BRICS summit in New Delhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tznt-Q9Uf58#!
You can thank congress and the party of no for this development, which is no surprise to me. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on April 01, 2012, 06:32:17 PM
You can thank congress and the party of no for this development, which is no surprise to me. . .
And just how do you figure that?
Quote from: me on April 01, 2012, 06:53:47 PM
And just how do you figure that?
You're really asking that??
paleeze....
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 08:26:28 PM
You're really asking that??
ya, even though I'm gonna hear more spinning and twisting I just had to ask.
Quote from: me on April 01, 2012, 09:38:15 PM
ya, even though I'm gonna hear more spinning and twisting I just had to ask.
No spin and twist necessary. Remind me which ones ran that vote to raise the debt ceiling to the last possible minute. I may have forgotten, but I don't think I did. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 09:42:07 PM
No spin and twist necessary. Remind me which ones ran that vote to raise the debt ceiling to the last possible minute. I may have forgotten, but I don't think I did. :wink:
Ding - Ding - Ding! Give that man a Ceeee-gar!
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 09:42:07 PM
No spin and twist necessary. Remind me which ones ran that vote to raise the debt ceiling to the last possible minute. I may have forgotten, but I don't think I did. :wink:
You mean the ones who want to curb spending and vote on/create a budget that we haven't had for the last 3rys? Of course if you don't have a budget you don't have to stick to it you can just spend whatever you want whenever you want and don't have to worry about exceeding it. Ooooorrrr you could just print some more money.
Quote from: me on April 01, 2012, 09:49:22 PM
You mean the ones who want to curb spending and vote on/create a budget that we haven't had for the last 3rys? Of course if you don't have a budget you don't have to stick to it you can just spend whatever you want whenever you want and don't have to worry about exceeding it. Ooooorrrr you could just print some more money.
Not saying those aren't valid conversations to have, however this global conversation that you brought up in this thread was accelerated by the brinksmanship that we saw by certain members of Congress during what should have really been a routine matter. And those members of Congress were comprised of the Tea Party Republicans. Pure, flat out, and simple.
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 09:56:08 PM
Not saying those aren't valid conversations to have, however this global conversation that you brought up in this thread was accelerated by the brinksmanship that we saw by certain members of Congress during what should have really been a routine matter. And those members of Congress were comprised of the Tea Party Republicans. Pure, flat out, and simple.
so are you saying they were wrong in wanting to have a budget and cut spending rather than raise the debt ceiling?
Quote from: me on April 01, 2012, 09:59:20 PM
so are you saying they were wrong in wanting to have a budget and cut spending rather than raise the debt ceiling?
I absolutely am. That is a valid conversation to have at some point, but that was the wrong time to have it, and to have it carried out on the global stage was an even bigger mistake. Those Tea Party freshmen, in acting on their zealous rhetoric, had no idea of the consequences of their actions. Even if a few did, I'm not so sure they cared. The blame rests with them.
Quote from: me on April 01, 2012, 09:59:20 PM
so are you saying they were wrong in wanting to have a budget and cut spending rather than raise the debt ceiling?
Wow. . .
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
Is it time for the sauce again? :biggrin:
:biggrin:
:food12:
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2012, 10:05:45 PM
I absolutely am. That is a valid conversation to have at some point, but that was the wrong time to have it, and to have it carried out on the global stage was an even bigger mistake. Those Tea Party freshmen, in acting on their zealous rhetoric, had no idea of the consequences of their actions. Even if a few did, I'm not so sure they cared. The blame rests with them.
but then on the other hand if there had been even an attempt in the last 3yrs to curb spending and do a budget the problem would not have been so major in the first place for them to have done what they did. We still don't have a budget in case you didn't notice and Obama is asking for even more money.
Quote from: me on April 02, 2012, 01:14:35 AM
but then on the other hand if there had been even an attempt in the last 3yrs to curb spending and do a budget the problem would not have been so major in the first place for them to have done what they did. We still don't have a budget in case you didn't notice and Obama is asking for even more money.
