I have a very hard time psyching myself up for arguing with idiots on the internet.
I had a vision that the internet, and places like this, could be an Agora where people could congregate and use facts, evidence, and logic to come to a consensus for issues necessary to propagate a free self-governing people, but instead I found too many crazies that don't care about anything but their insanity who beat the sane voices down by sheer numbers and volume.
This is still one good spot, but even here no matter how hard I try, or how well I present the evidence/facts, or how compelling my argument I can't persuade even one of the fantasists that their worldview doesn't have a leg to stand on.
It's as I stated elsewhere on the forum, I now see America as an asylum being run by the inmates and I fear for us.
Quote from: Olias on March 18, 2013, 09:26:51 AM
RE: the number of idiots online ...
I had a theory once about this. It's as if the Internet opened up a way for everyone to be seen (albeit anonymously) and 'published' on the internet and the narcissists and self-centered types piled on.
LOL! I've had several conversations specifically on that topic.
Face Book is a prime example of that phenomena. FB, Twitter, etc. are made for, and up of, narcissists who think they're so self-important that the world should know every little thought they have, thing they do, etc.. It's exactly why I have none of them and use none of them.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 18, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
The situation you describe is very akin to teaching.
The recipient must be willing to accept the information and then process it; else, the dialogue cannot continue.
If each (or one) party has preconceived ideas about what is being discussed, the exercise is one of futility.
Otherwise, green is green to one and red to the other.
Having taught music for nigh on forty years I know exactly what you're talking about. I can't even begin to number the students who knew nothing about music but not only knew what they needed to learn and how they needed to learn it. Needless to say they didn't.
Had a feeling our backgrounds were similar.
Quote from: Y on March 20, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Having taught music for nigh on forty years I know exactly what you're talking about. I can't even begin to number the students who knew nothing about music but not only knew what they needed to learn and how they needed to learn it. Needless to say they didn't.
You are one of the overpaid and under worked teachers who are always wanting to dip into my pocket for more money because you think you deserve it.
Quote from: RC on March 21, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
You are one of the overpaid and under worked teachers who are always wanting to dip into my pocket for more money because you think you deserve it.
And just where do you get your information about how hard teachers work. :confused: Back it up dummy and don't use Fox New network crap. :yes:
Quote from: RC on March 21, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
You are one of the overpaid and under worked teachers who are always wanting to dip into my pocket for more money because you think you deserve it.
You really don't know what the hell you're talking about at all, do you?
Try the job and see if you can stand it for a week before you go wagging your tongue about things that you really aren't qualified to assess.
Being a private music teacher would have to be a pain at times and I wouldn't do it for all the money in the world. However, on the upside there would have to be those few students that make it all worth it when they actually do something worthwhile with what you taught them.
As far as FB goes there are those few idiots on there but it is a good way to keep in touch with family and friends and also a good way to keep up on local happenings. A person can enjoy it without getting all hung up on the stupid stuff. FB was never meant to be a gathering place for serious discussions nor was Twitter.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 21, 2013, 02:53:27 PM
Try the job and see if you can stand it for a week before you go wagging your tongue about things that you really aren't qualified to assess.
The obvious irony here is how these miscreants bitch about "their" money while people like me who have no children have been subsidizing their inbred heel-spawn for our entire lives.
Everyone who owns or is buying or renting pays property taxes which support the schools. We haven[t had children in the school system for 30 years but still pay property taxes and paid them for years before we had children in the system.
Quote from: Anne on March 22, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
Everyone who owns or is buying or renting pays property taxes which support the schools. We haven[t had children in the school system for 30 years but still pay property taxes and paid them for years before we had children in the system.
So do I and I don't mind as long as we have the school we have for our town. It's one of the highest rated high schools in Indiana. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 22, 2013, 01:06:03 PM
The obvious irony here is how these miscreants bitch about "their" money while people like me who have no children have been subsidizing their inbred heel-spawn for our entire lives.
