Let's use this thread to keep track of the flat out lies that have been posted in the various other threads around here. :icon_twisted: Whenever you find a lie, just post it here and we'll have our own 'pants on fire' type of award once we start seeing some trends.
I'll go first. :devil29:
We have these two so far:
Quote from: me on August 04, 2012, 11:00:50 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/Obamacontridictions.jpg)
Quote from: me on August 14, 2012, 10:56:04 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/BillalreadypassedObama.jpg)
My favorite of all time .... :biggrin:
Quote from: me on January 08, 2009, 05:31:12 PM
And they used to grow grapes in England but can't now because the climate is too cold so where's the global warming there? Check that out... :razz:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=12324.105 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=12324.105)
And then there was Henry's "Luxury Prison" ....
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=14574.msg320443#msg320443 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=14574.msg320443#msg320443)
WARNING!!!!
The link referenced in Hank's original post is now listed as an "attack page" Please do not click on the link. But you can get the premise of his post by reading the subsequent posts.
Here's another one that came to mind when she mentioned the library in the other thread. Or maybe it's just an opinion, slip-up, mistake, accident, or some other euphemism. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on May 15, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
Ya, I think someone who did drugs excessively, attended class, (college), sparingly, hung with the rough crowd, and played basketball constantly, (page 93 Dream From My Father), over that anytime. :wink:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18247.0
Quote from: Locutus on August 17, 2012, 01:57:58 PM
Here's another one that came to mind when she mentioned the library in the other thread. Or maybe it's just an opinion, slip-up, mistake, accident, or some other euphemism. :rolleyes:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18247.0
I was just thinking of that! :biggrin:
Not only that, but .....
Claimed that Romney's bullying of a gay student and forcibly cutting his hair took place in "grade school" when it was in his senior year of high school.
Claimed that the victim doesn't remember the incident, even though the victim died eight years ago, well before the incident became news.
Quote from: me on May 23, 2012, 11:47:35 AM
Ya'll are raggin' on Romney over a supposed "grade school" thing that even the supposed victim says didn't really happen
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg436542;topicseen#msg436542 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg436542;topicseen#msg436542)
(Do I get extra points for pointing out two lies in one sentence? :biggrin: )
Here's another one:
Quote from: me on September 01, 2012, 04:50:03 PM
You have got to be kidding me.
Shovel Ready Obama!
DNC Erects Obama Sand Monument At The Democratic National Convention
http://www.wazaap.com/2012/09/01/shovel-ready-obama-dnc-erects-obama-sand-monument-democratic-national-convention/
As of the time of this posting she still hasn't figured out how the statue can exist, but what she posted is a lie. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on September 01, 2012, 05:31:55 PM
As of the time of this posting she still hasn't figured out how the statue can exist, but what she posted is a lie. :no:
We all know she is Bat Shit Crazy. But that's what a Sheeple Republican thinks. Why not lie, she love Lying Ryan the most bare face liar Republican they got. :yes: :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on September 01, 2012, 05:40:41 PM
We all know she is Bat Shit Crazy. But that's what a Sheeple Republican thinks. Why not lie, she love Lying Ryan the most bare face liar Republican they got. :yes: :razz:
This is all I have to say to you Troll:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/dontjudgemebasedonyourignorance.jpg)
Quote from: me on September 01, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
This is all I have to say to you Troll:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/dontjudgemebasedonyourignorance.jpg)
It doesn't take a rocket science, a genius :genius: a shrink, Mickey Mouse to figure out that you are Bat Shit Crazy. :biggrin: I got you figured out Chunky. :kiss:
Anyone else beginning to see a pattern here?
How can you tell if someone is a pathological liar?
Pathological liars - or "mythomaniacs" - may be suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder.
Some Characteristics:
Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.
One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be - this will probably not be effective. It's threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there's anything wrong with them.
They "construct" a reality around themselves. They don't value the truth, especially if they don't see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, "Well, what's the difference? You're making a big deal out of nothing!" (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs).
Because these people don't value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment.
They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there's some mysteriously "illness" that has them all stressed out. It's another excuse tool for their behavior.
Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?).
Will someone please tell me what kind of nose protector and breathing device will the Republican Sheep have to use when they vote for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. It is a damn shame that a party that was so great in the past, The GOP have to run these duds and liars for their President and Vice President. What a freaking shame. :haha:
Who knows the Mormon Church and Pope :pope: will pray :pray: enough to get them in. :rolleyes: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:
Quote from: Olias on September 04, 2012, 12:26:23 PM
Anyone else beginning to see a pattern here?
The lies certainly do appear to emanate from a certain direction, don't they? You should have been around this weekend for the "Obama Sand Monument" conversation.
;D
Quote from: Locutus on September 04, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
The lies certainly do appear to emanate from a certain direction, don't they? You should have been around this weekend for the "Obama Sand Monument" conversation.
;D
I sure hope they are selling English grapes and wine next to the Obama Monument. :wink:
Quote from: The Troll on September 04, 2012, 04:22:59 PM
I sure hope they are selling English grapes and wine next to the Obama Monument. :wink:
They may very well be. Nothing goes with a nice monument to an undeserving president like grapes and wine. Maybe they'll throw in some Swiss cheese from South America to cap it all off. :rotfl:
Or some special imported dog meat. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on September 04, 2012, 06:02:39 PM
Or some special imported dog meat. :biggrin:
Dog meat, you don't have to worry about dog meat. After the election you will be eating CROW. CAAAA, CAAAA, CAAAAA. :wink: :razz:
The latest outright, blatant, downright dirty LIE!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 03:14:34 PM
Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.
are YOU F"G serious!? :rant: What the F is the matter with this administration? :rant:
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
Found this on Fox news .....
**UPDATE**
Further Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:
"The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB Cairo."
http://nation.foxnews.com/us-embassy-attack/2012/09/13/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo (http://nation.foxnews.com/us-embassy-attack/2012/09/13/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo)
THE LIES YOU POST BECOME YOUR OWN.
You are right, leave it to FoxNews to get the story right.. (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/kap.gif) ...I fell in the trap.....but, I did hear 95.9 radio, make this report. Then I went to the internet.(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/kap.gif)
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
It wasn't just Fox. It's all over the place. I just posted their link because I figured you might believe them.
You know ... one liar to another ...
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
Olias, Henry is just like a big old catfish. He will take and false informantion from the liars from Fox News. With Hannity, O'Riley, Sarah Palin and other lying assholes like Limbaugh, Colter and the talking heads for the Republican Party. He will take any lie hook, line and sinker if it's for the Republican Party.
All I can say is, The Hawk is Bat Shit Crazy. :zoners:s
Quote from: me on September 15, 2012, 08:34:18 PM
There was a vote, the people spoke, what can be more clear than that? What is the point in voting if it isn't going to count and the dems keep wanting a do over every time things don't go their way?
And another one.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 10:53:17 AM
And another one.
That was a misstatement which I have corrected.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
That was a misstatement which I have corrected.
Ignorance is no excuse.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 12:13:24 PM
Ignorance is no excuse.
Not ignorance just tired and had wrong thing in mind. There is a difference between a mistake and ignorance that was a mistake not ignorance.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Not ignorance just tired and had wrong thing in mind. There is a difference between a mistake and ignorance that was a mistake not ignorance.
There is a difference between reading what you are responding to before responding, and just blurting out the first thing you think of. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 01:09:48 PM
There is a difference between reading what you are responding to before responding, and just blurting out the first thing you think of. . .
I just had it backwards is all. If you don't want to take it as a mistake so be it I will just go take back my apology so it can remain as you see it.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
I just had it backwards is all. If you don't want to take it as a mistake so be it I will just go take back my apology so it can remain as you see it.
It's presence here means I took it as a lie. . . :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 01:36:01 PM
It's presence here means I took it as a lie. . . :biggrin:
As Olias has said previously:
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
THE LIES YOU POST BECOME YOUR OWN.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
I just had it backwards is all. If you don't want to take it as a mistake so be it I will just go take back my apology so it can remain as you see it.
Yes, you are certainly backwards.
Absolutely NO doubt about that.
In the interest of fairness I indict myself into this hall of shame with the following:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 01:16:14 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/523073_523777867651671_817785012_n.jpg)
;D
Okey dokey whatever if you're that small then so be it.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 03:14:11 PM
Okey dokey whatever if you're that small then so be it.
Hard to say to whom that commentary is directed. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 03:15:23 PM
Hard to say to whom that commentary is directed. . .
I think she's talking to FTW there.
Quote from: Locutus on September 16, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
I think she's talking to FTW there.
Perhaps. . . but one cannot say for sure with this one. . . :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
Perhaps. . . but one cannot say for sure with this one. . . :icon_twisted:
I'm fairly sure that not even she knows.
Fatigue, you know. Not having her mind (?) on the subject at hand.
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 16, 2012, 04:35:53 PM
I'm fairly sure that not even she knows.
Fatigue, you know. Not having her mind (?) on the subject at hand.
:biggrin:
Gee, could it be that I'm saying if the shoe fits and each of you can draw your own conclusions as to which one it's directed at?
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
Gee, could it be that I'm saying if the shoe fits and each of you can draw your own conclusions as to which one it's directed at?
See what I mean? :rolleyes:
Abso-friggin'-lutely classic!!!!
I've read about her in a textbook!!!
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 16, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
Abso-friggin'-lutely classic!!!!
I've read about her in a textbook!!!
Ya'll just need to calm down and think a little is all.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 07:59:58 PM
Ya'll just need to calm down and think a little is all.
Anyone else see the irony in this? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 16, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
Anyone else see the irony in this? :rolleyes:
This is exactly what I've been trying to point out.
Absolutely textbook.
Incredible.
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 16, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
This is exactly what I've been trying to point out.
Absolutely textbook.
Incredible.
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: me on September 16, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
Where are these things being done? Now while you're complaining about this remember it was the dems wanting to disenfranchise the military vote by disallowing their mail ins.
:roll eyes:
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 16, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
This is exactly what I've been trying to point out.
Absolutely textbook.
Incredible.
:haha: :haha: :haha: Incredible! :haha: :haha: :haha: Just think how boring it would be without "ME" :haha: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: me on September 27, 2012, 10:22:31 PM
What does that have to do with ACORN. Are we gettin' a tad touchy and trying to avoid the subject here? :wink:
ACORN is still going strong and working for Obama. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/can-obama-win-without-acorn/262761/
Another one.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg453509#msg453509
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
Another one.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg453509#msg453509
Resolved Question
Show me another »
Obama Gives New Grant to ACORN; Did He Violate Federal Law?
Why is President Obama apparently defying federal law by funding ACORN?
Judicial Watch discovered that the Obama administration is flouting the will of Congress by giving federal taxpayer money to ACORN.
spectator.org/blog
Obama's Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave a $79,819 grant to the largest branch of the ACORN tree, ACORN Housing Corp. (AHC). AHC filed papers last year legally changing its name to Affordable Housing Centers of
America (AHCOA). It's the same old organization with a brand new ACORN-free name.
Worse yet, the grant funds a political agitation and indoctrination program. Here's HUD's euphemistic description of the program:
Education and Outreach Initiative grants (EOI) - HUD awarded $6.8 million to organizations that educate the public and housing providers about their rights and obligations under federal, state, and local fair housing laws. Groups will also conduct fair lending workshops, community meetings, and individual counseling activities focused on homeowners at risk for discrimination.
According to HUD, the grant money came out of fiscal 2010 appropriations.
That's a big problem.
As I reported previously, in 2009 Congress passed four separate appropriations bills that contained language blocking federal funds from flowing to ACORN during federal fiscal year 2010, which ran from Oct. 1, 2009 through Sept. 30, 2010. All four of the laws prevent ACORN and its affiliated groups from receiving federal taxpayer dollars.
The funding prohibition in Public Law 111-117 (PDF) applies specifically to HUD. It spells out in pretty clear terms that ACORN shouldn't be getting any government funding. Let's see just how clearly it spells it out:
Division A - Section 418. None of the funds made available under this Act or any prior Act may be provided to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), or any of its affiliates, subsidiaries, or allied organizations. [p. 80 of PDF]
Division B - Section 534. None of the funds made available under this Act may be distributed to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) or its subsidiaries. [p. 125 of PDF]
Division E - Section 511. None of the funds made available in this division or any other division in this Act may be distributed to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) or its subsidiaries. [p. 279 of PDF]
Yet despite the ban, President Obama, who worked for ACORN as an employee and as the group's lawyer, found it in his heart to hand over $79,819 of your money to his thug friends at ACORN.
As I warn in my new book, Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers, ACORN is still with us, doing its best to destroy American capitalism and democracy.
