Arizona ... Right or wrong?

[Sandy Eggo]

Well good grief, PH. Doncha know that the only dangerous immigrants are the Mexicans? "Those people" are all really dangerous murderous drug-crazed lazy welfare recipient freeloaders who illegally vote for democrats! They are the cause of the moral decline of the US and if we could just get rid of "those people" all crime, drugs and democrats would go with them.

[Moonglow]

So do illegals from poland get I.D. ed?

[Palehorse]

Moonglow raises a key component in all of this :

Quote from: Moonglow on Today at 03:24:38 PM
So do illegals from poland get I.D. ed?

What about the Poles, Serbs, Croats, Russians, Africans, blah, blah, blah; all of them here illegally as well. Think those cops will stop and question anyone who is not brown skinned? I doubt it. . . This will end up being a racial initiative against Mexican / Hispanics period. . .  And that is WRONG on so many levels.

As followthewolf has been saying from the onset; How does a law enforcement officer tell who is here illegally? What are the criteria for determination of, and validating an officer's "duty" to detain anyone until they can prove citizenship?

Answer: There is no way and so they'll stop everyone.



Give me your papers!

[me]

Ok what ever.  I guess that means they can just run roughshod over the residence of Arizona and laugh at us for being so "politically correct" then.   I guess that also means from now on when a description is given of someone who robs a bank or commits a murder that the cops should just stop everyone in the area rather than the people who's descriptions might match 'cause that would be profiling no matter what the description.  Oh no wait, better yet they shouldn't stop anyone because the people were just "expressing" themselves and had a right to do so 'cause they had a bad childhood. 

[Palehorse]

Ok what ever.  I guess that means they can just run roughshod over the residence of Arizona and laugh at us for being so "politically correct" then.   I guess that also means from now on when a description is given of someone who robs a bank or commits a murder that the cops should just stop everyone in the area rather than the people who's descriptions might match 'cause that would be profiling no matter what the description.  Oh no wait, better yet they shouldn't stop anyone because the people were just "expressing" themselves and had a right to do so 'cause they had a bad childhood. 

Just what I expected. . . more reactionary and emotional drivel. . .None responsive to boot.

[me]

Just what I expected. . . more reactionary and emotional drivel. . .None responsive to boot.

But ya'll keep bringing things into it that aren't there.  The problem exists with the Mexican illegals so who else are they supposed to be checking? 

[Moonglow]

where they are earning a living.

[Palehorse]

Someone earlier in this topic mentioned something about the police saying they cannot run the immigration status of law breakers; that is nothing but pure horse manure. The fact is if ANYONE breaks the laws of this land, no matter how minor the infraction, law enforcement officers can, and many do, run the lawbreaker's name through immigration and obtain their status.

In the case of false identification they then have cause to hold the individual until immigration can resolve the question. This is especially so within the border states, because immigration maintains a higher presence there; but it is true nationwide.

The ones that "say" they cannot are only making that statement because it creates a substantial amount of additional work for them. IF they are serious about controlling illegal alien status, they'll create positions wherein the officers main duty is to investigate and liaison with immigration officials.

But ya'll keep bringing things into it that aren't there.  The problem exists with the Mexican illegals so who else are they supposed to be checking? 

You say that as if the status "illegal alien" applies only to those of hispanic descent, and nothing could be further from the truth.


Estimated Illegal Aliens in the US and Country of Origin (1996)

1. Mexico 2,700,000.
2. El Salvador 335,000
3. Guatemala 165,000
4. Canada 120,000 (OOPS there goes that argument about canadians not being a problem)
5. Haiti 105,000
. . .
10 Poland 70,000

Granted, this report is 14 years old, but it demonstrates that it is NOT just hispanics or Mexicans who are responsible for the problem, and certainly validates the extreme monitoring of all borders and not just those with Mexico. And oh, btw, stats I have seen indicate that 50% of ARIZONA companies employ illegal aliens. So why aren't they enforcing the laws already on the books instead of creating draconian laws?

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf If youj care to read the entire report.

[Moonglow]

All I see is civil lawsuits that the state of Arizona will have to pay for racial profiling, even if the plaintiffs are illegals.

[Henry Hawk]

So, I guess your guys idea is lets do nothing and shut our eyes....

the bottom line is...........I know for a fact, the time always shines the truth on things....

we will see, in a mater of time...what the right answer is or should have been.....

I will tell you one thing....I am extremely proud to be an American, who happens to be Conservative, and not ashamed that I am White or a Christian.....I am sick and tired of being demonized for being so...and I am proudly going stand for those conservative men and women who are in Washington, standing up for the constitution, and trying to restore this great nation.

with that said,

I am out for a few days....

Hank

[Sandy Eggo]

And I suppose, based on Henry and "me's" comments that tunnel vision is a mentally debilitating disease. "Why, if we can't profile then huff puff then all will be lost!!!" :rolleyes;

Moonglow brings up the point that PH and myself mentioned earlier.

There are other ways to deal with illegal immigration.

[kimmi]

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    ' With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Except if you are from Mexico.  You don't count! 

[Palehorse]

And now the state of Indiana has some doofus, Sen. Mike Delph, R-Carmel, saying he is going to introduce a bill to enact a similar law to that of Arizona here in Indiana! WTH is wrong with this idiot?!

California has already started boycotting Arizona, refusing to do any business with them and enter into any contracts; to the tune of some 53 million dollars being lost by businesses and the state of Arizona over this crap. Should other states follow suit and Indiana pass a similar law, we might as well roll out the razor wire and electric fences at the state line.

This is a HUGE waste of state revenue and time, all of which could be better utilized in figuring out solutions for the growing list of problems this state and its citizens are having to endure! 

[LOsborne]

California has already started boycotting Arizona, refusing to do any business with them and enter into any contracts; to the tune of some 53 million dollars being lost by businesses and the state of Arizona over this crap.

Oops. A giggle escaped there. I mean, California is broke. Is their boycott really all that effective? Is Arizona going to weep and carry-on because California refuses to load them down with even more bad debts Arizona won't have a hope in hell of collecting?

[Palehorse]

Oops. A giggle escaped there. I mean, California is broke. Is their boycott really all that effective? Is Arizona going to weep and carry-on because California refuses to load them down with even more bad debts Arizona won't have a hope in hell of collecting?

It is 53 million the state of Arizona is going to have to obtain elsewhere. Maybe Texas or New Mexico has an extra 53 million in services and contracts they are willing to toss them; unless they too decide to join Cali. . .

Besides, once the Napa Valley of Weed opens next year, Cali is going to be flush with cash generated via taxation of the stuff, and the rest of the country will be chasing hispanics and selling off capital to fund the effort. 

Now. lets not bury the real issue here either: INDIANA is actually going to consider enacting a similar law? WTF is wrong with this state????

*****Correction: It is the City of LA that is enacting the boycott and it amounts to 56 million in contracts and tourism losses. . .