It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party. Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money. I seems you forgot what caused this. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party. Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money. I seems you forgot what caused this. :rolleyes:
And that has what to do with Obama not doing a budget for the past 3yrs?
typical....
Yes, it is typical of the conservative repugnican party.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 02, 2012, 10:06:25 AM
And we let them vote!
Translation: Don't know the answer and this is the best I could come up with.
Quote from: me on April 02, 2012, 08:23:55 AM
And that has what to do with Obama not doing a budget for the past 3yrs?
WTF are you talking about?
Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
WTF are you talking about?
Troll's remark here.
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party. Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money. I seems you forgot what caused this. :rolleyes:
I'm talking about the the "Obama not doing a budget" remarks.
Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
I'm talking about the the "Obama not doing a budget" remarks.
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party. Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money. I seems you forgot what caused this. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 02, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
Translation: Don't know the answer and this is the best I could come up with.
Actual translation: you should never try to teach a pig to dance; it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 02, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
Actual translation: you should never try to teach a pig to dance; it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
I'm still trying to figure out what she's talking about Obama not doing a budget. :confused:
Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what she's talking about Obama not doing a budget. :confused:
She doesn't know. There's so much of her typical nonsense in this thread it's impossible to even know where to start.
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party. Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money. I seems you forgot what caused this. :rolleyes:
Troll threw this in which had nothing to do with what I was talking about in the least so don't make me out like I'm the one with no clue. No budget for the past 3yrs, raising the debt ceiling, or wanting to every time you turn around, constantly for the past 3yrs, and excessive spending are all contributing to the instability of the dollar. No way can that be blamed on Bush and it's getting might old and worn out.
Are you saying Obama hasn't submitted a budget?
Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2012, 01:45:54 PM
Are you saying Obama hasn't submitted a budget?
Well, he finally did and they all turned it down so it must not have been a very good one.
And what about the 3 years part? Are you saying this is his first budget in the last 3 years?
Lets put it this way..........the senate and Obama have yet to pass a full year budget since he has been POTUS. Obama has submitted his budget proposal to be declined everytime....this last time it was unanimous 414-0. The house on the other hand has passed on every year, only to be rejected by the party of NO (the democrats)... :razz:
^^ Well that's a far cry from inferring that Obama hasn't "done a budget" like she was suggesting.
Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2012, 02:55:00 PM
^^ Well that's a far cry from inferring that Obama hasn't "done a budget" like she was suggesting.
I think her point is this, under his leadership, he has yet to have a budget bill pass. The House has always passed a budget resolution with the exception of 2010 when it was under democrat rule. For some reason, ... obama has not EVER had to utilize a budget.
I think you might want to learn a little about how budgets are passed before you make bigger asses out of yourselves than you already have. Just sayin'...
Quote from: Exterminator on April 02, 2012, 03:34:16 PM
I think you might want to learn a little about how budgets are passed before you make bigger asses out of yourselves than you already have. Just sayin'...
I know EXACTLY how they are passed....I'm just sayin, Obama, as a leader, should be more adamant with his congress to work one out, and quit passing the buck.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 02, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
I know EXACTLY how they are passed....I'm just sayin, Obama, as a leader, should be more adamant with his congress to work one out, and quit passing the buck.
o....m......g
Bernanke: Lack of Senate budget hurts economy (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/bernanke-lack-senate-budget-hurts-economy/363021)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has repeatedly refused to pass a budget, which he could do even if only Democrats voted for his budget. ... Maybe a little pressure from the POTUS might persuade Reid to DO HIS JOB.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 02, 2012, 03:58:37 PM
Bernanke: Lack of Senate budget hurts economy (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/bernanke-lack-senate-budget-hurts-economy/363021)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has repeatedly refused to pass a budget, which he could do even if only Democrats voted for his budget. ... Maybe a little pressure from the POTUS might persuade Reid to DO HIS JOB.
:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: Henry you know damn well that it takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate. Your filibustering bastards stops anything Obama wants. :doh: :rolleyes: :razz:
One more thing how does Obama deal with the Tea Party jerks in the House, who has made a pledge to make Obama a one term president. Also your party has the weakest majority leader, John Boner who can't lead shit. Didn't old Boner say he was going to put America back to work. :haha: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: Henry you know damn well that it takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate. Your filibustering bastards stops anything Obama wants. :doh: :rolleyes: :razz:
One more thing how does Obama deal with the Tea Party jerks in the House, who has made a pledge to make Obama a one term president. Also your party has the weakest majority leader, John Boner who can't lead shit. Didn't old Boner say he was going to put America back to work. :haha: :haha: :haha:
they (the senate) had enough votes to pass a budget resolution...they did not even attempt to do so. They are sandbagging. The House has passed a budget resolution every year....but one, and that was led by the democrats.,,2010.
If Obama really wanted one, he would have pressured the senate to pass a resolution, and let them swing it out. He didn't.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 02, 2012, 03:58:37 PM
Bernanke: Lack of Senate budget hurts economy (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/bernanke-lack-senate-budget-hurts-economy/363021)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has repeatedly refused to pass a budget, which he could do even if only Democrats voted for his budget. ... Maybe a little pressure from the POTUS might persuade Reid to DO HIS JOB.
Who in hell believes Bernanke on anything he says. Bernanke is one of the people who got us into this depression. I got to say this one mistake Obama made. Putting Bernanke in the job he has instead of prison.
But Harry Reid is only one person and has only one vote. He does do a litter better job of keeping his Democrats in place than Old Boner has with his Tea Party wackos. :dizzy2: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
But Harry Reid is only one person and has only one vote. He does do a litter better job of keeping his Democrats in place than Old Boner has with his Tea Party wackos. :dizzy2: :biggrin:
Obviously not...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 02, 2012, 04:33:26 PM
Obviously not...
Hawk, what's your man Boner doing that's so great. The man sits on his ass doing nothing, he's worse than Luger and Burton. :yes: :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 04:46:15 PM
Hawk, what's your man Boner doing that's so great. The man sits on his ass doing nothing, he's worse than Luger and Burton. :yes: :rolleyes: :razz:
quit changing the subject...not talking about boehner
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: Henry you know damn well that it takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate. Your filibustering bastards stops anything Obama wants. :doh: :rolleyes: :razz:
One more thing how does Obama deal with the Tea Party jerks in the House, who has made a pledge to make Obama a one term president. Also your party has the weakest majority leader, John Boner who can't lead shit. Didn't old Boner say he was going to put America back to work. :haha: :haha: :haha:
Congressional Budget Act of 1974 requires only a simple majority in the Senate (51 votes) to pass a budget bypassing the threat of a filibuster.
Quote from: Anne on April 02, 2012, 05:49:28 PM
Congressional Budget Act of 1974 requires only a simple majority in the Senate (51 votes) to pass a budget bypassing the threat of a filibuster.
Let's say your right. What about the Republican majority in the House. The Republicans still foul up the works. :razz:
I am right and it still begs the point, why didn't the democrats vote on President Obama's budget, they could pass it if they wanted to. They can't blame their failure to pass his budget on anyone but themselves.
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
Let's say your right. What about the Republican majority in the House. The Republicans still foul up the works. :razz:
What about the prior 2yrs when the Dems had full control of both houses? :razz:
Quote from: Anne on April 02, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
I am right and it still begs the point, why didn't the democrats vote on President Obama's budget, they could pass it if they wanted to. They can't blame their failure to pass his budget on anyone but themselves.
Well, the Republicans won't let anything happen that would make Obama look good. So why really try. Until you Republicans under stand that it take two people to do a waltz :argue: we are going to have a stand off on everything. :rant:
:zoners:
The budget is a red herring where this topic is concerned. The repugnican stalling and very public blustering are the root cause of this event.
