Pay up, mooches! (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over)
Quote from: Exterminator on August 26, 2011, 03:59:04 PM
Pay up, mooches! (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over)
That's exactally what "ME", Hawk and where ever the asshole NightHawk is, thinks. It sure is pathetic. We have to put up with this bullshit every day. They deserve so much. I hope they get it. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 04:29:43 PM
That's exactally what "ME", Hawk and where ever the asshole NightHawk is, thinks. It sure is pathetic. We have to put up with this bullshit every day. They deserve so much. I hope they get it. :yes: :biggrin:
just MORE liberal propaganda............and the sheep who follow.
really, it is that plain and simple............if YOU think that Jon Stewart is anything else but a comedian...that is all he is....yet, he is making a ton off of the sheep....and contributing to blinding folks from seeing the truth.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
just MORE liberal propaganda............and the sheep who follow.
really, it is that plain and simple............if YOU think that Jon Stewart is anything else but a comedian...that is all he is....yet, he is making a ton off of the sheep....and contributing to blinding folks from seeing the truth.
Damn it Hawk he show actual film clips of what is and and have been going on. He show actual facts and you come up with the most stupid and moronic answers. What a dumb ass. :doh:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 26, 2011, 03:59:04 PM
Pay up, mooches! (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over)
Ok, I'm going to talk to you like you talk to others who don't agree with you here.
You dumb ass he has taken clips from things which are out of context and made what he thinks is a comedy routine out of them. If you can't tell the difference between a supposed comedy routine and actual news I feel sorry for you.
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 04:54:38 PM
Damn it Hawk he show actual film clips of what is and and have been going on. He show actual facts and you come up with the most stupid and moronic answers. What a dumb ass. :doh:
he played some sound bites Troll.....very quick sound bites. The bottom line is, YOU hate anyone who is not democrat. You have swallowed the koolaid that makes you think that republicans HATE poor people.........Stewart took statistics and clips and attempted to make a funny segment.
and to the sheep it was funny and sad...........to those of us who understand the intent of making this a better country, found it ridicules and insulting.
we have two ideologies that have divided this land......Obama is keeping it that way.........he is instrumenting a "class warfare" in this country....building a wedge, that is going to screw us forever, if he stays one more term in office.
Now jump on me and cuss at me as you always do...that always seems to make you feel better....but just take a moment and think - open mindedly and without bias.....and try to understand an opposing view.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 05:12:49 PM
he played some sound bites Troll.....very quick sound bites. The bottom line is, YOU hate anyone who is not democrat. You have swallowed the koolaid :koolaid: that makes you think that republicans HATE poor people.........Stewart took statistics and clips and attempted to make a funny segment.
and to the sheep it was funny and sad...........to those of us who understand the intent of making this a better country, found it ridicules and insulting.
we have two ideologies that have divided this land......Obama is keeping it that way.........he is instrumenting a "class warfare" in this country....building a wedge, that is going to screw us forever, if he stays one more term in office.
Now jump on me and cuss at me as you always do...that always seems to make you feel better....but just take a moment and think - open mindedly and without bias.....and try to understand an opposing view.
When you call me names I know it's not true, by both of you and "ME". But you and "ME" infuriate me with you total lack of intelligence. You wouldn't know the truth if they took a 20 pound dead carp and smack you across the face with it.
Sure they were snippets, but they were the true statements and the actual fact. They did it and they said it. Pictures don't lie. :wink: :smile:
Well, laddie boy, you haven't seen anything yet, if you guys get anyone of the dead heads :dead: elected, who are running for the Tea Party presidency. The Republican Party I knew is dead. :dead: :yes:
Especially Perry the Texas George W. Bush without a brain. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :pray: for America. :flag:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
When you call me names I know it's not true, by both of you and "ME". But you and "ME" infuriate me with you total lack of intelligence. You wouldn't know the truth if they took a 20 pound dead carp and smack you across the face with it.
Sure they were snippets, but they were the true statements and the actual fact. They did it and they said it. Pictures don't lie. :wink: :smile:
Well, laddie boy, you haven't seen anything yet, if you guys get anyone of the dead heads :dead: elected, who are running for the Tea Party presidency. The Republican Party I knew is dead. :dead: :yes:
Especially Perry the Texas George W. Bush without a brain. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :pray: for America. :flag:
And the fact is no one was saying anyone should take 50% of what poor people make. The fact is the definition of poor has changed, which is what was being pointed out in the full story. People on HUD, the poor, have fridges, TV's, cell phones, a car, and most have c/a or window air. 50yrs ago a poor person had none of these so the definition of what it means to be poor has changed. Now being destitute is what poor used to be. You would have been in the "rich" catagory 50yrs ago and now you are middle class and not even upper middle class.
Huh. . . So its comedy when Stewie does it, but FACT when Rush, Beck, and Brietbart (sic?) Do it?
Quote from: Palehorse on August 26, 2011, 07:10:34 PM
Huh. . . So its comedy when Stewie does it, but FACT when Rush, Beck, and Brietbart (sic?) Do it?
I don't listen to Rush or read or listen to Brietbart but Beck had facts which he presented with each thing he said. When he spoke about historical events he had historians, when he made statements he had proof to back it up. If you only heard about the show and didn't actually watch it you are basing your opinion on hearsay rather than fact. Stewie has always been a comedy show and nothing more. It started out that way and is still that way. Remember it started out Not Necessarily The News. Do you get upset and/or take it as fact when he, Stewie, cracks on Obama?
Whose version of history?
Its all bullshit drama and half baked theory spun to support their OPINIONS!
How can you not see that the "blog gambit" you are running cuts both ways where those 3 are concerned at a minimum?
FACTS are supported by empirical evidence; this much absent within sound bites, edited video, and cherry picked history that, as you are so fond of pointing out, is taken out of context in order to support an opinion!
:)
Quote from: me on August 26, 2011, 07:02:18 PM
And the fact is no one was saying anyone should take 50% of what poor people make. The fact is the definition of poor has changed, which is what was being pointed out in the full story. People on HUD, the poor, have fridges, TV's, cell phones, a car, and most have c/a or window air. 50yrs ago a poor person had none of these so the definition of what it means to be poor has changed. Now being destitute is what poor used to be. You would have been in the "rich" catagory 50yrs ago and now you are middle class and not even upper middle class.
How many people die this summer because of the heat because they didn't even have a fan. You can buy a microwave for $49. Pick one up at the good will or an auction for 10 buck or less. I know I auctioned off my dad housewhole good. He had a year old solid maple kitchen set, hardly used that went for $50. If you know a destitute person or family that needs a TV, I've got a good color TV I will give them. None of your friends or church members need to call of ask. :yes:
You can buy a use frigerator for $50 and probably pick one free if you will come and get it. I let H.H. Gregg have perfect good one, because my wife wanted one which had a bottom door freezer. There is one hell of a lot of people who don't have air conditioners. You got to have a car to keep a job and a phone to keep a job. Guess what there are no jobs because you damn Republicans have outsourced all of them.
What would you know about what was going on 50 years ago. You were only 1 year old. I get so sick :puke: of you greedy bastards. You don't want anyone to have anything. It can't be nothing but greed, greed. :puke: :knife:
What did you have as a child growing up in a GM, UAW housewhole. You cheap freeking asshole. :devil29: :preach:
greedy bastards?.......really?.........you have NO idea... :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 09:33:15 PM
greedy bastards?.......really?.........you have NO idea... :no:
It written over your whole body and to the marrow of your greedy bones. :yes: Just read what come out of you brain. :knife: :jester:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 09:36:59 PM
It written over your whole body and to the marrow of your greedy bones. :yes: Just read what come out of you brain. :knife: :jester:
the more you talk the more you prove how ignorant you are.....typical liberal.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 09:38:08 PM
the more you talk the more you prove how ignorant you are.....typical liberal.