Society can be thankful that you have no children .
Quote from: RC on March 24, 2013, 01:45:30 PM
Society can be thankful that you have no children .
If only society could say such about you. . .
Quote from: Anne on March 22, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
Everyone who owns or is buying or renting pays property taxes which support the schools. We haven[t had children in the school system for 30 years but still pay property taxes and paid them for years before we had children in the system.
Of course. The obvious difference is that there were never any children I fathered in the system and more importantly, I'm not bitching about it. My point was that the people who are always doing the complaining about how money is being taken away from them and given to others are often those who are actually sponging off of everyone else.
Quote from: RC on March 24, 2013, 01:45:30 PM
Society can be thankful that you have no children .
Yes, because it's far better to fill the world with sub-100 IQ illiterate rednecks than intelligent, articulate, educated people. Congratulations on propagating the planet with the least fit and least resourceful of our species; you've fooled evolution!
Quote from: Exterminator on March 24, 2013, 04:11:50 PM
. . .Congratulations on propagating the planet with the least fit and least resourceful of our species; you've fooled evolution!
Alas, though evolution may indeed be fooled for the time being, we all know evolution cannot be fooled forever. Sooner or later the evolutionary process will eradicate the least fit and resourceful of the species, and at that time it will suck very hard to be them. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 24, 2013, 04:11:50 PM
Yes, because it's far better to fill the world with sub-100 IQ illiterate rednecks than intelligent, articulate, educated people. Congratulations on propagating the planet with the least fit and least resourceful of our species; you've fooled evolution!
Have you ever met me? Have you given me a IQ test? Have you ever spoken with me to see, if I am articulate? Do you know for sure how many children I have?
Is any one who disagrees with your liberal/socialist ideas a unintelligent redneck?
Why are you so concerned with people and them having children? This seems to be a them in your posts.
Your posting here prove you're a marginal illiterate which is a pretty good indicator of the rest.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
Alas, though evolution may indeed be fooled for the time being, we all know evolution cannot be fooled forever. Sooner or later the evolutionary process will eradicate the least fit and resourceful of the species, and at that time it will suck very hard to be them. :icon_twisted:
And so it begins. . .
Quote from: Anne on March 22, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
Everyone who owns or is buying or renting pays property taxes which support the schools. We haven[t had children in the school system for 30 years but still pay property taxes and paid them for years before we had children in the system.
Same here, but I don't mind except when that money goes to fund religious schools and a farm system for professional sports. :mad:
I don't mind supporting the school system, but I would rather pay a larger sales tax than a property tax. I was making the point that everyone who rents or buys property helps support the school systems, it doesn't make you special.
Quote from: Anne on April 11, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
I was making the point that everyone who rents or buys property helps support the school systems, it doesn't make you special.
And I was making the point that everyone without children who pays property taxes subsidizes the people who do have children. I do not have a problem with doing so; I think it is good for society, ergo, I do not bitch about it. It does, however, offend me when people whose children I subsidize in the various school systems bitch about how
their money is being spent for these programs. It isn't their money; it's mine and I'm ok with it...I think it's good!
Quote from: Exterminator on April 11, 2013, 07:20:37 PM
And I was making the point that everyone without children who pays property taxes subsidizes the people who do have children. I do not have a problem with doing so; I think it is good for society, ergo, I do not bitch about it. It does, however, offend me when people whose children I subsidize in the various school systems bitch about how their money is being spent for these programs. It isn't their money; it's mine and I'm ok with it...I think it's good!
Then quit calling them hell spawn among other disrespectful things.
Quote from: Y on April 11, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Same here, but I don't mind except when that money goes to fund religious schools and a farm system for professional sports. :mad:
Exactly. :yes:
Just why is churches and church property tax exempt? :angry:
Quote from: The Troll on April 15, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Just why is churches and church property tax exempt? :angry:
Why? Because the bible thumpers say so!
