Maybe this is one of those 'tests' Biden was talking about.
You could be right.
NKorea launches rocket, defying world pressure
AP
By JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press Writer Jean H. Lee, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago
SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea defiantly carried out a provocative rocket launch Sunday that the U.S., Japan and other nations suspect was a cover for a test of its long-range missile technology.
Liftoff took place at 11:30 a.m. (0230GMT) Sunday from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in northeastern North Korea, the South Korean government said. In Washington, the State Department also confirmed the launch.
The rocket flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean, the Japanese broadcaster NHK said, citing its government.
"Our primary concern is to confirm safety and gather information," Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso told a news conference at his Tokyo office Sunday.
Resisting calls from President Barack Obama, Aso and Hu Jintao of China to call off the launch, North Korea had announced Saturday that preparations were complete to send communications satellite Kwangmyongsong-2 on a multistage rocket bound for the skies over Japan.
Tokyo deployed warships and Patriot missile interceptors off its northern coast to shoot down any debris that the North said might fall over the area.
U.S. and South Korean warships equipped with missile interceptors also plied the waters between the Korean peninsula and Japan to monitor the launch.
Russia, meanwhile, scrambled fighter jets to its Far East in case any debris hits its territory, Russian news reports said.
North Korea pushed ahead with the launch despite mounting international pressure to cancel a liftoff Obama warned Friday would be a "provocative" act.
South Korea, the U.S. and Japan said earlier in the week they would take North Korea to the U.N. Security Council for an act they say is banned under a 2006 resolution barring Pyongyang from ballistic activity.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_nkorea_missile
Yeah. . . Nothing went into orbit and the whole mess splashed down in the sea of Japan after going over Japan. . . :icon_evil:
Thank goodness it didn't land "in" Japan.
If they repeat this little game Japan will shoot it down!
Rightly so.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 05, 2009, 10:39:06 AM
Yeah. . . Nothing went into orbit and the whole mess splashed down in the sea of Japan after going over Japan. . . :icon_evil:
Given the trajectory of the missile, and where it landed, I'm not so sure of their claim of a satellite launch. I think they were testing what they hope to be eventual long range missile capabilities.
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Agreed. Reports (sketchy) I've read seem to indicate three separate staging events during flight and this would clearly indicate a missile of long range capacity.
I heard an interesting comment from one of the CNN talking heads this morning.....Kim Jong does not have to worry about the global economic crisis, he doesn't have to worry about global warming (I don't either), he doesn't have to worry about Aghanistan or Al Qaida.....etc....all he has to worry about is keeping his power.
If that's the case, why does he insist on pushing the worlds buttons by doing crazy shit like this? This '6 party talk' will not work. I say, they want it they got it....cut them off from the rest of the globe...nothing goes in, nothing comes out. We don't have anything he wants, threats don't stop him....so what is there to negotiate with this clown anyway. We can't bring anything to the table that he cares about.
For North Korea to change, it has to come from within....then it will make sense for the rest of the world to help out. Until then it is a waste of time. You think we would have learned that by now. Imposed change will not work.
DannyBoy: Your observation that N. Korea's eventual change must come from within is spot on; it's time for the USA to tend its own fires and let the rest of the world do the same...as long as we aren't being threatened. But, it's futile to look for changes to happen overnight, or even yearly. We've been waiting for Cuba to come around for 50 years, now. And it's the height of conceit to expect other countries in the world to begin patterning themselves on us; our example to the world just hasn't been all that shining the last few years, has it? Well, maybe we've hit bottom and are starting to turn things around, at last. I hope.
I'm thinking we need to nip this in the bud, before kim jong get's TOO cocky....he is not the most trustworthy........and we are going to see something BAD come from this IF we (all those concerned) does NOT nip it.
we will very soon see...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
I'm thinking we need to nip this in the bud, before kim jong get's TOO cocky....he is not the most trustworthy...
And how would you recommend we do that? You do understand, of course, that a diplomatic agreement was reached with them under Clinton that they both abided by and allowed inspection of and that they had, in fact, shut down their nuclear reactor until Bush got on television and started flapping his gums with his 'axis of evil' crap?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2009, 10:43:58 AM
And how would you recommend we do that? You do understand, of course, that a diplomatic agreement was reached with them under Clinton that they both abided by and allowed inspection of and that they had, in fact, shut down their nuclear reactor until Bush got on television and started flapping his gums with his 'axis of evil' crap?
