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[me]

Guess who gets the honor of a spot in this thread again..... 

Another of the conservatives' intellectual heroes...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/easter.asp

[Exterminator]

So if I post something from a satire site I'm a liar as well?

[me]

So if I post something from a satire site I'm a liar as well?

Like you told me, you post it you own it.  Now if you had not posted it as though it were a real thing, which you did, that might be different.  Just givin' you a dose of your own medicine here is all.   I asked a question at one point and it got put in here.

[Exterminator]

The plot thickens.  Clearly something was said.

[Bo D]

The plot thickens.  Clearly something was said.

From your link .... "identifying the Republican in question as Texas Rep. Pete Sessions."

And Pete Sessions has a documented history of racist remarks.

Look it up.

[Locutus]

From your link .... "identifying the Republican in question as Texas Rep. Pete Sessions."

And Pete Sessions has a documented history of racist remarks.

Look it up.

But according to her, racism has nothing to do with any of this abject hatred of Obama.  It's all about policy differences. 

[Palehorse]

The lie:

Not true at all.  I was at first excited about him, because I did not want Hillary to be the nominee.  My first impression of him was I kind of liked his personality.  I did not want another Clinton in office, just as many did not want another Bush.

Please quit making your accusations about me.  You are 100% wrong.

The proof:

Yep. Outright lie as I thought: (here's the proof in your own words)


3 months into 2008 we have this gem:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2008, 11:18:29 AM
I never said Fox News wasn't ... did I?

. . .
Obama is a lying piece of crap....with a smooth tounge...

I also think the democrat party is in BIG trouble right now...

And here you are again 3 months into 2008

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2008, 09:50:32 AM
I agree...........i felt the same on the republican ticket...i wish the dems had someone that was more middle of the road...that i could stomach........but, who am I foolin.........that could probably never happen...

. . .

And here in February 2008 you insinuate he and his backers are Nazis. . . (Emphasis yours).

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 19, 2008, 03:40:46 PM
The facts your liberal friends need to hear
By Jonah Goldberg

. . . Huey Long reportedly said that if Fascism comes to America it will be called "anti-Fascism." Liberals can still make their arguments that fascism comes from the right. But until they understand that wherever fascism may come from, it never arrives save in a form that the best and the brightest are willing to accept with open arms.
And if liberals don't know their history, they won't be equipped to spot it when it comes knocking. [/i]

Then there's this little gem from December of 2006!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2006, 09:54:54 AM
Twas the Forum before Christmas
by Henry Hawk


Twas the night before Christmas and all through the forum
Found only Henry, and he was really borum. (work with me)


Not a poster was logged-In, No, not even Pariann.
Nor Tallulahdahling or damfast would be at hand


Not Sunny or Daisy or IYT
Not Gryphon or Locutus could I see. 


I wondered if AWOL could possibly be dead
Then who would I call my Poopiehead... ???


I sent a PM to BEG and red-haired girl
And one to Isabelle and one to Cashurl

I wrote some great things about George W.
To get a rise out of MsMojo and FTW..


It was still very quite and it was getting later
No Magistrate, No Brat and No Exterminator.

442's Garage was totaly closed..
I thought for sure all was hosed...


Then woo and behold at the flick of an eye
The avatar of Fatcats Mom, and then came Y


Then proud coalminer and Pa Kettle
Even Cookie and Palehorse was there to settle 


For I knew it everyone was there
Even C91 was there in the bare


and whoops I almost forgot.....

Baseball Mama,
Bo D,
and Barack Obama



Now with this all said as Christmas gets nearer
George Bush is the best...nanny nanny neeaner


MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY....

July 2008:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
. . .
although, it would not be the end of the world IF joe was picked........I do not want obama as president, that is the bottom line for me...

July 2007:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2007, 10:56:14 PM
. . .AND if that person was not a socialist left winged liberal...

..Obama, has a little charisma, but, to me, has not proven he is ready to take on the presidency. . .

So tell us again how you "liked" the guy at first. When exactly was that?   

You're a liar!


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[Henry Hawk]

Seriously Palehorse?

You went through all this troublt to TRY to prove I am a liar?

What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?

Does this make you feel better?  really?

If it does, then I am okay with that.  Call me a liar.  I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission.  You for some reason want to make this forum personal. 

I guess you have to convinced Ex, Locutus and the Troll, I am a liar.  WOW! that was really a tough job.  They already don't like me.  Congratulations.

