Arizona ... Right or wrong?

[Henry Hawk]

And I suppose, based on Henry and "me's" comments that tunnel vision is a mentally debilitating disease. "Why, if we can't profile then huff puff then all will be lost!!!" :rolleyes;

Moonglow brings up the point that PH and myself mentioned earlier.

There are other ways to deal with illegal immigration.

name them

[Sandy Eggo]

name them

R-E-A-D-I-N-G it's good for you and me...


I made a couple suggestions practically right off the bat in this thread. You were so busy defending Arizona's right to terrorize and harrass citizens that you apparently overlooked my post.

Are up that short-sighted that you think this is the ONLY way? or that it's even a good idea? If you answered yes to either of those questions, then you're obviously full of

[me]

Are you living there?  Did you read the bill that was passed?  Do you know for a fact they will be terrorizing and harassing citizens?  What is it about illegal you don't understand? 

[Palehorse]

Are you living there?

No and neither are you, but you seem to assume a position of knowing more than the rest of us based upon the kool aid you've been slurping up from the media.

Both of us live in Indiana and now the idiots we elected are talking about floating a similar law here. Whats your validation for that piece of crap legislation?

  Did you read the bill that was passed?

I doubt you did. . .

  Do you know for a fact they will be terrorizing and harassing citizens? 

Who are you referring to when you say "they". The police?

What is it about illegal you don't understand?

What is it about the constitution that you do not understand?

[Sandy Eggo]

Exactly! Thanks for taking care of my light work, PH

[Sandy Eggo]

Just one thing: The bill gives them the right to terrorize and harass citizens. It doesn't matter that they're a citizen, just that they "look" a certain way which is subjective and entirely up to the person who decides to terrorize and harrass.

[Palehorse]

Exactly! Thanks for taking care of my light work, PH

Oops. . . sorry. . .  

[me]

No and neither are you, but you seem to assume a position of knowing more than the rest of us based upon the kool aid you've been slurping up from the media.

Both of us live in Indiana and now the idiots we elected are talking about floating a similar law here. Whats your validation for that piece of crap legislation?


I doubt you did. . .
Who are you referring to when you say "they". The police?
What is it about the constitution that you do not understand?

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to be here illegally?  And yes, I was referring to the police.

Side thought.  We are actually working on solving the immigration problem.  The way things are going lately we will be just like the oppression the immigrants are coming here to escape so they will quit coming and those who are here will just go back to their own countries.....Damn.....what a good idea....

[Palehorse]

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to be here illegally?  And yes, I was referring to the police.

. . .

For starters. . .I never said anyone had a right to be here illegally, however the constitution clearly imposes certain rights upon all "people", and this supposed immigration law of Arizona's threatens current and legal citizens under, in part:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

. . .

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

. . .

Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution

[me]

And naturalized citizens have no problem only the people who are here illegally and if they are stopped for a traffic violation and don't have the proper papers, which they are required to carry by law, then they can be subject to arrest.  No one can be detained just because they "might" be an illegal. 

[Palehorse]

And naturalized citizens have no problem only the people who are here illegally and if they are stopped for a traffic violation and don't have the proper papers, which they are required to carry by law, then they can be subject to arrest.  No one can be detained just because they "might" be an illegal.

Define reasonable suspicion? What does an illegal alien look like? You cannot, nor does the law in Arizona define either of these among other issues. Result? Those charged with enforcing the law will abuse it and the citizens of this country!

Then there's that little phrase at the end of Amendment 14. . ." nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

[me]

If someone is arrested for a crime, stopped for a traffic violation, or breaking the law in some other manner they can be asked for papers but no one can be stopped arbitrarily and asked for papers just because.  No one sitting in an ice cream parlor with their kids having an ice cream cone will be bothered.

[Palehorse]

If someone is arrested for a crime, stopped for a traffic violation, or breaking the law in some other manner they can be asked for papers but no one can be stopped arbitrarily and asked for papers just because.  No one sitting in an ice cream parlor with their kids having an ice cream cone will be bothered.

You keep believing that and you'll be living the dream here in Indiana soon. . .

[me]

Why is it the only ones who are objecting are illegals, attorney's who stand to profit, and those who don't live in the state of Arizona?

[Palehorse]

Why is it the only ones who are objecting are illegals, attorney's who stand to profit, and those who don't live in the state of Arizona?

If you believe that you are worse than I thought!

Those of us who do not live in the state of AZ are worried because that type of draconian and unconstitutional law will soon be in our own state if it is allowed to stand. Just look at what the jackass from Carmel is trying to do ALREADY by trying to get Indiana to adopt a similar law! How does the the "violence" validation card play out here??? It is racial profiling legalized!