The group is gearing up right now to make sure President Obama gets reelected in 2012. Its state chapters have adopted assumed names and remain active. Project Vote, ACORN's vote manufacturing factory, continues to operate unmolested in ACORN's Washington, D.C. office.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110630123836AAClzCH
^^ ACORN is defunct! Are you going to continue to lie based on something posted on a blog? That's simply not factual.
They haven't been around since 2010. You've now chosen to lie right here on the TUZ lie tracker thread. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
^^ ACORN is defunct! Are you going to continue to lie based on something posted on a blog? That's simply not factual.
They haven't been around since 2010. You've now chosen to lie right here on the TUZ lie tracker thread. :rolleyes:
yep, it a lie, she always lies. ACORN was set up with a lie and closed down over a lie. Just more work by the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
Another one.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg453509#msg453509
Yup. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
^^ ACORN is defunct! Are you going to continue to lie based on something posted on a blog? That's simply not factual.
They haven't been around since 2010. You've now chosen to lie right here on the TUZ lie tracker thread. :rolleyes:
As part of the effort by some chapters to stay afloat by severing ties with the national organization, California ACORN changed its name to Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York ACORN renamed itself New York Communities for Change, and an offshoot of the ACORN organization called Acorn Housing changed its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America yet
has retained the same tax and employee identification numbers that it held under its former name.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 28, 2012, 08:26:33 AM
As part of the effort by some chapters to stay afloat by severing ties with the national organization, California ACORN changed its name to Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York ACORN renamed itself New York Communities for Change, and an offshoot of the ACORN organization called Acorn Housing changed its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America yet has retained the same tax and employee identification numbers that it held under its former name.
Soooo? What about it? More shit from the The Bird Boy. The Republicans have wanted to destroy ACORN for years because ACORN has been a huge help to the black poor people. :yes:
But the Republican Dirty Tricks Team sent this moron in a fur coat with women acting like whores with a hidden camera where the ACORN staff told him how he could increase his prostitution business. All lies, all bull shit and all in the Bird Boys mind. Can't you go back in history and bring up George W. and all of his fuck ups which almost destroyed America. What a jerk. :bird: :haha:
Yet another one ..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 02, 2012, 11:59:14 AM
And we know you aren't lying because?
Quote from: Olias on October 02, 2012, 12:02:24 PM
Grow up. How many lies have we caught you on? How many lies have I told?
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 02, 2012, 12:06:45 PM
Because Olias verifies his sources and doesn't just pass things along for no good reason -- like most on the internet.
Quote from: me on October 02, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
Haven't seen him verify the supposed racist remarks HH or I have made but he sure puts it out like we make them all the time. Now I have seen him twist things we've said and lie about it though.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
I truly think she has absolutely no clue about a verified reference source or how to go about simply verifying a fact.
No, I'll go one better -- still has no clue about the difference between fact and opinion, even though it has been explained to her several times.
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 02, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
I truly think she has absolutely no clue about a verified reference source or how to go about simply verifying a fact.
No, I'll go one better -- still has no clue about the difference between fact and opinion, even though it has been explained to her several times.
Hey old man Wolf, you really know how the hurt the old gal. Oh, that all right, she wouldn't know what you're talking about. :hang: :groan:
Quote from: The Troll on October 02, 2012, 04:17:51 PM
Hey old man Wolf, you really know how the hurt the old gal. Oh, that all right, she wouldn't know what you're talking about. :hang: :groan:
I'm gonna have to start putting your lies in here Troll and there are quite a few.
Quote from: me on October 03, 2012, 09:16:31 AM
I'm gonna have to start putting your lies in here Troll and there are quite a few.
Well Twinkle Toes, put your ballerina slippers on :choo: :choo: and start jumping for them lies. :haha: I would love to see what you think what a lie is. I could drive one of those big, big pit trucks right through the lies you tell. If you couldn't tell lies you wouldn't have anything to talk about. Have at it Barkley, bark, bark, bark. :kiss: :choo:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2012, 04:04:36 PM
All I am doing is passing on an opinion piece that I thought would fit into this thread very well..........not saying anything one way or the other. It is what it is, imo. I think that debate told Americans quite a bit.
C'mon', Hank, who do you think you're foolin'? You put that out there because you didn't believe it? Why lie? Doing so is a violation of a basic tenet of your professed religion don't'cha' know. :wink:
;)
I'm glad you agree with me. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 16, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
and just so I got this straight, Obama wants to raise taxes, which according to the CBO says will drive our economy BACK into a recession. Gutting $716 billion in Medicare to fund ObamaCare over the next decade, he WANTS higher Gas prices, so he has NO intentions of helping out Americans there...
^^ Unbelievable, isn't it?
it really is.. :yes:
Well, well, well. Looks like it found its way here. :angel:
Quote from: me on October 27, 2012, 01:20:22 AM
Community organizing is a qualification for becoming president? Hell he wasn't even in congress long enough to do anything. He was absent most of the time or voting present. . . .
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.7020 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.7020)
Yet another outright lie. :rolleyes:
From the same topic
Quote from: me on October 27, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
He was absent most of those years he was in congress was what I meant by not there long enough and he voted present to the issues when he was there most of the time so he didn't have to make a decision.
Big deal on the Harvard Law Review. He was chosen by classmates not professors it is independent of the school.
He said he taught but do you remember anyone saying they were in any of his classes?
. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 01:09:38 PM
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.7020 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.7020)
Yet another outright lie. :rolleyes:
If you took all the lies from "ME" and Henry their post would look like this. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sm39: :sm39: :sm39: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :lurker: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :spot: :spot:
:hellur: :hellur:
Henry "ME"
Quote from: Palehorse on November 02, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/74720_2544331704673_1612220537_n.jpg)
Placed here by the poster.
(Deemed a lie because 42 of the 43 killed in attacks on embassies under George Bush's reign were not American Citizens).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 30, 2012, 03:19:04 PM
Ex, as it has been pointed out to you so many times....this collapes was brought on by the democrats and THEIR laws upon Fannie & Freddie.....
Obama telling you guys that he increased spending less than any administration in the past 60 years is nothing more than classic Saul Alinsky, make the lies so big, so bald-faced, nobody would doubt them because nobody would tell such whoppers themselves.....
Here are two more.
Quote from: Y on November 06, 2012, 10:28:32 AM
Here are two more. Ex, as it has been pointed out to you so many times....this collapes was brought on by the democrats and THEIR laws upon Fannie & Freddie.....
You'd better think on that one again.
Quote from: me on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AM
You'd better think on that one again.
You should take your own advice since you don't appear to know any better. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 06, 2012, 07:56:31 AM
. . .
Whatever. At least I can admit I was wrong when I am, without a whole line of bullshit like you did. . . .
Lie and Bullshite.
You rarely admit being wrong despite it being proven on an almost
daily basis!
Quote from: Palehorse on November 06, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
Lie and Bullshite.
You rarely admit being wrong despite it being proven on an almost daily basis!
Just because you post something that subsides YOUR side of an arguement does NOT mean you are right and others are wrong.
subside |səbˈsīd|
verb [ no obj. ]
1 become less intense, violent, or severe:
I support my perspectives.
;)
Quote from: me on November 07, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
Only because of the electoral college he didn't get the popular vote.
Wow! When did she say that???
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2012, 11:00:07 AM
Wow! When did she say that???
Last night/ early this morning in a reply to one of my posts.
I had thoughts of being magnanimous and gracious in my posts this morning, but when I saw ....
"Only because of the electoral college he didn't get the popular vote."
I decided otherwise. :icon_twisted:
What an idjit!
I say ... I say that girl's about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.
Quote from: Olias on November 07, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
I had thoughts of being magnanimous and gracious in my posts this morning, but when I saw ....
"Only because of the electoral college he didn't get the popular vote."
I decided otherwise. :icon_twisted:
What an idjit!
I say ... I say that girl's about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.
It has become abundantly clear that the reason her "business" failed was not for any reason but her own stupidity (and, believe me, I RARELY use that term).
Just goes to further prove that whatever she says has absolutely no validity whatsoever.
Reckless statements of "fact" without basis -- the reason I questioned her credibility and relevance in her posts some time back.
LOL! Quit holding back, FTW; tell us how you really feel. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Olias on November 07, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
I had thoughts of being magnanimous and gracious in my posts this morning, but when I saw ....
"Only because of the electoral college he didn't get the popular vote."
I decided otherwise. :icon_twisted:
What an idjit!
I say ... I say that girl's about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.
Well smart ass it was correct when I posted that so stick it up your ass.
Quote from: me on November 07, 2012, 06:59:25 PM
Well smart ass it was correct when I posted that so stick it up your ass.
Had you been watching something other than Fux News, you would have seen that Romney winning the overall popular vote wasn't possible given the outstanding counties in battleground states at the time you made that post. It's why we constantly say around here, over and over, time and again, that Fux News does nothing but tell people what they want to hear. They have no interest in the truth.
Fux News is really dangerous to the country.
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
Fux News is really dangerous to the country.
As are the people who watch it.
Well, I have nothing more to add to the discussion here. You guys seemed to cover things quite nicely! :yes:
Quote from: me on November 07, 2012, 06:59:25 PM
Well smart ass it was correct when I posted that so stick it up your ass.
What a dumbass!
Let's look carefully at what you wrote.
"Only because of the electoral college
he didn't get the popular vote."
Were you assuming the election was over at that point? Or maybe you were too busy bowing to the idiots on Fox who refused to call it on Ohio after everyone else was broadcasting the truth?
Quote from: me on November 07, 2012, 06:59:25 PM
Well smart ass it was correct when I posted that so stick it up your ass.
Well, well. I just looked it up. You posted that
LIE at 1:03:42 AM.
Here is a video of the idiots at Fox just falling apart over calling Ohio for Obama. This happened around 11:30 PM. An hour and a half before your lie.
Notice the popular vote tally on the screen. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
http://www.examiner.com/video/fox-news-meltdown-over-obama-re-election (http://www.examiner.com/video/fox-news-meltdown-over-obama-re-election)
And that is why she posts what bullshit she does.
She believes all of what Faux News tells her, and then only gets about 30% of that correctly.
I repeat -- what she says is irrelevant.
Quote from: Olias on November 08, 2012, 08:50:30 AM
Or maybe you were too busy bowing to the idiots on Fox who refused to call it on Ohio after everyone else was broadcasting the truth?
That was amazing, was it not? Ole' Turd Blossom tried his best to say that everyone else was wrong besides him. :rotfl: Megan Kelly even went to the war room to try and figure out WTF was going on, and their own people told them they were 99.95% confident Ohio was going for Obama.
This brings up a good point, and I hope it's one HH and 'me' take to heart. Fox News is the absolute worst place to get anything resembling reality. As has been pointed out before, if they don't like the real news, they'll just spin it into something that they know is more along the lines of what their viewers want to hear.
In the days leading to the election,
every poll, save Rasmussen, showed Obama with a lead in key swing states. The accuracy of those polls came to light on election night as the results came in. However, Fox didn't like the pre-election polling, so all of a sudden, they start reporting that the polls are biased. Democrats are being oversampled; they're basing polling on 2008 numbers; yada yada! All the polls, save theirs, were wrong.
When Fox called Ohio for Obama, thus sealing his reelection, Karl Rove went bananas. How could this be? How could this be? It's almost like they listen to their own BS so much, that it has to be true, even though they're the only ones saying it.
That, added to the fact that about half of this country listens to that crap, and believes it to be true, it really becomes a recipe for disaster. If Fox really wanted to elect Romney, which they did, wouldn't it have been far better for them to just tell the truth about the polling, rather than to lie to their viewers (including HH), thus making them feel good about what was going to happen election night? HH even predicted a Romney landslide somewhere around here based in large measure on that very programming.
Isn't that dangerous for the country? It's fitting that this post about Fox is being made on the TUZ flat out lie tracker thread, because that's exactly what comes out of the majority of Fox's programming. Lies.
If Fox would have told their viewers the truth, then they would have had a chance to get into action and do something about it. They could have volunteered, manned the phones, participated in "Get Out the Vote!" efforts. The viewers didn't do that though. They sat around, and believed Fox News, and we got the result that every other polling organization was predicting. Half the nation awakened Wednesday morning absolutely stupefied because Obama had been reelected. But those of us who don't get a heaping helping of Fox's propaganda weren't surprised at all. We expected it. The polls showed it. Obama has four more years.
Fox News is dangerous; people who watch Fox News are dangerous.
Sorry for the diatribe, but my last comment about this will just be my very own quote from my signature line:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda. -- Locutus
Bravo!
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2012, 12:19:55 PM
That was amazing, was it not? Ole' Turd Blossom tried his best to say that everyone else was wrong besides him. :rotfl: Megan Kelly even went to the war room to try and figure out WTF was going on, and their own people told them they were 99.95% confident Ohio was going for Obama.