[me]

Seriously Palehorse?

You went through all this troublt to TRY to prove I am a liar?

What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?

Does this make you feel better?  really?

If it does, then I am okay with that.  Call me a liar.  I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission.  You for some reason want to make this forum personal. 

I guess you have to convinced Ex, Locutus and the Troll, I am a liar.  WOW! that was really a tough job.  They already don't like me.  Congratulations.

It just makes them feel big to put stuff here but as time goes on they may find that some things are going to have to be removed.

[Exterminator]

What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?

He has since realized that you possess neither of those qualities.

[Henry Hawk]

He has since realized that you possess neither of those qualities.

Why would you say that?

[Palehorse]

First of all,
Why does everybody have to make things personal all the time.....I'm tired of it.

Second,
Palehorse DID lie in the Trayvon thread....I already proved that.

and third,
ME IS right, there has been some violent protests.....in LA and Oakland.  I proved that too.


This thread sucks btw....imo.

You are amazing...........even when I prove you wrong, you always have an excuse.

can you ever admit when you are wrong?

Remember those words you posted to me? No? Well read them again above.

Then you want to play the victim card after I bust you with your own words? -----v

Seriously Palehorse?

You went through all this troublt to TRY to prove I am a liar?

What happened to the guy I wen to breakfast with one day, who had all sorts of integrity and kindness?

Does this make you feel better?  really?

If it does, then I am okay with that.  Call me a liar.  I know I am not, and I think you know I am not a liar either, but for whatever reason, YOU are on a mission.  You for some reason want to make this forum personal. 

I guess you have to convinced Ex, Locutus and the Troll, I am a liar.  WOW! that was really a tough job.  They already don't like me.  Congratulations.

I don't have to convince anybody of anything concerning you; you do it very well all by yourself.

You want to show no quarter toward me or anyone else that opposes your views and exposes your lies, but then expect quarter when you are exposed telling a flat out lie?

I've told you several times in the years we have interacted here, and I'll remind you of it again for clarity; "With me you get what you give. You shovel me shit and I'll bury you in it."

And for the record, it wouldn't have ended up in this topic by my hand, except for your outright refusal to admit your error despite the overwhelming and compelling evidence presented, and in your own words. THAT act moved it up to the flat out lie tracker status.

[me]

PH hate to break this to you but just because he didn't sing Obama's praises on the forum does not mean he didn't like him at first.  You are doing an awful lot of assuming aren't you?  Remember you assumed I could have cared less about Kennedy, who killed him, or wasn't concerned about the fact everything was locked away for 100 yrs.  Well, if you're looking through the forum for something to back you up on that you're wasting your time because that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge.

Remember those words you posted to me? No? Well read them again above.

Then you want to play the victim card after I bust you with your own words? -----v

I don't have to convince anybody of anything concerning you; you do it very well all by yourself.

You want to show no quarter toward me or anyone else that opposes your views and exposes your lies, but then expect quarter when you are exposed telling a flat out lie?

I've told you several times in the years we have interacted here, and I'll remind you of it again for clarity; "With me you get what you give. You shovel me shit and I'll bury you in it."

And for the record, it wouldn't have ended up in this topic by my hand, except for your outright refusal to admit your error despite the overwhelming and compelling evidence presented, and in your own words. THAT act moved it up to the flat out lie tracker status.

[Palehorse]

PH hate to break this to you but just because he didn't sing Obama's praises on the forum does not mean he didn't like him at first.  You are doing an awful lot of assuming aren't you?  Remember you assumed I could have cared less about Kennedy, who killed him, or wasn't concerned about the fact everything was locked away for 100 yrs.  Well, if you're looking through the forum for something to back you up on that you're wasting your time because that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge.

Holy hell. Now you?

Who is doing the assuming here? Humm. . .?

You are, (surprise!  ) spinning a statement I made to mean something it did not. I asked why you weren't raising as much hell about state secrets such as the Kennedy assassination; I made no insinuation around how you felt about it other than by your own actions, how it must be less important to you than the sitting POTUS. Anything other than that is a figment of your insidious imagination.

He was calling him a left-winged liberal and worse in 2007 and 2008. So when exactly did he "like" him? (He still hasn't answered that question). And why would he? Prior to his running for POTUS you and ol Hank didn't know him from anyone living on the west side of Anderson. And couldn't have cared less about him. His work was representing the people of the State of Illinois.

