(CNN) -- Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday that would require any physician performing abortions in the state to be a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and to have admitting privileges at an area hospital.
The bill "should effectively close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi," said Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves in a statement. "This is a strong bill that will effectively end abortion in Mississippi." If the state's only abortion facility, Jackson Women's Health Organization, closes, Mississippi women seeking abortions would have to leave the state. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
The Elected officials of this state, after being told no in November by the good people of the state of Mississippi surrounding their last attempt to close abortion facilities in that state, (the personhood amendment), they are now at it again. . . They want to restrict a woman's right to choose. . . again!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Can you see the damn Republican Supreme Court stopping this crime against women by a god damn bunch of old Republican men. Men sire unwanted children and then don't want to take care of them.
They want women to carry a unwanted fetus for 9 months, but when a baby hit the ground they want to turn their heads and let the woman and child starve and go to hell. God Damn the Son of Bitches. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
AGAIN :zoners: The Republican Party can go straight to hell. :jc:
The citizens of the state of Mississippi spoke in November when they voted down the "Personhood Amendment" that targeted abortions. The elected officials of that state should have understood this, but instead they are now approaching it from yet another angle.
This is nothing but a waste of taxpayer dollars at a time when they are desperately needed elsewhere. Instead of wasting money and time on religiously motivated flotsam, they'd be better served in finding solutions to the plethora of fiscal problems the state is dealing with!
So if it were your daughter getting the abortion you wouldn't care if it was a qualified person doing it or not who might recognize a problem if one arose?
Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
So if it were your daughter getting the abortion you wouldn't care if it was a qualified person doing it or not who might recognize a problem if one arose?
These requirements have nothing to do with qualifications.
Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
So if it were your daughter getting the abortion you wouldn't care if it was a qualified person doing it or not who might recognize a problem if one arose?
What a dumbass, when you make abortions illegal it's back to the coat hangers in back alleys. Don't you even have a brain, my god there is no hope for you.
I have a friend who he and his wife got pregnant 48 years ago. His wife had a severe case of German Measles. They try to get abortion. Well, it was illegal in the states for any reason to get abortion and they couldn't afford to go overseas. The baby was born terribly damaged requiring special care 24 hours a day and they could not afford it and the state took over.
The girl still lives under state care, 48 years old, 50 pounds, never has uttered a word, never walked and never recognized anyone, lays in a crib 24 hours a day with feeding tubes now. What a life for her and what a expense to the state and her parents.
And you say what you said, knowing it's a god damn lie. :finger2:
If they need more than one or two, which they already have one who meets the qualifications, how many abortions a day is this clinic doing anyway?
Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
If they need more than one or two, which they already have one who meets the qualifications, how many abortions a day is this clinic doing anyway?
As long as they are doing it right and in a healthful way, what in hell is it your business anyway. It's not you or your relation going there, what business is it of yours at all. It's all bullshit and you know it. :mad:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 05, 2012, 03:04:10 PM
These requirements have nothing to do with qualifications.
Who is doing the procedures if an ob/gyn isn't?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 05, 2012, 03:04:10 PM
These requirements have nothing to do with qualifications.
Of course they don't! It's all about shutting down the only abortion provider in the state.
Quote from: Anne on April 05, 2012, 05:48:45 PM
Who is doing the procedures if an ob/gyn isn't?
That's not the issue either. From the article in case you didn't read it:
The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.
You Pro Lifers just don't get it. It's legal and I none of your god damn business what a woman does with her own body. It's between her and her doctor.
Get a life of your own and butt out. :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on April 05, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
That's not the issue either. From the article in case you didn't read it:
The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.
I did not read it, so the issue is admiting privileges. That seems overboard as all they have to do is call emergency and someone will see the patient. Personally, I think only women over 18 of childbearing age should have anything at all to say about the issue. That leaves it in the hands of who it affects the most.
Quote from: Anne on April 05, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
I did not read it, so the issue is admitting privileges. That seems overboard as all they have to do is call emergency and someone will see the patient. Personally, I think only women over 18 of childbearing age should have anything at all to say about the issue. That leaves it in the hands of who it affects the most.
Yep, we need a national referendum of all women of childbearing age who is furtile and can medically give birth vote on abortion. Plus vote on birth control medication. I think it would be one out standing vote for free choice. :yes:
Quote from: Anne on April 05, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
I did not read it, so the issue is admiting privileges. That seems overboard as all they have to do is call emergency and someone will see the patient. Personally, I think only women over 18 of childbearing age should have anything at all to say about the issue. That leaves it in the hands of who it affects the most.
Of course it's overboard. Clearly this law has nothing to do with "protecting women's health" or whatever those nut jobs are claiming. The purpose of that law is to shut that abortion clinic down. Nothing more to it than that.
I'm pro-life and pro-choice. Think about it. :smile:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 06, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
I'm pro-life and pro-choice. Think about it. :smile:
I am too, as long is it is not on the federal tax payers dollars.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
I am too, as long is it is not on the federal tax payers dollars.
And it isn't.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2012, 09:47:25 AM
And it isn't.
and I want to keep it that way.....they are bending the rules all they can to "subsidize" those who choose too.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2012, 09:55:14 AM
and I want to keep it that way.....they are bending the rules all they can to "subsidize" those who choose too.
No, they aren't.
Unbelievable how as soon as the topic surrounds abortion, the propaganda and lies are immediately dragged out and implied to be applicable. :rolleyes:
Mississippi should have all federal funding withheld for failure to comply with a federal law, and/or actions intended to undermine a federal law.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 06, 2012, 10:31:40 AM
Unbelievable how as soon as the topic surrounds abortion, the propaganda and lies are immediately dragged out and implied to be applicable.
Yep...it's the same with everything. Rather than just say what they really feel about any given person/subject, they use their little fabrications to attempt to discredit them so it doesn't appear tha they're non-PC or racist.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
I am too, as long is it is not on the federal tax payers dollars.
Give me a break cheap skate. You want those babies born, but you don't want to take care of them we they hit the ground either. Just pass the buck and just more of the Christian bullshit. :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on April 06, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Give me a break cheap skate. You want those babies born, but you don't want to take care of them we they hit the ground either. Just pass the buck and just more of the Christian bullshit. :doh:
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded"....a quote I just heard, that seemed to appropiatly fit my attitude as of late.
Quote from: The Troll on April 06, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Give me a break cheap skate. You want those babies born, but you don't want to take care of them we they hit the ground either. Just pass the buck and just more of the Christian bullshit. :doh:
You're right. He's never been pro-choice. He sees that as the same thing as pro-abortion.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded"....a quote I just heard, that seemed to appropiatly fit my attitude as of late.
Henry you never want to enter a Special Olympics of the "Brain Game" you would lose. Just paint a red L on your forehead for Loser. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 06, 2012, 09:00:39 PM
You're right. He's never been pro-choice. He sees that as the same thing as pro-abortion.
it amazes me how so many people seem to know what I think.........and it amazes me even more how wrong they are most of the time. and this I mean sincerely.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2012, 08:39:46 AM
it amazes me how so many people seem to know what I think.........and it amazes me even more how wrong they are most of the time. and this I mean sincerely.