Quote from: me on April 02, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
What about the prior 2yrs when the Dems had full control of both houses? :razz:
What's simple Butter Cup, the Republicans used the filibuster more times than in all of the history of America. What's why. :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Well, the Republicans won't let anything happen that would make Obama look good. So why really try. Until you Republicans under stand that it take two people to do a waltz :argue: we are going to have a stand off on everything. :rant:
:zoners:
Then maybe they should be replaced by someone who is willing to put in a little effort.
Quote from: Anne on April 02, 2012, 05:49:28 PM
Congressional Budget Act of 1974 requires only a simple majority in the Senate (51 votes) to pass a budget bypassing the threat of a filibuster.
Misleading, at best.
"The annual budget resolution adopted by Congress may include special "reconciliation" instructions. The original purpose of the reconciliation process as enacted in the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 was to allow Congress at the
end of a fiscal year to expeditiously enact legislation that would make minor adjustments to both spending and revenue levels."
http://febp.newamerica.net/background-analysis/federal-budget-reconciliation-process (http://febp.newamerica.net/background-analysis/federal-budget-reconciliation-process)
Point is it should have been at least presented for a vote, it not simply so they could say 'look what the nasty republicans did, they are the ones stopping the budget because they are obstructionists' instead of really letting everyone see that none of the democrats would vote for it either. Politics at its worst.
Quote from: Anne on April 03, 2012, 10:53:06 AM
Point is it should have been at least presented for a vote, it not simply so they could say 'look what the nasty republicans did, they are the ones stopping the budget because they are obstructionists' instead of really letting everyone see that none of the democrats would vote for it either. Politics at its worst.
Point is that your reference to the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 was purposely misleading. Either that, or you don't understand what "end of a fiscal year" means. You don't vote on a budget at the end of the fiscal year.
Quote from: Olias on April 03, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
Point is that your reference to the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 was purposely misleading. Either that, or you don't understand what "end of a fiscal year" means. You don't vote on a budget at the end of the fiscal year.
Doesn't matter at this point. The whole point is there has been none at all passed in 3yrs.
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 12:03:17 PM
Doesn't matter at this point. The whole point is there has been none at all passed in 3yrs.
It certainly does matter. You and your ilk keep throwing false and misleading statements. Why can't you just face the truth of the matter?
Quote from: Olias on April 03, 2012, 12:20:40 PM
It certainly does matter. You and your ilk keep throwing false and misleading statements. Why can't you just face the truth of the matter?
Because they don't know what the truth is. The only information they have at their disposal is that which is fed to them by their right-wing pundits.
Do you have a clue what a filibuster proof majority is?
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
Do you have a clue what a filibuster proof majority is?
In the Senate the number of votes the Democrats would need to be filibuster proof is 60. I don't know the number for the House. :confused:
The filibuster isn't used in the House. They have a rules committee which limits debate on each bill.
Quote from: Olias on April 03, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
The filibuster isn't used in the House. They have a rules committee which limits debate on each bill.
Quote from: The Troll on April 03, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
In the Senate the number of votes the Democrats would need to be filibuster proof is 60. I don't know the number for the House. :confused:
So how did the Republicans stop anything during the 3yrs the dems had control? They had a filibuster proof majority.
Dear god... :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
So how did the Republicans stop anything during the 3yrs the dems had control? They had a filibuster proof majority.
Really? And how long did they have that? Be real careful with your answer because I already know, and I'm quite certain it's not as long as you think.
Quote from: Locutus on April 03, 2012, 02:55:19 PM
Really? And how long did they have that? Be real careful with your answer because I already know, and I'm quite certain it's not as long as you think.
14 weeks. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 03, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
14 weeks. :biggrin:
Bingo! Now let's see if she can tell us why. ;D
Only reason I could think of would be a dem lost a seat to a republican leaving them, the dems, short one.
