that it is "God's word".  Why would an omnipotent god need men to relay his message anyway; why not just tell it himself?  He could do that, you know; he's God and what not.  I'll tell you why...he can't because he doesn't exist.  The idea that such a powerful being requires "faith" in his existence rather than simply presenting himself is preposterous.

[mcgonser]

Yeah, I believe that as much as I believe your story about being a retired educated professional (which you've pretty much disproven).  I'm betting you've never read a book in your life.   

Thou shalt not lie.

See, there you go again calling me a liar when you know not what you say(as usual) I don't care if you believe me or not, that is your problem.
Was just answering a question you asked hoping for a change you would realize your folley. No one on here believes that you know all or see all either. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm What does that make you???????

[Exterminator]

See, there you go again calling me a liar when you know not what you say(as usual) I don't care if you believe me or not, that is your problem.
Was just answering a question you asked hoping for a change you would realize your folley. No one on here believes that you know all or see all either. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm What does that make you???????

If you were educated, you would know the diffference between 'seen' and 'saw' and you might even know how to spell 'folly'.  You claim that you simply don't care enough to take the time but it wouldn't take any time for an educated person; it would be natural.  You also claim to have been a professional yet somehow, by your own admission, were also able to watch Oprah every day since the show started.  I don't personally know any professionals that are at home when Oprah is on.  Sorry but I'm someone who calls them as I see them and I do not believe that you are honest.  For someone who calims such faith in religion, you aren't very good at honoring one of its most basic tenets.  Hopefully, your geebuz will forgive you.

[mcgonser]

For Exterminator: Bugman, Roach Coach, Fly Boy Etc

[Henry Hawk]

I have purposely steered clear of this type of discussion lately. More and more it seems like people are just spittin' into the wind. Nothing I write is going to change anybody's mind and nobody's going to change mine.

But to claim that science is anti-God just rankles me.

Science can't prove there is a god. Science can't prove there is no god.

I still trying to sort all this out but I believe that science and God can co-exist quite nicely, thank you.

Bo, I do not disagree with you...I believe that science and God actually DO co-exist...I beleive that everything that God created does have a scientifice explanation....maybe not one that all scientist have been able to prove at this time...

[Bo D]

Bo, I do not disagree with you...I believe that science and God actually DO co-exist...I beleive that everything that God created does have a scientifice explanation....maybe not one that all scientist have been able to prove at this time...

Sorry, Henry! I should have been more careful in my post. It was NOT aimed at you in particular. Just a general comment.

[Henry Hawk]

Thanks Bo, I knew you was being general, but I wanted to clarify my thoughts along with your comment...

an example of science AND the Bible is:

God gave information on many facts, of science. Vitamin K is necessary to prevent bleeding. . Vitamin K is produced in the gut but infants under eight days old cannot produce Vitamin K as the stomach hasn't become fully functional until eight days so His instructions were to circumcise at eight days of age. Merck Pharm Company discovered vitamin K, trade name Mephyton, and now infants are given Mephyton inj so they now can be circumcised at birth for convenience and the Old Law on circumcision was replaced by the New Testament so the eight day wait is no longer required.

[Exterminator]

So if you were to learn that babies don't have enough of their own vitamin K until they're several months old and the reason they're given it at birth is to prevent Haemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn (HDN), would you admit that your 'eight days' analogy is not true?

[mcgonser]

What is hemolytic disease of the newborn (HDN)? 
 
Hemolytic Disease of the Newborn is also called erythroblastosis fetalis. This condition occurs when there is an incompatibility between the blood types of the mother and baby. 
 
"hemolytic" means breaking down of red blood cells
"erythroblastosis" refers to making of immature red blood cells
"fetalis" refers to fetus

What causes hemolytic disease of the newborn (HDN)? 
 
HDN most frequently occurs when an Rh negative mother has a baby with an Rh positive father. When the baby's Rh factor is positive, like the father's, problems can develop if the baby's red blood cells cross to the Rh negative mother. This usually happens at delivery when the placenta detaches. However, it may also happen anytime blood cells of the two circulations mix, such as during a miscarriage or abortion, with a fall, or during an invasive prenatal testing procedure (i.e., an amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling).
The mother's immune system sees the baby's Rh positive red blood cells as "foreign." Just as when bacteria invade the body, the immune system responds by developing antibodies to fight and destroy these foreign cells. The mother's immune system then keeps the antibodies in case the foreign cells appear again, even in a future pregnancy. The mother is now "Rh sensitized."