It's all in the programing HH. :wink:
Quote from: me on April 07, 2012, 08:52:38 AM
It's all in the programing HH. :wink:
If you are not a liberal, then you are automatically against old people, against SS, against medicare, are a racist, hate womens rights, .... this is without a doubt the most cliche' group of people I have ever seen. It just like you said, they have been "programmed" to think a certain way. They accuse those on the right of some of the most ridicules stuff, but they most not have any mirrors in their homes..because they are guilty of nearly EVERYTHING they accuse others of.
I'm sick of it all.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2012, 08:39:46 AM
it amazes me how so many people seem to know what I think.........and it amazes me even more how wrong they are most of the time. and this I mean sincerely.
Yeah, it's not like you've bloviated about your thoughts on the subject a gazillion times or more. </sarcasm> Are you saying your position has changed since the last time the topic came up?
Quote from: me on April 07, 2012, 08:52:38 AM
It's all in the programing HH. :wink:
No, it's all in the ability to read and comprehend. If Henry's stance is as he stated it in his response to me in this thread, then it has changed. Which is fine, but please be honest about it.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2012, 11:43:16 AM
Yeah, it's not like you've bloviated about your thoughts on the subject a gazillion times or more. </sarcasm> Are you saying your position has changed since the last time the topic came up?
I have ALWAYS believed that abortions are wrong and always will be...........on a federal level, I am against any laws or notions of using taxpayers dollars for ANYTHING regarding Abortions.
I do not like the "pro-choice" stances of advocating for abortions.....If a woman wants one, then find a means of paying for it....through charities or other means than tax dollars. I support programs that promote adoptions and such.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2012, 11:46:47 AM
No, it's all in the ability to read and comprehend. If Henry's stance is as he stated it in his response to me in this thread, then it has changed. Which is fine, but please be honest about it.
Most things said are right out of the play book of what to do if someone disagrees with a liberal. I will repeat again, not everyone can or should agree on everything, it is not normal and will
never happen. All those who disagree with liberals have their beliefs just as liberals have theirs and they should be respected and the person who disagrees should not be called names, have words twisted around to make them sound like some sort of monsters, and be called racists or bigots. Even those who change their minds and suddenly see the conservative point are subject to the same kind of thing as are blacks. I invite you to stand on the outside and look in for a change and see the absurdity of it all. It is a pure and simple tactic to try to shame and brow beat the opposition into submission. With some it may work but not for all by any means.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2012, 08:58:20 AM
If you are not a liberal, then you are automatically against old people, against SS, against medicare, are a racist, hate women's rights, .... this is without a doubt the most cliche' group of people I have ever seen. It just like you said, they have been "programmed" to think a certain way. They accuse those on the right of some of the most ridicules stuff, but they most not have any mirrors in their homes..because they are guilty of nearly EVERYTHING they accuse others of.
I'm sick of it all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Complex
Henry I was watch the program "TED" on the Science Channel. There was a noted physicist who was giving a talk about the symptom that some doctors, college professors, CEO, millionaires and billionaires plus electronic geniuses and washed upped old hags. It's called The God Complex.
As he talked a large picture of the Hawk and "ME" started appear on the TV screen. It fit you the twin so well and so complete I now know what I am up a against when conversing with you two people. He when on to say you the twins weren't completely nuts, but that with your closed minds there was nothing anyone could do for you until you opened your mind that possibly you could be wrong.
Since I have heard this lecture, I will not take you two so seriously again. Sorry I jumped over you two so badly. A mind is a terrible thing to lose. :yes: :'(
Quote from: me on April 07, 2012, 02:19:30 PM
Most things said are right out of the play book of what to do if someone disagrees with a liberal. I will repeat again, not everyone can or should agree on everything, it is not normal and will never happen. All those who disagree with liberals have their beliefs just as liberals have theirs and they should be respected and the person who disagrees should not be called names, have words twisted around to make them sound like some sort of monsters, and be called racists or bigots. Even those who change their minds and suddenly see the conservative point are subject to the same kind of thing as are blacks. I invite you to stand on the outside and look in for a change and see the absurdity of it all. It is a pure and simple tactic to try to shame and brow beat the opposition into submission. With some it may work but not for all by any means.
I have NO idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
I have ALWAYS believed that abortions are wrong and always will be...........on a federal level, I am against any laws or notions of using taxpayers dollars for ANYTHING regarding Abortions.
I do not like the "pro-choice" stances of advocating for abortions.....If a woman wants one, then find a means of paying for it....through charities or other means than tax dollars. I support programs that promote adoptions and such.
So which is a better use of your taxpayer dollars HH? You can't have it both ways. As has been pointed out numerous times around here, most people who don't want their taxpayer dollars funding abortions are the selfsame people who also don't want their taxpayer dollars going to fund welfare, food stamps, and the like for some of those same children you're so willing to "save" from being aborted. I'm not sure how you reconcile the two.
You may say that only people who can afford to have children should have them, but that isn't a valid argument. As we both know, that hasn't been the case in the past, and there's no reason to believe it's going to be the case in the future. So what's it going to be? It seems far more appealing to the "fiscal conservative principles" that you ballyhoo all over the place to just go ahead and use the dollars to subsidize and/or fund the abortions. It'll save you, your taxpayer dollars, and society in general, from funding the lifetimes support of these children.
What say you? Pay now and be done with it, or pay for a lifetime of support?
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2012, 04:40:57 PM
I have NO idea what you're talking about.
She probably doesn't either. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
I have ALWAYS believed that abortions are wrong and always will be...........on a federal level, I am against any laws or notions of using taxpayers dollars for ANYTHING regarding Abortions.
I do not like the "pro-choice" stances of advocating for abortions.....If a woman wants one, then find a means of paying for it....through charities or other means than tax dollars. I support programs that promote adoptions and such.
So you're not pro-choice and really don't know much about it.
Re: Ol'Miss Doesn't Seem To Understand "NO"
« Reply #30 on: Today at 11:46:47 AM »
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Quote from: me on Today at 08:52:38 AM
It's all in the programing HH. :wink:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2012, 11:46:47 AM
No, it's all in the ability to read and comprehend. If Henry's stance is as he stated it in his response to me in this thread, then it has changed. Which is fine, but please be honest about it.
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QuoteQuote from: me on Today at 02:19:30 PM
Most things said are right out of the play book of what to do if someone disagrees with a liberal. I will repeat again, not everyone can or should agree on everything, it is not normal and will never happen. All those who disagree with liberals have their beliefs just as liberals have theirs and they should be respected and the person who disagrees should not be called names, have words twisted around to make them sound like some sort of monsters, and be called racists or bigots. Even those who change their minds and suddenly see the conservative point are subject to the same kind of thing as are blacks. I invite you to stand on the outside and look in for a change and see the absurdity of it all. It is a pure and simple tactic to try to shame and brow beat the opposition into submission. With some it may work but not for all by any means.
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I have NO idea what you're talking about.
Of course you don't it isn't in your programing. ;)
Quote from: The Troll on April 07, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Complex
Henry I was watch the program "TED" on the Science Channel. There was a noted physicist who was giving a talk about the symptom that some doctors, college professors, CEO, millionaires and billionaires plus electronic geniuses and washed upped old hags. It's called The God Complex.
As he talked a large picture of the Hawk and "ME" started appear on the TV screen. It fit you the twin so well and so complete I now know what I am up a against when conversing with you two people. He when on to say you the twins weren't completely nuts, but that with your closed minds there was nothing anyone could do for you until you opened your mind that possibly you could be wrong.