Quote from: Locutus on April 03, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Bingo! Now let's see if she can tell us why. ;D
Good luck with that! I'm still waiting for acknowledgement that the post about the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 was nothing better than an outright lie. (along with grapes in England, pictures of the luxury prison in the U.S, etc., etc., .... ad nauseum)
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 03:11:28 PM
Only reason I could think of would be a dem lost a seat to a republican leaving them, the dems, short one.
It's amazing how recent history fades so fast.
Quote from: Olias on April 03, 2012, 03:13:54 PM
Good luck with that! I'm still waiting for acknowledgement that the post about the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 was nothing better than an outright lie. (along with grapes in England, pictures of the luxury prison in the U.S, etc., etc., .... ad nauseum)
My expectations aren't very high. Trust me. ;D
All I got to say or add is this:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/12/31/democrats-have-only-themselves-to-blame-for-filibuster-problems (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/12/31/democrats-have-only-themselves-to-blame-for-filibuster-problems)
It's just too bad CNN wasn't able to broadcast it like they were told they would be able too so we could all know for sure what really happened.
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
It's just too bad CNN wasn't able to broadcast it like they were told they would be able too so we could all know for sure what really happened.
Huh, :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on April 03, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
Huh, :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:
Convenient memory loss there? CNN was supposed to be able to televise all of those sessions and when it came time they were told no. Then to top it all off every time there was a problem it was handled behind closed doors with no press so all we can go on is hearsay as to what actually happened.
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
Convenient memory loss there? CNN was supposed to be able to televise all of those sessions and when it came time they were told no. Then to top it all off every time there was a problem it was handled behind closed doors with no press so all we can go on is hearsay as to what actually happened.
You've lost me, what in hell are you talking about. Televise what sessions. Who said they couldn't come in. I haven't the slightness idea of what you're talking about. :confused: :confused:
Quote from: The Troll on April 03, 2012, 11:37:54 PM
You've lost me, what in hell are you talking about. Televise what sessions. Who said they couldn't come in. I haven't the slightness idea of what you're talking about. :confused: :confused:
Like I said, convenient memory loss.
That was C-Span sorry 'bout that:
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Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."
Sources: Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.
Subjects: Health Care, Transparency
Updates:
Obama said he'd televise health reform negotiations on C-SPAN
Updated: Friday, July 10th, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan
During the presidential campaign, Barack Obama said several times that he intended to negotiate health care reform publicly. In fact, he said, he'd televise the negotiations on C-SPAN, with all the parties sitting at a big table. That way, Americans would be more engaged in the process and insist on real change.
"That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are, because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process," Obama said at a debate in Los Angeles on Jan. 31, 2008.
The special interests and lobbyists, he said, "will resist anything that we try to do. ... And the antidote to that is making sure that the American people understand what is at stake."
We missed this promise when we first made our database, but thanks to thorough reporting on it from the McClatchy News Service , we're adding it now. ( Read their story .)
The McClatchy report showed that, so far, substantial negotiations on health reform have been held behind closed doors. These include two agreements with the drug industry and hospitals to reduce costs over the next 10 years. In Congress, some of the committee bill writing sessions have been open, but negotiations are also taking place behind closed doors. That's routine in Congress. Much of the difficult negotiations take place in private sessions, before bills come to committee or the House or Senate floor.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told the McClatchy reporters that Obama "has demonstrated more transparency than any president," but that "I don't think the president intimated that every decision putting together a health care bill would be on public TV."
Maybe not every decision, but he made it clear that he wanted negotiations, especially with those representing the for-profit health care industry, to take place in the open. We were able to find four additional instances where he made the same promise during public appearances in 2007 and 2008. And in one case, he said he'd do it in his first 100 days.
"People say, 'Well, you have this great health care plan, but how are you going to pass it? You know, it failed in '93,'" Obama said on Aug. 21, 2008, at a town hall in Chester, Va. "And what I've said is, I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."