This brings up a good point, and I hope it's one HH and 'me' take to heart. Fox News is the absolute worst place to get anything resembling reality. As has been pointed out before, if they don't like the real news, they'll just spin it into something that they know is more along the lines of what their viewers want to hear.
In the days leading to the election, every poll, save Rasmussen, showed Obama with a lead in key swing states. The accuracy of those polls came to light on election night as the results came in. However, Fox didn't like the pre-election polling, so all of a sudden, they start reporting that the polls are biased. Democrats are being oversampled; they're basing polling on 2008 numbers; yada yada! All the polls, save theirs, were wrong.
When Fox called Ohio for Obama, thus sealing his reelection, Karl Rove went bananas. How could this be? How could this be? It's almost like they listen to their own BS so much, that it has to be true, even though they're the only ones saying it.
That, added to the fact that about half of this country listens to that crap, and believes it to be true, it really becomes a recipe for disaster. If Fox really wanted to elect Romney, which they did, wouldn't it have been far better for them to just tell the truth about the polling, rather than to lie to their viewers (including HH), thus making them feel good about what was going to happen election night? HH even predicted a Romney landslide somewhere around here based in large measure on that very programming.
Isn't that dangerous for the country? It's fitting that this post about Fox is being made on the TUZ flat out lie tracker thread, because that's exactly what comes out of the majority of Fox's programming. Lies.
If Fox would have told their viewers the truth, then they would have had a chance to get into action and do something about it. They could have volunteered, manned the phones, participated in "Get Out the Vote!" efforts. The viewers didn't do that though. They sat around, and believed Fox News, and we got the result that every other polling organization was predicting. Half the nation awakened Wednesday morning absolutely stupefied because Obama had been reelected. But those of us who don't get a heaping helping of Fox's propaganda weren't surprised at all. We expected it. The polls showed it. Obama has four more years.
Fox News is dangerous; people who watch Fox News are dangerous.
Sorry for the diatribe, but my last comment about this will just be my very own quote from my signature line:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda. -- Locutus
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Olias on November 08, 2012, 12:48:53 PM
Bravo!
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2012, 01:08:40 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thanks guys. Sometimes I have to get it off my chest and put it out there. My sister says I should consider blogging, but I really don't have the time for that crap given everything else I have to do. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2012, 12:19:55 PM
That was amazing, was it not? Ole' Turd Blossom tried his best to say that everyone else was wrong besides him. :rotfl: Megan Kelly even went to the war room to try and figure out WTF was going on, and their own people told them they were 99.95% confident Ohio was going for Obama.
This brings up a good point, and I hope it's one HH and 'me' take to heart. Fox News is the absolute worst place to get anything resembling reality. As has been pointed out before, if they don't like the real news, they'll just spin it into something that they know is more along the lines of what their viewers want to hear.
In the days leading to the election, every poll, save Rasmussen, showed Obama with a lead in key swing states. The accuracy of those polls came to light on election night as the results came in. However, Fox didn't like the pre-election polling, so all of a sudden, they start reporting that the polls are biased. Democrats are being oversampled; they're basing polling on 2008 numbers; yada yada! All the polls, save theirs, were wrong.
When Fox called Ohio for Obama, thus sealing his reelection, Karl Rove went bananas. How could this be? How could this be? It's almost like they listen to their own BS so much, that it has to be true, even though they're the only ones saying it.
That, added to the fact that about half of this country listens to that crap, and believes it to be true, it really becomes a recipe for disaster. If Fox really wanted to elect Obama, which they did, wouldn't it have been far better for them to just tell the truth about the polling, rather than to lie to their viewers (including HH), thus making them feel good about what was going to happen election night? HH even predicted a Romney landslide somewhere around here based in large measure on that very programming.
Isn't that dangerous for the country? It's fitting that this post about Fox is being made on the TUZ flat out lie tracker thread, because that's exactly what comes out of the majority of Fox's programming. Lies.
If Fox would have told their viewers the truth, then they would have had a chance to get into action and do something about it. They could have volunteered, manned the phones, participated in "Get Out the Vote!" efforts. The viewers didn't do that though. They sat around, and believed Fox News, and we got the result that every other polling organization was predicting. Half the nation awakened Wednesday morning absolutely stupefied because Obama had been reelected. But those of us who don't get a heaping helping of Fox's propaganda weren't surprised at all. We expected it. The polls showed it. Obama has four more years.
Fox News is dangerous; people who watch Fox News are dangerous.
Sorry for the diatribe, but my last comment about this will just be my very own quote from my signature line:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda. -- Locutus
Locutus,
This is directed solely at you. I take these words to heart, and I appreciate them. But, I must say, I honestly do not watch foxnews anymore than I do MSNBC. Now, don't get me wrong, I like some folks at fox, and I am NOT a fan of many people on MSNBC, but I watch them for the same reasons I come here. The saying keep my friends close and my enemies closer has always seemed to be a way of understanding.
I 100% agree that Fox and company, got it wrong. Dick Morris in particular was cocksure it would be a landslide victory for Romney. He even had a somewhat logical approach to his madness.
Not that he will ever read it, but I fired off an email to him stating that I was forever through with him. He blew it and I for one will no longer engage in anything he has to say.
There are folks like Hannity who was cautiously optimistic, but feared exactly what did happen. He was the one saying not to take any poll serious, but get out and vote. That was also my approach. Polls were all over the place, some, now that it is over can claim victory, but the only poll that ever matters is the one that we cast on election day.
As far as listening to any news on TV, I don't think ANY of them are trustworthy, the all are driven by some political ideology. I take about half of what is out there as the truth.
Yes, I post stuff on here, more times than not, for the conversation that will be driven from it.
To address the ignorant being dangerous to our republic, PLEASE don't make the claim that it is only by the RW followers, or you will lose me, and show to a degree of your own ignorance. I know for a fact, that the ignorant is blind to the truth and there are many, many on the left that fit that to a tee...who fall for the propaganda that is spewed by both sides.
I still stand strong on the basic principals of conservatism. I have over the recent years left my Christian values at home and away from politics. Though I am 100% against abortion, I am to the conclusion as long as federal dollars never assists in the aiding of it, I think it is up to the state to decide. Gay marriage is at the bottom of my worries on the political totem poll. I can honestly care less what anybody else does, as long it does not affect my family. Again, I say leave it to the State to decide.
While I am on a rambling session, I think Mitt Romney is not the evil, lying, tax-cheating, woman-hating person the left spun him to be. No more than Obama is a muslim, socialist, white-man hating person.
I think Obama has the opportunity to be great, despite which side of the issues I believe. It is up to him, to lead us and congress, to make this a better place to live. I do not seem him accomplishing this, but as I have said before on here, I want what is best for my family and Country.
Okay, sorry for the extended ramble....just got on a roll there.
HH
Good post, Hank. I don't agree with everything you wrote, but still a good post.
I agree with Olias. Good post HH.
BTW, that doesn't mean I don't stand by my comments about Fox News and those that consume their lies on a routine basis. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2012, 07:36:55 PM
Had you been watching something other than Fux News, you would have seen that Romney winning the overall popular vote wasn't possible given the outstanding counties in battleground states at the time you made that post. It's why we constantly say around here, over and over, time and again, that Fux News does nothing but tell people what they want to hear. They have no interest in the truth.
I'd say it had more to do with the time frame 'cause I wasn't watching Fox News. :razz:
Quote from: me on November 08, 2012, 03:14:13 PM
I'd say it had more to do with the time frame 'cause I wasn't watching Fox News. :razz:
Really? Then from which news source did you get this bullshit?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
Really? Then from which news source did you get this bullshit?
An online site which could have been behind.
Quote from: me on November 08, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
An online site which could have been behind.
Really? You had better get a different on lin e source then because they suck. Every source I was using had it called for Obama by that time.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2012, 12:04:32 AM
Really? You had better get a different on lin e source then because they suck. Every source I was using had it called for Obama by that time.
Don't remember what site it was but the had Obama ahead with the electoral votes but quite a ways behind on the popular vote. It was enough I knew he'd already won so I didn't even check the time frame.
Quote from: me on November 09, 2012, 12:29:32 AM
Don't remember what site it was but the had Obama ahead with the electoral votes but quite a ways behind on the popular vote. It was enough I knew he'd already won so I didn't even check the time frame.
Yeah.
Right.
And, at the same time, my dog crapped cotton candy.
Is anyone surprised about this? Yet another lie.
Speaking about Bill O'Reilly
Quote from: me on November 29, 2012, 01:17:18 AM
He also doesn't name call and put the person down like Madcow and some of those other commentators.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.7230 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.7230)
Mike Conway set out to study the number of times Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly used name-calling and other propaganda techniques on his show. Mr. Conway released his report and then watched Mr. O'Reilly employ some of the same methods to ridicule the research — the TV host even counted how many times he called someone a name in his rebuttal. "It was a bit surreal," Mr. Conway told me.
According to Mr. Conway and his colleagues, Mr. O'Reilly called someone a name 2,209 times over 248.65 minutes, or 8.88 times per minute.
Quote from: Locutus on November 29, 2012, 10:56:09 AM
Puhleeeze! He called an atheist a fascist just last night. And as for not telling lies, he tossed one of those in for good measure as well. He said Christianity isn't a religion, it's a philosophy. :rolleyes:
Get your head out of the sand. Sometimes I think you toss this obvious bullshit out just to troll.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 09, 2012, 05:28:54 AM
Yeah.
Right.
And, at the same time, my dog crapped cotton candy.
:haha: :haha: :haha: That's really a good one. :thumbsup: :no1: comeback! :haha:
QuoteWe don't need healthcare reform! - (Paraphrased from the commentary of the numerous opponents to the HCRA)
Flat out lie. Which you will discover once you encounter a healthcare emergency similar to the one I encountered this year already.
I would LOVE to know WHO said we did NOT need Healthcare Reform........I KNOW it wasn't me or anybody I know.
Just because we or many of us didn't agree with the current one we have.........by NO means meant or implied we didn't need to do something....because it IS a mess, and it is only getting worse.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
I would LOVE to know WHO said we did NOT need Healthcare Reform........I KNOW it wasn't me or anybody I know.
Just because we or many of us didn't agree with the current one we have.........by NO means meant or implied we didn't need to do something....because it IS a mess, and it is only getting worse.
What's odd is I don't recall saying that either but, like you, I did disagree with Obama care because of exactly what's going on now since it is starting to take effect.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
I would LOVE to know WHO said we did NOT need Healthcare Reform........I KNOW it wasn't me or anybody I know.
Just because we or many of us didn't agree with the current one we have.........by NO means meant or implied we didn't need to do something....because it IS a mess, and it is only getting worse.
Quote from: me on January 25, 2013, 09:19:12 AM
What's odd is I don't recall saying that either but, like you, I did disagree with Obama care because of exactly what's going on now since it is starting to take effect.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18659.0
Quote from: Palehorse on January 25, 2013, 01:01:28 PM
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18659.0
Not going to play along today.......but I never said we didn't need reform with our hc system........NEVER.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2013, 01:21:56 PM
Not going to play along today.......but I never said we didn't need reform with our hc system........NEVER.
What part of the term "paraphrase" did you not understand?
Quote from: Palehorse on January 25, 2013, 01:23:06 PM
What part of the term "paraphrase" did you not understand?
You can paraphrase all you want.........."I" never ONCE said we do not need to do something about our HC system....(of course I too, am paraphrasing)
Yes, I am an opponent to PPACA....Not going to argue. But I never ONCE said we don't need to do something about HC. I'm sure there WAS probably a member that was here for about a week or two who said some stupid crap......I just want to go on record .... I didn't say it...and YES, we need to do something, but I think this one we got is NOT going to make things better for me and my family....or out country's economy.
But, time is going to tell.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
. . .
Yes, I am an opponent to PPACA....Not going to argue. But I never ONCE said we don't need to do something about HC. I'm sure there WAS probably a member that was here for about a week or two who said some stupid crap......I just want to go on record .... I didn't say it...and YES, we need to do something, but I think this one we got is NOT going to make things better for me and my family....or out country's economy.
But, time is going to tell.
You opposed the HCRA so you must have believed everything was just fine and dandy with what we had back in 2009. In fact you even said as much. . .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Okay... :wink:
QuoteQuote from: Henry Hawk on August 18, 2009, 04:24:57 PM
. . .
I know our current system is FAR from perfect.....but it IS better than other countries....the POOR get FREE healthcare now.....the VAST majority of the working class already has employer provided insurance...