Since I have heard this lecture, I will not take you two so seriously again. Sorry I jumped over you two so badly. A mind is a terrible thing to lose. :yes: :'(
I think you meant to post the link to this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
:wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
...on a federal level, I am against any laws or notions of using taxpayers dollars for ANYTHING regarding Abortions.
And as I have pointed out previously, I am against paying for you to breed your hell-spawn vis-à-vis your being able to lower your tax liability by claiming them as dependents on your income taxes and sucking up my property tax dollars to pay for their schools! Where are my rights?
Quote from: The Troll on April 07, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Complex
Henry I was watch the program "TED" on the Science Channel. There was a noted physicist who was giving a talk about the symptom that some doctors, college professors, CEO, millionaires and billionaires plus electronic geniuses and washed upped old hags. It's called The God Complex.
As he talked a large picture of the Hawk and "ME" started appear on the TV screen. It fit you the twin so well and so complete I now know what I am up a against when conversing with you two people. He when on to say you the twins weren't completely nuts, but that with your closed minds there was nothing anyone could do for you until you opened your mind that possibly you could be wrong.
Since I have heard this lecture, I will not take you two so seriously again. Sorry I jumped over you two so badly. A mind is a terrible thing to lose. :yes: :'(
Quote from: Locutus on April 07, 2012, 05:50:22 PM
I think you meant to post the link to this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
:wink:
Thanks Locutus, I don't know why I have such a problem with getting the right link address. But like I said the Wikipedia definition of a person with the God Complex fit "ME" and Henry like a glove. As I watch the lecture I just couldn't get over how it defined Henry and :me: :haha: Just like a glove. But they are happy in their own mind. :wacko: It's to bad they didn't see it. :yes: :salute:
Quote from: me on April 07, 2012, 05:12:18 PM
Re: Ol'Miss Doesn't Seem To Understand "NO"
« Reply #30 on: Today at 11:46:47 AM »
Of course you don't it isn't in your programing. ;)
Schizophrenic much?
The thing is...these clowns are anything but over-achievers. They are, in fact, victims of those people and too stupid to know that the pain they're feeling is the shafting they're taking up the ass. Apparently, they like it!
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2012, 10:27:18 PM
The thing is...these clowns are anything but over-achievers. They are, in fact, victims of those people and too stupid to know that the pain they're feeling is the shafting they're taking up the ass. Apparently, they like it!
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2012, 10:26:21 PM
Schizophrenic much?
Quote from: The Troll on April 07, 2012, 08:09:46 PM
Thanks Locutus, I don't know why I have such a problem with getting the right link address. But like I said the Wikipedia definition of a person with the God Complex fit "ME" and Henry like a glove. As I watch the lecture I just couldn't get over how it defined Henry and :me: :haha: Just like a glove. But they are happy in their own mind. :wacko: It's to bad they didn't see it. :yes: :salute:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2012, 07:30:39 PM
And as I have pointed out previously, I am against paying for you to breed your hell-spawn vis-à-vis your being able to lower your tax liability by claiming them as dependents on your income taxes and sucking up my property tax dollars to pay for their schools! Where are my rights?
Quote from: Locutus on April 07, 2012, 05:50:22 PM
I think you meant to post the link to this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
:wink:
As the conversation gets twisted around to character assassinations to stay off of the topic rather than discuss it. Typical liberal tactic to avoid discussing the issue at hand.
:me: It must be that "God Complex" kicking in and it's not charter assassination, if you can't see the truth, to bad. For what I have been saying and Ex has been saying and a whole lot of other people is that--------> :zoners:
Check The God Complex on Wikipedia under "Hubris" it covers your opinion. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 02:28:05 AM
As the conversation gets twisted around to character assassinations to stay off of the topic rather than discuss it. Typical liberal tactic to avoid discussing the issue at hand.
It's pointless to try and discuss a topic with someone who knows nothing about it.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 08, 2012, 11:34:43 AM
It's pointless to try and discuss a topic with someone who knows nothing about it.
True so I guess discussing it with you and Troll is useless and the reason all the kindergarten trash talk has began.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 08, 2012, 11:34:43 AM
It's pointless to try and discuss a topic with someone who knows nothing about it.
then quit
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 02:28:05 AM
As the conversation gets twisted around to character assassinations to stay off of the topic rather than discuss it. Typical liberal tactic to avoid discussing the issue at hand.
And saying that our responses are a result of being programmed...is what?
Seriously, just try to keep up with what you say because keeping tabs on everyone else is confusing you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 08, 2012, 01:43:32 PM
then quit
Why? For one thing you never seen the Troll want to take his ball and bat and go home. You never seen the Troll cry about your attacks on him. But have many time have you. :confused:
All you two seem to do is try to pass all of the Republican talking points on us and we won't swallow it. Then you :sweatdrop: :groan: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :argue: :bs: :preach: :pope: :koolaid: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :deadhorse: :cry: :cry: :gha: Why don't you give up :uncle: and join the Right Side of Humanity. You would be happer. :jc: :tiphat:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 08, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
And saying that our responses are a result of being programmed...is what?
Seriously, just try to keep up with what you say because keeping tabs on everyone else is confusing you.
It's kind of hard to respond to an issue when there is nothing being discussed besides what I quoted which has nothing to do with the issue what-so-ever. Those are the responses ya'll gave not me or HH. If you think those comments were valid responses and discussing the issue then I'm not the one that's confused here.
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
It's kind of hard to respond to an issue when there is nothing being discussed besides what I quoted which has nothing to do with the issue what-so-ever. Those are the responses ya'll gave not me or HH. If you think those comments were valid responses and discussing the issue then I'm not the one that's confused here.
Huh? It must be the God Complex. Check under Fanaticism. :kiss: :love:
Quote from: The Troll on April 08, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Huh? It must be the God Complex. Check under Fanaticism. :kiss: :love:
And this has what to do with the issue? Point proved once again.
(CNN) -- Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday that would require any physician performing abortions in the state to be a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and to have admitting privileges at an area hospital.
The bill "should effectively close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi," said Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves in a statement. "This is a strong bill that will effectively end abortion in Mississippi." If the state's only abortion facility, Jackson Women's Health Organization, closes, Mississippi women seeking abortions would have to leave the state.
The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.
"We are going to do everything we can to remain there ... we are not going to let the women of Mississippi down," said Derzis.
Wednesday's vote by the state Senate is the latest in a string of attempts by lawmakers to close her facility, she said. Last year, the state introduced a bill known as the Personhood Amendment, which would have defined life as beginning at the moment of conception. The bill was defeated by voters in November.
Kirk Cameron on abortion
The bill is in a period for comment before it will be sent to Republican Gov. Phil Bryant, who has said he wants Mississippi to become "abortion-free."
"This legislation is an important step in strengthening abortion regulations and protecting the health and safety of women," he said after Wednesday's vote, in a statement.
"I am sick about this," said Felicia Brown-Williams, regional director of public policy for Planned Parenthood in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The bill "puts in place requirements that intentionally try to make it impossible for physicians to provide abortion services. ... Voters have already said that they want the government to stay out of decisions that should be made by a woman, her family and her physician."
She expressed hope the bill might not be sent to the governor. "We are asking Mississippians to reach out to their senators and ask them to reconsider their vote on this," she said.