You know a Liberal sounds a whole lot better when talking about how to treat people. Than a greedy, self centered, racist, biggot, scab, Christian, water and air polluting, nibshit who wants to be in your bedroom, :suck: :suck: Conservative. :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 09:45:25 PM
You know a Liberal sounds a whole lot better when talking about how to treat people. Than a greedy, self centered, racist, biggot, scab, Christian, water and air polluting, nibshit who wants to be in your bedroom, :suck: :suck: Conservative. :trustme:
on a serious note, and Troll, I know you like to have fun.....but, you just named every "spoon-fed", sheep-talking, liberal-talking point, that you have been brainwashed to say since the propagandist have been smearing this crap ..... all are false, 100%, not true...yet, that is what YOU have been taught to say....
pitiful, really it is.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
on a serious note, and Troll, I know you like to have fun.....but, you just named every "spoon-fed", sheep-talking, liberal-talking point, that you have been brainwashed to say since the propagandist have been smearing this crap ..... all are false, 100%, not true...yet, that is what YOU have been taught to say....
pitiful, really it is.
Go back to your Rabbit hole and go back home the queen of hearts is waiting for you. :knife:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 09:30:50 PM
How many people die this summer because of the heat because they didn't even have a fan. You can buy a microwave for $49. Pick one up at the good will or an auction for 10 buck or less. I know I auctioned off my dad housewhole good. He had a year old solid maple kitchen set, hardly used that went for $50. If you know a destitute person or family that needs a TV, I've got a good color TV I will give them. None of your friends or church members need to call of ask. :yes:
You can buy a use frigerator for $50 and probably pick one free if you will come and get it. I let H.H. Gregg have perfect good one, because my wife wanted one which had a bottom door freezer. There is one hell of a lot of people who don't have air conditioners. You got to have a car to keep a job and a phone to keep a job. Guess what there are no jobs because you damn Republicans have outsourced all of them.
What would you know about what was going on 50 years ago. You were only 1 year old. I get so sick :puke: of you greedy bastards. You don't want anyone to have anything. It can't be nothing but greed, greed. :puke: :knife:
What did you have as a child growing up in a GM, UAW housewhole. You cheap freeking asshole. :devil29: :preach:
So now you not only know how old I am you know where my dad worked too. Damn you better go back to your psychic class again 'cause you sure are off base on both counts. What do you do wear blinders when you venture out into the world?
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 02:23:26 AM
So now you not only know how old I am you know where my dad worked too. Damn you better go back to your psychic class again 'cause you sure are off base on both counts. What do you do wear blinders when you venture out into the world?
Oh, I'm sorry. I got my posts mixed up and thought I was talking to Henery.
let's see your dad, hard headed Republican at one time was a plumber and you was his Go for, go for this and go for that, that's all I know about him.
You work as a straw boss jobs where you thought you were better than the people who worked under your supervision. (Super Vision :rotfl:). Scab and not much pay. Tried your hand at being a business owner and failed and blamed your hired workers for its failure. Which would still failed because who owned it and no amount of tax cuts would have saved.
And what I have read of yours the only thing on your body that isn't wrinkled is your tooth. Big Lolly Pop. :kiss:
Age, who in the hell care other than you should know better in the way you think about other people less blessed. let us :pray:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 05:12:49 PM
...to those of us who understand the intent of making this a better country...
Oh, please share with all of us what you think you have
ever personally done to make this a better country?
Quote...found it ridicules and insulting.
Those of us who can spell "ridiculous" thought it was funny!
Quote from: me on August 26, 2011, 08:33:21 PM
Stewie has always been a comedy show and nothing more.
Of course it's a comedy show but the reason it pisses you neocons off is because there's just enough of a ring of truth to it to expose how totally fucked up your thinking is. At least he's able to laugh about it (sort of like making fun of the retarded kids) whereas all your douche bag, Beck, can do is rant and rave and cry like the freakin' lunatic he is.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 08:28:57 AM
Of course it's a comedy show but the reason it pisses you neocons off is because there's just enough of a ring of truth to it to expose how totally fucked up your thinking is. At least he's able to laugh about it (sort of like making fun of the retarded kids) whereas all your douche bag, Beck, can do is rant and rave and cry like the freakin' lunatic he is.
His show doesn't piss me off it's the loons like you who think it's real news.
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 08:57:31 AM
His show doesn't piss me off it's the loons like you who think it's real news.
I don't recall ever having implied that it is real news whereas that is exactly what you did with your defense of Glenn Beck. So who's the loon here?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
I don't recall ever having implied that it is real news whereas that is exactly what you did with your defense of Glenn Beck. So who's the loon here?
His show was not a news show it was an opinion show based on fact which he often stated. He documented what he presented and it was up to his viewers to check out his research. Some of it I agreed with and some I didn't but it was not a comedy show like Stewie's. He did not present bad things or good things about only one party or person he brought up the good and bad in all of government in all parties. You are basing your opinion of his show on what you were told and snippets chosen to make him look bad. So now who's the sheeple and the loon?
Uh, I've seen Beck's show; he's an entertainer, plain and simple. His ability to string together unrelated "facts" to paint whatever picture he wants is really no different than Michael Moore's but you believe that picture because it's the one you want to believe. That makes you the sheeple and the loon.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
Uh, I've seen Beck's show; he's an entertainer, plain and simple. His ability to string together unrelated "facts" to paint whatever picture he wants is really no different than Michael Moore's but you believe that picture because it's the one you want to believe. That makes you the sheeple and the loon.
And boy oh boy can he cry :cry: when he has Vic under his eyes. :grin2: What a Schmuck. :biggrin: I like that word Schmuck, it covers so many people. :wink: :smile: Teabaggers.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
Uh, I've seen Beck's show; he's an entertainer, plain and simple. His ability to string together unrelated "facts" to paint whatever picture he wants is really no different than Michael Moore's but you believe that picture because it's the one you want to believe. That makes you the sheeple and the loon.
I can tell the difference between an entertainer and a person who is giving an opinion but evidently you can't. Yes, part of the time his show was entertaining and he presented things in his way which sometimes was irritating but when he got serious because he was trying to make a point there was a huge difference. Stewie is strictly entertainment. He made it easy to check his facts and emphasized going to the library where things were in hard print and couldn't be changed to fit what the younger generation, who knows no better, were being spoon fed. He was not the deciding factor in most of my opinions whether you believe it or not. I'll bet you look cute with that ring in your nose you're being led around by.
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 02:33:09 PM
I can tell the difference between an entertainer and a person who is giving an opinion but evidently you can't. Yes, part of the time his show was entertaining and he presented things in his way which sometimes was irritating but when he got serious because he was trying to make a point there was a huge difference. Stewie is strictly entertainment. He made it easy to check his facts and emphasized going to the library where things were in hard print and couldn't be changed to fit what the younger generation, who knows no better, were being spoon fed. He was not the deciding factor in most of my opinions whether you believe it or not. I'll bet you look cute with that ring in your nose you're being led around by.