I am doing no assuming. It was a lie, it was a lie when he posted it, it was a lie yesterday, it is a lie today, and will still be a lie tomorrow; and I proved it by re-posting his very own words. (In context and without any "spin" what-so-ever).

You two are so big on sticking to the words spoken and the implied meaning of them when it comes to the POTUS, so how about one or both of you stepping up to the plate and implementing that which you impose upon others, upon yourselves? 

And by the way, I hate to break this to you but the JFK assassination has been discussed here in the past, and if my own memory serves me correctly our late brother, followsthewolf, was a participant in said discussions.

Shall I prove that to you?

[Palehorse]

Almost 40 years ago Sirhan Sirhan was convicted as the sole assassin of presidential candidate and senator Robert F. Kennedy, (5 JUNE 1968), in what was described as an "open and shut case".

Kennedy, a very popular candidate with the folks back then due in part to his brother's assassination during his term as POTUS, as well as RFK's own strong perspectives surrounding  civil rights and organized crime, died of four gunshot wounds.

A group of investigators utilized current forensic and audio science to analyze an audio recording (and other evidence) made of senator Kennedy's speech just prior to the assassination, and for 30 minutes post assassination, and what they claim to have found is nothing short of confusing.

Apparently there were 13 shots fired, and the revolver held by the assassin would only fire 8 shots. . .


"...An open and shut case, right from the beginning; with all of the witnesses and the physical evidence; and I don't think it probably could have been handled in any better fashion than it really was."

These were the words of Edward Davis, Chief of Police, Los Angeles Police Department, commenting on the performance of his department in the aftermath of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Indeed, statements not only by Ed Davis, but also by most local officials at the time – such as Evelle Younger, Los Angeles District Attorney, and Sam Yorty, Mayor of Los Angeles, reflected the 'obvious' simple finding that Sirhan Bishara Sirhan, and Sirhan alone, shot RFK and five others in that cramped kitchen-pantry adjacent to the Embassy Room in the Ambassador Hotel on June 5, 1968.

After all, a number of people saw Sirhan raise and fire his weapon at close range to Kennedy. His Iver Johnson Cadet 55 eight–shot .22 caliber revolver was removed from his hand and later placed into evidence. What more could you want to define "an open and shut case"?

And yet, what emerged were many contradictory bits of evidence; some appeared from the very beginning, others gradually came to light over the months and years that have transpired since the shooting.

In this book, we explore a number of these findings, focusing first on recent scientific discoveries that cast grave doubt upon the 'single shooter' conclusion that was so hastily cast at the outset. Not that there weren't sufficient clues at the outset pointing to the existence of a "second shooter". Unfortunately, it took many years for significant facts to become available to the public. The authorities carefully guarded the evidence, and destroyed many key items, releasing details only when forced to do so.

At the same time, as you read this book it will become perhaps a bit easier to understand the actions initially taken by the authorities at the time of the shooting, as we uncover – for the first time – detailed, unedited conversations within the LAPD during those crucial moments following the shooting.

As we become armed with the new scientific knowledge firmly establishing the existence of a second shooter, we then present a fresh perspective on the bullets fired in that pantry. We re-examine witness statements and scrutinize the investigation process followed by the authorities. As many contradictions will become apparent when this information is presented, we examine them in detail, also presenting the government point of view.

Finally, in the Epilogue, we present our conclusions, based on the data presented earlier. There is much additional research that should be conducted in the future; but at this moment in time our knowledge base has significantly progressed. No longer need there be any discussion as to whether a second shooter was present in that dimly lit, narrow kitchen-pantry in the Ambassador Hotel on June 5, 1968.

Voluminous material is provided in the Appendices, allowing readers to view for themselves actual transcripts, photos, witness statements, government document excerpts and medical reports. Plus, there's a DVD package, providing many video and audio clips – some rarely or never seen before. Included are many interviews, two video clips capturing the chaos in the kitchen-pantry shortly after the shooting, and excerpts from previous documentaries covering the assassination through the years.

In Chapter 1, the Stanislaw Pruszynski recording is examined. This obscure journalist had just completed recording Senator Kennedy's California Presidential Primary victory statement. Then, inadvertently, his tape recorder remained in record mode as he exited the Ambassador Hotel's Embassy Room, following the Kennedy procession into the adjoining kitchen-pantry area. It was precisely at this time, as Pruszynski departed the Embassy Room, that the shots began. Author Van Praag's extensive analysis of this recording has led to significant findings, prompting the production of a one–hour television documentary on the Discovery Times Channel (originally airing in June, 2007) and followed by additional findings never before published.

Prior to making judgments based on the raw analysis, however, given the complex arena that existed in the Ambassador Hotel's kitchen-pantry area (moreover with imperfect source information) it's important to consider the complete context of the event; not simply the raw data. In conjunction with (and really inseparable from) this data, this context is covered in detail.

In Chapter 2, police radio transmissions are examined. These unedited never-before-available recordings provide a first-hand accounting of the actual police conversations beginning just after the shooting. No conjecture, no imperfect recollections; just the real-time captured communications as authorities struggled to meet the demands of this event. Particular focus will be placed on LAPD Sergeant Paul Sharaga, who set up and operated the police "Command Post" in the rear parking lot of the Ambassador shortly after the shooting.

In Chapter 3, we take an in-depth look into those shots fired in the kitchen pantry. Unfortunately, the combination of a chaotic crime scene, withheld and destroyed evidence, conflicting statements and a quick rush to judgment have all contributed to many years of erroneous beliefs and speculation that could have been largely avoided, had common sense and appropriate police procedure been followed.

In Chapter 4, we look at witness and expert statements related to the shooting, including 'pre' and 'post' shooting observations. A number of those statements and observations are presented in captured video clips contained on the DVDs included with this book.

In Chapter 5, we scrutinize the LAPD's investigation of this event. We closely examine every aspect of government activities, from forensic analysis of the crime scene, medical analyses, government prosecution of the murder case against Sirhan, and the handling of evidence. Statements from government representatives will be compared against independent expert views. A number of apparent mis-judgments and errors (some would suggest a 'cover-up') will be closely examined.

In Chapter 6, three Government accounts related to the assassination are discussed, including the massive "An Investigation Summary..." produced by the LAPD's special "SUS" task force, "The Kranz Report" as produced at the completion of a special investigation requested by the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, and "Special Unit Senator", written by Robert A. Houghton, the LAPD's Chief of Detectives.

In Chapter 7, we describe a number of the conspiracy theories that have emerged through the years. What must be considered in this context are two possible avenues of conspiracy: one being a conspiracy to commit murder; the other being a conspiracy to cover up. Both avenues are explored.

In Chapter 8, we delve into the victim injuries incurred in that kitchen-pantry. We find that the deeper one examines the facts encompassing both Senator Kennedy's autopsy findings and the other shooting victim details, the more flaws are revealed in the government's conclusions.

In the Epilogue, we report our best judgment as to what likely occurred in the Ambassador Hotel's kitchen-pantry on June 5, 1968; what we feel can be reasonably concluded, based on past evidence and new findings.

Several Appendices are included, with considerable raw data to support and flesh out the earlier chapters. And attached to this book is a unique collection of broadcast and print media segments – presented in DVD format. Many of these clips were recorded very soon after the shooting, capturing the detailed nuances of what occurred that night. Later recollections and viewpoints are also included; and while still useful, these may be less accurate, suffering perhaps from failing memories, or even tainted – as some may claim - by embellishment, or as a result of persuasion by (and / or collaboration with) others.


http://www.anopenandshutcase.com/?page_id=3

This is going to be a book I will have to read, since the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK collectively served as defining milestones within my formative years. I've always somehow felt that the three events were connected in some way, perhaps each an event leading to the elimination of those that would seize the reins in steering this country toward equal rights and justice. . .

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PH hate to break this to you but just because he didn't sing Obama's praises on the forum does not mean he didn't like him at first.  You are doing an awful lot of assuming aren't you?  Remember you assumed I could have cared less about Kennedy, who killed him, or wasn't concerned about the fact everything was locked away for 100 yrs.  Well, if you're looking through the forum for something to back you up on that you're wasting your time because that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge.

So now here's documentation that proves you are lying when you said, "that hasn't been discussed on this forum to my knowledge".

Not only has it been discussed through the years, but several times. So you didn't even bother to look before you opened your pie-hole now did you? Why? Because you didn't care enough about it to do so. You just saw what looked to be a lever with which to try to weasel your way into a dialog that wasn't yours, and surprise; you are wrong again! 

I will submit that your statement is only half a lie though. The "to my knowledge" ending is enough to provide you partial plausible deniability. 

And before you try it let me remind you, you have been here since 2006.