The Drive-by Bitch

[Y]

Exactly Y, that is what we did with ours. We researched several and test drove a lot of them. You mentioned your Dodg Caravan that you had, when I met my husband, he had a Dodge Caravan also. I think it was a 1992, it was new at the time but had started rusting also. I think that was an issue they had with them but not sure.

Chrysler had some horrendous paint issues at the time.  The clear coat, and then the base coat itself, would peel off leaving the primer and then the rust.  That was the problem with my Caravan.  It had the normal wheel well cancer from the salt we use on the roads up here, but the roof and the hood were down to rust with a little primer left.  The van was only used for hauling equipment so that didn't bother me a lot, but the wheel wells started leaking water to the inside so it was time for it to go before any equipment got ruined.

[Purplelady1040]

That's bad customer service all the way around.  The cashier should have put a stop to that, and the manager as well, and the manager should have opened another line for you folks.

I agree

[The Troll]

Shows your stupidity in that Kentucky Lake doesn't have piers but one thing about you are a disgrace as a man!  Actually, you are no man at all but just a little man who thinks he knows it all! Hate to tell you, but you are just pissed that you got called out on the Ford plan and that it is for family only. Now continue showing the ass that you are because it is all you know how to be. I bet your wife is grateful when you go to bed at night so she doesn't have to listen to you!

  Again you are a total dumb ass.  No piers?  What a fool.     My wife and I, my sister and brother in law went to Kentucky Lake more that once and the cabins we rented had many docks where the owner kept his boats he rented for fishing.  Also the house boats that you can rent on Kentucky Lake have piers.  Just where in hell do you come up with such loony ideas. 

  Loony Toons, I do have a plan from Ford so friends can buy Fords.     Thank god, you are not my friend.    Hill Billy.   How about a little drum roll.      Your are a real bull shit artist.    Mrs.

[Purplelady1040]

  Again you are a total dumb ass.  No piers?  What a fool.     My wife and I, my sister and brother in law went to Kentucky Lake more that once and the cabins we rented had many docks where the owner kept his boats he rented for fishing.  Also the house boats that you can rent on Kentucky Lake have piers.  Just where in hell do you come up with such loony ideas. 

  Loony Toons, I do have a plan from Ford so friends can buy Fords.     Thank god, you are not my friend.    Hill Billy.   How about a little drum roll.      Your are a real bull shit artist.    Mrs.

Dumbass, docks are different than piers to anyone who knows that. When most people think of piers they think of boardwalks and not docks. Leave to an idiot like you to not know the difference!  Most anyone who owns boats knows that you dock a boat at a dock not a pier! 
By the way, look up a definition of pier- an intermediate support the adjacent ends of two bridge spans. A structure that extends into navigable water for use to protect or form a harbor.
A dock is a structure extending alongshore or out from the shore into a body to which boats may be moored.
You are just pissed that I showed the Ford plan and like I said I know the only reason you are criticizing me is because you don't like me and like I said that is fine because if your ass was on fire,I wouldn't throw water on you to save you sorry ass!  I bet your wife loves when you go to sleep at night so she doesn't have to look at you or listen to you be the jerk that you are! I actually feel sorry for her being married to an a-hole like you who thinks you know it all! Sorry to say, you know nothing!

[Purplelady1040]

Chrysler had some horrendous paint issues at the time.  The clear coat, and then the base coat itself, would peel off leaving the primer and then the rust.  That was the problem with my Caravan.  It had the normal wheel well cancer from the salt we use on the roads up here, but the roof and the hood were down to rust with a little primer left.  The van was only used for hauling equipment so that didn't bother me a lot, but the wheel wells started leaking water to the inside so it was time for it to go before any equipment got ruined.

I am not sure what the problems that his Caravan had  and because shortly after we met, he traded it for a truck that we kept for 7-9 years. It was a great little Chevy truck!

[Palehorse]

Here's another issue you haven't a clue about.  The dam won't help Anderson.  It will ruin one of the most beautiful stretches of that river as well as the wildlife.  It will destroy neighborhoods and damage Mounds Park.  It will also pose a danger to folks downstream.  There's also no Indy market for the water.

On the union issue, you're just an idiot.  Your 'opinion' on that subject has LONG been debunked.