Right here is where you infer, for the second time in this topic alone, that our healthcare system is far better than that of other countries. In reality it has been shown that this is far from the truth. Especially when one considers the quality of life of the majority of citizens in those "other countries".
And here's another:
QuoteQuote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
the vast majority of Americans already have affordable health care......
Were you lying then or now, or perhaps both?
You should be carefull using that word - Liar. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 28, 2013, 08:19:27 AM
You should be carefull using that word - Liar. ;)
I'm as careful as the liars are. :smile:
You people sure are not big on current events. With your dear leader taking us over the cliff, you want to avoid current events.
Quote from: RC on January 30, 2013, 01:56:39 PM
You people sure are not big on current events. With your dear leader taking us over the cliff, you want to avoid current events.
I figured you'd end up in here but not by your own hand: ladies and gents, I give you exhibit "A".
Quote from: Palehorse on January 30, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
I figured you'd end up in here but not by your own hand: ladies and gents, I give you exhibit "A".
LMAO! Uh, he isn't going to get that.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 30, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
I figured you'd end up in here but not by your own hand: ladies and gents, I give you exhibit "A".
I wouldn't jump on that quite so quickly if I were you.
Quote from: RC on January 30, 2013, 01:56:39 PM
You people sure are not big on current events. With your dear leader taking us over the cliff, you want to avoid current events.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 30, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
LMAO! Uh, he isn't going to get that.
And surprise; he is not alone!
Quote from: me on January 30, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
I wouldn't jump on that quite so quickly if I were you.
So who invited you to put your horn in here?
:pigdance:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 30, 2013, 11:13:09 PM
And surprise; he is not alone!
So who invited you to put your horn in here?
:pigdance:
I did. You guy's really do better in a chorus line than alone with that dancing.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 07:15:39 PM
Wouldn't holding off on things like this be a better way to cut costs?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/aidtosyria_zpsc20b2cc5.jpg)
. . .
And another in a serious of Flat Out Lies being propagated within the confines of this very forum. :rolleyes:
So you're saying he isn't sending money to the Syrian rebels in spite of the proof I posted. Figures. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 06:29:45 PM
So you're saying he isn't sending money to the Syrian rebels in spite of the proof I posted. Figures. :rolleyes:
He isn't, the United States of America is. (He doesn't have that kind of power). But that isn't the part I am specifically saying is a Flat Out Lie and you already know it.
Again, explain to us how the
POTUS released 10k illegal immigrants? (He didn't and doesn't have that kind of power, but don't let that stop you from piling more lies on top of things) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And she drops her drawers and strikes yet again ....
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
Oh, and the Easter egg hunt at the WH has been canceled too. How sweet. Get to the parents through the kids. What a guy.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18690.285 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18690.285)
'Nuff said.
Quote from: Olias on March 28, 2013, 09:16:38 AM
And she drops her drawers and strikes yet again ....
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18690.285 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18690.285)
'Nuff said.
:biggrin:
When ya'll learn the difference between a misstatement and a lie let me know....Oh, I forgot it's a misstatement if a Liberal does it and a lie if it's a conservative. Never mind. :rolleyes:
OMG!!!! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
He isn't, the United States of America is. (He doesn't have that kind of power).
He APPROVED IT, In Jan. of this year, $155 MILLION of ADDITIONAL AID...to Syria. He DOES have POWER to SEND or NOT SEND, ADDITIONAL AID to other countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R13nIfQ_XAQ#!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 28, 2013, 04:27:14 PM
He APPROVED IT, In Jan. of this year, $155 MILLION of ADDITIONAL AID...to Syria. He DOES have POWER to SEND or NOT SEND, ADDITIONAL AID to other countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R13nIfQ_XAQ#!
Well. At least you put your comment in the lie tracker up front.
Just what exactly is wrong with this that you think it belongs here? You heard this in his own words....he approved it and that's what HH said. He obviously does have the power to approve or not approve those kinds of things.
Quote from: me on March 28, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
Just what exactly is wrong with this that you think it belongs here? You heard this in his own words....he approved it and that's what HH said. He obviously does have the power to approve or not approve those kinds of things.
Uh, he can't do that on his own. #ignoranceabouthowthegovernmentworks
Quote from: Exterminator on March 28, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
Uh, he can't do that on his own. #ignoranceabouthowthegovernmentworks
Where did HH say he did it on his own? He stated what happened period. Obama approved it.
Ignorance abounds.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 28, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
Ignorance abounds.
I'm sure you'll wise up sooner or later though.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 28, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
Uh, he can't do that on his own. #ignoranceabouthowthegovernmentworks
No one said he did it on his own now did they? HH said "he approved" not he did it on his own. Learn to read.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 28, 2013, 04:27:14 PM
He APPROVED IT, In Jan. of this year, $155 MILLION of ADDITIONAL AID...to Syria. He DOES have POWER to SEND or NOT SEND, ADDITIONAL AID to other countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R13nIfQ_XAQ#!
Quote from: me on March 28, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
No one said he did it on his own now did they? HH said "he approved" not he did it on his own. Learn to read.
Your original quote inferred that
very thing. (To which I replied with the following):
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
He isn't, the United States of America is. (He doesn't have that kind of power). But that isn't the part I am specifically saying is a Flat Out Lie and you already know it.
Again, explain to us how the POTUS released 10k illegal immigrants? (He didn't and doesn't have that kind of power, but don't let that stop you from piling more lies on top of things) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And which you never answered because you cannot! Why? Because it is a lie. :yes:
Ya'll seem to think Bush had all that power when you were bashing him. What's the difference? I know he's white.......Damn ya'll are so beyond transparent. Just keep on twistin' shit and puttin' yer spin on it though 'cause it keeps ya in the dark so ya don't have to put up with people like you when you try to open their eyes.
Quote from: me on March 28, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
Ya'll seem to think Bush had all that power when you were bashing him. What's the difference? I know he's white.......Damn ya'll are so beyond transparent. Just keep on twistin' shit and puttin' yer spin on it though 'cause it keeps ya in the dark so ya don't have to put up with people like you when you try to open their eyes.
Non-responsive -
Again. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
. . .
explain to us how the POTUS released 10k illegal immigrants? (He didn't and doesn't have that kind of power, but don't let that stop you from piling more lies on top of things) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
He did not literally release them but you can bet your sweet ass he was behind it. He's in on, or supposed to be in on, everything that goes on so he played a part in it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 28, 2013, 04:27:14 PM
He APPROVED IT, In Jan. of this year, $155 MILLION of ADDITIONAL AID...to Syria. He DOES have POWER to SEND or NOT SEND, ADDITIONAL AID to other countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R13nIfQ_XAQ#!
HE DOES INDEED HAVE THAT KIND OF POWER.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2013, 09:31:10 AM
HE DOES INDEED HAVE THAT KIND OF POWER.
Saying he does NOT, perhaps can be construed as a lie
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2013, 09:31:10 AM
HE DOES INDEED HAVE THAT KIND OF POWER.
http://www.sounddogs.com/sound-effects/2223/mp3/441993_SOUNDDOGS__wh.mp3 (http://www.sounddogs.com/sound-effects/2223/mp3/441993_SOUNDDOGS__wh.mp3)
http://www.youtube.com/v/oUxyg_DFMfM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2013, 09:31:10 AM
HE DOES INDEED HAVE THAT KIND OF POWER.
Only Bush had that kind of power I mean really HH haven't you learned anything from these learned folks? :biggrin:
Quote from: me on March 29, 2013, 03:39:05 PM
Only Bush had that kind of power I mean really HH haven't you learned anything from these learned folks? :biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/v/oUxyg_DFMfM
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
This story has had very little to no coverage on the lame stream media...
Flat out lie...a quick search shows 34 stories on CNN, 247 stories or mentions on ABC news and 94 on NBC.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 26, 2013, 02:22:48 PM
Flat out lie...a quick search shows 34 stories on CNN, 247 stories or mentions on ABC news and 94 on NBC.
Mentions.
men·tion (mnshn)
tr.v. men·tioned, men·tion·ing, men·tions
To refer to, especially incidentally. See Synonyms at refer.
n.
1.
a.
The act of referring to something briefly or casually.b.
An incidental reference or allusion.2.
Honorable mention.Now go back and see what I said. Little or no coverags.....MENTIONS.
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 04:20:50 PM
Mentions.
men·tion (mnshn)
tr.v. men·tioned, men·tion·ing, men·tions
To refer to, especially incidentally. See Synonyms at refer.
n.
1.
a. The act of referring to something briefly or casually.
b. An incidental reference or allusion.
2. Honorable mention.
Now go back and see what I said. Little or no coverags.....MENTIONS.
Yet your original post was from a story on ABC! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on April 26, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
Yet your original post was from a story on ABC! :rolleyes:
Only because I didn't want to post it from Fox or you would have then called a lie. I said VERY LITTLE OR NONE not none period. Sheesh learn to read. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
Only because I didn't want to post it from Fox or you would have then called a lie. I said VERY LITTLE OR NONE not none period. Sheesh learn to read. :rolleyes:
Learn to read yourself ....
From the Huff Post (Quite a long article, not just a mention ...)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-michelman/kermit-gosnell-abortion_b_2924348.html?utm_hp_ref=kermit-gosnell (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-michelman/kermit-gosnell-abortion_b_2924348.html?utm_hp_ref=kermit-gosnell)
Another one ...
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0424/Kermit-Gosnell-defense-rests-without-calling-any-witnesses-video (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0424/Kermit-Gosnell-defense-rests-without-calling-any-witnesses-video)
Another one ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k (http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k)
Another one ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k (http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k)
Another one ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57581221-504083/kermit-gosnell-murder-trial-update-pa-judge-corrects-charges-tossed-out-in-abortion-case/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57581221-504083/kermit-gosnell-murder-trial-update-pa-judge-corrects-charges-tossed-out-in-abortion-case/)
And all that took was one Google search which yielded About 1,700,000 results (0.23 seconds) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on April 26, 2013, 04:41:44 PM
Learn to read yourself ....
From the Huff Post (Quite a long article, not just a mention ...)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-michelman/kermit-gosnell-abortion_b_2924348.html?utm_hp_ref=kermit-gosnell (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-michelman/kermit-gosnell-abortion_b_2924348.html?utm_hp_ref=kermit-gosnell)
Another one ...
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0424/Kermit-Gosnell-defense-rests-without-calling-any-witnesses-video (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0424/Kermit-Gosnell-defense-rests-without-calling-any-witnesses-video)
Another one ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k (http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k)
Another one ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k (http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k)
Another one ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57581221-504083/kermit-gosnell-murder-trial-update-pa-judge-corrects-charges-tossed-out-in-abortion-case/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57581221-504083/kermit-gosnell-murder-trial-update-pa-judge-corrects-charges-tossed-out-in-abortion-case/)
And all that took was one Google search which yielded About 1,700,000 results (0.23 seconds) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I don't see NBC in there and CBS is local which would get coverage. The Huff post and CSM aren't TV news and of course CSM is going to report on it. You have shown nothing to help your case here.
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
I don't see NBC in there and CBS is local which would get coverage. The Huff post and CSM aren't TV news and of course CSM is going to report on it. You have shown nothing to help your case here.
I really didn't have the time to post all 1,700,000 results. What a doofus!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
I don't see NBC in there and CBS is local which would get coverage. The Huff post and CSM aren't TV news and of course CSM is going to report on it. You have shown nothing to help your case here.
Here's NBC ....
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51655487/ns/us_news/#.UXrpDkpy02k (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51655487/ns/us_news/#.UXrpDkpy02k)
And since when is CBS Local?
And you are not allowed any more restrictions - e.g. "TV news"
Your original complaint didn't restrict the type of media.
Either you are hopelessly ignorant or you are just a pathological liar. Take your pick. Each is equally pathetic.
Quote from: Olias on April 26, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
Here's NBC ....
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51655487/ns/us_news/#.UXrpDkpy02k (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51655487/ns/us_news/#.UXrpDkpy02k)
And since when is CBS Local?
And you are not allowed any more restrictions - e.g. "TV news"
Your original complaint didn't restrict the type of media.
Either you are hopelessly ignorant or you are just a pathological liar. Take your pick. Each is equally pathetic.
Local affiliates which is different than national news and that looks more like a local story than a national one. Also I was referring to coverage other than one day one time coverage. This is NBC.com [Here's NBC ....
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51655487/ns/us_news/#.UXrpDkpy02k not NBC TV news.] These are the same links not two different stories [Another one ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k
Another one ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXrlmkpy02k]
Restrictions ass, I was talking about news coverage on TV you're not changing the game on me to prove your point. That is a typical liberal thing to do though, if the game isn't going your way change the rules. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 05:11:48 PM
Local affiliates which is different than national news and that looks more like a local story than a national one. Also I was referring to coverage other than one day one time coverage.