Part of the issue here is that Obama has announced broad outlines for a health care bill — primarily lower costs and expanded access — but he has left the details of legislation to Congress. That gives Congress a lot of the power to control the debate, as then-candidate Hillary Clinton warned Obama during the Los Angeles debate. "Certainly, it is important that the president come up with the plan, but we'll have to persuade Congress to put all of those deliberations on C-SPAN. Now, I think we might be able to do that, but that's a little heavier lift than what the president is going to propose," she said at the time.
So no, there haven't been any round-table negotiations on C-SPAN. And there are plenty of questions still to be answered. To our mind, one of the most important questions will be the details behind what's known as the public option, which Obama has said he supports. It could be like Medicare for everyone, or it could be just another nonprofit health insurance plan, or anywhere in between. The details here matter a great deal, but we don't know which type of public option is likely to emerge from Congress or what specific stipulations Obama might have for the public option.
Obama promised — repeatedly — an end to closed-door negotiations and complete openness for the health care talks. But he hasn't delivered. Instead of open talks of C-SPAN, we've gotten more of the same — talks behind closed doors at the White House and Congress. We might revisit this promise if there's a dramatic change, but we see nothing to indicate anything has changed. We rate this Promise Broken.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/517/health-care-reform-public-sessions-C-SPAN/
So What? It would have mattered with the Tea Party controlled House. I don't see where this is a big issue. Just more Republican talking points to try to make Obama look bad. Sorry. :haha: :haha: :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on April 04, 2012, 10:20:35 AM
So What? It would have mattered with the Tea Party controlled House. I don't see where this is a big issue. Just more Republican talking points to try to make Obama look bad. Sorry. :haha: :haha: :kiss:
Ya, what does it matter that things as important as that which have nothing to do with national security are done in secret. You just take his word for what went on and go with it.
Quote from: me on April 04, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
Ya, what does it matter that things as important as that which have nothing to do with national security are done in secret. You just take his word for what went on and go with it.
Yep, I'd take Obama's word anytime. A lot of people took George W. word and where and what did that get us. Two wars and a Republican depression. Plus the dumbing down or the American middle class and the enrichment of the super rich and corporations. We still don't know who the oil men and other rich people who visited Dick Cheney at the oil conference. :confused:
Quote from: me on April 03, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
It's just too bad CNN wasn't able to broadcast it like they were told they would be able too so we could all know for sure what really happened.
What does this have to do with this thread?
Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.
Quote from: Olias on April 04, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
What does this have to do with this thread?
Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.
Exactly.
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: Henry you know damn well that it takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate. Your filibustering bastards stops anything Obama wants. :doh: :rolleyes: :razz:
One more thing how does Obama deal with the Tea Party jerks in the House, who has made a pledge to make Obama a one term president. Also your party has the weakest majority leader, John Boner who can't lead shit. Didn't old Boner say he was going to put America back to work. :haha: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Olias on April 04, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
What does this have to do with this thread?
Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.
Bless her little heart.
Quote from: Olias on April 04, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
What does this have to do with this thread?
Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party. Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money. I seems you forgot what caused this. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on April 04, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
Bless her little heart.
That's what they say in the South when they are doing their damndest not to insult someone.
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Quote from: followsthewolf on April 04, 2012, 04:27:44 PM
That's what they say in the South when they are doing their damndest not to insult someone.
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Quote from: Olias on April 03, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
Point is that your reference to the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 was purposely misleading. Either that, or you don't understand what "end of a fiscal year" means. You don't vote on a budget at the end of the fiscal year.
Where in the act does it say that it can only be used at the end of the fiscal year, which is October 1? That may have been it's purpose but it never really worked, they just put off passing a budget longer when they pushed back the end of the year from July 1.