:det:
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 02:33:09 PM
I can tell the difference between an entertainer and a person who is giving an opinion but evidently you can't. Yes, part of the time his show was entertaining and he presented things in his way which sometimes was irritating but when he got serious because he was trying to make a point there was a huge difference. Stewie is strictly entertainment. He made it easy to check his facts and emphasized going to the library where things were in hard print and couldn't be changed to fit what the younger generation, who knows no better, were being spoon fed. He was not the deciding factor in most of my opinions whether you believe it or not. I'll bet you look cute with that ring in your nose you're being led around by.
How did I know it would only be a matter of time before your delusions about how profound a thinker you think you are entered the conversation? If you think that Glenn Beck is anything but pure entertainment, you're on some pretty serious drugs and I, unlike you, don't need a ring in my nose because I don't need loudmouths like him telling me what to think. I do understand, however, that you aren't very smart so having someone else think for you makes sense on some level.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 03:22:05 PM
How did I know it would only be a matter of time before your delusions about how profound a thinker you think you are entered the conversation? If you think that Glenn Beck is anything but pure entertainment, you're on some pretty serious drugs and I, unlike you, don't need a ring in my nose because I don't need loudmouths like him telling me what to think. I do understand, however, that you aren't very smart so having someone else think for you makes sense on some level.
You are truly hopeless.
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 04:28:11 PM
You are truly hopeless.
And yet, I currently have health insurance and will have no problem being able to afford it when I retire (early) either while you, by your own admission, have none. How is it that such a keen mind with such a profound grasp of money and economics ends up in her twilight years without the ability to afford simple necessities like health insurance?
It's ok, me; I have done well and don't have any issues with my taxes going to make sure you can go to the doctor when you need to.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 05:37:15 PM
And yet, I currently have health insurance and will have no problem being able to afford it when I retire (early) either while you, by your own admission, have none. How is it that such a keen mind with such a profound grasp of money and economics ends up in her twilight years without the ability to afford simple necessities like health insurance?
It's ok, me; I have done well and don't have any issues with my taxes going to make sure you can go to the doctor when you need to.
Ya know, I really hope something doesn't come along to take you down a peg or two 'cause you wouldn't be able to handle it.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 05:37:15 PM
And yet, I currently have health insurance and will have no problem being able to afford it when I retire (early) either while you, by your own admission, have none. How is it that such a keen mind with such a profound grasp of money and economics ends up in her twilight years without the ability to afford simple necessities like health insurance?
It's OK, me; I have done well and don't have any issues with my taxes going to make sure you can go to the doctor when you need to.
I missed the part were she doesn't have heath insurance, she has been married to union members who had health insurance and high paying union jobs. But if the Teabaggers/Republicans don't take it away. When she gets 65 she have Medicare and Medicade when they put her in the loony nursing home, the same thing she is trying to kill. Go figure. :knife:
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 11:16:37 PM
I missed the part were she doesn't have heath insurance, she has been married to union members who had health insurance and high paying union jobs. But if the Teabaggers/Republicans don't take it away. When she gets 65 she have Medicare and Medicade when they put her in the loony nursing home, the same thing she is trying to kill. Go figure. :knife:
I hope the same for you as I do for EX. I really hope nothing comes along and takes either of you down a peg or two. Of course if it happened to you at the same time you could cry on each others shoulders I guess. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 10:56:22 PM
Ya know, I really hope something doesn't come along to take you down a peg or two 'cause you wouldn't be able to handle it.
I'm sure I'll weather any storms like I always have but thanks for your concern!
Quote from: Exterminator on August 28, 2011, 08:55:14 AM
I'm sure I'll weather any storms like I always have but thanks for your concern!
Well, there is one thing for sure. If we take the road "ME" and Hawk want this country to take. There will be no free ride for the poor people, or any working poor or the middle class people.
It was in the 1800s and the 1920 and 30s with the rich and the Robber Barons ruled, where the American people took a beating and the rich still lived in lavish style. The twins want to bring it back. These people are sure poor history students. Just look at the past and see what they want to bring back. I won't be here to see it, but you Ex and Henery might still be here.
All of of us who has a little money might feel secure. But all the Tea Party/Republican Party has to do is devalue the dollar to where it's worth a quarter or less of what it is worth now. But the Multimillionaires and the Billionaires will still be rich. Think about it and vote Tea Party for success. :doh: :knife:
The present Tea Party/Republican Party is a sure way back to the bad times. Just talk to someone who is in their late 80s or 90s and they all will tell you how bad it was. My father sure clued me in and I believe what he said was true. He carried his poor childhood and his thoughts of Hoover and the Republicans with him all of his life. I sure don't want any of this Tea Party shit for the future people in America. :4th3:
One word........................ Koolaid
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2011, 07:36:17 PM
One word........................ Koolaid
Nope I won't drink. I have seen what it has done to you, because you have drank heavily from the Teabagger pitcher of it. :koolaid:
Quote from: The Troll on August 28, 2011, 08:00:13 PM
Nope I won't drink. I have seen what it has done to you, because you have drank heavily from the Teabagger pitcher of it. :koolaid:
Mr. Exterminator. EX your topic "Poor people: Your Free Ride is Over!" Has got me to thinking about poor people. The Tea Baggers and The Republicans are dead set against helping any down and out poor people and I got a hypothetical question that you or anyone else might help me with.
The question is. If we have a poor family with a father, mother and 5 children making $35,000 a year and they want to send their oldest son to college. The boy is smart, hard working, make the dean List, but he or his family doesn't have the money to send him to college. If the boy goes in to the R.O.T.C., the reserve officers training Corps and the United States Army give the boy, with taxpayer money, all of the money he needs to go to college and some money on the side.
Is that bellying up to the government trough to use taxpayer money for his own use? The Republicans and the Tea Baggers think that anyone using government money is a leach a dead beat. Going into the Army as an officer for three years for a college education sound like a real taxpayer ripoff and a good deal for him. Hummmmmm.
A guy I worked with grandson went to college on the ROTC program and graduated with a degree in accounting. He went in as a second lieutenant working in Washington DC. As soon as he put in his short time he really bailed out quick. He is now working for one of the largest CPA firm in Indianapolis working as a tax avoidance expert. Cutting the taxes for some of the richest people in Indy and doing it for big, big bucks. Working to keep the government from collecting tax money to put in the ROTC college program. Go figure. No good deed goes unpunished. :rant:
It really bugs me. How about you? :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on August 29, 2011, 07:18:35 PM
Mr. Exterminator. EX your topic "Poor people: Your Free Ride is Over!" Has got me to thinking about poor people. The Tea Baggers and The Republicans are dead set against helping any down and out poor people and I got a hypothetical question that you or anyone else might help me with.
The question is. If we have a poor family with a father, mother and 5 children making $35,000 a year and they want to send their oldest son to college. The boy is smart, hard working, make the dean List, but he or his family doesn't have the money to send him to college. If the boy goes in to the R.O.T.C., the reserve officers training Corps and the United States Army give the boy, with taxpayer money, all of the money he needs to go to college and some money on the side.
Is that bellying up to the government trough to use taxpayer money for his own use? The Republicans and the Tea Baggers think that anyone using government money is a leach a dead beat. Going into the Army as an officer for three years for a college education sound like a real taxpayer ripoff and a good deal for him. Hummmmmm.