YET MORE AFTER-THE FACT RESTRICTIONS TO COVER YOUR ORIGINAL LIE!
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 05:11:48 PM
Restrictions ass, I was talking about news coverage on TV you're not changing the game on me to prove your point. That is a typical liberal thing to do though, if the game isn't going your way change the rules. :rolleyes:
AMAZING! To cover her first lie, she tells YET ANOTHER LIE!
Never ONCE, NOT ONCE did you ever mention "news coverage on TV" in a single place in the entire thread.
I think you are both - hopelessly ignorant AND a pathological liar.
Quote from: Olias on April 26, 2013, 05:21:08 PM
YET MORE AFTER-THE FACT RESTRICTIONS TO COVER YOUR ORIGINAL LIE!
AMAZING! To cover her first lie, she tells YET ANOTHER LIE! Never ONCE, NOT ONCE did you ever mention "news coverage on TV" in a single place in the entire thread.
I think you are both - hopelessly ignorant AND a pathological liar.
I do believe I used a TV coverage link when I originally posted this topic and that is what I was talking about. If I had meant blog, newspapers, or magazines I would have posted using an article from one of those. Nice try but you're still not gonna turn this around.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :cube: :pigfly:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 26, 2013, 06:46:07 PM
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :cube: :pigfly:
Ain't me diggin' the hole. Olias is trying his best to turn this around and it ain't gonna happen. That old spin and twist is really gettin' old.
Now she's lying about lying! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 29, 2013, 10:07:10 AM
Now she's lying about lying! :rolleyes:
Show me where I said anything about anything but the lamestream media. Olias chose to ad other sources all by himself. It never ceases to amaze me the way ya'll twist things to make them come out the way you want. It just doesn't work that way.
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 10:22:07 AM
Show me where I said anything about anything but the lamestream media. Olias chose to ad other sources all by himself. It never ceases to amaze me the way ya'll twist things to make them come out the way you want. It just doesn't work that way.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 29, 2013, 12:09:50 PM
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
That doesn't show shit. I said show me where I mentioned news papers or magazines. Olias took it upon himself to include that.
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
That doesn't show shit. I said show me where I mentioned news papers or magazines. Olias took it upon himself to include that.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
That doesn't show shit. I said show me where I mentioned news papers or magazines. Olias took it upon himself to include that.
Oh ... so now you dolts don't want to include newspapers or magazines in your "lame stream media" definition?
You keep diggin' that hole and you're gonna run out of dirt.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Quote from: Olias on April 29, 2013, 12:30:59 PM
Oh ... so now you dolts don't want to include newspapers or magazines in your "lame stream media" definition?
You keep diggin' that hole and you're gonna run out of dirt.
More people watch the news than read about it. I was referring to only media coverage for a reason but you wouldn't understand that obviously. Just stay in your protected little world and don't see what's going on who gives a rats ass. Above all don't question anything that may burst your little bubble.
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 12:41:39 PM
More people watch the news than read about it. I was referring to only media coverage for a reason but you wouldn't understand that obviously. Just stay in your protected little world and don't see what's going on who gives a rats ass. Above all don't question anything that may burst your little bubble.
Damn! She's totally outta dirt now!
me·di·a
noun
1.
a plural of medium.
2.
( usually used with a plural verb ) the means of communication, as radio and television,
newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely: The media are covering the speech tonight.
Even if we're only talking about television coverage, her original assertion is still an outright lie.
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive.
:icon_twisted:
Quote from: Olias on April 29, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Damn! She's totally outta dirt now!
me·di·a
noun
1.
a plural of medium.
2.
( usually used with a plural verb ) the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely: The media are covering the speech tonight.
I stated lamestream media and you all know what that means. Nice try though.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 29, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive.
:icon_twisted:
Or try to twist to make the outcome suit you.
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
I stated lamestream media and you all know what that means. Nice try though.
Only two places you ever hear the words "lamestream media" in on Fox News and Rush Lumbshit. :doh: "ME"s brain is like a sponge for bull shit. :yes: :choo: :choo:
:zoners:
Quote from: Olias on April 29, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Damn! She's totally outta dirt now!
me·di·a
noun
1.
a plural of medium.
2.
( usually used with a plural verb ) the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely: The media are covering the speech tonight.
She has hit rock. Look out, the dynamite is next. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on April 30, 2013, 12:40:35 PM
She has hit rock. Look out, the dynamite is next. . .
I specified what I meant which did not include newspapers, which didn't necessarily run it as front page news, or magazines which come out either semi monthly or monthly. TV news is watched by more people and is on daily.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
I specified what I meant which did not include newspapers, which didn't necessarily run it as front page news, or magazines which come out either semi monthly or monthly.
You only added that restriction after you were caught in your lie.
Quote from: Olias on April 30, 2013, 01:16:51 PM
You only added that restriction after you were caught in your lie.
No, I did not. I used an ABC TV article and asked if anyone else was following this and until you tried to use the other nothing was mentioned about those sources.
. . .still spinning. . .
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
I have a question. The president was right out there when he wanted to speak on Travon's behalf and got things stirred up as was Jackson and Sharpton. Where are they now that there are riots and whites getting beaten in retaliation for the verdict? Why haven't they gotten on TV and tried to calm things down? Just think it could be you who gets dragged into a car or waylaid when out shopping and they wouldn't stop to ask if you were against the verdict they would just beat you because you're white.
Yet another one from the Trayvon Martin thread! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 12:21:49 AM
Yet another one from the Trayvon Martin thread! :rolleyes:
How can a question be a lie?
Quote from: me on July 16, 2013, 12:31:35 AM
How can a question be a lie?
The lie is in bold. It's not the question even thought the question is implying a lie as well.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
I have a question. The president was right out there when he wanted to speak on Travon's behalf and got things stirred up as was Jackson and Sharpton. Where are they now that there are riots and whites getting beaten in retaliation for the verdict? Why haven't they gotten on TV and tried to calm things down? Just think it could be you who gets dragged into a car or waylaid when out shopping and they wouldn't stop to ask if you were against the verdict they would just beat you because you're white.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 12:34:03 AM
The lie is in bold. It's not the question even thought the question is implying a lie as well.
A riot is a riot and I posted the link to that and the jogger that was beaten.
First of all,
Why does everybody have to make things personal all the time.....I'm tired of it.
Second,
Palehorse DID lie in the Trayvon thread....I already proved that.
and third,
ME IS right, there has been some violent protests.....in LA and Oakland. I proved that too.
This thread sucks btw....imo.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 08:28:14 AM
First of all,
Why does everybody have to make things personal all the time.....I'm tired of it.
Second,
Palehorse DID lie in the Trayvon thread....I already proved that.
and third,
ME IS right, there has been some violent protests.....in LA and Oakland. I proved that too.
This thread sucks btw....imo.
They call us liars because they don't want to face the truth.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 08:28:14 AM
. . .
Second,
Palehorse DID lie in the Trayvon thread....I already proved that.
and third,
ME IS right, there has been some violent protests.....in LA and Oakland. I proved that too.
. . .
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More sour grapes from the lie-squad.
First of all, I don't like this thread, because I don't like calling people liars.....but the fact IS, YOU stated something that was inaccurate. IF, me or me, had done this there are folks who would have put it on this thread so fast your head would spin.
the dispatch NEVER said to stay in your car.........a rumor that is going on non-stop. BIG difference. Saying we don't NEED you to follow.
Would the word prevarication suit you better?
There are certainly a lot of prevarications on this thread. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
Would the word prevarication suit you better?
There are certainly a lot of prevarications on this thread. :yes:
Yeah! I like that one! Sound much better than LIAR. :yes:
I mean we ARE all supposed to be buddies on here, aren't we? :razz:
Semantics. . . Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 17, 2013, 11:13:54 AM
Semantics. . . Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
Hi buddy! :yes:
And here folks is the latest entry from one of the usual suspects. (And my post calling the liar out)
Quote from: me on October 02, 2013, 10:18:58 PM
That monument that was closed is adjacent to the side walk and people just walk up to it and there is no one in attendance there. It was just blocked off so people couldn't go up and read the names. You walk off the sidewalk and go past it and back on to the sidewalk. There was no reason to close it period.
LIE! This happened today at the very site you are talking about. There was a US Park Service Ranger there to turn people away, (and there was a crowd), and this republican conservative representative openly berates this woman and attempts to blame the US Park Service for the shutdown.
However, a 30 year vet of federal service, currently out of work thanks to ass hats like this rep., steps up to the plate and calls it as he, and 800,000 out of work federal workers see it; as well as millions of other US Citizens as well.
http://www.youtube.com/v/-123whqIRjY
At this link you will find the lie in total: http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.3105 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.3105)
What??????!!!!!!! There was a park ranger there today, yes, but normally there are none there. So where's the lie? Why are they paying someone to keep people out when there is normally no one there when it is open? Things would be normal if they hadn't closed it in the first place and there would be no problem.
Quote from: Palehorse on October 03, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
And here folks is the latest entry from one of the usual suspects. (And my post calling the liar out)
LIE! This happened today at the very site you are talking about. There was a US Park Service Ranger there to turn people away, (and there was a crowd), and this republican conservative representative openly berates this woman and attempts to blame the US Park Service for the shutdown.
However, a 30 year vet of federal service, currently out of work thanks to ass hats like this rep., steps up to the plate and calls it as he, and 800,000 out of work federal workers see it; as well as millions of other US Citizens as well.
http://www.youtube.com/v/-123whqIRjY
At this link you will find the lie in total: http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.3105 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.3105)
Bullshit (quickly) walks ;D
Quote from: me on October 03, 2013, 09:05:39 PM
What??????!!!!!!! There was a park ranger there today, yes, but normally there are none there. So where's the lie? Why are they paying someone to keep people out when there is normally no one there when it is open? Things would be normal if they hadn't closed it in the first place and there would be no problem.
Stop spinning. You'll get sicker than you already are.
It's a lie.
You said, . . .
"there is no one in attendance there." LIE.
Care to provide any proof surrounding the subsequent lie you've put out right here in the TUZ Flat Out Lie Tracker?
(. . .there is normally no one there when it is open. . .)And before you do, I'd strongly advise you to remember that we have at least a couple of members at this forum, who actually LIVE in the general area and likely have been there many times. (Perhaps even recently).
The facts are you've been placed into the trick bag by your own words, your propensity for parroting anything you hear, read, or see, as if it is factual; and finally, in the case here, by the very group/party you choose to carry a torch for despite the overwhelmingly clear fact that they could not care any less about anyone other than corporate Amerika and their burgeoning coffers.
You keep running that you're going to get a blister! :rotfl:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 03, 2013, 09:18:20 PM
Stop spinning. You'll get sicker than you already are.
It's a lie.
You said, . . ."there is no one in attendance there." LIE.
Care to provide any proof surrounding the subsequent lie you've put out right here in the TUZ Flat Out Lie Tracker? (. . .there is normally no one there when it is open. . .)
And before you do, I'd strongly advise you to remember that we have at least a couple of members at this forum, who actually LIVE in the general area and likely have been there many times. (Perhaps even recently).
The facts are you've been placed into the trick bag by your own words, your propensity for parroting anything you hear, read, or see, as if it is factual; and finally, in the case here, by the very group/party you choose to carry a torch for despite the overwhelmingly clear fact that they could not care any less about anyone other than corporate Amerika and their burgeoning coffers.
You keep running that you're going to get a blister! :rotfl:
There is seldom anyone there and they are
paid from PRIVATE FUNDS NOT GOVERNMENT FUNDS.
Quote from: me on October 03, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
There is seldom anyone there and they are paid from PRIVATE FUNDS NOT GOVERNMENT FUNDS.
You've repeatedly displayed ignorance surrounding how government employees are paid. Real or willful, it is what it is.
And then you exacerbate things by posting outright lies and then trying to validate them with even more lies.
Your "boy" got his ass handed to him by one of the 800,000 victims of his ignorance, and was caught red-handed demonstrating the type of thinking that is rampant within the tea-billy miscreant party. And in the process he facilitated you being handed your ass as well here.
And still you lie. :rolleyes:
For the record, the Lincoln Memorial is also administered by the NPS and it's also closed.
National Mall and Memorial Parks (also known as National Capital Parks-Central) is an administrative unit of the National Park Service encompassing many national memorials and other areas in Washington, D.C. These include:
African American Civil War Memorial
Constitution Gardens
East Potomac Park
Ford's Theatre National Historic Site
Franklin Delano Roosevelt Memorial
George Mason Memorial
Hains Point
John Ericsson National Memorial
Korean War Veterans Memorial
Lincoln Memorial
Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial
National Mall
National World War II Memorial
Pennsylvania Avenue National Historic Site
Old Post Office Tower
Thomas Jefferson Memorial
Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Washington Monument
West Potomac Park
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mall_and_Memorial_Parks
^^ ALL CLOSED
Quote from: Palehorse on October 03, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
You've repeatedly displayed ignorance surrounding how government employees are paid. Real or willful, it is what it is.