Quote from: Anne on April 04, 2012, 05:06:13 PM
Where in the act does it say that it can only be used at the end of the fiscal year, which is October 1? That may have been it's purpose but it never really worked, they just put off passing a budget longer when they pushed back the end of the year from July 1.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-RIDDICK-1992/pdf/GPO-RIDDICK-1992-34.pdf (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-RIDDICK-1992/pdf/GPO-RIDDICK-1992-34.pdf)
and here ...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HMAN-106/pdf/HMAN-106.pdf (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HMAN-106/pdf/HMAN-106.pdf)
Quote from: Anne on April 04, 2012, 05:06:13 PM
Where in the act does it say that it can only be used at the end of the fiscal year, which is October 1?
One m,ore thing ..... October is the first day of the fiscal year, not the end.
We should require that all voters take a literacy test.
Quote from: Olias on April 04, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
We should require that all voters take a literacy test.
Oh boy, one more law to restrict voting. The last state to pass the voter ID law, when asked how many people had been prosecuted in the last 3 years for voter fraud, the answer was, NONE!
I wonder now many people who can't read or write votes. I would like to know, l'll bet bet it not many. You got any idea. :confused: Yep, we need another law on the books. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on April 04, 2012, 05:27:33 PM
One m,ore thing ..... October is the first day of the fiscal year, not the end.
OK, I concede, and for the record I know that Oct.1 is the beginning not the end of the fiscal year.
Quote from: The Troll on April 04, 2012, 07:02:34 PM
Oh boy, one more law to restrict voting. The last state to pass the voter ID law, when asked how many people had been prosecuted in the last 3 years for voter fraud, the answer was, NONE!
I wonder now many people who can't read or write votes. I would like to know, l'll bet bet it not many. You got any idea. :confused: Yep, we need another law on the books. :rolleyes:
Don't know about people who can't read or write but I have been at the polls when a blind person voted. The ballot was read to them.
Quote from: Anne on April 04, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Don't know about people who can't read or write but I have been at the polls when a blind person voted. The ballot was read to them.
Hey, maybe we should keep blind people from voting, they can't see who they are voting for. :wink: :smile:
I've tried for 3 days to follow the logic of the one who started this thread, but I simply can't. It simply doesn't make any sense. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on April 04, 2012, 11:32:02 PM
I've tried for 3 days to follow the logic of the one who started this thread, but I simply can't. It simply doesn't make any sense. :no:
It wasn't the Troll it must have been ---------------------------------------------> :me: :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on April 04, 2012, 11:40:52 PM
It wasn't the Troll it must have been ---------------------------------------------> :me: :grin2:
Uh, yep! :yes:
It's as simple as this. We are no longer the go to country...our currency is no good. Troll blames it on Bush and starts with crap that went on in Congress that we only have the dems word for because everything important was done behind closed doors with no press allowed. There is no budget and you start making excuses as to why which are nonsense. The US is suddenly looked at as a wishy washy country with an uncertain direction and going downhill fast period.
Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 12:42:32 AM
It's as simple as this. We are no longer the go to country...our currency is no good. Troll blames it on Bush and starts with crap that went on in Congress that we only have the dems word for because everything important was done behind closed doors with no press allowed. There is no budget and you start making excuses as to why which are nonsense. The US is suddenly looked at as a wishy washy country with an uncertain direction and going downhill fast period.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 02, 2012, 10:50:42 PM
The budget is a red herring where this topic is concerned. The repugnican stalling and very public blustering are the root cause of this event.
Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 12:42:32 AM
It's as simple as this. We are no longer the go to country...our currency is no good. Troll blames it on Bush and starts with crap that went on in Congress that we only have the dems word for because everything important was done behind closed doors with no press allowed. There is no budget and you start making excuses as to why which are nonsense. The US is suddenly looked at as a wishy washy country with an uncertain direction and going downhill fast period.
Going down hill? In your own mind. After George W. we were flat on our ass headed for a deep Herbert Hoover depression. Then the damn Republicans wanted Obama to fail even if it means destroy the country. "Our main job is to make Obama a one term president!"
The USA suddenly looked wishy washy, in you own mind and brainwashed by the Republican talking points. Obama got us out of Iraq. He has got Bin Laden has killed more Al Qaeda terrorist than George W and Dick Chaney ever thought about and is getting ready to leave Afghanistan.
It took two years too crawl out from under the sack of garbage George W. handed him and since then we have started to slowly climb out of the hole George W. and the Republican Party left us in. Even tho the Republicans have tried to stop him at every turn. He and the Democrat Party has worked off their asses to save this country. How dare a total dumb ass criticize Barack is total stupidity.
If you ever get your head out of your ass and wake up. You will see that the Republican Party is no friend to the working class and defiantly no friend to women. For they have declared war on the women of the United States.
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Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 12:42:32 AM
It's as simple as this. We are no longer the go toa stable country...our currency is no good. Troll blames it on Bush and starts with crap that went on in Congress that we only have the dems word for because everything important was done behind closed doors with no press allowed. There is no budget and you start making excuses as to why which are nonsense. The US is suddenly looked at as a wishy washy country with an uncertain direction and going downhill fast period.
Quote from: me on April 05, 2012, 02:42:05 PM
Huh :confused: You're really loosing it. This country is far from being washed up and the dollar I think I would rather have the dollar than the Euro. It does seem that the Euro is as strong as one might think. Maybe you like the Yen, your guys sent the job over there. What ever happen to buy American. :4th3:
This country America will stay strong as long as the Republicans don't get their hands on the country and the treasury. Because the bastards will steal the pennies out of a dead man eyes. We all seen what happened under the 8 long, long years of George W. and the Republican Party. DEPRESSION AND POVERTY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. The rich getting richer. They get the gold and we the working class get the shaft. :sarcasm:
And here we are looking at Mitt Romney the destroyer of jobs, with 1/2 of a billion dollars of ill gotten gains in 15% tax havens. A Mormon who is trying to say Obama a atheist and want to talk about Obama religion, but he doesn't want to talk about his. Maybe he will tell where the golden tables are, oh that is right the angels took them back. :angel: :angel:
This guy know how to destroy more jobs than he can create. He for the Ryan tax plan which means more tax cuts for himself. :trustme: You will hold your nose :me: and vote for him. Let us pray. :pray: May we can get him and his church to baptize us when we starve to death. :dead:
Quote from: Anne on April 04, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
OK, I concede, and for the record I know that Oct.1 is the beginning not the end of the fiscal year.
Thank you. I thought maybe you did know that. :wink:
Quote from: Olias on April 05, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Thank you. I thought maybe you did know that. :wink:
Olias, I'm glad someone here on the Zone has some brains. :wink: :smile:
i thought when they made us dollars the standard, it wasnt supposed to be forever. is that wrong?
Quote from: damfast on April 11, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
i thought when they made us dollars the standard, it wasnt supposed to be forever. is that wrong?
Whether it's right or wrong. Just ask anyone one in the impoverished nations from Jamaica to Afghanistan which money would they take, their own money or the American dollar. As one man in Jamaica said when I had only American dollars to buy his products he said, " No problem Mon." :smile:
Our money is in the hands of the godfather,Muslim wants to be president Obama
Quote from: damfast on April 11, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
i thought when they made us dollars the standard, it wasn't supposed to be forever. is that wrong?
It is still the currency of the world. They thought maybe the Euro, too bad for that money now. Who knows the Republicans with the help of the shut down king Mitt Romney, will shut down America and make the Yen the money of value. :haha: :haha:
then when you get a "yen" for something, it will be easy to work with. hyuck hyuck hyuck....so that election in greece today, troll, whats your thought?
Quote from: damfast on June 17, 2012, 10:02:46 PM
then when you get a "yen" for something, it will be easy to work with. hyuck hyuck hyuck....so that election in greece today, troll, whats your thought?
Who knows Tweetie Pie, you never know what a Greek will do. But they do have good salad dressing and good pastries. :biggrin:
i will take mine with extra feta