A guy I worked with grandson went to college on the ROTC program and graduated with a degree in accounting. He went in as a second lieutenant working in Washington DC. As soon as he put in his short time he really bailed out quick. He is now working for one of the largest CPA firm in Indianapolis working as a tax avoidance expert. Cutting the taxes for some of the richest people in Indy and doing it for big, big bucks. Working to keep the government from collecting tax money to put in the ROTC college program. Go figure. No good deed goes unpunished. :rant:
It really bugs me. How about you? :rant:
Ex, I would like your answer. Anybody got an answer. Just asking. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on August 29, 2011, 07:18:35 PM
Mr. Exterminator. EX your topic "Poor people: Your Free Ride is Over!" Has got me to thinking about poor people. The Tea Baggers and The Republicans are dead set against helping any down and out poor people and I got a hypothetical question that you or anyone else might help me with.
The question is. If we have a poor family with a father, mother and 5 children making $35,000 a year and they want to send their oldest son to college. The boy is smart, hard working, make the dean List, but he or his family doesn't have the money to send him to college. If the boy goes in to the R.O.T.C., the reserve officers training Corps and the United States Army give the boy, with taxpayer money, all of the money he needs to go to college and some money on the side.
Is that bellying up to the government trough to use taxpayer money for his own use? The Republicans and the Tea Baggers think that anyone using government money is a leach a dead beat. Going into the Army as an officer for three years for a college education sound like a real taxpayer ripoff and a good deal for him. Hummmmmm.
A guy I worked with grandson went to college on the ROTC program and graduated with a degree in accounting. He went in as a second lieutenant working in Washington DC. As soon as he put in his short time he really bailed out quick. He is now working for one of the largest CPA firm in Indianapolis working as a tax avoidance expert. Cutting the taxes for some of the richest people in Indy and doing it for big, big bucks. Working to keep the government from collecting tax money to put in the ROTC college program. Go figure. No good deed goes unpunished. :rant:
It really bugs me. How about you? :rant:
Is the R.O.T.C. a welfare program for the poor and misused by the better off. :confused:
Quote from: The Troll on August 29, 2011, 10:20:11 PM
Ex, I would like your answer. Anybody got an answer. Just asking. :wink: :smile:
Ask Henry; I think he's got a kid doing this.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 11:08:03 AM
Ask Henry; I think he's got a kid doing this.
He decided NOT to go throught the ROTC route.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 11:10:07 AM
He decided NOT to go throught the ROTC route.
From the research I have done, the Indiana National Guard uses taxpayer money to give National Guard members for their college education, did you use that. Just asking. :confused:
Quote from: The Troll on August 30, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
From the research I have done, the Indiana National Guard uses taxpayer money to give National Guard members for their college education, did you use that. Just asking. :confused:
"I" did not use ONE penny of it....My son, has/is serving in the Indiana National Guard and part of his compensation for doing so, is a monthly salary for serving at least ONE weekend a month, tuition and board IF he attends a college.......He served 16 weeks of U.S. Army Infantry training, and may be heading to Afghanistan perhaps as soon as this spring.
WTF is you point? just askin?
I think he's asking if you feel like a member of your family is sucking on the government teat?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 12:31:01 PM
I think he's asking if you feel like a member of your family is sucking on the government teat?
I guess he is incapable of answering this one, since he kep asking for YOUR response.....
What do YOU think EX, are military members sucking on the gov teat?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 12:33:06 PM
What do YOU think EX, are military members sucking on the gov teat?
A military "member" on a deferment isn't really a military member at all, now are they?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 12:50:47 PM
A military "member" on a deferment isn't really a military member at all, now are they?
I'm not sure how to answer you on this...........If a person takes an oath to defend his/her country and goes through the proper training to do so...yeah, they are military, through and through......100%
Uh, yeah, well if a person takes that oath, goes through training and then goes and fights in the conflicts in which we are currently engaged and then comes home and uses his benefits, that's one thing. If, instead, that person chooses to use those benefits now while attempting to wait out the resolution of those conflicts, he's really just after the benefits without any of the responsibility; isn't he? You tell me...does your boss pay you at the beginning of the pay period or the end of it?
FWIW, there was no GI bill when I served so I spent three years on active duty and didn't get shit toward tuition or room and board or anything else.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 01:00:53 PM
Uh, yeah, well if a person takes that oath, goes through training and then goes and fights in the conflicts in which we are currently engaged and then comes home and uses his benefits, that's one thing. If, instead, that person chooses to use those benefits now while attempting to wait out the resolution of those conflicts, he's really just after the benefits without any of the responsibility; isn't he? You tell me...does your boss pay you at the beginning of the pay period or the end of it?
FWIW, there was no GI bill when I served so I spent three years on active duty and didn't get shit toward tuition or room and board or anything else.
Damn how old are you Ex. The GI bill has been around since 1944.
as with my son, he joined the Indiana National Guard under thier terms, and he is always on stand by to server in the event of a state-wide or perhaps a National emergency....His platoon has been close several times to go active in the middle east, but for various reasons has yet to happen. He has wanted to go, but everytime he has gotten close, something always has happened to delay it. Next month he is off to Atterbury for the entire month, and working with soldiers from other countries. He has moved up in rank, and has been asked to serve in special assignments. If he never get's deployed to anywhere, I think he has still served to his call of duty....with full honor. Like I have said on here on another thread, he is hopefull to be deployed yet, to afghanistan. It is his desire to do this, and I will not mind saying I hope he does not, but I respect him as a young man to make his own decision.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2011, 01:24:40 PM
Damn how old are you Ex. The GI bill has been around since 1944.
I was in during the VEAP years...look it up.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
I was in during the VEAP years...look it up.
That was a form of assistance available, Veterans Education Assistance Program, but while not totally sponsored by the government it required only a small contribution by the person who wanted to take advantage of it.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2011, 02:06:45 PM
That was a form of assistance available, Veterans Education Assistance Program, but while not totally sponsored by the government it required only a small contribution by the person who wanted to take advantage of it.
Perhaps you should have read further...it allowed me the opportunity to save up to $100.00 a month from my pay up to a maximum of $2,700.00 which the government matched 2 to 1. The most the government paid was $5,400.00 which together with my $2,700.00 resulted in a grand total of $8,100.00. How far do you think that'll take someone in college?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 03:21:36 PM
Perhaps you should have read further...it allowed me the opportunity to save up to $100.00 a month from my pay up to a maximum of $2,700.00 which the government matched 2 to 1. The most the government paid was $5,400.00 which together with my $2,700.00 resulted in a grand total of $8,100.00. How far do you think that'll take someone in college?
How long ago was this/.......$8,100 was not too bad 25 years ago.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
How long ago was this/.......$8,100 was not too bad 25 years ago.
Oh, bullshit and let's not forget that 1/3 of that money was mine and that I actually served full time for three years to get the other 2/3.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 04:17:01 PM
Oh, bullshit and let's not forget that 1/3 of that money was mine and that I actually served full time for three years to get the other 2/3.
oh bullshit?.......really? You get pissed THAT easy?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
oh bullshit?.......really? You get pissed THAT easy?
It's bullshit that $8,100.00 was even close to covering tuition, books, lab fees and living expenses for 4 years 25 years ago.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2011, 04:32:06 PM
It's bullshit that $8,100.00 was even close to covering tuition, books, lab fees and living expenses for 4 years 25 years ago.
Depends on whether you went to a public or a private institution. And, yes I realize that's only from '80 to '81' but there wouldn't be that much difference for the rest of the 80's.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=76
For the 2008–09 academic year, annual prices for undergraduate tuition, room, and board were estimated to be $12,283 at public institutions and $31,233 at private institutions. Between 1998–99 and 2008–09, prices for undergraduate tuition, room, and board at public institutions rose 32 percent, and prices at private institutions rose 24 percent, after adjustment for inflation.