And then you exacerbate things by posting outright lies and then trying to validate them with even more lies.
Your "boy" got his ass handed to him by one of the 800,000 victims of his ignorance, and was caught red-handed demonstrating the type of thinking that is rampant within the tea-billy miscreant party. And in the process he facilitated you being handed your ass as well here.
And still you lie. :rolleyes:
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Introduction
The National World War II Memorial was funded almost entirely by private contributions, as specified in Public Law 103-32. The campaign received more than $197 million in cash and pledges. Support came from hundreds of thousands of individual Americans, hundreds of corporations and foundations, veterans groups, dozens of civic, fraternal and professional organizations, states and one territory, and students in 1,200 schools across the country.
Donated and pledged funds were used to cover the total project costs of approximately $182 million. These costs include site selection and design, construction and sculpture, a National Park Service maintenance fee required by the Commemorative Works Act, groundbreaking and dedication ceremonies, fund raising, and the 11-year administrative costs of the project from its inception in 1993 through completion in 2004.
Remaining funds are held on deposit with the U.S. Treasury in a National WWII Memorial Trust Fund. The funds will be used by the American Battle Monuments Commission solely to benefit the World War II Memorial.
http://www.wwiimemorial.com/default.asp?page=funding.asp&subpage=intro
Quote from: me on October 03, 2013, 09:16:31 PM
Don't trip.
Looks like you're doing enough tripping for both of us. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 23, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
From Dick Durbin's Facebook page: (https://www.facebook.com/dickdurbin/posts/10151913678099303)
"Many Republicans searching for something to say in defense of the disastrous shutdown strategy will say President Obama just doesn't try hard enough to communicate with Republicans. But in a 'negotiation' meeting with the president, one GOP House Leader told the president: 'I cannot even stand to look at you.'
What are the chances of an honest conversation with someone who has just said something so disrespectful?"
U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., on Capitol Hill in Washington, Jan. 30, 2013. UPI/Pete Marovich
WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said he "stands by" his claim a House Republican told President Obama "I cannot even stand to look at you" during budget talks.
Durbin -- the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate -- said on his Facebook page the Republican, who he did not name, made the disrespectful remark to Obama during negotiations with the White House during the federal budget standoff.
Asked about it during Wednesday's regular daily briefing with reporters, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "It did not happen."
Carney said he had discussed the claim with a "participant in the meeting," The Hill reported."Senator Durbin stands by his comments," Durbin spokesman Max Gleischman said.
"Many Republicans searching for something to say in defense of the disastrous shutdown strategy will say President Obama just doesn't try hard enough to communicate with Republicans," Durbin initially said on Facebook. "But in a 'negotiation' meeting with the president, one GOP House Leader told the president: 'I cannot even stand to look at you.'
"What are the chances of an honest conversation with someone who has just said something so disrespectful?" he said.
Republicans have denied a GOP lawmaker made such a remark.
Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement Durbin's accusation "is a serious one, and it appears to have been invented out of thin air."
"The senator should disclose who told him this account of events, retract his reckless allegation immediately, and apologize," Buck said.
Durbin's office did not immediately respond to The Hill's request for comment.
Topics: Dick Durbin, Jay Carney, John Boehner, Barack Obama[/quote]
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/23/Durbin-stands-by-his-comments-on-GOP-disrespect/UPI-49561382558045/#ixzz2iaoFWbPr
Forgot to add this link, sorry. http://www.youtube.com/v/bGhFSX8VoDM
Guess who gets the honor of a spot in this thread again..... :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 24, 2013, 12:20:42 PM
Another of the conservatives' intellectual heroes... (http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-easter/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=sarah-palin-claims-jesus-celebrated-easter)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/easter.asp
So if I post something from a satire site I'm a liar as well?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 25, 2013, 10:21:16 AM
So if I post something from a satire site I'm a liar as well?
Like you told me, you post it you own it. Now if you had not posted it as though it were a real thing, which you did, that might be different. Just givin' you a dose of your own medicine here is all. I asked a question at one point and it got put in here.
The plot thickens. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/24/sources-word-of-alleged-rude-gop-comment-came-from-wh-deputy-chief-of-staff/?hpt=hp_t3) Clearly something was said.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 25, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
The plot thickens. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/24/sources-word-of-alleged-rude-gop-comment-came-from-wh-deputy-chief-of-staff/?hpt=hp_t3) Clearly something was said.
From your link .... "identifying the Republican in question as Texas Rep. Pete Sessions."
And Pete Sessions has a documented history of racist remarks.
Look it up.
Quote from: Bo D on October 25, 2013, 11:52:57 AM
From your link .... "identifying the Republican in question as Texas Rep. Pete Sessions."
And Pete Sessions has a documented history of racist remarks.
Look it up.
But according to her, racism has nothing to do with any of this abject hatred of Obama. It's all about policy differences. :roll eyes:
The lie:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2013, 04:36:17 PM
Not true at all. I was at first excited about him, because I did not want Hillary to be the nominee. My first impression of him was I kind of liked his personality. I did not want another Clinton in office, just as many did not want another Bush.
Please quit making your accusations about me. You are 100% wrong.
The proof:
Yep. Outright lie as I thought: (here's the proof in your own words)
3 months into 2008 we have this gem:
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2008, 11:18:29 AM
I never said Fox News wasn't ... did I?
. . .
Obama is a lying piece of crap....with a smooth tounge...
I also think the democrat party is in BIG trouble right now...
And here you are again 3 months into 2008
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2008, 09:50:32 AM
I agree...........i felt the same on the republican ticket...i wish the dems had someone that was more middle of the road...that i could stomach........but, who am I foolin.........that could probably never happen...
. . .
And here in February 2008 you insinuate he and his backers are Nazis. . . (Emphasis yours).
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 19, 2008, 03:40:46 PM
The facts your liberal friends need to hear
By Jonah Goldberg
. . . Huey Long reportedly said that if Fascism comes to America it will be called "anti-Fascism." Liberals can still make their arguments that fascism comes from the right. But until they understand that wherever fascism may come from, it never arrives save in a form that the best and the brightest are willing to accept with open arms.
And if liberals don't know their history, they won't be equipped to spot it when it comes knocking. [/i]
Then there's this little gem from December of 2006!
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2006, 09:54:54 AM
Twas the Forum before Christmas
by Henry Hawk
Twas the night before Christmas and all through the forum
Found only Henry, and he was really borum. (work with me)
Not a poster was logged-In, No, not even Pariann.
Nor Tallulahdahling or damfast would be at hand
Not Sunny or Daisy or IYT
Not Gryphon or Locutus could I see.
I wondered if AWOL could possibly be dead
Then who would I call my Poopiehead... ???
I sent a PM to BEG and red-haired girl
And one to Isabelle and one to Cashurl
I wrote some great things about George W.
To get a rise out of MsMojo and FTW..
It was still very quite and it was getting later
No Magistrate, No Brat and No Exterminator.
442's Garage was totaly closed..
I thought for sure all was hosed...
Then woo and behold at the flick of an eye
The avatar of Fatcats Mom, and then came Y
Then proud coalminer and Pa Kettle
Even Cookie and Palehorse was there to settle
For I knew it everyone was there
Even C91 was there in the bare
and whoops I almost forgot.....
Baseball Mama,
Bo D,
and Barack Obama
Now with this all said as Christmas gets nearer
George Bush is the best...nanny nanny neeaner
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY....
July 2008:
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
. . .
although, it would not be the end of the world IF joe was picked........I do not want obama as president, that is the bottom line for me...
July 2007:
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2007, 10:56:14 PM
. . .AND if that person was not a socialist left winged liberal...
..Obama, has a little charisma, but, to me, has not proven he is ready to take on the presidency. . .
So tell us again how you "liked" the guy at first. When exactly was that?
You're a liar!
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.3270 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16915.3270)
Seriously Palehorse?
You went through all this troublt to TRY to prove I am a liar?
What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?
Does this make you feel better? really?
If it does, then I am okay with that. Call me a liar. I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission. You for some reason want to make this forum personal.
I guess you have to convinced Ex, Locutus and the Troll, I am a liar. WOW! that was really a tough job. They already don't like me. Congratulations. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
Seriously Palehorse?
You went through all this troublt to TRY to prove I am a liar?
What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?
Does this make you feel better? really?
If it does, then I am okay with that. Call me a liar. I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission. You for some reason want to make this forum personal.
I guess you have to convinced Ex, Locutus and the Troll, I am a liar. WOW! that was really a tough job. They already don't like me. Congratulations. :yes:
It just makes them feel big to put stuff here but as time goes on they may find that some things are going to have to be removed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?
He has since realized that you possess neither of those qualities.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
He has since realized that you possess neither of those qualities.
Why would you say that?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 08:28:14 AM
First of all,
Why does everybody have to make things personal all the time.....I'm tired of it.
Second,
Palehorse DID lie in the Trayvon thread....I already proved that.
and third,
ME IS right, there has been some violent protests.....in LA and Oakland. I proved that too.
This thread sucks btw....imo.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
You are amazing...........even when I prove you wrong, you always have an excuse.
can you ever admit when you are wrong?
Remember those words you posted to me? No? Well read them again above.
Then you want to play the victim card after I bust you with your own words? -----v
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
Seriously Palehorse?
You went through all this troublt to TRY to prove I am a liar?
What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?
Does this make you feel better? really?
If it does, then I am okay with that. Call me a liar. I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission. You for some reason want to make this forum personal.
I guess you have to convinced Ex, Locutus and the Troll, I am a liar. WOW! that was really a tough job. They already don't like me. Congratulations. :yes:
I don't have to convince anybody of anything concerning you; you do it very well all by yourself.
You want to show no quarter toward me or anyone else that opposes your views and exposes your lies, but then expect quarter when you are exposed telling a flat out lie?
I've told you several times in the years we have interacted here, and I'll remind you of it again for clarity; "With me you get what you give. You shovel me shit and I'll bury you in it."
And for the record, it wouldn't have ended up in this topic by my hand, except for your outright refusal to admit your error despite the overwhelming and compelling evidence presented, and in your own words. THAT act moved it up to the flat out lie tracker status.
PH hate to break this to you but just because he didn't sing Obama's praises on the forum does not mean he didn't like him at first. You are doing an awful lot of assuming aren't you? Remember you assumed I could have cared less about Kennedy, who killed him, or wasn't concerned about the fact everything was locked away for 100 yrs. Well, if you're looking through the forum for something to back you up on that you're wasting your time because that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2013, 05:09:18 PM
Remember those words you posted to me? No? Well read them again above.
Then you want to play the victim card after I bust you with your own words? -----v
I don't have to convince anybody of anything concerning you; you do it very well all by yourself.
You want to show no quarter toward me or anyone else that opposes your views and exposes your lies, but then expect quarter when you are exposed telling a flat out lie?
I've told you several times in the years we have interacted here, and I'll remind you of it again for clarity; "With me you get what you give. You shovel me shit and I'll bury you in it."
And for the record, it wouldn't have ended up in this topic by my hand, except for your outright refusal to admit your error despite the overwhelming and compelling evidence presented, and in your own words. THAT act moved it up to the flat out lie tracker status.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
PH hate to break this to you but just because he didn't sing Obama's praises on the forum does not mean he didn't like him at first. You are doing an awful lot of assuming aren't you? Remember you assumed I could have cared less about Kennedy, who killed him, or wasn't concerned about the fact everything was locked away for 100 yrs. Well, if you're looking through the forum for something to back you up on that you're wasting your time because that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge.
Holy hell. Now you?
Who is doing the assuming here? Humm. . .?
You are, (surprise! :rolleyes: ) spinning a statement I made to mean something it did not. I asked why you weren't raising as much hell about state secrets such as the Kennedy assassination; I made no insinuation around how you felt about it other than by your own actions, how it must be less important to you than the sitting POTUS. Anything other than that is a figment of your insidious imagination.
He was calling him a left-winged liberal and worse in 2007 and 2008. So when exactly did he "like" him? (He still hasn't answered that question). And why would he? Prior to his running for POTUS you and ol Hank didn't know him from anyone living on the west side of Anderson. And couldn't have cared less about him. His work was representing the people of the State of Illinois.