The launch violated Security Council resolution 1718....we got to be careful and NOT let him do what Iraq did....and THAT is refusing to abide...Obama himself, just stated..."rules must be binding, violations must be punished, words must mean something"....in which I whole heartedly agree.....lets see how this plays out.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2009, 10:48:47 AM
The launch violated Security Council resolution 1718....we got to be careful and NOT let him do what Iraq did....and THAT is refusing to abide...Obama himself, just stated..."rules must be binding, violations must be punished, words must mean something"....in which I whole heartedly agree.....lets see how this plays out.
I agree that there should be consequences but you are skirting the question; how would you recommend we punish them?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2009, 11:00:22 AM
I agree that there should be consequences but you are skirting the question; how would you recommend we punish them?
okay, without expert opinions wispering..."intelligence" in my ear.......I would tell them...THAT, was their one and last test....all others, without security counsil approval, would be considered "dangerous" and the missle would be disabled by whatever means it would take....
I would have forces ready for a response of ANY nature....also, it would be time for Japan to step up to the plate, and NOT leave it all for the US to bear.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 06, 2009, 11:19:35 AM
okay, without expert opinions wispering..."intelligence" in my ear.......I would tell them...THAT, was their one and last test....all others, without security counsil approval, would be considered "dangerous" and the missle would be disabled by whatever means it would take....
So you would just shoot them down, ok.
QuoteI would have forces ready for a response of ANY nature...
Here's where it gets a little more difficult unless you really want to start WWIII.
Quote...also, it would be time for Japan to step up to the plate, and NOT leave it all for the US to bear.
Not very likely they will do anything outside of defend themselves if they are directly attacked since they have a pacifist constitution.
There has been talk about using, electromagnetic pulse...which could end potential threats..
I agree, I don't think there could be much else for them to do...that is why we need to nip it, and nip it now...but, i think we need for Japan and South Korea to step up...
Step up and do what?
Actually, if anyone needs to take a leadership role in this it should be the UN, IMHO. The last thing the U.S. needs is another police action conflict in Korea, and while the U.S. should contribute its fair share to such an initiative, such should be led by the U.N..
As frustrating as diplomatic efforts have been in this, severe sanctions should be enforced as a first step. Any military initiative must come via a resolution from the UN; and should recognize and anticipate that if such an initiative is undertaken it could potentially result in China lending support to N Korea just as they did the last time.
The UN currently enjoys a reputation as a paper tiger among the global entities, and this is an opportunity for them to demonstrate this is not the case. Unless they do so they are destined for failure in the long run.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 06, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
Actually, if anyone needs to take a leadership role in this it should be the UN, IMHO. The last thing the U.S. needs is another police action conflict in Korea, and while the U.S. should contribute its fair share to such an initiative, such should be led by the U.N..
As frustrating as diplomatic efforts have been in this, severe sanctions should be enforced as a first step. Any military initiative must come via a resolution from the UN; and should recognize and anticipate that if such an initiative is undertaken it could potentially result in China lending support to N Korea just as they did the last time.
The UN currently enjoys a reputation as a paper tiger among the global entities, and this is an opportunity for them to demonstrate this is not the case. Unless they do so they are destined for failure in the long run.
I agree, PH
Ex, I believe Japan and South Korea, should be expressing this concern LOUDLY to the security counsil....and the US should support them.
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I just heard on the news today that it is all Bush's fault. I am frankly getting tired of it being someone else's fault. When is this administration going to step up to the plate and take charge? After all they won and are in control?????
Quote from: mcgonser on April 06, 2009, 12:44:19 PM
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I just heard on the news today that it is all Bush's fault. I am frankly getting tired of it being someone else's fault. When is this administration going to step up to the plate and take charge? After all they won and are in control?????
You understand so little. :rolleyes:
Ex:(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/mcgonser/Smile.jpg)
And you understand sooooooooo much?????????
Obviously more than you.
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Stop, stop please! Your making me laugh too hard.
What I think is ridiculous is when they try to blame stuff on Bush that happened before he even took office. :rolleyes:
I know what you mean Me: Whats even funnier it was during Clintons reign. Cracks me up!!!!!!!
Quote from: me on April 06, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
What I think is ridiculous is when they try to blame stuff on Bush that happened before he even took office. :rolleyes:
Quote from: mcgonser on April 06, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
I know what you mean Me: Whats even funnier it was during Clintons reign. Cracks me up!!!!!!!
So does this mean you two extend plausible deniability to W for this? I mean, the sabre rattling has been going on for years from this whackjob leader of N Korea, even during W's reign and he did nothing much about it either. So that makes him innocent?
Quote from: mcgonser on April 06, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
Stop, stop please! Your making me laugh too hard.
Ignorance is bliss!
Quote from: me on April 06, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
What I think is ridiculous is when they try to blame stuff on Bush that happened before he even took office. :rolleyes:
Wrong but thanks for reiterating just how uninformed you are.
Quote from: mcgonser on April 06, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
I know what you mean Me: Whats even funnier it was during Clintons reign. Cracks me up!!!!!!!
What was? Please enlighten us with your wealth of misinformation.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2009, 03:39:59 PM
Ignorance is bliss!
How good of you to admit to this Ex: It takes a big man to admit his faults.
Quote from: mcgonser on April 06, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
I know what you mean Me: Whats even funnier it was during Clintons reign. Cracks me up!!!!!!!
We're still waiting for you to enlighten usabout what 'it' was that happened during Clinton's tenure.
Thats ok Ex: You can wait for me like I have waited for you sinced I joined this forum to prove anything you say. I believe that somewhere around here there was a rant from you that you don't have to prove anything to anyone. So I guess I can do the same. Its only fair man.
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
Thats ok Ex: You can wait for me like I have waited for you sinced I joined this forum to prove anything you say. I believe that somewhere around here there was a rant from you that you don't have to prove anything to anyone. So I guess I can do the same. Its only fair man.
Wrong but nice try. You might as well hold up a sign professing your ignorance.
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Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 09:47:46 AM
Wrong but nice try. You might as well hold up a sign professing your ignorance.
You silly, silly person. LOL :biggrin: ;D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You're still avoiding the question of what, exactly, happened during the Clinton administration. Why is that?
My guess? It's difficult for her to type with so much foot in mouth :biggrin:
Yep, I'm guessing that she looked it up, discovered that she's wrong and doesn't have the integrity to admit it.
No, you do the research Ex: Of course it will only come out with what you want it to. It does me no good to say or post anything, you will just call me a liar. My foot is just fine thank you Sandy!!!
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 10:59:13 AM
No, you do the research Ex: Of course it will only come out with what you want it to. It does me no good to say or post anything, you will just call me a liar. My foot is just fine thank you Sandy!!!
I have done the research. Bush Sr. got the N.Koreans to agree to nuclear inspections in 1992 but they denied access to sites under that agreement. In 1994, Clinton agreed to provide $5 billion in fuel and two nuclear reactors (that are designed to produce little in the way of weapons grade plutonuim) in exchange for them freezing their nuclear program, which they did. It stayed that way until 2002 when your moron of a president labeled N.Korea part of the 'axis of evil', accused them of having a secret weapons program and stopped the shipments of oil to them that they reactivated the Yongbyon reactor and threw out the international inspectors.
Clinton handled the situation diplomatically and all was well. Bush, as is typical of someone with a small dick, handled the situation confrontationally and they have been busy working to build a nuclear missile ever since.
You know nothing.
I know N. Korea and its ruler. If you believe anything he says or promises you are naive and I have some swamp land in florida I want to sell you, cheap! You, as usual recite 1 incident that fits your point of view. There is alot more research to go Ex: You are a good and faithful Democrat though. I will give you that. You are good at spinning everything to your own small warped mind. Clinton showed us what a real chump could do with this. You have to give him that!
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 11:18:38 AM
I know N. Korea and its ruler.
Quite the social butterfly, eh? Can you see Russia from your back yard?
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Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
My guess? It's difficult for her to type with so much foot in mouth :biggrin:
Judging from many of her posts, I'm willing to bet that pictures work better ...
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:wink:
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 11:18:38 AM
I know N. Korea and its ruler.
LMFAO! Really? So you've been there and the two of you had tea?
QuoteIf you believe anything he says or promises you are naive and I have some swamp land in florida I want to sell you, cheap!
Look, clueless, there were investigators from the International Atomic Energy Agency there for years verifying that they had no active nuclear program so it wasn't necessary to believe or disbelieve anything he said.
QuoteYou, as usual recite 1 incident that fits your point of view.
What one incident?
QuoteThere is alot more research to go
Then maybe you should pull your lips off of Bush's sphincter long enough to do some because it's obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about and you make yourself appear not only more ignorant with each passing moment but completely unwilling to learn.
QuoteYou are a good and faithful Democrat though.
Had you been paying attention, you would know that I'm not a Democrat at all but you sure are a typical gullible Republican.
Yes you are a democrat in disguise: You just don't get it. You silly, silly flea collar.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 11:13:50 AM
In 1994, Clinton agreed to provide $5 billion in fuel and two nuclear reactors (that are designed to produce little in the way of weapons grade plutonuim) in exchange for them freezing their nuclear program, which they did.
I was trying to stay out of this one, but this is where it comes down to DIFFERENT views on things...I find it outrageous to GIVE an amazing amount of money AND materials to MAKE someone play fair...it is like the teacher giving the playground bully his milk money so he doesn't beat up little jimmy...instead of beating his ass and telling him to knock his sh!t off....I realize we MUST use diplomacy to it's fullest measures, but peace through strength IS a valid form of diplomacy, and lives can be saved through TOUGH and MEANINGFUL words...with the integrity to back them up IF necessary.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 11:39:18 AM
I was trying to stay out of this one, but this is where it comes down to DIFFERENT views on things...I find it outrageous to GIVE an amazing amount of money AND materials to MAKE someone play fair...
WTF are you talking about 'play fair'. We have nuclear missiles; how is it not fair for others to have them? Just because we don't think they should? Who made us the supreme commanders of the universe? N.Korea is an impoverished country; why shouldn't they use whatever leverage they can to their advantage? And when we cut off the oil that was supplying a good part of their electrical generating capacity, what the hell did we expect them to do for power? Who wouldn't turn on their nuclear generator under those circumstances and when you have a country like ours who is not only threatening you but has proven willing to attack another country without reason, why wouldn't you process the spent fuel into weapons to defend yourself?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 11:49:19 AM
WTF are you talking about 'play fair'. We have nuclear missiles; how is it not fair for others to have them? Just because we don't think they should? Who made us the supreme commanders of the universe? N.Korea is an impoverished country; why shouldn't they use whatever leverage they can to their advantage? And when we cut off the oil that was supplying a good part of their electrical generating capacity, what the hell did we expect them to do for power? Who wouldn't turn on their nuclear generator under those circumstances and when you have a country like ours who is not only threatening you but has proven willing to attack another country without reason, why wouldn't you process the spent fuel into weapons to defend yourself?
Then maybe we should supply the WORLD with nuclear missiles...that way we don't hurt someones feelings... :rolleyes:
You just don't get it. :rolleyes:
"flea collar"? :confused::biggrin: I don't know why you guys don't take her seriously ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 11:56:44 AM
You just don't get it. :rolleyes:
No, I really do, and I understand your point on .. who are we to say who can and who cannot have....but...the way I see it....somebody has too.........when you have proven whacknut leaders who claim they WILL use nukes IF they get them, such as Iran's leader...
and why is it that the US (clinton) felt it was BEST for us to give them $5 BILLION dollars and "TELL THEM" to freeze their program?
They have been reported to have had chemical weapons for decades ...in 1994, the United States believed that North Korea had enough reprocessed plutonium to produce about 10 bombs ..all of that along with the likes of kim jong il who has been linked by defectors to international terrorist activities, including the 1986 bombing of a Korean Airlines jet in which 115 people died.... do we really want to allow this guy to have nukes?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 12:16:00 PM
No, I really do, and I understand your point on .. who are we to say who can and who cannot have....but...the way I see it....somebody has too.........when you have proven whacknut leaders who claim they WILL use nukes IF they get them, such as Iran's leader...
and why is it that the US (clinton) felt it was BEST for us to give them $5 BILLION dollars and "TELL THEM" to freeze their program?
I agree that it is not in the best interest of the world for N. Korea to have nuclear missiles but we have no right to dictate that to them so we should be prepared to offer them some incentive to see things our way. Clinton did so and they froze their program. Bush threatened them for years and only steeled their resolve. Which was more effective?
QuoteThey have been reported to have had chemical weapons for decades ...in 1994, the United States believed that North Korea had enough reprocessed plutonium to produce about 10 bombs ..all of that along with the likes of kim jong il who has been linked by defectors to international terrorist activities, including the 1986 bombing of a Korean Airlines jet in which 115 people died.... do we really want to allow this guy to have nukes?
I know that Bush was your hero and he did it all of the time but you should try to avoid pulling "facts" out of your ass as it weakens your argument.
And there you go again with that "allow" stuff; he doesn't answer to us, ergo, doesn't need our permission. You know, a lot of gun control advocates could use the same logic: "Do we really want to allow Henry to have guns?"
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 12:44:16 PM
I agree that it is not in the best interest of the world for N. Korea to have nuclear missiles but we have no right to dictate that to them so we should be prepared to offer them some incentive to see things our way. Clinton did so and they froze their program. Bush threatened them for years and only steeled their resolve. Which was more effective?
I know that Bush was your hero and he did it all of the time but you should try to avoid pulling "facts" out of your ass as it weakens your argument.
And there you go again with that "allow" stuff; he doesn't answer to us, ergo, doesn't need our permission. You know, a lot of gun control advocates could use the same logic: "Do we really want to allow Henry to have guns?"
some things ARE black and white........looking at things with rose colored glasses only fools the viewer.....there is RIGHT and there is wrong....if something is wrong...somebody has GOT to fix it........and in this day and time.....fixing something is NOT an easy task, because too many chiefs and not enough indians, might be the best way to see it....
again Ex, I understand your point, it would be great if we could sit down with some of these whacknuts, and make EVERYONE happy.......but that is NOT the way it works or ever will........I think Clintons tactics only told the world, if you act crazy enough and scream loud enough, the US will give you money to support your agenda......I'm tired of liberals who claim we are the bad guys.........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 01:02:48 PM
again Ex, I understand your point, it would be great if we could sit down with some of these whacknuts, and make EVERYONE happy.......but that is NOT the way it works or ever will........I think Clintons tactics only told the world, if you act crazy enough and scream loud enough, the US will give you money to support your agenda......I'm tired of liberals who claim we are the bad guys.........
Bullshit. This country has been paying out money to countries all over the world for decades for diplomatic purposes. Clinton didn't invent it.
Again, the proof of any strategy is in the results. Clinton's strategy for N.Korea achieved the desired results. Bush's had the opposite effect. It seems pretty straightforward.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 01:14:46 PM
Bullshit. This country has been paying out money to countries all over the world for decades for diplomatic purposes. Clinton didn't invent it.
Again, the proof of any strategy is in the results. Clinton's strategy for N.Korea achieved the desired results. Bush's had the opposite effect. It seems pretty straightforward.
I never SAID Clinton invented it, now did I?...........I know damn well we been doing this crap for decades...and it sucks!!!
You can never prove that Clintons strategy was working.....hell if anything it is obvious, that we probably BOUGHT the shit for them....I think Bush's strategy calls them out for what they are...it is time to quit pussyfooting around with these nutjobs......the world WILL be a safer place if we do.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 01:21:39 PM
I never SAID Clinton invented it, now did I?...........I know damn well we been doing this crap for decades...and it sucks!!!
Yes, paying for what you want sucks. I think I'll go get a new car tonight and when the dealer wants money, I'll just slap the piss out of him and tell him to suck it!
QuoteYou can never prove that Clintons strategy was working.....hell if anything it is obvious, that we probably BOUGHT the shit for them...
Which part of verification by international investigators do you have a hard time understanding?
QuoteI think Bush's strategy calls them out for what they are...it is time to quit pussyfooting around with these nutjobs......the world WILL be a safer place if we do.
I think that strategy screams, "small dick".
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Yes, paying for what you want sucks. I think I'll go get a new car tonight and when the dealer wants money, I'll just slap the piss out of him and tell him to suck it!
wtf?...how did you arrive at that stupid arse conclusion?.......how about if that dealer was a crook and wanted 1/10th of your annual salary....for car that you did NOT really need in the first place....maybe you should be thinking about a motorcycle instead....and to boot it all, this guy threatens you that if you don't give him what he wants....he might get it from a Chinese guy who really WANTS him to have what he WANTS?
okay.....now I'm confused.... :confused:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Which part of verification by international investigators do you have a hard time understanding?
oh yeah, Kofi Annan and His UN Security Council was clearly a trustworth group of young men,....why are you so eager to trust such an organization?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
I think that strategy screams, "small dick".
it seems like you have that on the brain way too much.... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
wtf?...how did you arrive at that stupid arse conclusion?.......how about if that dealer was a crook and wanted 1/10th of your annual salary....for car that you did NOT really need in the first place....maybe you should be thinking about a motorcycle instead....and to boot it all, this guy threatens you that if you don't give him what he wants....he might get it from a Chinese guy who really WANTS him to have what he WANTS?
Which part of 'we have no authority to demand anything from N.Korea' don't you get? In tha absence of said authority, using incentives is not only reasonable but warranted.
Quoteoh yeah, Kofi Annan and His UN Security Council was clearly a trustworth group of young men,....why are you so eager to trust such an organization?
While the International Atomic Energy Agency does operate under a UN charter and reports its findings to the UN, it is a separate and independent entity.
Quoteit seems like you have that on the brain way too much.... :razz:
Because it's so typical for the guy with the inch high private eye to try to make up for his inadequacy and make himself feel like a man by pretending to be a tough guy.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
Which part of 'we have no authority to demand anything from N.Korea' don't you get? In tha absence of said authority, using incentives is not only reasonable but warranted.
after 9/11, we could NO-LONGER simply TRUST nations who had ties to terrorism...and he WAS linked by defectors to international terrorist activities, including the 1986 bombing of a Korean Airlines jet in which 115 people died...the only thing we and the UN, btw, demanded was that he quit any nuclear proliferations programs..
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
While the International Atomic Energy Agency does operate under a UN charter and reports its findings to the UN, it is a separate and independent entity.
oh, then they must be legit...and completely trustworthy...I'm sorry, they may be doing fantastic work, but IF they are tied, remotely to the UN, I find them to be skeptical at best....because they ARE politicaly motivated..
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
after 9/11, we could NO-LONGER simply TRUST nations who had ties to terrorism...and he WAS linked by defectors to international terrorist activities, including the 1986 bombing of a Korean Airlines jet in which 115 people died...the only thing we and the UN, btw, demanded was that he quit any nuclear proliferations programs..
Your claims of N. Korea's are mostly unfounded.
Quoteoh, then they must be legit...and completely trustworthy...I'm sorry, they may be doing fantastic work, but IF they are tied, remotely to the UN, I find them to be skeptical at best....because they ARE politicaly motivated..
No, Henry, they're lying just to piss you off. You should run to Washington and let Obama know about your superior knowledge and understanding of N. Korea's activities. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
Your claims of N. Korea's are mostly unfounded.
not completely unfounded... (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/world/asia/12korea.html)..but I am sure they are just lying to PISS YOU OFF...you always find a way to justify reports that fit YOUR agenda, but blast ones that does not.....funny huh... ;) :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 07, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
not completely unfounded... (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/world/asia/12korea.html)..but I am sure they are just lying to PISS YOU OFF...you always find a way to justify reports that fit YOUR agenda, but blast ones that does not.....funny huh... ;) :razz:
If by my agenda, you mean the truth then yes.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
If by my agenda, you mean the truth then yes.
check and check mate.... :razz: ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
If by my agenda, you mean the truth then yes.
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass Ex: I love the way you pooh pooh scholars, analysts, writers and reporters if they don't support your theories. Now I am going to take my poor little white trash body back to the trailer court, watch Oprah and eat bon bons the rest of the day. Have a good one Y'all
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 04:43:50 PM
Now I am going to take my poor little white trash body back to the trailer court, watch Oprah and eat bon bons the rest of the day.
Whoa! Now there's an image to conjure!
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Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 04:43:50 PM
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass Ex: I love the way you pooh pooh scholars, analysts, writers and reporters if they don't support your theories. Now I am going to take my poor little white trash body back to the trailer court, watch Oprah and eat bon bons the rest of the day. Have a good one Y'all
You're the one who's been representing yourself as something you're not; good to see you finally come clean. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
You're the one who's been representing yourself as something you're not; good to see you finally come clean. :biggrin:
I just love how you have a straight track into everyone's life and automatically know their age, sex, education level, income, and personal habits.
Hey everyone let me introduce you to God in the form of Exterminator. I mean it only makes sense since God knows all and sees all..... :biggrin: See Locutus, Sandy, and Dan....God really does exist and he really does suck.... :razz:
ZING! :icon_twisted: You're going to pay for that one, me.
Quote from: Ma and Pa on April 07, 2009, 05:39:38 PM
ZING! :icon_twisted: You're going to pay for that one, me.
I know..... :angel:
Pointing out the obvious doesn't make Ex special or God. It shows that he's capable of simple reading comprehension and discernment. Sorry, Ex :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
Pointing out the obvious doesn't make Ex special or God. It shows that he's capable of simple reading comprehension and discernment. Sorry, Ex :biggrin:
Well, lets put it this way. He professes to know all about a person and judges it on whether they agree with his opinions or not which is just plain wrong and I would say in most cases he is just as wrong as he is here. You can agree with him all you want but that still won't make him right. We have never dissed you or your education for disagreeing with our opinion so just continue on as you are and feel smug and smart thinking you know it all. How can you expect someone to listen to you if you won't listen to them? Putting someone down is not a way to prove a point or get anyone's attention it only means you have nothing of real substance to counter with.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 07, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
Pointing out the obvious doesn't make Ex special or God. It shows that he's capable of simple reading comprehension and discernment. Sorry, Ex :biggrin:
What are you smoking or taking??????????Ex is so far left there isn't a margin left. Stand next to him and see Sandy
Quote from: me on April 07, 2009, 06:06:13 PM
Well, lets put it this way. He professes to know all about a person and judges it on whether they agree with his opinions or not which is just plain wrong and I would say in most cases he is just as wrong as he is here. You can agree with him all you want but that still won't make him right. We have never dissed you or your education for disagreeing with our opinion so just continue on as you are and feel smug and smart thinking you know it all. How can you expect someone to listen to you if you won't listen to them? Putting someone down is not a way to prove a point or get anyone's attention it only means you have nothing of real substance to counter with.
Very well put and soooooooooooo True :biggrin: ;D
Quote from: me on April 07, 2009, 05:33:06 PM
I just love how you have a straight track into everyone's life and automatically know their age, sex, education level, income, and personal habits.
It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to glean who people are when they give you the information; it only takes a fairly decent memory.
I'm sorry...all of you with the bruised meat curtains are right and I'm wrong. The correct path to foreign relations should always start with bombing the fuck out of someone rather than even attempting dialogue. The efficacy of this strategy is evident in the inner city where the kids simply shoot each other rather than attempt any other means of problem resolution. I'm sure you've taught your children the same...real good job...very geebuz-like. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to glean who people are when they give you the information; it only takes a fairly decent memory.
Then you should have remembered that there have been a means to record TV programs for quite a few years now so you don't necessarily have to be home when a particular show is on....<your comment about mcgonser>
Quote from: me on April 07, 2009, 07:28:52 PM
Then you should have remembered that there have been a means to record TV programs for quite a few years now so you don't necessarily have to be home when a particular show is on....<your comment about mcgonser>
Pardon me if I seem incredulous. While I admit it's a cynical attitude, I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear or in this case, read.
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
What are you smoking or taking??????????Ex is so far left there isn't a margin left. Stand next to him and see Sandy
Actually, I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Nothing would please me more than to keep the government as far out of my life and my pocket as possible but if they're going to take my money anyway, I prefer that they use it to make life for everyone
here in this country better rather than traipsing around the globe stirring up shit to benefit the corporations that installed them into office.
I believe that both major political parties are inherently corrupt but the Republicans are worse because they're hypocrites. When the Dems get caught with their pants around their ankles, at least they aren't holding a freakin' bible.
No, they are holding a cigar and blue stained dress.
N Korea threatens 'strong steps'
The satellite is transmitting data and revolutionary songs, Pyongyang says
A North Korean diplomat warns "strong steps" would follow should the UN take action against the country after its launch of a satellite on Sunday.
The UN Security Council has been debating whether North Korea should be punished for the launch.
The US, Japan and key European powers say the launch was a ballistic test in clear violation of a UN resolution.
China and Russia have been more cautious, saying they are yet to be convinced Pyongyang broke the rules.
Pyongyang says the test of the three-stage Taepodong-2 rocket was a success, putting a satellite into orbit which is now transmitting data and revolutionary songs.
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 08:06:13 PM
No, they are holding a cigar and blue stained dress.
My point, since you're obviously too dense to grasp it, is that Clinton never presented himself as the most virtuous man on the planet. He wasn't rallying against gays while he was trying to pick up a man in an airport restroom or trying to foist some bullshit sense of morality onto everyone else while trying to bang a teenage page. Judging from your contempt at even the suggestion of helping the less fortunate in this country if it'll cost you a dime, it appears that this attitude is not unique to the party leaders but is endemic. If the stories about Jesus are to be believed, he was the ultimate social liberal but, sadly, those of you who claim to follow his teachings missed that most important lesson.
Quote from: me on April 07, 2009, 06:06:13 PMHow can you expect someone to listen to you if you won't listen to them?
When someone's "rebuttal" to a post which they can't refute, understand or begin to contradict with facts or logic is
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 11:37:36 AM
Yes you are a democrat in disguise: You just don't get it. You silly, silly flea collar.
how do you honestly expect anyone to take them seriously? and how can you very well attempt to chastise someone else and ignore this exact same behavior?
Quote from: mcgonser on April 07, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
What are you smoking or taking??????????Ex is so far left there isn't a margin left. Stand next to him and see Sandy
So, I disagree and rather than provide a logical and well thought out response as to why I might be wrong, the best you can do is accuse me of "smoking or taking" something.
The way I see it, with responses like this, you get what you deserve.
Yep, thats the best I can do. Since being on this forum I have called a liar, ignorant, unimformed, and alot of other things for my opinion. I just guess I thought it was the way things are around here. Yuk Yuk Yuk
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2009, 03:39:59 PM
Ignorance is bliss!
Here are some well thought out arguments on this forum lately:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
Wrong but thanks for reiterating just how uninformed you are.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 09:47:46 AM
Wrong but nice try. You might as well hold up a sign professing your ignorance.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 07:26:21 PM
I'm sorry...all of you with the bruised meat curtains are right and I'm wrong. The correct path to foreign relations should always start with bombing the fuck out of someone rather than even attempting dialogue. The efficacy of this strategy is evident in the inner city where the kids simply shoot each other rather than attempt any other means of problem resolution. I'm sure you've taught your children the same...real good job...very geebuz-like. :rolleyes:
One of my favorites:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 07, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
Your claims of N. Korea's are mostly unfounded.