SOURCE:U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2010). Digest of Education Statistics, 2009 (NCES 2010-013), Chapter 3 .
Total tuition, room and board rates charged for full-time students in degree-granting institutions, by type and control of institution: Selected years, 1980–81 to 2008–09
Year and control of institution Constant 2007–08 dollars Current dollars
All institutions 4-year institutions 2-year institutions All institutions 4-year institutions 2-year institutions
All institutions
1980–81 $7,579 $8,552 $5,450 $3,101 $3,499 $2,2301990–91 10,373 12,017 6,213 6,562 7,602 3,930
2000–01 13,081 15,624 6,601 10,818 12,922 5,460
2001–02 13,520 16,204 6,793 11,380 13,639 5,718
2002–03 13,966 16,786 7,268 12,014 14,439 6,252
2003–04 14,736 17,639 7,628 12,953 15,505 6,705
2004–05 15,231 18,232 7,826 13,792 16,509 7,086
2005–06 15,563 18,561 7,693 14,629 17,447 7,231
2006–07 16,057 19,156 7,742 15,483 18,471 7,466
2007–08 16,159 19,323 7,637 16,159 19,323 7,637
2008–091 16,907 20,154 8,116 17,143 20,435 8,230
Public institutions
1980–81 $5,800 $6,233 $4,954 $2,373 $2,550 $2,0271990–91 7,520 8,288 5,482 4,757 5,243 3,467
2000–01 9,172 10,463 5,851 7,586 8,653 4,839
2001–02 9,530 10,926 6,104 8,022 9,196 5,137
2002–03 9,883 11,378 6,512 8,502 9,787 5,601
2003–04 10,519 12,143 6,839 9,247 10,674 6,012
2004–05 10,894 12,618 7,041 9,864 11,426 6,375
2005–06 11,122 12,882 6,906 10,454 12,108 6,492
2006–07 11,458 13,272 7,067 11,049 12,797 6,815
2007–08 11,573 13,429 6,975 11,573 13,429 6,975
2008–091 12,113 14,060 7,463 12,283 14,256 7,567
Private institutions
1980–81 $13,368 $13,670 $10,516 $5,470 $5,594 $4,3031990–91 20,408 20,926 14,705 12,910 13,237 9,302
2000–01 25,836 26,426 17,880 21,368 21,856 14,788
2001–02 26,628 27,202 18,801 22,413 22,896 15,825
2002–03 27,133 27,653 20,638 23,340 23,787 17,753
2003–04 28,012 28,520 22,250 24,624 25,069 19,558
2004–05 28,505 28,998 22,190 25,810 26,257 20,093
2005–06 28,607 29,061 22,522 26,889 27,317 21,170
2006–07 29,493 29,990 21,035 28,439 28,919 20,284
2007–08 30,258 30,778 21,685 30,258 30,778 21,685
2008–091 30,803 31,267 22,429 31,233 31,704 22,742
1Preliminary data based on fall 2007 enrollment weights.
NOTE: Data are for the entire academic year and are average total charges for full-time attendance.
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2010). Digest of Education Statistics, 2009 (NCES 2010-013), Table 334.
Related Tables and Figures: (Listed by Release Date)
2010, Digest of Education Statistics 2009, Table 335. Average undergraduate tuition and fees and room and board rates charged for full-time students in degree-granting institutions, by type and control of institution and state or jurisdiction: 2007-08 and 2008-09
2010, Digest of Education Statistics 2009, Table 336. Undergraduate tuition and fees and room and board rates for full-time students in degree-granting institutions, by percentile of charges and control and type of institution: 2000-01 through 2008-09
2010, Digest of Education Statistics 2009, Table 337. Average graduate and first-professional tuition and required fees in degree-granting institutions, by first-professional field of study and control of institution: 1987-88 through 2008-09
2010, The Condition of Education 2010: Postsecondary Revenues and Expenditures
2010, The Condition of Education 2010: Price of Attending an Undergraduate Institution
2010, The Condition of Education 2010: Price of Graduate and First-Professional Attendance
2008, The Condition of Education 2008: Special Analysis 2008-Community Colleges
Other Resources: (Listed by Release Date)
2010, National Postsecondary Student Aid Study (NPSAS) examines the characteristics of students in postsecondary education, with special focus on how they finance their education.
2009, Postsecondary Institutions and Price of Attendance in the United States: Fall 2008 and Degrees and Other Awards Conferred: 2007-08, and 12-Month Enrollment 2007-08
2005, Changes in Patterns of Prices and Financial Aid
That's what I thought...nice job me. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
That's what I thought...nice job me. :yes:
My nephew went to college on the GI bill in the late 80's early 90's and it was fully paid but he had meet certain criteria to do it which he did.
My son attended Purdue in WL for three and a half years, 1986-1990 (one semester was an internship) and the $8,000 sounds about what I remember paying. He did not have any type of scholarship or gov. aid. He always had a job for extra spending moeny that we didn't think was necessary.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
That's what I thought...nice job me. :yes:
25 years ago was 1986, you morons, and those costs assume that you're living in a dorm, eating dorm food and never so much as buy soap or toothpaste. By the way, Henry, during that time period me is showing, those costs increased like 438% so your kid is really getting a hell of a free ride; huh?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 31, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
25 years ago was 1986, you morons, and those costs assume that you're living in a dorm, eating dorm food and never so much as buy soap or toothpaste. By the way, Henry, during that time period me is showing, those costs increased like 438% so your kid is really getting a hell of a free ride; huh?
WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME AND MY KID?
are you being a sore loser?
I'm not attacking you and your kid; just answering Troll's question. The fact of the matter is that there are some people who go the ROTC or National Guard route and get their education and then suddenly become conscientious objectors or something and never fulfill their part of the agreement. I'm not saying your son is one of them but people do it...more than you would probably think.
Any way you look at it, though, these educational benefits are a government handout designed to entice people to enter the all-volunteer service. If you are really interested in lowering government expenditures, and defense is a huge one, these costs could easily be eliminated by eliminating the benefit and bringing back conscription.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 31, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
25 years ago was 1986, you morons, and those costs assume that you're living in a dorm, eating dorm food and never so much as buy soap or toothpaste. By the way, Henry, during that time period me is showing, those costs increased like 438% so your kid is really getting a hell of a free ride; huh?
What, like you wouldn't have to buy those things anyway? Those things have to be purchased whether you're in college or not so to include them in the expenses of college is iffy at best.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2011, 01:27:47 PM
What, like you wouldn't have to buy those things anyway? Those things have to be purchased whether you're in college or not so to include them in the expenses of college is iffy at best.
You have to be able to live while you're in college. I wouldn't expect someone who never went to understand how expensive it is.
At the end of the day, the point was and still is that you can put as much lipstick on this pig as you want but it'll still be a pig. An entitlement is an entitlement is an entitlement and people who defend those in which they have a personal interest while claiming that those they do not are unnecessary are being hypocritical in their claims to want the government to lower spending. What they really want is for the government to lower spending on those items that don't benefit
them.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 31, 2011, 12:51:13 PM
I'm not attacking you and your kid; just answering Troll's question. The fact of the matter is that there are some people who go the ROTC or National Guard route and get their education and then suddenly become conscientious objectors or something and never fulfill their part of the agreement. I'm not saying your son is one of them but people do it...more than you would probably think.
Any way you look at it, though, these educational benefits are a government handout designed to entice people to enter the all-volunteer service. If you are really interested in lowering government expenditures, and defense is a huge one, these costs could easily be eliminated by eliminating the benefit and bringing back conscription.