I am doing no assuming. It was a lie, it was a lie when he posted it, it was a lie yesterday, it is a lie today, and will still be a lie tomorrow; and I proved it by re-posting his very own words. (In context and without any "spin" what-so-ever).
You two are so big on sticking to the words spoken and the implied meaning of them when it comes to the POTUS, so how about one or both of you stepping up to the plate and implementing that which you impose upon others, upon yourselves? :rolleyes:
And by the way, I hate to break this to you but the JFK assassination has been discussed here in the past, and if my own memory serves me correctly our late brother, followsthewolf, was a participant in said discussions.
Shall I prove that to you?
Quote from: Palehorse on April 20, 2008, 11:46:38 AM
Almost 40 years ago Sirhan Sirhan was convicted as the sole assassin of presidential candidate and senator Robert F. Kennedy, (5 JUNE 1968), in what was described as an "open and shut case".
Kennedy, a very popular candidate with the folks back then due in part to his brother's assassination during his term as POTUS, as well as RFK's own strong perspectives surrounding civil rights and organized crime, died of four gunshot wounds.
A group of investigators utilized current forensic and audio science to analyze an audio recording (and other evidence) made of senator Kennedy's speech just prior to the assassination, and for 30 minutes post assassination, and what they claim to have found is nothing short of confusing.
Apparently there were 13 shots fired, and the revolver held by the assassin would only fire 8 shots. . .
"...An open and shut case, right from the beginning; with all of the witnesses and the physical evidence; and I don't think it probably could have been handled in any better fashion than it really was."
These were the words of Edward Davis, Chief of Police, Los Angeles Police Department, commenting on the performance of his department in the aftermath of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Indeed, statements not only by Ed Davis, but also by most local officials at the time – such as Evelle Younger, Los Angeles District Attorney, and Sam Yorty, Mayor of Los Angeles, reflected the 'obvious' simple finding that Sirhan Bishara Sirhan, and Sirhan alone, shot RFK and five others in that cramped kitchen-pantry adjacent to the Embassy Room in the Ambassador Hotel on June 5, 1968.
After all, a number of people saw Sirhan raise and fire his weapon at close range to Kennedy. His Iver Johnson Cadet 55 eight–shot .22 caliber revolver was removed from his hand and later placed into evidence. What more could you want to define "an open and shut case"?
And yet, what emerged were many contradictory bits of evidence; some appeared from the very beginning, others gradually came to light over the months and years that have transpired since the shooting.
In this book, we explore a number of these findings, focusing first on recent scientific discoveries that cast grave doubt upon the 'single shooter' conclusion that was so hastily cast at the outset. Not that there weren't sufficient clues at the outset pointing to the existence of a "second shooter". Unfortunately, it took many years for significant facts to become available to the public. The authorities carefully guarded the evidence, and destroyed many key items, releasing details only when forced to do so.
At the same time, as you read this book it will become perhaps a bit easier to understand the actions initially taken by the authorities at the time of the shooting, as we uncover – for the first time – detailed, unedited conversations within the LAPD during those crucial moments following the shooting.
As we become armed with the new scientific knowledge firmly establishing the existence of a second shooter, we then present a fresh perspective on the bullets fired in that pantry. We re-examine witness statements and scrutinize the investigation process followed by the authorities. As many contradictions will become apparent when this information is presented, we examine them in detail, also presenting the government point of view.
Finally, in the Epilogue, we present our conclusions, based on the data presented earlier. There is much additional research that should be conducted in the future; but at this moment in time our knowledge base has significantly progressed. No longer need there be any discussion as to whether a second shooter was present in that dimly lit, narrow kitchen-pantry in the Ambassador Hotel on June 5, 1968.
Voluminous material is provided in the Appendices, allowing readers to view for themselves actual transcripts, photos, witness statements, government document excerpts and medical reports. Plus, there's a DVD package, providing many video and audio clips – some rarely or never seen before. Included are many interviews, two video clips capturing the chaos in the kitchen-pantry shortly after the shooting, and excerpts from previous documentaries covering the assassination through the years.
In Chapter 1, the Stanislaw Pruszynski recording is examined. This obscure journalist had just completed recording Senator Kennedy's California Presidential Primary victory statement. Then, inadvertently, his tape recorder remained in record mode as he exited the Ambassador Hotel's Embassy Room, following the Kennedy procession into the adjoining kitchen-pantry area. It was precisely at this time, as Pruszynski departed the Embassy Room, that the shots began. Author Van Praag's extensive analysis of this recording has led to significant findings, prompting the production of a one–hour television documentary on the Discovery Times Channel (originally airing in June, 2007) and followed by additional findings never before published.
Prior to making judgments based on the raw analysis, however, given the complex arena that existed in the Ambassador Hotel's kitchen-pantry area (moreover with imperfect source information) it's important to consider the complete context of the event; not simply the raw data. In conjunction with (and really inseparable from) this data, this context is covered in detail.
In Chapter 2, police radio transmissions are examined. These unedited never-before-available recordings provide a first-hand accounting of the actual police conversations beginning just after the shooting. No conjecture, no imperfect recollections; just the real-time captured communications as authorities struggled to meet the demands of this event. Particular focus will be placed on LAPD Sergeant Paul Sharaga, who set up and operated the police "Command Post" in the rear parking lot of the Ambassador shortly after the shooting.
In Chapter 3, we take an in-depth look into those shots fired in the kitchen pantry. Unfortunately, the combination of a chaotic crime scene, withheld and destroyed evidence, conflicting statements and a quick rush to judgment have all contributed to many years of erroneous beliefs and speculation that could have been largely avoided, had common sense and appropriate police procedure been followed.
In Chapter 4, we look at witness and expert statements related to the shooting, including 'pre' and 'post' shooting observations. A number of those statements and observations are presented in captured video clips contained on the DVDs included with this book.
In Chapter 5, we scrutinize the LAPD's investigation of this event. We closely examine every aspect of government activities, from forensic analysis of the crime scene, medical analyses, government prosecution of the murder case against Sirhan, and the handling of evidence. Statements from government representatives will be compared against independent expert views. A number of apparent mis-judgments and errors (some would suggest a 'cover-up') will be closely examined.
In Chapter 6, three Government accounts related to the assassination are discussed, including the massive "An Investigation Summary..." produced by the LAPD's special "SUS" task force, "The Kranz Report" as produced at the completion of a special investigation requested by the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, and "Special Unit Senator", written by Robert A. Houghton, the LAPD's Chief of Detectives.
In Chapter 7, we describe a number of the conspiracy theories that have emerged through the years. What must be considered in this context are two possible avenues of conspiracy: one being a conspiracy to commit murder; the other being a conspiracy to cover up. Both avenues are explored.
In Chapter 8, we delve into the victim injuries incurred in that kitchen-pantry. We find that the deeper one examines the facts encompassing both Senator Kennedy's autopsy findings and the other shooting victim details, the more flaws are revealed in the government's conclusions.
In the Epilogue, we report our best judgment as to what likely occurred in the Ambassador Hotel's kitchen-pantry on June 5, 1968; what we feel can be reasonably concluded, based on past evidence and new findings.
Several Appendices are included, with considerable raw data to support and flesh out the earlier chapters. And attached to this book is a unique collection of broadcast and print media segments – presented in DVD format. Many of these clips were recorded very soon after the shooting, capturing the detailed nuances of what occurred that night. Later recollections and viewpoints are also included; and while still useful, these may be less accurate, suffering perhaps from failing memories, or even tainted – as some may claim - by embellishment, or as a result of persuasion by (and / or collaboration with) others.
http://www.anopenandshutcase.com/?page_id=3 (http://www.anopenandshutcase.com/?page_id=3)
This is going to be a book I will have to read, since the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK collectively served as defining milestones within my formative years. I've always somehow felt that the three events were connected in some way, perhaps each an event leading to the elimination of those that would seize the reins in steering this country toward equal rights and justice. . .
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?action=post;quote=254834;topic=8671.0;last_msg=254834 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?action=post;quote=254834;topic=8671.0;last_msg=254834)
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Quote from: me on November 13, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
PH hate to break this to you but just because he didn't sing Obama's praises on the forum does not mean he didn't like him at first. You are doing an awful lot of assuming aren't you? Remember you assumed I could have cared less about Kennedy, who killed him, or wasn't concerned about the fact everything was locked away for 100 yrs. Well, if you're looking through the forum for something to back you up on that you're wasting your time because that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge.
So now here's documentation that proves you are lying when you said, "
that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge".
Not only has it been discussed through the years, but several times. So you didn't even bother to look before you opened your pie-hole now did you? Why? Because you didn't care enough about it to do so. You just saw what looked to be a lever with which to try to weasel your way into a dialog that wasn't yours, and surprise; you are wrong again! :rolleyes:
I will submit that your statement is only half a lie though. The "to my knowledge" ending is enough to provide you partial plausible deniability. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And before you try it let me remind you, you have been here since 2006.
QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Holy hell. Now you?
Who is doing the assuming here? Humm. . .?
You are, (surprise! :rolleyes: ) spinning a statement I made to mean something it did not. I asked why you weren't raising as much hell about state secrets such as the Kennedy assassination; I made no insinuation around how you felt about it other than by your own actions, how it must be less important to you than the sitting POTUS. Anything other than that is a figment of your insidious imagination.
At that particular time he may have been calling Hillary a socialist left-wing liberal since he mentioned Obama in the nexy sentence.
He was calling him a left-winged liberal and worse in 2007 and 2008. So when exactly did he "like" him? (He still hasn't answered that question). And why would he? Prior to his running for POTUS you and ol Hank didn't know him from anyone living on the west side of Anderson. And couldn't have cared less about him. His work was representing the people of the State of Illinois.
I am doing no assuming. It was a lie, it was a lie when he posted it, it was a lie yesterday, it is a lie today, and will still be a lie tomorrow; and I proved it by re-posting his with his very own words. (In context and without any "spin" what-so-ever).
You two are so big on sticking to the words spoken and the implied meaning of them when it comes to the POTUS, so how about one or both of you stepping up to the plate and implementing that which you impose upon others, upon yourselves? :rolleyes:
And by the way, I hate to break this to you but the JFK assassination has been discussed here in the past, and if my own memory serves me correctly our late brother, followsthewolf, was a participant in said discussions.
Shall I prove that to you?
There is a one year spread between these posts and that is plenty of time to figure out he didn't like Obama's policies.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2007, 10:56:14 PM
. . .AND if that person was not a socialist left winged liberal...
..Obama, has a little charisma, but, to me, has not proven he is ready to take on the presidency. . .
QuoteJuly 2008:
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
. . .
although, it would not be the end of the world IF joe was picked........I do not want obama as president, that is the bottom line for me...
As far as the Kennedy thing is concerned if you think you can find a post from me which states anything about locking the files up go for it. Further if you think because there is nothing from me, providing the subject was posted about, it may have been during the time I was new on the forum and posting very little and mostly playing the games, which there were quite a few of at one time.
Hopefully I got this right but the phone is ringing off the hook again so I'm having to do this and talk at the same time which is slightly distracting.... :rant: Sometimes ya just have no choice. :no:
Quote from: me on November 13, 2013, 07:15:53 PM
There is a one year spread between these posts and that is plenty of time to figure out he didn't like Obama's policies.
As far as the Kennedy thing is concerned if you think you can find a post from me which states anything about locking the files up go for it. Further if you think because there is nothing from me, providing the subject was posted about, it may have been during the time I was new on the forum and posting very little and mostly playing the games, which there were quite a few of at one time.
Hopefully I got this right but the phone is ringing off the hook again so I'm having to do this and talk at the same time which is slightly distracting.... :rant: Sometimes ya just have no choice. :no:
Oh, I don't remember seeing Obama's name mentioned in HH's poem you quoted either so how do you connect it to this?
Quote from: me on November 13, 2013, 07:17:21 PM
Oh, I don't remember seeing Obama's name mentioned in HH's poem you quoted either so how do you connect it to this?
Holy hell. Like shooting fish in a barrel . . .
Quote. . .and whoops I almost forgot.....
Baseball Mama,
Bo D,
and Barack Obama
Now with this all said as Christmas gets nearer
George Bush is the best...nanny nanny neeaner
You had best go back and re-read that lady. . .
Do you EVER read anything? EVER?! :rolleyes:
And fyi - that post wasn't meant to be a comprehensive representation of ol hanks vitriol directed toward Mr. Obama and continuing right through to his Presidential Administration and present day, but rather a brief synopsis of it. And enough to meet the standard of proof that his present day professions were lies. :rolleyes:
comprehension |ˌkämpriˈhenCHən|
noun
1 the action or capability of understanding something:
Don't recall seeing the older ones but I guess I did comment in a thread last year but, if you'll recall I was going through a lot last year trying to get the house ready to move into, pack, having to go to the hospital for a brief stay 'cause of that darned infection I got from that contact dermatitis I ended up with thanks to that Dove exfoliating body wash, I won't even look at it when I go down that aisle at the store anymore and stay on the other side of the aisle too......not going near that stuff ever again...... :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: (I know, so what). You are wrong in the assumption that I didn't raise hell about it though. It may not have been on this forum but I definitely did at the time.