Still, she acknowledged, the bill is likely to be tabled Thursday and then sent to Bryant.
There is no medical reason to require physicians performing abortions be board-certified OB/GYNs or that they have admitting privileges, Brown-Williams said. If the clinic stops offering abortion services because it is unable to find providers with those qualifications, the bill "would be a backdoor ban on abortion."
The Center for Reproductive Rights' state advocacy counsel, Jordan Goldberg, said that, if the goal of the legislation is to impose restrictions on abortion providers that are not imposed on other medical providers offering similar care, then "that would raise serious constitutional problems and a legal challenge would certainly be possible."
"It's not about medicine," she said. "It's just about politics."
Seven other states require abortion providers to have hospital privileges, but no other state requires that an abortion provider be an OB/GYN, said Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute in Washington. "This bill is an attempt to make it so difficult to become an abortion provider that no one will do it."
Though the 1973 Supreme Court landmark decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in all 50 states, Mississippi's bill could make the state the first where no abortions could be performed, she said.
"It's an attempt to eliminate access without taking on Roe directly."
In 2008, the last year for which data are available, 2,770 abortions were performed in the state, according to Guttmacher.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Why would that close the abortion clinic? What's wrong with having to be board certified.
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Starting a medical practice: Getting Hospital Privileges
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Starting a Medical Practice, Tips on Physician Job Search, Uncategorized
Many medical insurance companies will require MDs to hold hospital privileges to qualify to be part of their medical network. If you want to do surgical procedures or round at the hospital, hospital privileges are needed. Obtaining hospital privileges are easy as of now. Hospitals needs MDs to send patients to their health care facilities. So most hospitals will be very helpful in helping you get privileges.
Understand the two parts of hospital privileges approval process: Credentialing and Privileges determination. Credentialing is that part of the application process in which it is determined if the MD is qualified to get privileges. The hospital medical staff office double checks on medical school, residency training, background check etc. The second step is giving privileges to do certain things in the hospital. For example the hospital may give broad privileges to do almost everything in your specialty including admitting patients, performing procedures pertaining to your specialty , consult and so on. Or the hospital may decide to give limited privileges, restricting the physicians to perform only certain medical procedures. or function. Certain hospitals may have exclusive association with a particular medical practice. And if you don't belong to that exclusive medical practice, the hospital may allow you no privileges or some privileges. Yes! Welcome to the world of medical politics.
These are the steps to get hospital privileges:
STEP 1: Call the 'medical staff office' of the hospital and get a privilege application.
STEP 2: Fill and Submit it back to the medical staff office.
STEP 3: Follow up with your references to make sure they mailed the recommendations back to the hospital.
STEP 4: Make sure medical office has everything they need on your file, prior to the next credentialing committee meeting.
There are different types of hospital privileges. You may want to chose which is best suited for you:
Courtesy Privileges: Courtesy hospital privileges limit the physician to admitting only a nominal number of patients to the hospital. It still satisfies most medical insurance companies requirement for physicians to hold hospital privileges. Physicians are usually exempt from attending medical staff meetings. Such privilege is used by physicians who do not expect to admit patients to the hospital or do procedures there.
Full Privileges: Under this category physicians are allowed to admit unlimited number of patients to the hospital. Physicians are usually given all the privileges needed to perform 'core procedures' of their medical specialty. Physicians are also required to attend a required number of medical staff meeting regularly. Now, if a physician is board certified, which is only logical and the article states they are, what is the big deal about at least getting hospital admitting privileges?
The hospital privileges are renewed every few years. Currently it is done automatically, as long as physician's morbidity or mortality rate is not too high as compared to their peers. But starting 2008, JCAHO is now requiring hospitals to develop criteria to renew hospital privileges every year based on measured criteria such as mortality rate, patient satisfaction score, complication rate, and, yes! believe it or not, even handwriting legibility. So holding on to the privileges will become quite a chore in the near future.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 08, 2012, 01:43:32 PM
then quit
There's a difference between attempting to discuss a subject with you and refuting your lies and right-wing propaganda.
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
(CNN) -- Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday that would require any physician performing abortions in the state to be a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and to have admitting privileges at an area hospital.
The bill "should effectively close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi," said Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves in a statement. "This is a strong bill that will effectively end abortion in Mississippi." If the state's only abortion facility, Jackson Women's Health Organization, closes, Mississippi women seeking abortions would have to leave the state.
The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.
"We are going to do everything we can to remain there ... we are not going to let the women of Mississippi down," said Derzis.
Wednesday's vote by the state Senate is the latest in a string of attempts by lawmakers to close her facility, she said. Last year, the state introduced a bill known as the Personhood Amendment, which would have defined life as beginning at the moment of conception. The bill was defeated by voters in November.
Kirk Cameron on abortion
The bill is in a period for comment before it will be sent to Republican Gov. Phil Bryant, who has said he wants Mississippi to become "abortion-free."
"This legislation is an important step in strengthening abortion regulations and protecting the health and safety of women," he said after Wednesday's vote, in a statement.
"I am sick about this," said Felicia Brown-Williams, regional director of public policy for Planned Parenthood in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The bill "puts in place requirements that intentionally try to make it impossible for physicians to provide abortion services. ... Voters have already said that they want the government to stay out of decisions that should be made by a woman, her family and her physician."
She expressed hope the bill might not be sent to the governor. "We are asking Mississippians to reach out to their senators and ask them to reconsider their vote on this," she said.
Still, she acknowledged, the bill is likely to be tabled Thursday and then sent to Bryant.
There is no medical reason to require physicians performing abortions be board-certified OB/GYNs or that they have admitting privileges, Brown-Williams said. If the clinic stops offering abortion services because it is unable to find providers with those qualifications, the bill "would be a backdoor ban on abortion."
The Center for Reproductive Rights' state advocacy counsel, Jordan Goldberg, said that, if the goal of the legislation is to impose restrictions on abortion providers that are not imposed on other medical providers offering similar care, then "that would raise serious constitutional problems and a legal challenge would certainly be possible."
"It's not about medicine," she said. "It's just about politics."
Seven other states require abortion providers to have hospital privileges, but no other state requires that an abortion provider be an OB/GYN, said Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute in Washington. "This bill is an attempt to make it so difficult to become an abortion provider that no one will do it."
Though the 1973 Supreme Court landmark decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in all 50 states, Mississippi's bill could make the state the first where no abortions could be performed, she said.
"It's an attempt to eliminate access without taking on Roe directly."
In 2008, the last year for which data are available, 2,770 abortions were performed in the state, according to Guttmacher.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Why would that close the abortion clinic? What's wrong with having to be board certified.
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http://www.careermedicine.com/2007/10/starting-a-medical-practice-getting-hospital-privileges/
Starting a medical practice: Getting Hospital Privileges
Written by admin on October 29, 2007 - 0 Comments
Starting a Medical Practice, Tips on Physician Job Search, Uncategorized
Many medical insurance companies will require MDs to hold hospital privileges to qualify to be part of their medical network. If you want to do surgical procedures or round at the hospital, hospital privileges are needed. Obtaining hospital privileges are easy as of now. Hospitals needs MDs to send patients to their health care facilities. So most hospitals will be very helpful in helping you get privileges.
