Ol'Miss Doesn't Seem To Understand "NO"

[The Troll]

  It must be the God Complex at work.  Just look at the last Post.   

[me]

(CNN) -- Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday that would require any physician performing abortions in the state to be a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and to have admitting privileges at an area hospital.

The bill "should effectively close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi," said Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves in a statement. "This is a strong bill that will effectively end abortion in Mississippi." If the state's only abortion facility, Jackson Women's Health Organization, closes, Mississippi women seeking abortions would have to leave the state.

The clinic's owner, Diane Derzis, said in a telephone interview that all her doctors are obstetrician-gynecologists, but only one has admitting privileges at an area hospital. She vowed to fight to remain open.

"We are going to do everything we can to remain there ... we are not going to let the women of Mississippi down," said Derzis.

Wednesday's vote by the state Senate is the latest in a string of attempts by lawmakers to close her facility, she said. Last year, the state introduced a bill known as the Personhood Amendment, which would have defined life as beginning at the moment of conception. The bill was defeated by voters in November.
Kirk Cameron on abortion

The bill is in a period for comment before it will be sent to Republican Gov. Phil Bryant, who has said he wants Mississippi to become "abortion-free."

"This legislation is an important step in strengthening abortion regulations and protecting the health and safety of women," he said after Wednesday's vote, in a statement.

"I am sick about this," said Felicia Brown-Williams, regional director of public policy for Planned Parenthood in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The bill "puts in place requirements that intentionally try to make it impossible for physicians to provide abortion services. ... Voters have already said that they want the government to stay out of decisions that should be made by a woman, her family and her physician."

She expressed hope the bill might not be sent to the governor. "We are asking Mississippians to reach out to their senators and ask them to reconsider their vote on this," she said.

Still, she acknowledged, the bill is likely to be tabled Thursday and then sent to Bryant.

There is no medical reason to require physicians performing abortions be board-certified OB/GYNs or that they have admitting privileges, Brown-Williams said. If the clinic stops offering abortion services because it is unable to find providers with those qualifications, the bill "would be a backdoor ban on abortion."

The Center for Reproductive Rights' state advocacy counsel, Jordan Goldberg, said that, if the goal of the legislation is to impose restrictions on abortion providers that are not imposed on other medical providers offering similar care, then "that would raise serious constitutional problems and a legal challenge would certainly be possible."

"It's not about medicine," she said. "It's just about politics."

Seven other states require abortion providers to have hospital privileges, but no other state requires that an abortion provider be an OB/GYN, said Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute in Washington. "This bill is an attempt to make it so difficult to become an abortion provider that no one will do it."

Though the 1973 Supreme Court landmark decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in all 50 states, Mississippi's bill could make the state the first where no abortions could be performed, she said.

"It's an attempt to eliminate access without taking on Roe directly."

In 2008, the last year for which data are available, 2,770 abortions were performed in the state, according to Guttmacher.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Why would that close the abortion clinic?  What's wrong with having to be board certified. 
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Starting a medical practice: Getting Hospital Privileges

Written by admin on October 29, 2007 - 0 Comments
Starting a Medical Practice, Tips on Physician Job Search, Uncategorized

Many medical insurance companies will require MDs to hold hospital privileges to qualify to be part of their medical network.  If you want to do surgical procedures or round at the hospital, hospital privileges are needed. Obtaining hospital privileges are easy as of now. Hospitals needs MDs to send patients to their health care facilities. So most hospitals will be very helpful in helping you get privileges.

Understand the two parts of hospital privileges approval process: Credentialing and Privileges determination. Credentialing is that part of the application process in which it is  determined if the MD is qualified to get privileges.  The hospital medical staff office double checks on medical school, residency training, background check etc. The second step is giving privileges to do certain things in the hospital. For example the hospital may give broad privileges to do almost everything in your specialty including admitting patients, performing procedures pertaining to your specialty , consult and so on. Or the hospital may decide to give limited privileges, restricting the physicians to perform only certain medical procedures. or function. Certain hospitals may have exclusive association with a particular medical practice. And if you don't belong to that exclusive medical practice, the hospital may allow you no privileges or some privileges. Yes! Welcome to the world of medical politics.

    These are the steps to get hospital privileges:

    STEP 1: Call the 'medical staff office' of the hospital and get a privilege application.

    STEP 2: Fill and Submit it back to the medical staff office.

    STEP 3: Follow up with your references to make sure they mailed the recommendations back to the hospital.

    STEP 4: Make sure medical office has everything they need on your file, prior to the next credentialing committee meeting.

There are different types of hospital privileges. You may want to chose which is best suited for you:

    Courtesy Privileges: Courtesy hospital privileges limit the physician to admitting only a nominal number of patients to the hospital. It still satisfies most medical insurance companies requirement for physicians to hold hospital privileges.  Physicians are usually exempt from attending medical staff meetings. Such privilege is used by physicians who do not expect to admit patients to the hospital or do procedures there.