Quote"me" November 13, 2013 @ 7:15:53PM
As far as the Kennedy thing is concerned if you think you can find a post from me which states anything about locking the files up go for it. Further if you think because there is nothing from me, providing the subject was posted about, it may have been during the time I was new on the forum and posting very little and mostly playing the games, which there were quite a few of at one time.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2013, 06:52:26 PM
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So now here's documentation that proves you are lying when you said, "that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge".
Not only has it been discussed through the years, but several times. So you didn't even bother to look before you opened your pie-hole now did you? Why? Because you didn't care enough about it to do so. You just saw what looked to be a lever with which to try to weasel your way into a dialog that wasn't yours, and surprise; you are wrong again! :rolleyes:
I will submit that your statement is only half a lie though. The "to my knowledge" ending is enough to provide you partial plausible deniability. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And before you try it let me remind you, you have been here since 2006.
So there you have it. Proof.
Which you conveniently overlooked and then attempt to spin into something else. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2013, 07:32:13 PM
Holy hell. Like shooting fish in a barrel . . .
You had best go back and re-read that lady. . .
Do you EVER read anything? EVER?! :rolleyes:
And fyi - that post wasn't meant to be a comprehensive representation of ol hanks vitriol directed toward Mr. Obama and continuing right through to his Presidential Administration and present day, but rather a brief synopsis of it. And enough to meet the standard of proof that his present day professions were lies. :rolleyes:
comprehension |ˌkämpriˈhenCHən|
noun
1 the action or capability of understanding something:
The connection to Obama eludes me here. How can you possibly connect his feelings about Bush to his dislike for Obama or his policies? That's like saying if you like country music you can't possibly like the blues and your lying if you say you do because you professed your love for country music a couple of years ago.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2013, 07:39:58 PM
The connection to Obama eludes me here. How can you possibly connect his feelings about Bush to his dislike for Obama or his policies? That's like saying if you like country music you can't possibly like the blues and your lying if you say you do because you professed your love for country music a couple of years ago.
If I have to explain it you wouldn't understand. Besides, it isn't worth the effort to try to teach anyone that lies anything.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2013, 07:57:12 PM
If I have to explain it you wouldn't understand. Besides, it isn't worth the effort to try to teach anyone that lies anything.
No, explain it. Lots of people who were singing Bush's praises voted for Obama, obviously or he wouldn't have won, and some who did may have thought about it at first but didn't so that makes no sense and isn't even logical that it should mean HH is lying about what he said, especially since Obama wasn't even a factor yet and it could have ended up being Hillary running. To be clear we're still discussing the poem here.
Palehorse , enough of your ego bullshit about giving a quarter bullshit.
You simply have your ass chapped because your guy is proving himself to be the loser we all knew he would be.
I can careless about your "findings" of quotes I said on this forum. I know how I felt. I have zero need to lie. Nor do I give a shit if you think I lied or not. I am not play no victim card either. I did at one time bother me how you felt about me. I am WAY over that. I will shovel the shit you throw right back in your face every time pal. I will NEVER back down when I KNOW FOR FACT when I am right.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I just happen to not think I am wrong when bullshitting on here with you guys.
Not that you will believe me, but I saw Obama speak at the dem convention. I thought he was smooth. I thought he would be a pleasant surprise, with all the talk of Hillary running. It didn't take long for any logical thinking conservative to realize that this guy is NOT a leader. He read a mean teleprompter, but that was it.
Somewhere down the road, you lost your sense of humor. This place is supposed to be for fun....even YOU told me that. Just because we disagree on most things shouldn't mean you gotta make it personal. Even Ex and I have found common ground. Locutus and I have mutual respect. Troll and I can cut up with one another....but NOT YOU.
You claim to be a critical thinker, but ONLY when it supports YOUR beliefs. I am okay with that...IT IS YOUR BELIEFS. I have mine based upon my understanding and reasoning of what I read and listen to. But then you attack me and me for NOT agreeing with you. Lay the fuck off...and quit making it personal.
anyway...blah, blah, blah. I'm tired, and just blowing off before I turn in.
But, I will shovel shit back at ya any time you want throw my way you will NOT bury me in it, thought you think you can. I promise I won't lose a wink of sleep either.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2013, 09:47:13 PM
Palehorse , enough of your ego bullshit about giving a quarter bullshit.
You simply have your ass chapped because your guy is proving himself to be the loser we all knew he would be.
I can careless about your "findings" of quotes I said on this forum. I know how I felt. I have zero need to lie. Nor do I give a shit if you think I lied or not. I am not play no victim card either. I did at one time bother me how you felt about me. I am WAY over that. I will shovel the shit you throw right back in your face every time pal. I will NEVER back down when I KNOW FOR FACT when I am right.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I just happen to not think Iu am wrong when bullshitting on here with you guys.
Not that you will believe me, but I saw Obama speak at the dem convention. I thought he was smooth. I thought he would be a pleasant surprise, with all the talk of Hillary running. It didn't take long for any logical thinking conservative to realize that this guy is NOT a leader. He read a mean teleprompter, but that was it.
Somewhere down the road, you lost your sense of humor. This place is supposed to be for fun....even YOU told me that. Just because we disagree on most things shouldn't mean you gotta make it personal. Even Ex and I have found common ground. Locutus and I have mutual respect. Troll and I can cut up with one another....but NOT YOU.
You claim to be a critical thinker, but ONLY when it supports YOUR beliefs. I am okay with that...IT IS YOUR BELIEFS. I have mine based upon my understanding and reasoning of what I read and listen to. But then you attack me and me for NOT agreeing with you. Lay the fuck off...and quit making it personal.
anyway...blah, blah, blah. I'm tired, and just blowing off before I turn in.
But, I will shovel shit back at ya any time you want throw my way you will NOT bury me in it, thought you think you can. I promise I won't lose a wink of sleep either.
Who is making it personal now?
You lost. Get over it.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 14, 2013, 06:32:26 AM
Who is making it personal now?
You lost. Get over it.
What did I lose? Seriously? I didn't lose a thing. I have NOTHING to get over. Get over yourself.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2013, 07:17:21 PM
There is a one year spread between these posts and that is plenty of time to figure out he didn't like Obama's policies.
He didn't like Obama's policies before Obama even had any policies, ergo, racist...you know...like you.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 14, 2013, 09:32:19 AM
He didn't like Obama's policies before Obama even had any policies, ergo, racist...you know...like you.
I can like someone, despite their policies. Bill Clinton was likable. Hell, Obama in my opinion WAS likable. Given the choice I had at the time, I didn't like ANY of the candidates. I really never cared for McCain and I still don't. But his policies were going to be more center than Obamas or Clintons or Edwards or Bidens. I am a CONSERVATIVE....so, it was easy for me not to get all giddy with any liberal that was elected.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 14, 2013, 09:32:19 AM
He didn't like Obama's policies before Obama even had any policies, ergo, racist...you know...like you.
He had policies when he was running against Hillary for the nomination. Or should I say an agenda or plans for a policy?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 14, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
What did I lose? Seriously? I didn't lose a thing. . .
credibility |ˌkredəˈbilitē|
noun
the quality of being trusted and believed in:
• the quality of being convincing or believable:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 14, 2013, 07:00:57 PM
credibility |ˌkredəˈbilitē|
noun
the quality of being trusted and believed in:
• the quality of being convincing or believable:
From you? Big deal. You have had your mind made up months ago.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 14, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
From you? Big deal. You have had your mind made up months ago.
Now you're so far off in the deep weeds you couldn't find your ass if you were holding it! :rotfl:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 14, 2013, 07:00:57 PM
credibility |ˌkredəˈbilitē|
noun
the quality of being trusted and believed in:
• the quality of being convincing or believable:
Funny as hell that YOU are worried about credibility. That is exactly what our POTUS has lost. You couldn't PROVE what I said was true or false, but Americans all across this Nation, witnessed for a FACT that our POTUS LIED. It is not even questionable. HE DID IN FACT LIE! His credibility has been LOST.
You are worried about MY credibility and what I said effected nobody. The POTUS personally caused millions of hard working Americans to lose their insurance. He intentionally LIED to assure his Bill would pass.
This is a sad time in our country when some people still defend him. I saw where several democrats in the House have now sided up with the Republicans to try to fix HIS mess. (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2013, 07:59:42 AM
Funny as hell that YOU are worried about credibility. That is exactly what our POTUS has lost. You couldn't PROVE what I said was true or false, but Americans all across this Nation, witnessed for a FACT that our POTUS LIED. It is not even questionable. HE DID IN FACT LIE! His credibility has been LOST.
You are worried about MY credibility and what I said effected nobody. The POTUS personally caused millions of hard working Americans to lose their insurance. He intentionally LIED to assure his Bill would pass.
This is a sad time in our country when some people still defend him. I saw where several democrats in the House have now sided up with the Republicans to try to fix HIS mess. (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
Well. . . at least you put this in the lie tracker! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2013, 07:59:42 AM
Funny as hell that YOU are worried about credibility. That is exactly what our POTUS has lost. You couldn't PROVE what I said was true or false, but Americans all across this Nation, witnessed for a FACT that our POTUS LIED. It is not even questionable. HE DID IN FACT LIE! His credibility has been LOST.
You are worried about MY credibility and what I said effected nobody. The POTUS personally caused millions of hard working Americans to lose their insurance. He intentionally LIED to assure his Bill would pass.
This is a sad time in our country when some people still defend him. I saw where several democrats in the House have now sided up with the Republicans to try to fix HIS mess. (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
It's funny how George W. Bush lies has killed over 4.500 young American men and women and thousands of innocent Iraqis, men women and children. But Obama's so called big lie didn't kill one person. Obama fixed the problem and apologized for the so called lie.
But George W. hasn't apologized for all of the unneeded murders and killing and damage he has done because of his lies. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: But old Henry is a blubbering idiot when it comes to Republican lies. :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
It's funny how George W. Bush lies has killed over 4.500 young American men and women and thousands of innocent Iraqis, men women and children. But Obama's so called big lie didn't kill one person. Obama fixed the problem and apologized for the so called lie.
But George W. hasn't apologized for all of the unneeded murders and killing and damage he has done because of his lies. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: But old Henry is a blubbering idiot when it comes to Republican lies. :trustme:
The lie tracker is exactly where this kind of drivel belongs too.
You are exactly right me. :yes:
Quote from: me on November 16, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
The lie tracker is exactly where this kind of drivel belongs too.
So your saying George W's lies and war didn't kill any American men and women, Dumbo. :doh:
Quote from: me on November 16, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
The lie tracker is exactly where this kind of drivel belongs too.
The deaths of 4,500 Americans is "drivel"? Seriously?! :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
Call me a liar. I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission.
Hank, Hank, Hank...you forget how long some of us have known you - especially me.
You've invariably had the habit of attempting to rehabilitate your past history.
You should either own your past or admit error and just be done with it. Not owning your past shows a lack of courage and a refusal to admit error shows a failure to learn from mistakes.
The fact that you can sit there and say you 'liked' Obama when so many of us know you hadn't anything good to say about the man from day one indicates you're simply trying to deflect from you being an ideologue and a racist - two things you either ought to own or admit error. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2013, 09:47:13 PM
I am not play no victim card either.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.
Yes, you do...on both counts.
As I've pointed out, you don't appear to want to remember how long some of us have known you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2013, 07:59:42 AM
You couldn't PROVE what I said was true or false, but Americans all across this Nation, witnessed for a FACT that our POTUS LIED. It is not even questionable. HE DID IN FACT LIE! His credibility has been LOST.
You are worried about MY credibility and what I said effected nobody. The POTUS personally caused millions of hard working Americans to lose their insurance. He intentionally LIED to assure his Bill would pass.
No, Hank, he did not.
It was always implicit that new policies would have to comply with the new law.
Also, IIRC, previous policies would be grandfathered in unless the insurance companies altered the policies.
Obama has not caused anyone to lose their insurance, nor did he lie to get the bill passed - that idea is ridiculously stupid on the face of it.
Why is it you Toilet Paper party racists refuse to put the blame where it really belongs - on the insurance companies...and you TPers?
Quote from: me on November 16, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
The lie tracker is exactly where this kind of drivel belongs too.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2013, 05:38:29 PM
You are exactly right me. :yes:
Really? Why?