I do not think by any stretch that our military men and women are over compensated....I like the way we currently have it. Our forefathers was carefull to see to it that we had a limited power to our government, but having a military was first and foremost....I think this is one of the last places where we must cut spending....perhaps we need to re-evaluate HOW we spend our military budget, but I think we need to provide a free-willed enlistement. Offering benefits such as education as part of their compensations is fantastic as far as I am concerned. I do not see this as a hand out, but a fair trade of services.
Of course you would see it that way. Everyone is all about smaller slices of pie...but not their slices.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 31, 2011, 02:49:28 PM
Of course you would see it that way. Everyone is all about smaller slices of pie...but not their slices.
I know this is my opinion, but military is for everyone, not just a segment, but all americans....
Quote from: Exterminator on August 31, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
You have to be able to live while you're in college. I wouldn't expect someone who never went to understand how expensive it is.
At the end of the day, the point was and still is that you can put as much lipstick on this pig as you want but it'll still be a pig. An entitlement is an entitlement is an entitlement and people who defend those in which they have a personal interest while claiming that those they do not are unnecessary are being hypocritical in their claims to want the government to lower spending. What they really want is for the government to lower spending on those items that don't benefit them.
My nephew did have a part time job so I guess that's what helped with the "extra" expenses. He also served 4yrs in the Air Force so the extra year may have made a difference.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 30, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
oh bullshit?.......really? You get pissed THAT easy?
I went in to the Army reserve, went into the Army making $88 a month, had to pay for my washing of clothes, hair cuts and the trip there and back and served a lot of KP. Now the men in the Army don't have to do KP.
Was on call 7 years. I talked to them about them paying for college and they told me, you serve your 2 years and save so much out of your pay in our account, we might pay for some college. Just saying. :yes:
Quote from: me on August 31, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
My nephew did have a part time job so I guess that's what helped with the "extra" expenses. He also served 4yrs in the Air Force so the extra year may have made a difference.
My son worked too....It was NOT a "free" ride in any way, shape or form.....He went through basic, with little pay, he now goes one weekend every months, and about 6 to 7 weeks during the summer......He has to pays for all of his gear and clothing he wears while serving out HIS pocket, he pays for the gas he drives coming and going to Hartford City or Atturbery or whereveer he has to go....he could be called out at any given time and has in the past...he is also on "call" for four years after he gets out, if there is a National Emergency. He as served his State and Country.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 01, 2011, 07:15:28 AM
My son worked too....It was NOT a "free" ride in any way, shape or form...
That's what everyone sucking at the government teat says.
QuoteHe went through basic, with little pay...he now goes one weekend every months, and about 6 to 7 weeks during the summer......
He got standard active duty pay while he was in basic, the same as everyone else, and he gets paid for his drill weekends as well. Unless he's receiving additional training, for which he is also paid active duty pay, his summer commitment is two weeks, not 6 or 7.
QuoteHe has to pays for all of his gear and clothing he wears while serving out HIS pocket.
This is an outright fucking lie.
Quote...he pays for the gas he drives coming and going to Hartford City or Atturbery or whereveer...
Because he
chooses to drive his own car. All he is obligated to do is show up at the armory and they will transport him to his duty assignment.
QuoteHe as served his State and Country.
By doing what?
Don't blow smoke up my ass; I was in the National Guard after my active duty Army service.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2011, 08:29:43 AM
That's what everyone sucking at the government teat says.
He got standard active duty pay while he was in basic, the same as everyone else, and he gets paid for his drill weekends as well. Unless he's receiving additional training, for which he is also paid active duty pay, his summer commitment is two weeks, not 6 or 7.
This is an outright fucking lie.
Because he chooses to drive his own car. All he is obligated to do is show up at the armory and they will transport him to his duty assignment.
By doing what?
Don't blow smoke up my ass; I was in the National Guard after my active duty Army service.
First of all Ex...He gets "drill" pay for weekends and during his month stint, he does not get 'Active Duty' pay...(it figures about $6 per hour).
he does have to pay for ALL of his gear such as canteens, gloves, boots and hats.......this is a fact. They are payroll deducted.
He has NO choice on how he gets to an assigned armory, he was originally set up in Muncie, then they moved him all over, at HIS expense. If his armory goes to Attebury or someplace then they provide transportation.
He serves his Country by preparing to go to war.............you think only if you get shot at, you are serving? please!
Not blowing any smoke up nobody's ass....just telling you the facts....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 01, 2011, 08:56:56 AM
First of all Ex...He gets "drill" pay for weekends and during his month stint, he does not get 'Active Duty' pay....
Drill pay is at the active duty pay rate for his rank for the two days.
Quotehe does have to pay for ALL of his gear such as canteens, gloves, boots and hats.......this is a fact. They are payroll deducted.
That is an absolute, outright fucking lie. The United States Military does not, has never nor will never charge service members for the clothing and/or equipment they need to serve unless that clothing is lost or destroyed becasue of the service member's negligence and must be replaced.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2011, 09:06:51 AM
Drill pay is at the active duty pay rate for his rank for the two days.
That is an absolute, outright fucking lie. The United States Military does not, has never nor will never charge service members for the clothing and/or equipment they need to serve unless that clothing is lost or destroyed becasue of the service member's negligence and must be replaced.
THis is not a lie!!...I too was shocked when he had to do this, but it is true........I know boots, hats and gloves are at his expense....they are payroll deducted. THIS IS NOT A FUCKING LIE........NOR DO I CARE IF YOU BELIEVE ME, BUT QUIT ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING, BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS YOU DO NOT...
JUST SAYIN..
That is a bullshit fucking lie...unlike you, everyone in my family has been in the military and they do not charge for anything they require you to have. If your son is being charged, he is paying for things he lost, buying extra gear or buying items that are not standard issue.
Here it is in black and white: http://comptroller.defense.gov/fmr/07a/07a_29.pdf (http://comptroller.defense.gov/fmr/07a/07a_29.pdf)
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2011, 10:24:34 AM
Here it is in black and white: http://comptroller.defense.gov/fmr/07a/07a_29.pdf (http://comptroller.defense.gov/fmr/07a/07a_29.pdf)
Okay EX, I just called my son, and I will apologize and retract my statement. He told me they get issued standard garb in basic. If any of it needs replaced before they think it should be, it is on you. In the Indiana National Guard, my son says if you wait on them to re-issue anything, you will wait for ever. He has to buy pretty much buy everything that wears out, because the ING sucks as far as replacing anything. I mis-understood when he told me back in his early days about this.
THERE!, I will admit when I am wrong on something......it does not change my point and view regarding his "service" and his compensation.
Glad to see you're man enough to admit it! True that the NG is slow to replace stuff but as little as you actually use it, it shouldn't wear out.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2011, 12:58:18 PM
Glad to see you're man enough to admit it! True that the NG is slow to replace stuff but as little as you actually use it, it shouldn't wear out.
It seems as if my son is always getting something....He is getting ready to go on a 4 week stint starting next week, and he had to buy some "stuff" before he went. He is pretty anal about his "stuff" so it could be he just, wanted it, instead of, needing it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 01, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
It seems as if my son is always getting something....He is getting ready to go on a 4 week stint starting next week, and he had to buy some "stuff" before he went. He is pretty anal about his "stuff" so it could be he just, wanted it, instead of, needing it.
why wouldn't the boy be anal. He a chip of the old man's ass. Hee, hee, hee. I say, I'll bet the boy is smarter than the old man. :grin2:
Yep, if you don't have a job and are not rich, it's your fault.