. . .

I'll have to somewhat disagree with some of this.

1. The dam will help Anderson understand its role in the future. One that has it serving as the bedroom community for Indianapolis that it already is but refuses to admit to. Then there is the loss of revenue the city continues to heap upon the shoulders of those that remain within the community via inflation of property values for taxation purposes, increases to utility costs (water, sewer, and electricity which the city wholly owns).

It will increase revenue streams via the exponential increase to property values that will result from a recreational body of water surrounded by (at least partially) high-value residential property tracts. That equates to higher tax rates/dollars.

It (should) will result in reduced rates for residential water, and modernized treatment facilities to treat said water.

It will provide a much needed recreational revenue stream via the "user pays" system already in place for co-managed water-ways (state and local/private) which could potentially become lucrative if the fishery is properly managed and allowed to mature. (Long term).

2. The "beauty" of the targeted stretch of river is subjective. Yes, it is the "natural" (and man made) course the river chose for itself, however the fishery itself is mostly rough fish (carp, suckers, etc.) and provides no intrinsic value to anyone. Moreover, the level of pollution (residual from historic bad ecological practices, as well as current man made trash levels), represents an increasing challenge to the antiquated control measures being used toward "managing" it. All of this means that in order to maintain and increase the "natural" beauty that stretch of river is capable of, requires a lot of man-made intervention and work in order to undo the damage centuries of bad habits and practices have imposed upon it. (Likely a similar or larger amount than what the proposed dam will cost). In fact, I speculate that the costs overwhelm the city's budget by far, just to try to keep things cleaned up.

Then we have the ever present danger surrounding the lack of flood controls along the White River on the northern end. This lack of control has eliminated a large swath of land along it's pathway for potential residential / Commercial / agricultural use due to the large flood plain it creates. Granted, a dam will not eliminate this risk totally, but it would go a long way toward exercising a larger measure of control over water levels for miles upstream and downstream; and has the potential to decreasing risk levels along a large swath of the river to a more manageable level. Returning the land toward more useful endeavors.

3.Wildlife ruination is a stretch in my mind. It isn't as if humanity would be dooming the spotted owl to extinction via the creation of a new body of water. Perhaps a species of bats (or two) could be impacted by this lake, but they can fly and it isn't as if they have nowhere else to go to. In fact, I'd say they would eventually move back once the construction is over. . . Indigenous species will adapt. . .

4. Yes, it will flood a portion of Mounds State Park; a facility that enjoys only marginal use compared to other sate parks due to it's lack of a viable waterway containing gamefish. I suggest that once things settle down and the lake reaches normal levels, and the fishery matures, that Mounds State Park will become a destination that will see an increased level of use, visitors, and yes, increased revenues. (Enabling them to expand beyond its current borders if desired, by buying up additional land).

Some of the "neighborhoods" that will be eliminated by this project ma very well need to be eliminated anyway. Some are rift with empty / abandoned homes, and a number of them are outdated domiciles in desperate need of updating; which they will not get due to the depressed economy in the area. Yes, some people will lose their homes, and some of them may be life-long homes. But they will be compensated for them, and most of them at a level far and above what it cost them to purchase that home. There will be cases wherein they will face a loss, but as Spock so aptly put it, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

I myself have been forced to sell properties I own (or co-own) in the state of Kentucky. Lands that have been in my family for centuries. All for a state road project that will eliminate a long stretch of very dangerous, switchback roadway. I don't like it, nor does most of my family. But the majority of us recognize that very situation, that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and so we are selling it, (or have sold it). It is for the greater good and the overall safety of those living there. . . None of us are getting independently wealthy from it, but we don't feel like we're getting robbed either. It's sad, yes. But once the work is completed we will be able to get to our remaining lands in a lot safer manner, and the dozens of people killed and maimed due to the existing dangerous roadway will be drastically reduced as well.

5. The "danger" to those living downstream would be minor compared to the danger present today. (See flood controls #2 above) As with any man made structure there is always the potential for failure. However I submit that with modern technology and engineering, the likelihood of a dam failure is far less than that of the current level of flooding present due to the lack of control. There are no salmon swimming upstream to spawn. And I couldn't care less about carp. . .

6. There is indeed a market for the water, and a need. One only has to look to California's present day situation to see what is coming this way eventually, and it is in the best interests of each and every resident of Central Indiana to do what is necessary today in order to prepare for it before it gets here.

Yes, we're having an El Nino summer to this point, but that will not last beyond the present cycle. The trend is 180 degrees opposite what we are experiencing right now, and as our population levels increase so do the water needs. We are just one summer removed from our own water conservation crises within communities like Carmel and Indianapolis, and that is going to be back with a vengeance. And in my opinion we would be better served to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. (Just ask the people in Cali about this. Tom Selleck is presently facing charges of stealing water).

Another source for water is needed in this area of Central Indiana, and if we wait for the crises before recognizing it then we will pay the price for our ignorance surrounding this fact.

7. On the union issue we agree. . . 

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2014/08/08/ind-chamber-release-study-states-water-supply/13764953/

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2015/06/23/citizens-build-new-reservoir-fishers/29156955/

http://www.in.gov/dnr/5286.htm

http://www.indychamber.com/files/2813/9808/8522/Water_Synthesis_Report_April_2010.pdf

http://www.inindianawater.org/news/indy-star-projected-water-shortage-prompts-citizens-to-build-new-reservoir-in-fishers/

As I have said numerous times within this forum, the people of Anderson should embrace this project and their future, or prepare to watch as another community once again snatches opportunity from our hands.

People in Delaware County are taking a similar tact toward this project to that held by the masses in Anderson. Their position has some measure of validation given the way Prairie Creek Reservoir was forced upon them; however, they refuse to recognize the recreational value and income stream that body of water has begun developing into given the vastly improving fishery it now supports.

Again, we see the "immediate satisfaction" demands of modern civilization blinding them to the long range opportunity out there.

Even the business community in Anderson has seen what is coming, and in anticipation of it they have begun moving south; Hobby Lobby, Ponderosa, and if the rumors are true even the Roadhouse will soon be out of the targeted area and in new digs on the south end. Most of the new growth in retail is cropping up south as well. And if the average Joe in Anderson had the slightest ability to critically analyze the situation, they would have forced the City Council to support the initiative to incorporate that stretch of land along I 69 between Exits 222 and 214, so that a new Mall could be established there. One that would compete with Munice, Castleton, and Hamilton Towne Center. . . Again, increasing the revenue streams in this city and invigorating the economy. . . But that's another bitch. . .

[Y]

I'd say Pendleton is more of a Indy bedroom community than Anderson.  Anderson proper no longer has enough nice neighborhoods to fall under the BC heading even if it may be true most residents go southwest for work.

AFAIK, there are no real estate plans in place for a proposed lake shore; there are no plans for any water treatment plant; there is no buyer for any water - the city uses wells and Indy is building its own new reservoir; there are no plans to deal with the pollution from the mall area that will taint the lake; there are no plans for recreation on the lake, and as polluted as it surely will be, it prolly won't even be allowed; there are no plans to stock the lake, and it will have to be stocked as fish will no longer be able to migrate upstream; ad infinitum.

As it is, all that exists is merely a proposal for a dam and a reservoir - nothing else that would be of benefit financially or otherwise.

Having actually canoed and fished that stretch of the river from Muncie to Anderson and points south, I can testify to the beauty of that part of the river and the wildlife existing there.  Decent fishing from Anderson south was ruined by the chemical spill in 1999 but is well on it's way to recovery, but will take time. 

The areas mainly impacted will be Irondale - which has a long history and by no means abandoned - and the riverfront neighborhood east of Cincinnati Ave., and the reason it's mainly abandoned is because .gov has been buying up the properties there for some time.

From what I can tell, the dam is just another Anderson boondoggle like the 'Snake', the downtown 'mall', the MLK parkway etc..

[Palehorse]

Today's lake level report (7/17/2015):
Mississinewa: 40.2 feet above summer pool; release of 1484 CFS.
Salamonie: 36.9 feet above summer pool; release of 3032 CFS.
Roush: 47.0 feet above summer pool; release of 5617 CFS.

[The Troll]

 


          Still no boating and the parks are closed. 

