Poor People: Your Free Ride is Over!

[Exterminator]

oh bullshit?.......really?  You get pissed THAT easy?

It's bullshit that $8,100.00 was even close to covering tuition, books, lab fees and living expenses for 4 years 25 years ago.

[me]

It's bullshit that $8,100.00 was even close to covering tuition, books, lab fees and living expenses for 4 years 25 years ago.

Depends on whether you went to a public or a private institution.  And, yes I realize that's only from '80 to '81' but there wouldn't be that much difference for the rest of the 80's.


http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=76

For the 2008–09 academic year, annual prices for undergraduate tuition, room, and board were estimated to be $12,283 at public institutions and $31,233 at private institutions. Between 1998–99 and 2008–09, prices for undergraduate tuition, room, and board at public institutions rose 32 percent, and prices at private institutions rose 24 percent, after adjustment for inflation.
SOURCE:U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2010). Digest of Education Statistics, 2009 (NCES 2010-013), Chapter 3 .

Total tuition, room and board rates charged for full-time students in degree-granting institutions, by type and control of institution: Selected years, 1980–81 to 2008–09
Year and control of institution    Constant 2007–08 dollars    Current dollars
All institutions    4-year institutions    2-year institutions    All institutions    4-year institutions    2-year institutions
All institutions
1980–81    $7,579    $8,552    $5,450    $3,101    $3,499    $2,230
1990–91    10,373    12,017    6,213    6,562    7,602    3,930
2000–01    13,081    15,624    6,601    10,818    12,922    5,460
2001–02    13,520    16,204    6,793    11,380    13,639    5,718
2002–03    13,966    16,786    7,268    12,014    14,439    6,252
2003–04    14,736    17,639    7,628    12,953    15,505    6,705
2004–05    15,231    18,232    7,826    13,792    16,509    7,086
2005–06    15,563    18,561    7,693    14,629    17,447    7,231
2006–07    16,057    19,156    7,742    15,483    18,471    7,466
2007–08    16,159    19,323    7,637    16,159    19,323    7,637
2008–091    16,907    20,154    8,116    17,143    20,435    8,230
Public institutions
1980–81    $5,800    $6,233    $4,954    $2,373    $2,550    $2,027
1990–91    7,520    8,288    5,482    4,757    5,243    3,467
2000–01    9,172    10,463    5,851    7,586    8,653    4,839
2001–02    9,530    10,926    6,104    8,022    9,196    5,137
2002–03    9,883    11,378    6,512    8,502    9,787    5,601
2003–04    10,519    12,143    6,839    9,247    10,674    6,012
2004–05    10,894    12,618    7,041    9,864    11,426    6,375
2005–06    11,122    12,882    6,906    10,454    12,108    6,492
2006–07    11,458    13,272    7,067    11,049    12,797    6,815
2007–08    11,573    13,429    6,975    11,573    13,429    6,975
2008–091    12,113    14,060    7,463    12,283    14,256    7,567
Private institutions
1980–81    $13,368    $13,670    $10,516    $5,470    $5,594    $4,303
1990–91    20,408    20,926    14,705    12,910    13,237    9,302
2000–01    25,836    26,426    17,880    21,368    21,856    14,788
2001–02    26,628    27,202    18,801    22,413    22,896    15,825
2002–03    27,133    27,653    20,638    23,340    23,787    17,753
2003–04    28,012    28,520    22,250    24,624    25,069    19,558
2004–05    28,505    28,998    22,190    25,810    26,257    20,093
2005–06    28,607    29,061    22,522    26,889    27,317    21,170
2006–07    29,493    29,990    21,035    28,439    28,919    20,284
2007–08    30,258    30,778    21,685    30,258    30,778    21,685
2008–091    30,803    31,267    22,429    31,233    31,704    22,742

1Preliminary data based on fall 2007 enrollment weights.

NOTE: Data are for the entire academic year and are average total charges for full-time attendance.

SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2010). Digest of Education Statistics, 2009 (NCES 2010-013), Table 334.

Related Tables and Figures:  (Listed by Release Date)

    2010, Digest of Education Statistics 2009, Table 335. Average undergraduate tuition and fees and room and board rates charged for full-time students in degree-granting institutions, by type and control of institution and state or jurisdiction: 2007-08 and 2008-09
    2010, Digest of Education Statistics 2009, Table 336. Undergraduate tuition and fees and room and board rates for full-time students in degree-granting institutions, by percentile of charges and control and type of institution: 2000-01 through 2008-09
    2010, Digest of Education Statistics 2009, Table 337. Average graduate and first-professional tuition and required fees in degree-granting institutions, by first-professional field of study and control of institution: 1987-88 through 2008-09
    2010, The Condition of Education 2010: Postsecondary Revenues and Expenditures
    2010, The Condition of Education 2010: Price of Attending an Undergraduate Institution
    2010, The Condition of Education 2010: Price of Graduate and First-Professional Attendance
    2008, The Condition of Education 2008: Special Analysis 2008-Community Colleges

Other Resources:  (Listed by Release Date)

    2010, National Postsecondary Student Aid Study (NPSAS) examines the characteristics of students in postsecondary education, with special focus on how they finance their education.
    2009, Postsecondary Institutions and Price of Attendance in the United States: Fall 2008 and Degrees and Other Awards Conferred: 2007-08, and 12-Month Enrollment 2007-08
    2005, Changes in Patterns of Prices and Financial Aid

[Henry Hawk]

That's what I thought...nice job me.   