But if you got a job at Walmart, America largest employer with huge profits. You are going to get your health benefits cut and raised at the same time.
If you work 24 hours of less, SORRY you don't get any health benefits at all and Walmart has a lot of 24 hour employees.
Walmart, another predatory capitalist company. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on October 22, 2011, 04:04:12 PM
Yep, if you don't have a job and are not rich, it's your fault.
But if you got a job at Walmart, America largest employer with huge profits. You are going to get your health benefits cut and raised at the same time.
If you work 24 hours of less, SORRY you don't get any health benefits at all and Walmart has a lot of 24 hour employees.
Walmart, another predatory capitalist company. :rant:
And if they start paying their employees $10 to $15 pr hr plus benefits they will no longer be able to discount their goods making it impossible for the lower income person to shop there so not only will that put a lot of Wal-Mart workers out of work it will put construction workers and suppliers out of work because Wal-Mart will no longer make money, expand, or have a need for as many employees. But hey, the unions don't care 'cause they just want that almighty dollar from the few employees that will be left.
Quote from: me on October 22, 2011, 04:25:45 PM
And if they start paying their employees $10 to $15 pr hr plus benefits they will no longer be able to discount their goods making it impossible for the lower income person to shop there so not only will that put a lot of Wal-Mart workers out of work it will put construction workers and suppliers out of work because Wal-Mart will no longer make money, expand, or have a need for as many employees. But hey, the unions don't care 'cause they just want that almighty dollar from the few employees that will be left.
Nobody working at any wally world store is making that kind of cash, and they are not about to. So stop blowing smoke.
You think this bullshit about raising the premiums on healthcare or eliminating it all together is nothing? Just wait, they'll be up your ass next! :mad:
It's about the almighty corporations running roughshod over the general population of this country! The led you sheep by the nose in order to eliminate the teeth on the POTUS's healthcare reform bill, and now they are getting ready to bend all of you sheep over the barrel and give yah a nice dry hump with double and triple deductibles, 30-50% premium increases, and EVERYTHING gets applied towed that fuggin deductible. :mad: :mad: :mad:
But that's all roses and sunshine for you. . . until it hits home. And it will. . . :yes: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
Nobody working at any wally world store is making that kind of cash, and they are not about to. So stop blowing smoke.
You think this bullshit about raising the premiums on healthcare or eliminating it all together is nothing? Just wait, they'll be up your ass next! :mad:
It's about the almighty corporations running roughshod over the general population of this country! The led you sheep by the nose in order to eliminate the teeth on the POTUS's healthcare reform bill, and now they are getting ready to bend all of you sheep over the barrel and give yah a nice dry hump with double and triple deductibles, 30-50% premium increases, and EVERYTHING gets applied towed that fuggin deductible. :mad: :mad: :mad:
But that's all roses and sunshine for you. . . until it hits home. And it will. . . :yes: :yes: :yes:
Won't effect me 'cause I had no insurance at all for over 11yrs and may as well not have any now since medicare is next to nothing coverage wise. Had to give my health ins up in '99' 'cause it rose from $196pr month to over $400pr month and $2000 deductible from the original $400 deductible and prescriptions were no longer covered.
Quote from: me on October 22, 2011, 05:35:51 PM
Won't effect me 'cause I had no insurance at all for over 11yrs and may as well not have any now since medicare is next to nothing coverage wise. Had to give my health ins up in '99' 'cause it rose from $196pr month to over $400pr month and $2000 deductible from the original $400 deductible and prescriptions were no longer covered.
"Since medicare is next to nothing coverage wise." You lying god damn witch. In many ways it is better than the Blue Cross and Blue Shield I had for years. You're so god damn stupid. Your whole body is up your ass.
You don't give a damn about the people who actually work for a living. All you care about is getting a cut rate price at someone Else's expense. :finger2: Why don't you throw your Medicare card away ass hole. :razz:
Quote from: me on October 22, 2011, 05:35:51 PM
Won't effect me 'cause I had no insurance at all for over 11yrs and may as well not have any now since medicare is next to nothing coverage wise. Had to give my health ins up in '99' 'cause it rose from $196pr month to over $400pr month and $2000 deductible from the original $400 deductible and prescriptions were no longer covered.
So thats where your motivation is then? You were priced out of the insurance market in '99 so now you want EVERYBODY to get a good dry humpin?
That explains a lot. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2011, 09:59:09 PM
So thats where your motivation is then? You were priced out of the insurance market in '99 so now you want EVERYBODY to get a good dry humpin?
That explains a lot. . .
I'm sayin' no one was bitchin' when it wasn't affecting them but now that it is affecting more and more people the bitchin' is gettin' louder and the blame is all misdirected. Insurance rates started going up years ago under Clinton not Bush and Clinton had nothing to do with it actually it was attorney's who got suit happy causing doctors to have to pay more for malpractice insurance and having to charge their patients more for visits, operations, and tests. Yes, there are legit law suits but it got way out of hand and pretty boy Edwards was part of it. Of course the attorney's in congress weren't and aren't going to let tort reform happen because they would make less money if they were to lose an election and have to go into practice again. I'm sure they could strike a happy medium on limits of liability to make things fair in a legit lawsuit.
Bottom line is insurance companies had to pay out more in claims so premiums had to go up. I and many other people just started being affected by it sooner than you and a lot of others because I was paying all of mine rather than getting a special group rate from or having it all paid by an employer.
Quote from: me on October 23, 2011, 02:52:51 AM
I'm sayin' no one was bitchin' when it wasn't affecting them but now that it is affecting more and more people the bitchin' is gettin' louder and the blame is all misdirected. Insurance rates started going up years ago under Clinton not Bush and Clinton had nothing to do with it actually it was attorney's who got suit happy causing doctors to have to pay more for malpractice insurance and having to charge their patients more for visits, operations, and tests. Yes, there are legit law suits but it got way out of hand and pretty boy Edwards was part of it. Of course the attorney's in congress weren't and aren't going to let tort reform happen because they would make less money if they were to lose an election and have to go into practice again. I'm sure they could strike a happy medium on limits of liability to make things fair in a legit lawsuit.
Bottom line is insurance companies had to pay out more in claims so premiums had to go up. I and many other people just started being affected by it sooner than you and a lot of others because I was paying all of mine rather than getting a special group rate from or having it all paid by an employer.
It seems to me that when I complained about the CEO of Wellpoint the second largest health insurance company in America made 6 million dollars in two years for salary.
You said you didn't care how much a company CEO made as long as you could buy health insurance. The pig you were trying to put lip stick on came back to bite you. :rotfl: Your husband you said was a union steel or iron worker should have health insurance for you, so what are you crying :cry: about. Just give up your Medicare card and quit bitching. :witch:
Your problem is that you're too selfish to give anyone who you think you're better than a break. :witch: :knife:
You say giving the people a decent wage at Walmart would make to hard on the poor people who shop there. It seem you're the one who is supporting Herman Cane's 9 9 9. :rolleyes: :angry:
You want to put 9% tax on the food and everything else that these poor people buy just to live. :knife: :witch:
Quote from: The Troll on October 23, 2011, 10:03:50 AM
It seems to me that when I complained about the CEO of Wellpoint the second largest health insurance company in America made 6 million dollars in two years for salary.