Although it is not as common, a similar problem of incompatibility may happen between the blood types (A, B, O, AB) of the mother and baby in the following situations:

See Ex: There you go again twisting and spinning the facts. This is not a disease for all babies, only those listed above. All babies born do not usually have enough Vitamin K until 8 DAYS old. That is a fact.

[Henry Hawk]

So if you were to learn that babies don't have enough of their own vitamin K until they're several months old and the reason they're given it at birth is to prevent Haemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn (HDN), would you admit that your 'eight days' analogy is not true?

I think it was and is true, for the average baby.........there can and will always be exception to the rules....because we live in a sin filled world.....and the eight day analogy is VERY true.

[Exterminator]

See Ex: There you go again twisting and spinning the facts. This is not a disease for all babies, only those listed above. All babies born do not usually have enough Vitamin K until 8 DAYS old. That is a fact.

God you're freakin' clueless... 

From http://www.hon.ch/Dossier/MotherChild/child_nutrition/vitaminK.html :

Vitamin K is produced by the body, and helps the blood to clot. Thus, it is essential to prevent serious bleeding. Vitamin K prevents a now rare, but often fatal, bleeding disorder called Haemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn (HDN). HDN can cause bleeding into the brain, which may result in brain damage. HDN can be early (0-24 hours), classic (2-5 days) or late (1-12weeks).
Babies don't have enough of their own vitamin K until they're a few months old. Babies do not get enough of the vitamin from their mothers during pregnancy and don't get much from breast milk either and thus need extra vitamin K until they build up their own supplies.

Now, do you see eight days in there anywhere or does it specifically say a few months?  You people are so desperate to validate your fairy tale that you'll grasp at any straw. 

[mcgonser]

Vitamin K Injection in Newborns and Carcinogenicity
Newborn babies are also particularly at risk for vitamin K deficiency as the blood clotting factors of babies are roughly 30 to 60 percent that of adult values due to the reduced synthesis of precursor proteins and the sterility of their guts. Premature babies are at an even higher risk of this deficiency. Human milk contains between 1 and 4 micrograms/litre of vitamin K1, while formula derived milk can contain up to 100 micrograms/litre in supplemented formulas. Vitamin K2 concentrations in human milk appear to be much lower than those of vitamin K1. It is estimated that there is a 0.25 to 1.7 percent occurrence of vitamin K deficiency bleeding (VKDB) in the first week of the infant's life with a prevalence of 2-10 cases per 100,000 births [35]. As a result, in the Committee on Nutrition of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommended that 0.5 to 1.0 mg Vitamin K1 be administered to all newborns shortly after birth [36]. Controversy arose in the early 1990's regarding this practice when two studies were shown suggesting a relationship between parenteral administration of vitamin K and childhood cancer (14). However poor methods and small sample sizes led to the discredit of these studies and a review of the evidence published in 2000 by Ross and Davies found no link between the two [37].

Quoted from Wikipedia

[Henry Hawk]

i'm done

[Exterminator]

Quoted from Wikipedia

Here's an idea that's certainly foreign to you: instead of searching for just those bits of articles that support some eight day nonsense, why don't you look at several articles without any preconceptions and see if most don't agree that the vitamin K deficiency lasts at least several weeks.  In fact, everything I am reading indicates that the most likely time for bleeding on the brain to affect a baby is not until the 3 to 7 week period, clearly long after the eight days.

Conversly, you could simply only pay attention to the articles that you think support what it is you're trying to prove and further support the impression that most here are getting from you that you are closed-minded and unwilling to learn.

[mcgonser]

High-Risk Newborn
Hemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn (Vitamin K Deficiency)
What is hemorrhagic disease of the newborn?
Hemorrhagic disease of the newborn is a bleeding problem that occurs in a newborn during the first few days of life.

What causes hemorrhagic disease of the newborn?
Babies are normally born with low levels of vitamin K, an essential factor in blood clotting. A deficiency in vitamin K is the main cause of hemorrhagic disease of the newborn.