   I wonder if I can get my $35 lake permit the state makes you put on your boat to use the lake.   

[Palehorse]

          Still no boating and the parks are closed. 

   I wonder if I can get my $35 lake permit the state makes you put on your boat to use the lake.   

If you are talking about the launch sticker, I believe you can likely get one at any DNR facility; you used to be able to get them at the BMV too, but I am not sure they do that anymore. . .

You can purchase the launch permits online here: http://stores.innsgifts.com/watercraft-exp-12-31-15/

In case you do not trust the link above, go to the DNR website here: http://www.in.gov/dnr/parklake/5058.htm  And scroll down to Launch Permits and the link there will take you to the one above.

[The Troll]

If you are talking about the launch sticker, I believe you can likely get one at any DNR facility; you used to be able to get them at the BMV too, but I am not sure they do that anymore. . .

You can purchase the launch permits online here: http://stores.innsgifts.com/watercraft-exp-12-31-15/

In case you do not trust the link above, go to the DNR website here: http://www.in.gov/dnr/parklake/5058.htm  And scroll down to Launch Permits and the link there will take you to the one above.

  I have got one and I have had for for years.   But until this year I have got my boat on the water.  It seems to me if you can't use it, you should get your money back.   

[Palehorse]

  I have got one and I have had for for years.   But until this year I have got my boat on the water.  It seems to me if you can't use it, you should get your money back.   

I hear yah. End of July and you cannot get your watercraft onto the water because there is so much of it! Hell, I have been considering getting another boat myself, to replace the steel horse, but given the way things are going this year I do believe I'll just wait to see what next year brings. . .

[The Troll]

I hear yah. End of July and you cannot get your watercraft onto the water because there is so much of it! Hell, I have been considering getting another boat myself, to replace the steel horse, but given the way things are going this year I do believe I'll just wait to see what next year brings. . .

   If it will just quit raining they can lower the lake and other lakes very quickly.  But the Wabash River is going to stay up all the rest of summer.   

  But you do know, that the best time to buy a boat is in the fall of the year.  People can't play with them, they find out just how high the payment is on their boat is and they are going to have a place to store it.  I bought my 23 ft Rinker Cuddy Cabin boat in the fall.      All the guy wanted was for me to pay what he owed on it.   Good deal!     

[Palehorse]

   If it will just quit raining they can lower the lake and other lakes very quickly.  But the Wabash River is going to stay up all the rest of summer.   

  But you do know, that the best time to buy a boat is in the fall of the year.  People can't play with them, they find out just how high the payment is on their boat is and they are going to have a place to store it.  I bought my 23 ft Rinker Cuddy Cabin boat in the fall.      All the guy wanted was for me to pay what he owed on it.   Good deal!     

My issue and the main reason I got rid of my boats, was and is not having enough time to use them.

I am however reconsidering that because there is a body of water that is not too far from me, that several friends tell me is chock full of walleye. This interests me very much, but as I am sure you know, the best way to catch walleye requires a boat.

I'm more interested in a 14 foot semi-v hulled boat and a 25 hp motor to push it with. Doesn't have to be new but it does have to run and stay afloat.

I agree on the timing thing, and bought my Bayliner and Bass Tracker boats just before hard water season while living up north. I got great deals on both of them that way, as you suggest, and back when I enjoyed a generous annual vacation allotment I used them frequently and ran the hell out of them.

The Bayliner was my large water boat and it went with me on most of my spring and fall northern trips. The Bass Tracker was a 14.5 foot deep V that I used mostly for musky fishing trips in Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky.  But once the vacation was gone I lost the ability to use them the way I wanted to. Hell, that Bayliner did not see the water for 5 years, so I sold it in the spring of the 6th. And made money on the deal. I sold the Bass Tracker to my cousin on the cheap, because he is family and he is just as much of a fisherman as I ever was or will be.

This time I'll just get something stripped down to drop on the local reservoirs in central Indiana. And I am in no hurry to get it either. I'll wait for the right deal to crop up and likely have it in the garage sometime before this winter's El Nino event hits us. 

[Palehorse]

I'm the kind of guy that would spend 25 years stationed in Hawaii, retire and move back to the midwest, get onto a gameshow, and win and all expense paid trip to Hawaii!