You said you didn't care how much a company CEO made as long as you could buy health insurance. The pig you were trying to put lip stick on came back to bite you. :rotfl: Your husband you said was a union steel or iron worker should have health insurance for you, so what are you crying :cry: about. Just give up your Medicare card and quit bitching. :witch:
Your problem is that you're too selfish to give anyone who you think you're better than a break. :witch: :knife:
There ya go shootin' off yer mouth without knowing any of the facts again and lumping everything into one basket. You are amazing Troll the way you work things around to come up with nothing but BS.
Quote from: me on October 23, 2011, 02:52:51 AM
I'm sayin' no one was bitchin' when it wasn't affecting them but now that it is affecting more and more people the bitchin' is gettin' louder and the blame is all misdirected. Insurance rates started going up years ago under Clinton not Bush and Clinton had nothing to do with it actually it was attorney's who got suit happy causing doctors to have to pay more for malpractice insurance and having to charge their patients more for visits, operations, and tests. Yes, there are legit law suits but it got way out of hand and pretty boy Edwards was part of it. Of course the attorney's in congress weren't and aren't going to let tort reform happen because they would make less money if they were to lose an election and have to go into practice again. I'm sure they could strike a happy medium on limits of liability to make things fair in a legit lawsuit.
Bottom line is insurance companies had to pay out more in claims so premiums had to go up. I and many other people just started being affected by it sooner than you and a lot of others because I was paying all of mine rather than getting a special group rate from or having it all paid by an employer.
Lawsuits apparently are NOT having the impact their wolf crying would seem to imply. US Healthcare companies (Insurance) are posting profits that are only exceeded by big oil's profits! And they have been for years now.
They have the billions in profit with which to spew propaganda designed to make you see them as victims, when in fact they are nothing more than another greedy corporation.
This shit kills me. They want you to provide your biometric numbers so that they can advise you on how to lead a healthier lifestyle. Bullshit! THAT is what I pay my doctor for and I don't need them, a faceless, soulless corporation, who has never even set eyes on me, telling me what I should and should not do! And despite what they may say about "not using the information against you" I know for a fact they use those numbers to determine insurability and risk!
And don't tell me how you were impacted by it sooner than I was! I have been bitching about it for DECADES now, and it is exactly why when the POTUS announced the details of HIS bill I was elated. Then congress took the teeth out of it and it now has made things beyond intolerable! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
Lawsuits apparently are NOT having the impact their wolf crying would seem to imply. US Healthcare companies (Insurance) are posting profits that are only exceeded by big oil's profits! And they have been for years now.
They have the billions in profit with which to spew propaganda designed to make you see them as victims, when in fact they are nothing more than another greedy corporation.
This shit kills me. They want you to provide your biometric numbers so that they can advise you on how to lead a healthier lifestyle. Bullshit! THAT is what I pay my doctor for and I don't need them, a faceless, soulless corporation, who has never even set eyes on me, telling me what I should and should not do! And despite what they may say about "not using the information against you" I know for a fact they use those numbers to determine insurability and risk!
And don't tell me how you were impacted by it sooner than I was! I have been bitching about it for DECADES now, and it is exactly why when the POTUS announced the details of HIS bill I was elated. Then congress took the teeth out of it and it now has made things beyond intolerable! :mad: :mad: :mad:
What you are going to get under the OHP is government dictating types of treatments and who gets them. You will also be waiting in line for treatments and appointments because there will be a shortage of doctors due to so many being insured all of a sudden and doctors who will opt out of treating anyone but the rich who can afford "premium" insurance. There is a shortage of doctors now and it won't get any better. Yes, they can lower the test standards for entering medical school and passing the exam but then what do you get? Not the best doctors I can assure you. And I ask again, if it is so good for all of us why is congress and the president exempt from it? None, or most of the dems that voted for it would even hear of being put on it themselves and even exempted their staff members.
Quote from: me on October 23, 2011, 04:03:54 PM
What you are going to get under the OHP is government dictating types of treatments and who gets them. You will also be waiting in line for treatments and appointments because there will be a shortage of doctors due to so many being insured all of a sudden and doctors who will opt out of treating anyone but the rich who can afford "premium" insurance. There is a shortage of doctors now and it won't get any better. Yes, they can lower the test standards for entering medical school and passing the exam but then what do you get? Not the best doctors I can assure you. And I ask again, if it is so good for all of us why is congress and the president exempt from it? None, or most of the dems that voted for it would even hear of being put on it themselves and even exempted their staff members.
Nothing more than a bunch of puffery and the sky is falling tactics.
The only thing the ORIGINAL bill was going to do was regulate the medical INSURANCE industry! The rest of that crap is nothing but scare propaganda drummed up by the MULTI BILLION DOLLAR health care insurance industry!
As an aside,
I don't want to be covered by the fuggin changes the bill they did pass have driven!
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2011, 05:51:44 PM
Nothing more than a bunch of puffery and the sky is falling tactics.
The only thing the ORIGINAL bill was going to do was regulate the medical INSURANCE industry! The rest of that crap is nothing but scare propaganda drummed up by the MULTI BILLION DOLLAR health care insurance industry!
As an aside, I don't want to be covered by the fuggin changes the bill they did pass have driven!
If that was the only thing the original bill was going to do why was it so damn huge? Also if there were that many regulations being put into place by the original bill what insurance company would have been left to insure anyone?
Quote from: me on October 23, 2011, 06:36:35 PM
If that was the only thing the original bill was going to do why was it so damn huge? Also if there were that many regulations being put into place by the original bill what insurance company would have been left to insure anyone?
The truth of the matter is that the
deregulation of the insurance industry created this monster, (and effectively erased paperwork that would dwarf the original bill), and all the original bill was intended to do was to put controls on the INSURANCE industry.
Do a little homework and see just how much profit those healthcare insurance companies are making each year. As I said earlier, the only reason they aren't number 1 is because the oil companies own that spot!
Quote from: me on October 23, 2011, 06:36:35 PM
If that was the only thing the original bill was going to do why was it so damn huge? Also if there were that many regulations being put into place by the original bill what insurance company would have been left to insure anyone?
"what insurance company would have been left it insure anyone." I hope none. :biggrin: You might go to Lloyds of London, they will insure anything. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2011, 06:46:49 PM
The truth of the matter is that the deregulation of the insurance industry created this monster, (and effectively erased paperwork that would dwarf the original bill), and all the original bill was intended to do was to put controls on the INSURANCE industry.
Do a little homework and see just how much profit those healthcare insurance companies are making each year. As I said earlier, the only reason they aren't number 1 is because the oil companies own that spot!
So the original bill wasn't to get everyone covered it was just to put regulations back on prices and coverages in other words. Well, if that was the case why was all that money needed to implement the regulations? I'd still like to know why Pelosi said, "just pass it and then find out what's in it". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To
Quote from: me on October 23, 2011, 04:03:54 PM
What you are going to get under the OHP is government dictating types of treatments and who gets them. You will also be waiting in line for treatments and appointments because there will be a shortage of doctors due to so many being insured all of a sudden and doctors who will opt out of treating anyone but the rich who can afford "premium" insurance. There is a shortage of doctors now and it won't get any better. Yes, they can lower the test standards for entering medical school and passing the exam but then what do you get? Not the best doctors I can assure you. And I ask again, if it is so good for all of us why is congress and the president exempt from it? None, or most of the dems that voted for it would even hear of being put on it themselves and even exempted their staff members.
"What you are going to get under the OHP is government dictating types of treatments and who gets them." More bull shit from "ME".
Just this week my doctor prescribe a medicine for me. MEDCO turned it down until the doctor told them what I needed it for. What? Why the health insurance is controlling what medicine I get. "ME" your a dumb ass. :knife: = Brain dead. :yes: