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[me]

It's just too bad CNN wasn't able to broadcast it like they were told they would be able too so we could all know for sure what really happened.

[The Troll]

It's just too bad CNN wasn't able to broadcast it like they were told they would be able too so we could all know for sure what really happened.

  Huh,               

[me]

  Huh,               

Convenient memory loss there?  CNN was supposed to be able to televise all of those sessions and when it came time they were told no. Then to top it all off every time there was a problem it was handled behind closed doors with no press so all we can go on is hearsay as to what actually happened.

[The Troll]

Convenient memory loss there?  CNN was supposed to be able to televise all of those sessions and when it came time they were told no. Then to top it all off every time there was a problem it was handled behind closed doors with no press so all we can go on is hearsay as to what actually happened.

  You've lost me, what in hell are you talking about.  Televise what sessions.  Who said they couldn't come in.  I haven't the slightness idea of what you're talking about.      

[me]

  You've lost me, what in hell are you talking about.  Televise what sessions.  Who said they couldn't come in.  I haven't the slightness idea of what you're talking about.      

Like I said, convenient memory loss. 

[me]

That was C-Span sorry 'bout that:


The Obameter
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Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

Sources: Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.

Subjects: Health Care, Transparency
Updates:
Obama said he'd televise health reform negotiations on C-SPAN

Updated: Friday, July 10th, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan

During the presidential campaign, Barack Obama said several times that he intended to negotiate health care reform publicly. In fact, he said, he'd televise the negotiations on C-SPAN, with all the parties sitting at a big table. That way, Americans would be more engaged in the process and insist on real change.

"That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are, because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process," Obama said at a debate in Los Angeles on Jan. 31, 2008.

The special interests and lobbyists, he said, "will resist anything that we try to do. ... And the antidote to that is making sure that the American people understand what is at stake."

We missed this promise when we first made our database, but thanks to thorough reporting on it from the McClatchy News Service , we're adding it now. ( Read their story .)

The McClatchy report showed that, so far, substantial negotiations on health reform have been held behind closed doors. These include two agreements with the drug industry and hospitals to reduce costs over the next 10 years. In Congress, some of the committee bill writing sessions have been open, but negotiations are also taking place behind closed doors. That's routine in Congress. Much of the difficult negotiations take place in private sessions, before bills come to committee or the House or Senate floor.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told the McClatchy reporters that Obama "has demonstrated more transparency than any president," but that "I don't think the president intimated that every decision putting together a health care bill would be on public TV."

Maybe not every decision, but he made it clear that he wanted negotiations, especially with those representing the for-profit health care industry, to take place in the open. We were able to find four additional instances where he made the same promise during public appearances in 2007 and 2008. And in one case, he said he'd do it in his first 100 days.

"People say, 'Well, you have this great health care plan, but how are you going to pass it? You know, it failed in '93,'" Obama said on Aug. 21, 2008, at a town hall in Chester, Va. "And what I've said is, I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

Part of the issue here is that Obama has announced broad outlines for a health care bill — primarily lower costs and expanded access — but he has left the details of legislation to Congress. That gives Congress a lot of the power to control the debate, as then-candidate Hillary Clinton warned Obama during the Los Angeles debate. "Certainly, it is important that the president come up with the plan, but we'll have to persuade Congress to put all of those deliberations on C-SPAN. Now, I think we might be able to do that, but that's a little heavier lift than what the president is going to propose," she said at the time.

So no, there haven't been any round-table negotiations on C-SPAN. And there are plenty of questions still to be answered. To our mind, one of the most important questions will be the details behind what's known as the public option, which Obama has said he supports. It could be like Medicare for everyone, or it could be just another nonprofit health insurance plan, or anywhere in between. The details here matter a great deal, but we don't know which type of public option is likely to emerge from Congress or what specific stipulations Obama might have for the public option.

Obama promised — repeatedly — an end to closed-door negotiations and complete openness for the health care talks. But he hasn't delivered. Instead of open talks of C-SPAN, we've gotten more of the same — talks behind closed doors at the White House and Congress. We might revisit this promise if there's a dramatic change, but we see nothing to indicate anything has changed. We rate this Promise Broken.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/517/health-care-reform-public-sessions-C-SPAN/

[The Troll]

  So What?  It would have mattered with the Tea Party controlled House.  I don't see where this is a big issue.  Just more Republican talking points to try to make Obama look bad.  Sorry.   

[me]

  So What?  It would have mattered with the Tea Party controlled House.  I don't see where this is a big issue.  Just more Republican talking points to try to make Obama look bad.  Sorry.   

Ya, what does it matter that things as important as that which have nothing to do with national security are done in secret.  You just take his word for what went on and go with it.

[The Troll]

Ya, what does it matter that things as important as that which have nothing to do with national security are done in secret.  You just take his word for what went on and go with it.

  Yep, I'd take Obama's word anytime.  A lot of people took George W. word and where and what did that get us.  Two wars and a Republican depression.  Plus the dumbing down or the American middle class and the enrichment of the super rich and corporations.  We still don't know who the oil men and other rich people who visited Dick Cheney at the oil conference.   

[Bo D]

It's just too bad CNN wasn't able to broadcast it like they were told they would be able too so we could all know for sure what really happened.

What does this have to do with this thread?

Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.

[Exterminator]

What does this have to do with this thread?

Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.

Exactly.

[me]

      Henry you know damn well that it takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate.  Your filibustering bastards stops anything Obama wants. 

  One more thing how does Obama deal with the Tea Party jerks in the House, who has made a pledge to make Obama a one term president.  Also your party has the weakest majority leader, John Boner who can't lead shit.  Didn't old Boner say he was going to put America back to work.     

What does this have to do with this thread?

Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.

[Bo D]

Bless her little heart.

[me]

What does this have to do with this thread?

Oh....wait! I know! Your original premise has been proven wrong and you can't answer any of the questions, so you just change the subject.

  It all goes back to George W. and the Republican Party.  Eight years of letting the crooks of Wall Street and the Banksters loose on phony banking deals and gambling with our money.  I seems you forgot what caused this.   

[followsthewolf]

Bless her little heart.

That's what they say in the South when they are doing their damndest not to insult someone.