No, Henry, they're lying just to piss you off. You should run to Washington and let Obama know about your superior knowledge and understanding of N. Korea's activities. :rolleyes:
You see, you can't have it my way all the time. Some of you are needlessly rude and offensive and you think its ok. When someone disagrees with you you bash and trash their opinion and themselves. Whatever!
Quote from: mcgonser on April 08, 2009, 08:02:57 AM
You see, you can't have it my way all the time. Some of you are needlessly rude and offensive and you think its ok. When someone disagrees with you you bash and trash their opinion and themselves. Whatever!
You remind me of a poster on the old Anderson forum who seemed to think she had some god given right to be as rude and offensive as she saw fit and then constantly complained about how she was attacked without provocation...such a victim...whaaaaaaaaa!
This is pretty simple English but if you need for me to try to simplify it for you, I will: "A rough & tumble forum for all topics & discussions. If you play here be prepared to take your lumps (and don't whine to mgmt)."
So then a civil conversation free from being called names and put down is not to be expected from you. Is that correct? Your opinion is the only opinion and if we don't agree with it we should expect to be called names because.........you fill in the blanks. Question. Are your private parts as small as your mind? Maybe that's your major problem and you make up for it by putting others down. I think today I just might give what you and some of the others give as far as conversation to show you how it feels and what it accomplishes. Hope your undereducated minds can comprehend it.
Quote from: me on April 08, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
So then a civil conversation free from being called names and put down is not to be expected from you. Is that correct? Your opinion is the only opinion and if we don't agree with it we should expect to be called names because.........you fill in the blanks.
If you are incapable of rational, logical thought processes and instead choose to be led by right-wing douchebags, that is fine with me but if you come here and parrot what they tell you to believe and its basis is in ignorance, expect me to call you out.
QuoteQuestion. Are your private parts as small as your mind?
My privates are quite adequate, thank you; I'll bet yours is huge!
QuoteI think today I just might give what you and some of the others give as far as conversation to show you how it feels and what it accomplishes.
Bring it on but don't whine when your mud flaps get bruised.
QuoteHope your undereducated minds can comprehend it.
LMFAO! Yeah, go with that...yee-haw!
:sm39: :sm39: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :bow: :bow:<-----NOT.....
Only those who are small of mind could come up with such drivel. Actually I probably won't, unless pushed, bring myself down to your level. My vocabulary is large enough I don't need to figure out names to call people who don't agree with me.
:bs: I didn't figure you could stand the heat.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 08, 2009, 09:26:16 AM
:bs: I didn't figure you could stand the heat.
Oh no, on the contrary. Continue on with the topic at hand and if I feel the need I'll jump in. Like I said, I just consider the source, ignore you, and go on.
Quote from: me on April 08, 2009, 09:45:50 AM
Oh no, on the contrary. Continue on with the topic at hand and if I feel the need I'll jump in. Like I said, I just consider the source, ignore you, and go on.
Yes, God forbid you learn anything.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 08, 2009, 09:58:42 AM
Yes, God forbid you learn anything.
I'm trying my best not to learn how to put people down and name call since that's all you seem to be able to teach. :razz:
Quote from: me on April 08, 2009, 10:02:23 AM
I'm trying my best not to learn how to put people down and name call since that's all you seem to be able to teach. :razz:
I see. So telling someone, "Read, Forrest, read," is not implying that the person you are addressing is retarded; right?
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Man Ex you are breaking my heart with your pitiful story. I am not whining just stating the truth, but I didn't realize that you would not get it. Man you are just plain pitiful!!!!!
Quote from: mcgonser on April 08, 2009, 10:15:59 AM
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Man Ex you are breaking my heart with your pitiful story. I am not whining just stating the truth, but I didn't realize that you would not get it. Man you are just plain pitiful!!!!!
WTF are you talking about? Are you senile?
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Have we begged North Korea to please not do this again yet? The UN/NATO might have to write them a letter of disapproval. How about just leaving them completely alone....all this crap is just stroking Kim Jong's ego. Go in and wipe the jackass out or leave them alone.
Quote from: DannyBoy on April 09, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
Have we begged North Korea to please not do this again yet? The UN/NATO might have to write them a letter of disapproval. How about just leaving them completely alone....all this crap is just stroking Kim Jong's ego. Go in and wipe the jackass out or leave them alone.
Makes perfect sense to me.
We could threaten their fearless leader that we will make him use mousse and comb his hair. Oooooooh nooooooo!
Quote from: mcgonser on April 09, 2009, 10:40:19 PM
We could threaten their fearless leader that we will make him use mousse and comb his hair. Oooooooh nooooooo!
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