Harvested

[Locutus]

Champagne wishes and caviar dreams.

You know, I never really liked that show, nor cared much for him.  Did you?

[The Troll]

 
  Just  a snobbish Englishman.  Made a living kissing rich people butts. 

[Palehorse]

Neil Simon  HARVESTED @ 91.

[libby]

Senator John McCain. HARVESTED at 81. 

Despite politics, he loved and served the country. 

Fair winds and following seas Senator McCain. This nation is a far lesser place with your passing, but a far greater place for the work you did while you were here.

This is so damned sad. . . 

A man that served his country throughout his life, thrown to the junk heap by his party and colleagues over their political idiocy in aligning themselves with bullies, thieves, and outright morons.

I may not have supported his presidential candidacy, but I absolutely respect his service and sacrifices made on behalf of this formerly great nation; and spit in the faces of those who have abandoned him in yet another great time of personal need as he nears the crossing over point.

May his place within the ether be far greater than the level of personal sacrifices he made within his time here on behalf of the people of this nation. And may we one day return to the morally high ground he always attempted to lead us toward in his time here.

Whether I agreed with him or not, I do believe he always supported and did what he believed to be the right thing for the majority of this nation, and I can find no fault within it; rather, honor far greater than that possessed within those currently charged with the very same responsibilities.

I couldn't agree more with the above.

Nor I. Eloquent, Palehorse, and as Locutus wrote, I couldn't agree more.

(I remember exactly when I, a registered democrat, changed my mind about John McCain, a republican: it was when that woman in the crowd  approached him and mouthed off about Obama, his opponent, and he defended him!)

[The Troll]

   John McCain was a great warrior and he gave up a lot in his health and welfare as a pilot.  But him as a Republican Senator the only thing I thought was great was stopping the Republican from stopping ObamaCare health plan for poor people and the middle class.  Also I don't think he stole a damn thing from the American taxpayers.    Safe trip John McCain. 

[AbbyTC]

You know, I never really liked that show, nor cared much for him.  Did you?

No.  I thought it was pretentious.

[Palehorse]

  Nor I. Eloquent, Palehorse, and as Locutus wrote, I couldn't agree more.

(I remember exactly when I, a registered democrat, changed my mind about John McCain, a republican: it was when that woman in the crowd  approached him and mouthed off about Obama, his opponent, and he defended him!)

Thank you. Far less than the man deserved to say the least.

I recall that moment as well, and wished he had chosen a lesser opponent to run against. That act alone spoke volumes about the man.

I was on the forward observation deck at work yesterday viewing the sunset behind the flags of this nation and my employer at half mast. My thoughts turned to Senator McCain and his family, and I hoped that the symbolism was not one forewarning of the end of honorable men and women in service to this nation. 

Men and women of his caliber are rare these days. His "Farewell" letter to the nation was inspiring. 

[Henry Hawk]

My 2 cents on McCain:


First of all, he is a hero, and a man who loved his country.  Those are undeniable.


I wanted him to be POTUS....though he wasn't a conservative, in the Reagan fashion...he was in my opinion, the best man for the job between the two candidates. By FAR, I might add.


I think he was closer to being an old fashion "conservative democrat" than a republican.


I was not a fan of his during much of his career.....I didn't hate him, just didn't like his voting record so much.


I think it is rather sad/humorous as to the democrats who are praising him (this isn't a shot at anyone here particularly )...when he was running against Obama, he was an "idiot, a moron, he was attacked for his service as a POW"  They had some horrible things to say........NOW, that he took a stand against Trump, the love for McCain by the left is thick.  Enough to make me want to vomit.


I salute him for his service and pray for his family.


He WAS a good man.

[Palehorse]

I have not wanted to listen to the eulogies and memorials for high profile deaths in so many years I cannot remember the last one.

This day I find myself torn between the services of Aretha Franklin and Sen. John McCain.  I'd like to see the coverage of both, but have to work.

I will rise early tomorrow morning to watch the last of Senator McCains public services, and hopefully see the highlights of Aretha Franklin's.

At this very moment I am watching the Honor Guard removing his casket from the hearse, in order to carry him to the Capital viewing location. . . 

Soul stirring sadness. . .

Fitting that the skies are crying down upon them as they carry him in. . . (rain)

[The Troll]

  I am ashamed that the president of America is not man enough and honorable enough to have something good to say about John McCain.  The 7 time draft dodger, because his father found a doctor to say he could not serve his country because of a bone spur.        I know he could drive a truck, because I seen him one.

  Donald Trump is all bullshit.  Besides being a coward and a liar.  Fuck Donald Trump. 

[libby]

I have not wanted to listen to the eulogies and memorials for high profile deaths in so many years I cannot remember the last one.

This day I find myself torn between the services of Aretha Franklin and Sen. John McCain.  I'd like to see the coverage of both, but have to work.

I will rise early tomorrow morning to watch the last of Senator McCains public services, and hopefully see the highlights of Aretha Franklin's.

At this very moment I am watching the Honor Guard removing his casket from the hearse, in order to carry him to the Capital viewing location. . . 

Soul stirring sadness. . .

Fitting that the skies are crying down upon them as they carry him in. . . (rain)

I was not sure I wanted to watch either, but looked in on McCain's at the church in Arizona, and sat there the whole time, sometimes crying -- from Amazing Grace to I did it my way. It was indeed a class act. 

As for Aretha's, I so far have missed all except the singing at the very end. Will try again this weekend.

[Henry Hawk]

Okay my thoughts....Obama is a great speaker but full of sh!t... disingenuous!  He is a total hypocrite!  He used this platform for nothing more than a political platform!  Meghan loved her Dad and I understand why she is resentful towards Trump...I understand and respect her. 