[me]

That's what I thought...nice job me.   

My nephew went to college on the GI bill in the late 80's early 90's and it was fully paid but he had meet certain criteria to do it which he did.

[Anne]

My son attended Purdue in WL for three and a half years, 1986-1990 (one semester was an internship) and the $8,000 sounds about what I remember paying. He did not have any type of scholarship or gov. aid. He always had a job for extra spending moeny that we didn't think was necessary.

[Exterminator]

That's what I thought...nice job me.   

25 years ago was 1986, you morons, and those costs assume that you're living in a dorm, eating dorm food and never so much as buy soap or toothpaste.  By the way, Henry, during that time period me is showing, those costs increased like 438% so your kid is really getting a hell of a free ride; huh?

[Henry Hawk]

25 years ago was 1986, you morons, and those costs assume that you're living in a dorm, eating dorm food and never so much as buy soap or toothpaste.  By the way, Henry, during that time period me is showing, those costs increased like 438% so your kid is really getting a hell of a free ride; huh?

WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME AND MY KID?

are you being a sore loser?

[Exterminator]

I'm not attacking you and your kid; just answering Troll's question.  The fact of the matter is that there are some people who go the ROTC or National Guard route and get their education and then suddenly become conscientious objectors or something and never fulfill their part of the agreement.  I'm not saying your son is one of them but people do it...more than you would probably think.

Any way you look at it, though, these educational benefits are a government handout designed to entice people to enter the all-volunteer service.  If you are really interested in lowering government expenditures, and defense is a huge one, these costs could easily be eliminated by eliminating the benefit and bringing back conscription.

[me]

25 years ago was 1986, you morons, and those costs assume that you're living in a dorm, eating dorm food and never so much as buy soap or toothpaste.  By the way, Henry, during that time period me is showing, those costs increased like 438% so your kid is really getting a hell of a free ride; huh?

What, like you wouldn't have to buy those things anyway?  Those things have to be purchased whether you're in college or not so to include them in the expenses of college is iffy at best.

[Exterminator]

What, like you wouldn't have to buy those things anyway?  Those things have to be purchased whether you're in college or not so to include them in the expenses of college is iffy at best.

You have to be able to live while you're in college.  I wouldn't expect someone who never went to understand how expensive it is.

At the end of the day, the point was and still is that you can put as much lipstick on this pig as you want but it'll still be a pig.  An entitlement is an entitlement is an entitlement and people who defend those in which they have a personal interest while claiming that those they do not are unnecessary are being hypocritical in their claims to want the government to lower spending.  What they really want is for the government to lower spending on those items that don't benefit them.

[Henry Hawk]

I'm not attacking you and your kid; just answering Troll's question.  The fact of the matter is that there are some people who go the ROTC or National Guard route and get their education and then suddenly become conscientious objectors or something and never fulfill their part of the agreement.  I'm not saying your son is one of them but people do it...more than you would probably think.

Any way you look at it, though, these educational benefits are a government handout designed to entice people to enter the all-volunteer service.  If you are really interested in lowering government expenditures, and defense is a huge one, these costs could easily be eliminated by eliminating the benefit and bringing back conscription.

I do not think by any stretch that our military men and women are over compensated....I like the way we currently have it.  Our forefathers was carefull to see to it that we had a limited power to our government, but having a military was first and foremost....I think this is one of the last places where we must cut spending....perhaps we need to re-evaluate HOW we spend our military budget, but I think we need to provide a free-willed enlistement.  Offering benefits such as education as part of their compensations is fantastic as far as I am concerned.  I do not see this as a hand out, but a fair trade of services.

[Exterminator]

Of course you would see it that way.  Everyone is all about smaller slices of pie...but not their slices.

[Henry Hawk]

Of course you would see it that way.  Everyone is all about smaller slices of pie...but not their slices.

I know this is my opinion, but military is for everyone, not just a segment, but all americans....

[me]

You have to be able to live while you're in college.  I wouldn't expect someone who never went to understand how expensive it is.

At the end of the day, the point was and still is that you can put as much lipstick on this pig as you want but it'll still be a pig.  An entitlement is an entitlement is an entitlement and people who defend those in which they have a personal interest while claiming that those they do not are unnecessary are being hypocritical in their claims to want the government to lower spending.  What they really want is for the government to lower spending on those items that don't benefit them.

My nephew did have a part time job so I guess that's what helped with the "extra" expenses.  He also served 4yrs in the Air Force so the extra year may have made a difference.

[The Troll]

oh bullshit?.......really?  You get pissed THAT easy?

  I went in to the Army reserve, went into the Army making $88 a month, had to pay for my washing of clothes, hair cuts and the trip there and back and served a lot of KP.   Now the men in the Army don't have to do KP.

  Was on call 7 years.  I talked to them about them paying for college and they told me, you serve your 2 years and save so much out of your pay in our account, we might pay for some college.  Just saying.