God sucks!

[Locutus]

So what do you cats believe in anyway.....could you prove it also please?

I'm a proud member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.   

Just ask Kim.  

[DannyBoy]

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Damn it...so much for freaking aliens....crap.  Resistance is futile!

[dan foster]

prove that there aren't.

I don't have to.

[xman]

one does not have to prove what has not occurred, idiiot.

[DannyBoy]

I see double standards are in effect here.

[me]

I don't have to.

Yer soundin' a little bit childish there Dan.....

[me]

one does not have to prove what has not occurred, idiiot.

Reading this thread as an agnostic not sure which way to turn I'm wondering why, if their side has to prove these things have occurred,  atheists feel they don't have to prove that it hasn't occurred.   Not trying to be argumentative just curious.

This reply is also directed at Dan.

[dan foster]

Reading this thread as an agnostic not sure which way to turn I'm wondering why, if their side has to prove these things have occurred,  atheists feel they don't have to prove that it hasn't occurred.   Not trying to be argumentative just curious.

This reply is also directed at Dan.

I will say it again, I don't have to prove anything.  I haven't made any outrageous claims.  I have claimed that things that don't exist, in fact, don't exist.  I don't have to prove they don't exist. 

Now, for those who think the list to be real, you will have to prove it.  I can no more prove that ghosts don't exist than you can prove they do.  AND, I can no more prove god doesn't exist than you can prove "he" does.  I don't have to prove he doesn't; its obvious to those who accept scientific standards for proof, or at least believe in physics to explain the world around us. 

When you can  explain a physics for invisible beings that can "change your life" or even hear your prayers (you will have to explain the physics of prayer transmission and reception, as well), then maybe you will have a leg to stand on.  If you CAN prove anything from the earlier list as fact, then there is a $1M prize waiting for you from the Amazing Randi.  Until then, don't ask me to prove something you already know isn't true, if you were being true to yourself, as described from the quote below. 

"Outrageous claims require outrageous evidence. Mundane claims require only mundane evidence. If someone tells me that the Sun will appear to rise from the East in the morning, I am inclined to accept that possibility as all of recorded history provides evidence that it does in fact appear to rise from the East.

So where's the proof?

Why do True Believers most often fail to provide evidence for or even specifics about their claims? Why is it we all get to hear endlessly about claims of the paranormal and yet no scientific evidence or research supporting their claims is ever offered for proof?

Why are there millions of dollars available from educational organizations to any self-professed "psychic" who can demonstrate their abilities in front of magicians, conjurers, and scientists? James Randi's foundation has well over one million dollars alone for anyone to take... and yet no one wants it for some mysterious reason.

Why do believers in deities feel the need to lie about even the most simplest of mundane things when they're so easily caught and the truth so easily exposed for all to see? They know evolution is a directly observed phenomena; they know that there are many examples of speciation having taken place within the lifetimes of humans; they know that the fossil record is further evidence -- and yet they cast-side all reason to pretend otherwise.

It's because True Believers don't care about the truth. They know that they're full of what-else so they won't take tests, won't accept challenges, won't provide testable, verifiable, falsifiable specifics; won't do anything which will nudge them from that comfortable self-imposed ignorance. And they get angry and resentful when someone forces them to try to defend their already-lost position.

Where's the proof? There is none: And True Believers know it. "

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/proof.htm

[DannyBoy]

So you can't prove it.  You just need a little faith.  Did you know that the world used to be flat?

[me]

I understand what you're saying Dan but the thing that puzzles me is atheists believe in no after life but is it your mind playing tricks on you when a loved one who has crossed over comes to you in a dream to offer a solution or help with something, or sometimes a warning?  I have experienced this and I don't mind saying it scared the crap out of me even though it was non threatening in nature it was just too real for my liking.  Those are the types of things that kind of cause me to want to believe but don't totally convenience me and yet keep me from being a total atheist. 

[dan foster]

So you can't prove it.  You just need a little faith.  Did you know that the world used to be flat?

According to the bible, the world is flat.  Do you think the world is flat because the bible says it?  Why do you say "used to be"?  Why isn't it still flat?

[Locutus]

According to the bible, the world is flat.  Do you think the world is flat because the bible says it?  Why do you say "used to be"?  Why isn't it still flat?

I actually got into a disagreement with someone in another venue as to whether the authors of the bible believed the earth was flat.  Unless I'm unaware, I don't think it specifically states anywhere in the bible that the earth is flat.  However, when reading the creation account in Genesis, I think it's clear by the term "heavens and earth" that they believed the earth was flat.  Earth was everything down here, and the heavens were everything out there.

That being said however, there are some verses in the bible that clearly indicate that the authors held to a flat earth view.

[dan foster]

Hard to find "four corners" or an "end" on a ball.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth

Job 28:24
For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

If one looks to the ends and can see the whole of heaven, then there isn't anything in the way like; the curvature of the earth.  It must be flat.  Still is, I guess.  Oops.  I think we have pretty much proven that one wrong, but I bet there ARE still those who would take the "word" of god over their own eyes watching a ship go over the edge, I mean horizon 

[followsthewolf]

prove that there aren't.

It is impossible to prove a negative.

Check it out.

[Locutus]

I think we have pretty much proven that one wrong, but I bet there ARE still those who would take the "word" of god over their own eyes watching a ship go over the edge, I mean horizon 

Here is another one:

"take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it (Job 38:12-13)"

"The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)"

Seems pretty clear to me that they thought that the earth was flat.