Understand the two parts of hospital privileges approval process: Credentialing and Privileges determination. Credentialing is that part of the application process in which it is determined if the MD is qualified to get privileges. The hospital medical staff office double checks on medical school, residency training, background check etc. The second step is giving privileges to do certain things in the hospital. For example the hospital may give broad privileges to do almost everything in your specialty including admitting patients, performing procedures pertaining to your specialty , consult and so on. Or the hospital may decide to give limited privileges, restricting the physicians to perform only certain medical procedures. or function. Certain hospitals may have exclusive association with a particular medical practice. And if you don't belong to that exclusive medical practice, the hospital may allow you no privileges or some privileges. Yes! Welcome to the world of medical politics.
These are the steps to get hospital privileges:
STEP 1: Call the 'medical staff office' of the hospital and get a privilege application.
STEP 2: Fill and Submit it back to the medical staff office.
STEP 3: Follow up with your references to make sure they mailed the recommendations back to the hospital.
STEP 4: Make sure medical office has everything they need on your file, prior to the next credentialing committee meeting.
There are different types of hospital privileges. You may want to chose which is best suited for you:
Courtesy Privileges: Courtesy hospital privileges limit the physician to admitting only a nominal number of patients to the hospital. It still satisfies most medical insurance companies requirement for physicians to hold hospital privileges. Physicians are usually exempt from attending medical staff meetings. Such privilege is used by physicians who do not expect to admit patients to the hospital or do procedures there.
Full Privileges: Under this category physicians are allowed to admit unlimited number of patients to the hospital. Physicians are usually given all the privileges needed to perform 'core procedures' of their medical specialty. Physicians are also required to attend a required number of medical staff meeting regularly. Now, if a physician is board certified, which is only logical and the article states they are, what is the big deal about at least getting hospital admitting privileges?
The hospital privileges are renewed every few years. Currently it is done automatically, as long as physician's morbidity or mortality rate is not too high as compared to their peers. But starting 2008, JCAHO is now requiring hospitals to develop criteria to renew hospital privileges every year based on measured criteria such as mortality rate, patient satisfaction score, complication rate, and, yes! believe it or not, even handwriting legibility. So holding on to the privileges will become quite a chore in the near future.
I won't bring up this piece of shit this bunch of Christian Right Wing Bastard Republicans passed. But they just to a woman's right to get abortion in the State of Mississippi. :rant:
:me: Now are you happy dumbass. I sure would like to bring some true justice to assholes like you. :rant: :angry:
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
(CNN) -- Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday that would require any physician performing abortions in the state to be a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and to have admitting privileges at an area hospital.
The bill "should effectively close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi," said Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves in a statement. "This is a strong bill that will effectively end abortion in Mississippi." If the state's only abortion facility, Jackson Women's Health Organization, closes, Mississippi women seeking abortions would have to leave the state.
The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.
"We are going to do everything we can to remain there ... we are not going to let the women of Mississippi down," said Derzis.
Wednesday's vote by the state Senate is the latest in a string of attempts by lawmakers to close her facility, she said. Last year, the state introduced a bill known as the Personhood Amendment, which would have defined life as beginning at the moment of conception. The bill was defeated by voters in November.
Kirk Cameron on abortion
The bill is in a period for comment before it will be sent to Republican Gov. Phil Bryant, who has said he wants Mississippi to become "abortion-free."
"This legislation is an important step in strengthening abortion regulations and protecting the health and safety of women," he said after Wednesday's vote, in a statement.
"I am sick about this," said Felicia Brown-Williams, regional director of public policy for Planned Parenthood in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The bill "puts in place requirements that intentionally try to make it impossible for physicians to provide abortion services. ... Voters have already said that they want the government to stay out of decisions that should be made by a woman, her family and her physician."
She expressed hope the bill might not be sent to the governor. "We are asking Mississippians to reach out to their senators and ask them to reconsider their vote on this," she said.
Still, she acknowledged, the bill is likely to be tabled Thursday and then sent to Bryant.
There is no medical reason to require physicians performing abortions be board-certified OB/GYNs or that they have admitting privileges, Brown-Williams said. If the clinic stops offering abortion services because it is unable to find providers with those qualifications, the bill "would be a backdoor ban on abortion."
The Center for Reproductive Rights' state advocacy counsel, Jordan Goldberg, said that, if the goal of the legislation is to impose restrictions on abortion providers that are not imposed on other medical providers offering similar care, then "that would raise serious constitutional problems and a legal challenge would certainly be possible."
"It's not about medicine," she said. "It's just about politics."
Seven other states require abortion providers to have hospital privileges, but no other state requires that an abortion provider be an OB/GYN, said Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute in Washington. "This bill is an attempt to make it so difficult to become an abortion provider that no one will do it."
Though the 1973 Supreme Court landmark decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in all 50 states, Mississippi's bill could make the state the first where no abortions could be performed, she said.
"It's an attempt to eliminate access without taking on Roe directly."
In 2008, the last year for which data are available, 2,770 abortions were performed in the state, according to Guttmacher.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Why would that close the abortion clinic? What's wrong with having to be board certified.
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http://www.careermedicine.com/2007/10/starting-a-medical-practice-getting-hospital-privileges/
Starting a medical practice: Getting Hospital Privileges
Written by admin on October 29, 2007 - 0 Comments
Starting a Medical Practice, Tips on Physician Job Search, Uncategorized
Many medical insurance companies will require MDs to hold hospital privileges to qualify to be part of their medical network. If you want to do surgical procedures or round at the hospital, hospital privileges are needed. Obtaining hospital privileges are easy as of now. Hospitals needs MDs to send patients to their health care facilities. So most hospitals will be very helpful in helping you get privileges.
Understand the two parts of hospital privileges approval process: Credentialing and Privileges determination. Credentialing is that part of the application process in which it is determined if the MD is qualified to get privileges. The hospital medical staff office double checks on medical school, residency training, background check etc. The second step is giving privileges to do certain things in the hospital. For example the hospital may give broad privileges to do almost everything in your specialty including admitting patients, performing procedures pertaining to your specialty , consult and so on. Or the hospital may decide to give limited privileges, restricting the physicians to perform only certain medical procedures. or function. Certain hospitals may have exclusive association with a particular medical practice. And if you don't belong to that exclusive medical practice, the hospital may allow you no privileges or some privileges. Yes! Welcome to the world of medical politics.
These are the steps to get hospital privileges:
STEP 1: Call the 'medical staff office' of the hospital and get a privilege application.
STEP 2: Fill and Submit it back to the medical staff office.
STEP 3: Follow up with your references to make sure they mailed the recommendations back to the hospital.
STEP 4: Make sure medical office has everything they need on your file, prior to the next credentialing committee meeting.
There are different types of hospital privileges. You may want to chose which is best suited for you:
Courtesy Privileges: Courtesy hospital privileges limit the physician to admitting only a nominal number of patients to the hospital. It still satisfies most medical insurance companies requirement for physicians to hold hospital privileges. Physicians are usually exempt from attending medical staff meetings. Such privilege is used by physicians who do not expect to admit patients to the hospital or do procedures there.
Full Privileges: Under this category physicians are allowed to admit unlimited number of patients to the hospital. Physicians are usually given all the privileges needed to perform 'core procedures' of their medical specialty. Physicians are also required to attend a required number of medical staff meeting regularly. Now, if a physician is board certified, which is only logical and the article states they are, what is the big deal about at least getting hospital admitting privileges?