    Full Privileges: Under this category physicians are allowed to admit unlimited number of patients to the hospital. Physicians are usually given all the privileges needed to perform 'core procedures' of their medical specialty. Physicians are also required to attend a required number of medical staff meeting regularly.  Now, if a physician is board certified, which is only logical and the article states they are, what is the big deal about at least getting hospital admitting privileges? 

The hospital privileges are renewed every few years. Currently it is done automatically, as long as physician's morbidity or mortality rate is not too high as compared to their peers. But starting 2008, JCAHO is now requiring hospitals to develop criteria to renew hospital privileges every year based on measured criteria such as mortality rate, patient satisfaction score, complication rate, and, yes! believe it or not, even handwriting legibility. So holding on to the privileges will become quite a chore in the near future.

[Exterminator]

Are you seriously trying to suggest that this latest piece of legislation in Mississippi is anything but an attempt at an end run around Roe vs. Wade?  The people who passed it have essentially said as much!

[me]

Are you seriously trying to suggest that this latest piece of legislation in Mississippi is anything but an attempt at an end run around Roe vs. Wade?  The people who passed it have essentially said as much!

Why would that close the abortion clinic?  What's wrong with having to be board certified. 

[Exterminator]

Just can't seem to let go of the minutia and grasp the bigger picture; can you?

[me]

Just can't seem to let go of the minutia and grasp the bigger picture; can you?

An abortion is a surgical procedure and there are complications which could arise as with all surgeries.  If the surgeon who is doing the abortion is not really a surgeon but instead a nurse practitioner or some Joe Blow off the street who has passed himself off as a surgeon that would put the woman's life in danger should something come up.  Having to be board certified means they have passed a test to show they are qualified.  What is wrong with that?  Also if something comes up and the one doctor who has admitting privileges can't be reached what happens?  Seems to me as though it's you who can't grasp the big picture. 

[Palehorse]

No other state requires that a doctor performing abortions must be an OB GYN, and yet all of the doctors at the Mississippi facility are OB GYN's.

Medical specialty certification in the United States is a voluntary process. While medical licensure sets the minimum competency requirements to diagnose and treat patients,

[damfast]

awesome arguing!

who is ahead?

i got confused on page 3

[me]

No other state requires that a doctor performing abortions must be an OB GYN, and yet all of the doctors at the Mississippi facility are OB GYN's.

Medical specialty certification in the United States is a voluntary process. While medical licensure sets the minimum competency requirements to diagnose and treat patients,

Then there should be no problem getting staff privileges for admitting patients. That is a lame point to say the least. 

[The Troll]

Why would that close the abortion clinic?  What's wrong with having to be board certified.

  We're on to you "ME" and Henry.  You people don't give a damn about women who need an abortion.  You people want to stop abortions.  But you're are too damn cheap and heartless to take care of the unwanted children when they are born.  I really can't think of a name for people of your ILK.   

  Today I am going to start a new policy.  I am not going to argue with "ME" and The Hawk anymore.  It is an exercise in futility.  When you spend the time to debate with someone who has not one ounce of common sense, intelligence in world affairs, the economy, read between the lines of what the rich is doing to the workers and jobs and how the Rich and the Super Rich Corporations are controlling America with an Iron Fist, buying Washington DC, there is no reasoning with a fool and Sheeple.    You can surly believe they can    

  The next time they write something off the wall, the Republican talking points or something stupid.  I am going to answer with a short number of sarcastic and inflammantory words.  Just to let you know I am still listening to their stupidity and  foolishness.      

[Henry Hawk]

Today I am going to start a new policy.  I am not going to argue with "ME" and The Hawk anymore. 

Thank you!!!

btw, I care very much about women....I care very much about babies being killed, needlessly....If as much money was put into adoptions as there was abortions....it would make a lot of people happy, who WANT to adopt.....and not kill millions of babies every years.

[Exterminator]

....If as much money was put into adoptions as there was abortions....

Not very good at math; are you?

[Henry Hawk]

Not very good at math; are you?

Perhaps I should have said "attention"....that is more of what I mean.

[The Troll]

Not very good at math; are you?

  You're right on that.  There is some people who want to set back and let other people put out their dollars when it comes to taking care of these unwanted pregnantcys for nine months..  Wouldn't thinking of adopting one of the unwanted babies.  It cost to much for the tight assess.   

[Exterminator]

Perhaps I should have said "attention"....that is more of what I mean.

Have you spent any time actually researching the number of people who are actively seeking to adopt children and compared those numbers to the number of abortions performed?  I think you'll find that if abortion were not allowed, the supply of unwanted babies would far exceed the demand.

This is an older paper but the points made are still valid; the numbers are just higher now: http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/cduncan/230/adoption.htm