Enough already of this...it is over played in my opinion....Billy Graham did get this attention and he was a great American!


My thoughts!

[Palehorse]

Okay my thoughts....Obama is a great speaker but full of sh!t... disingenuous!  He is a total hypocrite!  He used this platform for nothing more than a political platform!  . . .

"So much of our politics, our public life, our public discourse can seem small and mean and petty, trafficking in bombast and insult and phony controversies and manufactured outrage. It's a politics that pretends to be brave and tough, but in fact is born of fear. John called on us to be bigger than that. He called on us to be better than that." ~ Barack Obama

". . .Lived by a set of public virtues that brought strength and purpose to his life and to his country.
Perhaps above all, John detested the abuse of power. He could not abide bigots and swaggering despots."~ George W. Bush

"Remarkably, his death seems to have reminded the American people that these values are what makes us a great nation, not the tribal partisanship and personal attack politics that have recently characterized our life. This week's celebration of the life and values of patriotism of this hero, I think have taken our country above all that." ~ Joe Lieberman

"The America of John McCain has no need to be made great again, because America was always great." ~ Megan McCain

President Obama made no such effort that I saw, and I watched the entire memorial service. In fact he only spoke truth, just as each of those delivering eulogies did.

Were they personal statements surrounding the political flotsam that the late, great John McCain himself detested? Yes. And these men and woman agree with him whole-heartedly, and said so.

All of them are correct, and each of them hand-picked by the deceased because he knew, even as he drew his dying breath, that they would speak the truth in eulogizing him. No matter which party they represent.

I saved the best of these truths for last, for I believe it was simple and direct in its assessment of John McCain's view of our political environment on the day of his death. And of course as the universe would have it, the words were spoken by John's daughter.

McCain challenged our executive branch to follow the process, make the hard choices for the betterment of the majority of the nation, hold themselves accountable to the people they serve, and prodded them every single day to get things done. Despite the fact he had every reason to be bitter toward this country over his capture and torture at the hand of its enemy; an enemy he later fought hard to make this country see that only through normalization of its relationship with, could its sons and daughters heal.

His choices during his military career provided him credibility with his peers in the executive branch, as well as the people of this nation. He was humble, yet tough when needed, and made mistakes; and publicly held himself accountable for each and every one of them. Including the choice of Sarah Palin as his VP in his failed candidacy for POTUS.

His soul knew where his true north was and his mistakes were a direct result of those times when he chose to ignore it. Something I believe this country itself is guilty of today.

Oh, and by the way. . . I know it may have escaped some so I only mention it for clarity, but the deceased planned his own memorial services himself, to be in part, a political statement; and that is exactly what it was. 

[Henry Hawk]

I know NcCain planned it the way he wanted it...I think that was incredible, not too many people get that opportunity.


McCain was no saint.  He didn't vote many times as he promised his constituents....he campaigned conservative and voted moderate.  He was known for throwing tantrums and had a notoriously volatile temper.  I believe he voted against doing away with Obamacare because it was Trumps bill and betrayed his own voters will because he had a personal grudge against Trump.  He didn't do what was best for America but his own ego! 


My opinion is also that the only reason why the liberals are frothing over him now is because he hated Trump.


That is just the way I clearly see it.

[Palehorse]

I know NcCain planned it the way he wanted it...I think that was incredible, not too many people get that opportunity.


McCain was no saint.  He didn't vote many times as he promised his constituents....he campaigned conservative and voted moderate.  He was known for throwing tantrums and had a notoriously volatile temper.  I believe he voted against doing away with Obamacare because it was Trumps bill and betrayed his own voters will because he had a personal grudge against Trump.  He didn't do what was best for America but his own ego! 


My opinion is also that the only reason why the liberals are frothing over him now is because he hated Trump.


That is just the way I clearly see it.

You really need to do some research on him. He voted against repeal of the ACA because the replacement was not acceptable to him as it did not meet the needs of those he represented; the American Citizens. His memorial service clearly demonstrated his willingness and ability to reach across the aisle and seek out common ground. The good people of the state of Arizona would beg to differ with you as they kept voting him into office; I say specifically because he DID represent their needs and desires.

So he had a temper. . . Show me someone that doesn't. (Hint: Look into the Oval Office for example).

You fail to give due weight to the mans military record and his decades of public service afterwards. No one is frothing over him, rather they are defending the good name and reputation of a true American Patriot and son of this nation. Especially when the CAD in the oval office chooses to drag his name through the mud and sully his reputation (poorly), even as he faced death.

We heard two POTUS's from opposing sides speak to his service, his ability and dogged effort to reach common ground, as well as their opinions surrounding the status of politics today and its current leadership just yesterday. And for once in nearly two decades they agreed on these things completely. So even in death John McCain continues to be of service to this nation.

John Kerry and John McCain were fiercely opposed, and yet McCain worked with Kerry to bring about normalization of the relationships between the US and Vietnam; those at whose hand he suffered torture and a lifetime of physical limitations. President Clinton stated that had the bill not had the full support of John McCain, and McCains assurances that he would defend the POTUS if he signed the bill, he'd have never signed it.

I find it shameful that so many in this nation look down upon John McCain and his service to this nation, based upon talking points rooted in untruths and half-truths, uttered by angry and butt hurt individuals who have personally sacrificed nothing for a cause greater than themselves.  (I don't mean this to be directed toward you personally).

I never voted for him because the one time I had the opportunity to was when he chose Palin as his VP. A mistake he committed and acknowledged publicly.  And yes, he made mistakes, but he owned them and apologized for them publicly and took his lumps. And kept getting re-elected.