The hospital privileges are renewed every few years. Currently it is done automatically, as long as physician's morbidity or mortality rate is not too high as compared to their peers. But starting 2008, JCAHO is now requiring hospitals to develop criteria to renew hospital privileges every year based on measured criteria such as mortality rate, patient satisfaction score, complication rate, and, yes! believe it or not, even handwriting legibility. So holding on to the privileges will become quite a chore in the near future.
It must be the God Complex at work. Just look at the last :@#%&: Post. :yes:
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
(CNN) -- Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday that would require any physician performing abortions in the state to be a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and to have admitting privileges at an area hospital.
The bill "should effectively close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi," said Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves in a statement. "This is a strong bill that will effectively end abortion in Mississippi." If the state's only abortion facility, Jackson Women's Health Organization, closes, Mississippi women seeking abortions would have to leave the state.
The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.
"We are going to do everything we can to remain there ... we are not going to let the women of Mississippi down," said Derzis.
Wednesday's vote by the state Senate is the latest in a string of attempts by lawmakers to close her facility, she said. Last year, the state introduced a bill known as the Personhood Amendment, which would have defined life as beginning at the moment of conception. The bill was defeated by voters in November.
Kirk Cameron on abortion
The bill is in a period for comment before it will be sent to Republican Gov. Phil Bryant, who has said he wants Mississippi to become "abortion-free."
"This legislation is an important step in strengthening abortion regulations and protecting the health and safety of women," he said after Wednesday's vote, in a statement.
"I am sick about this," said Felicia Brown-Williams, regional director of public policy for Planned Parenthood in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The bill "puts in place requirements that intentionally try to make it impossible for physicians to provide abortion services. ... Voters have already said that they want the government to stay out of decisions that should be made by a woman, her family and her physician."
She expressed hope the bill might not be sent to the governor. "We are asking Mississippians to reach out to their senators and ask them to reconsider their vote on this," she said.
Still, she acknowledged, the bill is likely to be tabled Thursday and then sent to Bryant.
There is no medical reason to require physicians performing abortions be board-certified OB/GYNs or that they have admitting privileges, Brown-Williams said. If the clinic stops offering abortion services because it is unable to find providers with those qualifications, the bill "would be a backdoor ban on abortion."
The Center for Reproductive Rights' state advocacy counsel, Jordan Goldberg, said that, if the goal of the legislation is to impose restrictions on abortion providers that are not imposed on other medical providers offering similar care, then "that would raise serious constitutional problems and a legal challenge would certainly be possible."
"It's not about medicine," she said. "It's just about politics."
Seven other states require abortion providers to have hospital privileges, but no other state requires that an abortion provider be an OB/GYN, said Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute in Washington. "This bill is an attempt to make it so difficult to become an abortion provider that no one will do it."
Though the 1973 Supreme Court landmark decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in all 50 states, Mississippi's bill could make the state the first where no abortions could be performed, she said.
"It's an attempt to eliminate access without taking on Roe directly."
In 2008, the last year for which data are available, 2,770 abortions were performed in the state, according to Guttmacher.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Why would that close the abortion clinic? What's wrong with having to be board certified.
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http://www.careermedicine.com/2007/10/starting-a-medical-practice-getting-hospital-privileges/
Starting a medical practice: Getting Hospital Privileges
Written by admin on October 29, 2007 - 0 Comments
Starting a Medical Practice, Tips on Physician Job Search, Uncategorized
Many medical insurance companies will require MDs to hold hospital privileges to qualify to be part of their medical network. If you want to do surgical procedures or round at the hospital, hospital privileges are needed. Obtaining hospital privileges are easy as of now. Hospitals needs MDs to send patients to their health care facilities. So most hospitals will be very helpful in helping you get privileges.
Understand the two parts of hospital privileges approval process: Credentialing and Privileges determination. Credentialing is that part of the application process in which it is determined if the MD is qualified to get privileges. The hospital medical staff office double checks on medical school, residency training, background check etc. The second step is giving privileges to do certain things in the hospital. For example the hospital may give broad privileges to do almost everything in your specialty including admitting patients, performing procedures pertaining to your specialty , consult and so on. Or the hospital may decide to give limited privileges, restricting the physicians to perform only certain medical procedures. or function. Certain hospitals may have exclusive association with a particular medical practice. And if you don't belong to that exclusive medical practice, the hospital may allow you no privileges or some privileges. Yes! Welcome to the world of medical politics.
These are the steps to get hospital privileges:
STEP 1: Call the 'medical staff office' of the hospital and get a privilege application.
STEP 2: Fill and Submit it back to the medical staff office.
STEP 3: Follow up with your references to make sure they mailed the recommendations back to the hospital.
STEP 4: Make sure medical office has everything they need on your file, prior to the next credentialing committee meeting.
There are different types of hospital privileges. You may want to chose which is best suited for you:
Courtesy Privileges: Courtesy hospital privileges limit the physician to admitting only a nominal number of patients to the hospital. It still satisfies most medical insurance companies requirement for physicians to hold hospital privileges. Physicians are usually exempt from attending medical staff meetings. Such privilege is used by physicians who do not expect to admit patients to the hospital or do procedures there.
Full Privileges: Under this category physicians are allowed to admit unlimited number of patients to the hospital. Physicians are usually given all the privileges needed to perform 'core procedures' of their medical specialty. Physicians are also required to attend a required number of medical staff meeting regularly. Now, if a physician is board certified, which is only logical and the article states they are, what is the big deal about at least getting hospital admitting privileges?
The hospital privileges are renewed every few years. Currently it is done automatically, as long as physician's morbidity or mortality rate is not too high as compared to their peers. But starting 2008, JCAHO is now requiring hospitals to develop criteria to renew hospital privileges every year based on measured criteria such as mortality rate, patient satisfaction score, complication rate, and, yes! believe it or not, even handwriting legibility. So holding on to the privileges will become quite a chore in the near future.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that this latest piece of legislation in Mississippi is anything but an attempt at an end run around Roe vs. Wade? The people who passed it have essentially said as much!
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2012, 08:04:14 AM
Are you seriously trying to suggest that this latest piece of legislation in Mississippi is anything but an attempt at an end run around Roe vs. Wade? The people who passed it have essentially said as much!
Why would that close the abortion clinic? What's wrong with having to be board certified.
Just can't seem to let go of the minutia and grasp the bigger picture; can you?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2012, 09:20:29 AM
Just can't seem to let go of the minutia and grasp the bigger picture; can you?
An abortion is a surgical procedure and there are complications which could arise as with all surgeries. If the surgeon who is doing the abortion is not really a surgeon but instead a nurse practitioner or some Joe Blow off the street who has passed himself off as a surgeon that would put the woman's life in danger should something come up. Having to be board certified means they have passed a test to show they are qualified. What is wrong with that? Also if something comes up and the one doctor who has admitting privileges can't be reached what happens? Seems to me as though it's you who can't grasp the big picture.
No other state requires that a doctor performing abortions must be an OB GYN, and yet all of the doctors at the Mississippi facility are OB GYN's.
Medical specialty certification in the United States is a voluntary process. While medical licensure sets the minimum competency requirements to diagnose and treat patients,
awesome arguing!
who is ahead?
i got confused on page 3
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
No other state requires that a doctor performing abortions must be an OB GYN, and yet all of the doctors at the Mississippi facility are OB GYN's.