Quote from: Anne on April 11, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
I don't mind supporting the school system, but I would rather pay a larger sales tax than a property tax. I was making the point that everyone who rents or buys property helps support the school systems, it doesn't make you special.
A sales tax is a very regressive tax. It affects the lower economic strata at a disproportionate amount as compared to the higher economic strata - in other words it favors the 'rich', which isn't you.
That tax idea, like the 'flat tax' bull crap, is nothing more than manipulation by the 'rich' to further benefit themselves - as if they haven't rigged the game in their favor in practically every way possible.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 16, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Why? Because the bible thumpers say so!
And wasn't intended to create a way for religions to amass wealth.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 15, 2013, 12:36:01 PM
Exactly. :yes:
Have you seen all those ridiculously fallacious commercials by the IHSAA aimed at preventing sports being dropped from schools due to financial restraints? Oh hell, we can't hurt the IHSAA or collegiate/professional sports bottom line and free taxpayer supported farm system. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Y on April 25, 2013, 07:11:40 PM
A sales tax is a very regressive tax. It affects the lower economic strata at a disproportionate amount as compared to the higher economic strata - in other words it favors the 'rich', which isn't you.
That tax idea, like the 'flat tax' bull crap, is nothing more than manipulation by the 'rich' to further benefit themselves - as if they haven't rigged the game in their favor in practically every way possible.
Now exactly how would a flat tax benefit the rich? They buy more expensive things and would, therefore, pay more taxes than the middle class and below. It would generate more income in the long run.
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
Now exactly how would a flat tax benefit the rich? They buy more expensive things and would, therefore, pay more taxes than the middle class and below. It would generate more income in the long run.
If you had listened to the things I and others have previously explained to you about different types of taxes, you would not be asking such an ignorant question...again.
The lower classes have less expendable income that isn't eaten up by living expenses and therefore cannot afford those type of taxes. It's the economic concept behind progressive taxation.
Quote from: Y on April 25, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
If you had listened to the things I and others have previously explained to you about different types of taxes, you would not be asking such an ignorant question...again.
The lower classes have less expendable income that isn't eaten up by living expenses and therefore cannot afford those type of taxes. It's the economic concept behind progressive taxation.
But they would have more disposable income because there would be no income tax. Even at 1% it would generate enough income from the rich without really hurting the lower income. I do feel, however, that food and medicine should remain untaxed with the exception of the fancier foods only rich people purchase and middle and lower income seldom or never purchase. Also no tax on WIC,
EBT cash, or food items if food is taxed.
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 08:23:12 PM
But they would have more disposable income because there would be no income tax. Even at 1% it would generate enough income from the rich without really hurting the lower income. I do feel, however, that food and medicine should remain untaxed with the exception of the fancier foods only rich people purchase and middle and lower income seldom or never purchase. Also no tax on WIC,
EBT cash, or food items if food is taxed.
If you actually believe that theory, then why were / are you squalling over the increase in taxation of those making 250k and up?
Quote from: Palehorse on May 01, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
If you actually believe that theory, then why were / are you squalling over the increase in taxation of those making 250k and up?
It hurts small businesses at the 250k rate more than it hurts large corporations.
Quote from: me on May 01, 2013, 02:07:49 PM
It hurts small businesses at the 250k rate more than it hurts large corporations.
$250,000 after all expenses and taxes paid and you're sorry for the poor under paid people. :haha: You got to be kidding or you're one sorry old red headed fool. :doh: :dam:
:zoners: People who have their head up their ass. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on May 01, 2013, 04:15:20 PM
$250,000 after all expenses and taxes paid and you're sorry for the poor under paid people. :haha: You got to be kidding or you're one sorry old red headed fool. :doh: :dam:
:zoners: People who have their head up their ass. :haha: :haha:
Ya, you're right. Why do they need any of that money to reinvest or expand when they could give it all, or half of it, to the government?