Medical specialty certification in the United States is a voluntary process. While medical licensure sets the minimum competency requirements to diagnose and treat patients,
Then there should be no problem getting staff privileges for admitting patients. That is a lame point to say the least.
Quote from: me on April 09, 2012, 08:51:37 AM
Why would that close the abortion clinic? What's wrong with having to be board certified.
We're on to you "ME" and Henry. You people don't give a damn about women who need an abortion. You people want to stop abortions. But you're are too damn cheap and heartless to take care of the unwanted children when they are born. I really can't think of a name for people of your ILK. :mad: :mad:
Today I am going to start a new policy. I am not going to argue with "ME" and The Hawk anymore. It is an exercise in futility. When you spend the time to debate with someone who has not one ounce of common sense, intelligence in world affairs, the economy, read between the lines of what the rich is doing to the workers and jobs and how the Rich and the Super Rich Corporations are controlling America with an Iron Fist, buying Washington DC, there is no reasoning with a fool and Sheeple. You can surly believe they can :azz: :haha: :haha:
The next time they write something off the wall, the Republican talking points or something stupid. I am going to answer with a short number of sarcastic and inflammantory words. Just to let you know I am still listening to their stupidity and foolishness. :biggrin: :tiphat: :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on April 09, 2012, 12:41:14 PM
Today I am going to start a new policy. I am not going to argue with "ME" and The Hawk anymore.
Thank you!!!
btw, I care very much about women....I care very much about babies being killed, needlessly....If as much money was put into adoptions as there was abortions....it would make a lot of people happy, who WANT to adopt.....and not kill millions of babies every years.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2012, 12:53:02 PM
....If as much money was put into adoptions as there was abortions....
Not very good at math; are you?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2012, 12:57:34 PM
Not very good at math; are you?
Perhaps I should have said "attention"....that is more of what I mean.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2012, 12:57:34 PM
Not very good at math; are you?
You're right on that. There is some people who want to set back and let other people put out their dollars when it comes to taking care of these unwanted pregnantcys for nine months.. Wouldn't thinking of adopting one of the unwanted babies. It cost to much for the tight assess. :yes: :smile:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
Perhaps I should have said "attention"....that is more of what I mean.
Have you spent any time actually researching the number of people who are actively seeking to adopt children and compared those numbers to the number of abortions performed? I think you'll find that if abortion were not allowed, the supply of unwanted babies would far exceed the demand.
This is an older paper but the points made are still valid; the numbers are just higher now: http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/cduncan/230/adoption.htm
Quote from: The Troll on April 09, 2012, 12:41:14 PM
We're on to you "ME" and Henry. You people don't give a damn about women who need an abortion. You people want to stop abortions. But you're are too damn cheap and heartless to take care of the unwanted children when they are born. I really can't think of a name for people of your ILK. :mad: :mad:
Today I am going to start a new policy. I am not going to argue with "ME" and The Hawk anymore. It is an exercise in futility. When you spend the time to debate with someone who has not one ounce of common sense, intelligence in world affairs, the economy, read between the lines of what the rich is doing to the workers and jobs and how the Rich and the Super Rich Corporations are controlling America with an Iron Fist, buying Washington DC, there is no reasoning with a fool and Sheeple. You can surly believe they can :azz: :haha: :haha:
The next time they write something off the wall, the Republican talking points or something stupid. I am going to answer with a short number of sarcastic and inflammantory words. Just to let you know I am still listening to their stupidity and foolishness. :biggrin: :tiphat: :salute:
That's all you know how to do anyway so what's new?
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 10:08:13 AM
No other state requires that a doctor performing abortions must be an OB GYN, and yet all of the doctors at the Mississippi facility are OB GYN's.
Medical specialty certification in the United States is a voluntary process. While medical licensure sets the minimum competency requirements to diagnose and treat patients,
Quote from: me on April 09, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
Then there should be no problem getting staff privileges for admitting patients. That is a lame point to say the least.
You cannot see the forest for the trees can you. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
You cannot see the forest for the trees can you. . .
http://patients.about.com/od/doctorsandproviders/a/boardcertificat.htm
Doesn't look all that complicated to me and it doesn't take that much to get hospital admitting privileges. No matter how you try to twist it sure seems like all these things are for the protection of the woman rather than a means to shut down the clinic. Have you ever asked yourself what kind of doctors work in an abortion clinic anyway? If they could make it in private practice they would be too busy to work at a clinic even part time. Those are not your top of the line doctors by any means.
Not only that but this controversy has been going on for years even before this came up.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002132445_abortion28.html
More God Complex bullshit. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 09, 2012, 05:34:03 PM
http://patients.about.com/od/doctorsandproviders/a/boardcertificat.htm
Doesn't look all that complicated to me and it doesn't take that much to get hospital admitting privileges. No matter how you try to twist it sure seems like all these things are for the protection of the woman rather than a means to shut down the clinic. Have you ever asked yourself what kind of doctors work in an abortion clinic anyway? If they could make it in private practice they would be too busy to work at a clinic even part time. Those are not your top of the line doctors by any means.
Not only that but this controversy has been going on for years even before this came up.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002132445_abortion28.html
Quote from: The Troll on April 09, 2012, 07:18:16 PM
More God Complex bullshit. :rolleyes:
Nope just a spin buster. Read it Troll read it. Not a new controversy at all. There are also some interesting stats in the article but they would probably just slide right past you.
Quote from: me on April 09, 2012, 05:34:03 PM
http://patients.about.com/od/doctorsandproviders/a/boardcertificat.htm
Doesn't look all that complicated to me and it doesn't take that much to get hospital admitting privileges. No matter how you try to twist it sure seems like all these things are for the protection of the woman rather than a means to shut down the clinic. Have you ever asked yourself what kind of doctors work in an abortion clinic anyway? If they could make it in private practice they would be too busy to work at a clinic even part time. Those are not your top of the line doctors by any means.
Not only that but this controversy has been going on for years even before this came up.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002132445_abortion28.html
Of course it doesn't look complicated to you! :rolleyes:
Maybe we'll just go ahead and close down the only abortion clinic in Mississippi, and then the 2,700 + women who will need abortions this year can either go to a neighboring state to get them, or have "Louie" do it in the basement with a coat hanger.
Maybe that's what is wanted here. . .more women admitted to local hospitals due to pelvic infections and profuse bleeding without any form of traceability surrounding who butchered the women. . .
Troll is right on this one. Clearly enough of these idiots backing the state on this topic need to go back and study history, and remind themselves of the butchery inflicted upon women before abortion became legal in this country. See just how many young women died or were rendered barren by the coat hanger method.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 07:57:25 PM
Maybe we'll just go ahead and close down the only abortion clinic in Mississippi, and then the 2,700 + women who will need abortions this year can either go to a neighboring state to get them, or have "Louie" do it in the basement with a coat hanger.
Maybe that's what is wanted here. . .more women admitted to local hospitals due to pelvic infections and profuse bleeding without any form of traceability surrounding who butchered the women. . .
Troll is right on this one. Clearly enough of these idiots backing the state on this topic need to go back and study history, and remind themselves of the butchery inflicted upon women before abortion became legal in this country. See just how many young women died or were rendered barren by the coat hanger method.
Yes Pale Horse there are people who can't mind their business and keep it out of someone Else's life. These people want to shove their morals down our throats.
But there is one thing we don't need is more dumb ass people in Mississippi. Can you imagine what these unwanted children will be when they become teenagers. In Brazil there is no abortion and when these unwanted teenagers had a late abortion. Brazil had death squads combing the alleys and shooting them in the head. They were unwanted, unneeded and trouble. It sounds like this would be in the platform in the Republican Party.
You just watch this is going to happen again, especially in Mississippi. One of the lowest paid and the lowest educated people in America. It figures doesn't it. :(
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 07:57:25 PM
Maybe we'll just go ahead and close down the only abortion clinic in Mississippi, and then the 2,700 + women who will need abortions this year can either go to a neighboring state to get them, or have "Louie" do it in the basement with a coat hanger.
Maybe that's what is wanted here. . .more women admitted to local hospitals due to pelvic infections and profuse bleeding without any form of traceability surrounding who butchered the women. . .
Troll is right on this one. Clearly enough of these idiots backing the state on this topic need to go back and study history, and remind themselves of the butchery inflicted upon women before abortion became legal in this country. See just how many young women died or were rendered barren by the coat hanger method.
In case you didn't read the article a lot of women who can't afford the clinic do that anyway. The law is trying to make it safer not close the clinic down. If they can't pass the test to become board certified I'm not sure they would be any better than going to Louis in the alley they would just be doing it with regular surgical instruments instead of hangers.
What would be so complicated about just getting admitting privileges? It's not like they want them on staff to treat patients too.
Quote from: The Troll on April 09, 2012, 08:11:59 PM
Yes Pale Horse there are people who can't mind their business and keep it out of someone Else's life. These people want to shove their morals down our throats.
But there is one thing we don't need is more dumb ass people in Mississippi. Can you imagine what these unwanted children will be when they become teenagers. In Brazil there is no abortion and when these unwanted teenagers had a late abortion. Brazil had death squads combing the alleys and shooting them in the head. They were unwanted, unneeded and trouble. It sounds like this would be in the platform in the Republican Party.
You just watch this is going to happen again, especially in Mississippi. One of the lowest paid and the lowest educated people in America. It figures doesn't it. :(
And you call me a racist and a bigot???? Get real. That is the most rude uncalled for comment I've seen lately.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
You cannot see the forest for the trees can you. . .
Don't waste your time; you can't fix stupid.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
Don't waste your time; you can't fix stupid.
Ya, but like I told Troll, HH and I won't give up on you there is a glimmer of hope every now and then. :razz:
Quote from: me on April 09, 2012, 08:42:07 PM
In case you didn't read the article a lot of women who can't afford the clinic do that anyway. The law is trying to make it safer not close the clinic down. If they can't pass the test to become board certified I'm not sure they would be any better than going to Louis in the alley they would just be doing it with regular surgical instruments instead of hangers.
What would be so complicated about just getting admitting privileges? It's not like they want them on staff to treat patients too.
I'm not so sure an almost 8 year old article is really "current" information. . . however I will submit that if they were going to the coat hanger then, it will get worse once they shut down this clinic.
How do you know what a hospital in Mississippi's requirements are for admitting privileges? What is the amount of malpractice insurance required to be carried for said privileges. What other requirements are in place?
The fact is most hospitals have a unique policy surrounding admitting privileges for doctors who are not on staff, and some require that admitting doctors actually be on staff.
So it's NOT as simple as you would like everyone to believe it is. In fact I dare say it is far more complex.
(Although anyone with proper healthcare insurance can pretty much walk into an emergency room and be admitted should their condition require it.)
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 10:46:55 PM
I'm not so sure an almost 8 year old article is really "current" information. . . however I will submit that if they were going to the coat hanger then, it will get worse once they shut down this clinic.
How do you know what a hospital in Mississippi's requirements are for admitting privileges? What is the amount of malpractice insurance required to be carried for said privileges. What other requirements are in place?
The fact is most hospitals have a unique policy surrounding admitting privileges for doctors who are not on staff, and some require that admitting doctors actually be on staff.
So it's NOT as simple as you would like everyone to believe it is. In fact I dare say it is far more complex.
(Although anyone with proper healthcare insurance can pretty much walk into an emergency room and be admitted should their condition require it.)
It's a little hard for a woman who is hemorrhaging to "walk" into an emergency room and admit herself.
I have tried several different search engines, google being one, and entered it several different ways and all that comes up is crap about the clinic possibly having to close or general info about getting staff privileges like I posted.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2012, 10:46:55 PM
The fact is most hospitals have a unique policy surrounding admitting privileges for doctors who are not on staff, and some require that admitting doctors actually be on staff.
The fact is that it is clear to any thinking person that the intent of this legislation is to make the requirements so onerous that it becomes impossible for the clinic to remain open. The suggestion that these bible-thumping politicians are trying to make it safer for the women they see as "baby-killers" is laughable.
In Mississippi there is probably no hospitals that do abortions. If they had a doctor who did abortions on the outside, the hospital would fire him or her. These asshole that passed this bill knows that. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on April 10, 2012, 08:53:17 AM
In Mississippi there is probably no hospitals that do abortions. If they had a doctor who did abortions on the outside, the hospital would fire him or her. These asshole that passed this bill knows that. :rant:
One of the doctors at the clinic does have admitting privileges. Having admitting privileges doesn't necessarily mean a dr. in on staff.
Quote from: me on April 10, 2012, 12:24:24 AM
It's a little hard for a woman who is hemorrhaging to "walk" into an emergency room and admit herself.
I have tried several different search engines, google being one, and entered it several different ways and all that comes up is crap about the clinic possibly having to close or general info about getting staff privileges like I posted.
Nice, take things literally when it benefits you to do so. . . :rolleyes: You know what I meant.
You cannot find it because hospitals are now businesses that are for profit. They don't have to publish their policies and procedures.
My sister is an administrator at a Chicago Hospital and she has told me about their policies surrounding a non-staff doctor obtaining admitting privileges. . . You'd have a fit if you knew. . .
Quote from: The Troll on April 10, 2012, 08:53:17 AM
In Mississippi there is probably no hospitals that do abortions. If they had a doctor who did abortions on the outside, the hospital would fire him or her. These asshole that passed this bill knows that. :rant:
Especially if the name of the hospital starts with "Saint".
Quote from: Palehorse on April 10, 2012, 11:52:57 AM
Especially if the name of the hospital starts with "Saint".
Catholics are very set in their ways because of the old "Virgin" leaders. But the Southern Baptist and the other brain dead religious nuts down there are worse. :doh: :wall: :hang:
Quote from: me on April 08, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
It's kind of hard to respond to an issue when there is nothing being discussed besides what I quoted which has nothing to do with the issue what-so-ever. Those are the responses ya'll gave not me or HH. If you think those comments were valid responses and discussing the issue then I'm not the one that's confused here.
So that I'm clear, it's okay to be off topic and name-call as long as your're defending Henry. I just want to be sure there's a valid reason for the double standard. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 10, 2012, 06:37:11 PM
So that I'm clear, it's okay to be off topic and name-call as long as your're defending Henry. I just want to be sure there's a valid reason for the double standard. :rolleyes:
Sandy do you think the Republicans have declared war on woman? :nono:
Even tho "ME" won't answer this, do you think men should rule women like the Republicans seen to want too? :wink: :smile: