God sucks!

[Exterminator]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Carl Jung wrote of "racial memory" in which he espouses the idea that our very atoms possess some sort of "memory"

And Jack London expanded on the idea in "Before Adam"

Feel free to come back and tell us about the afterlife.  I'm betting there'll be nothing.

[dan foster]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Carl Jung wrote of "racial memory" in which he espouses the idea that our very atoms possess some sort of "memory"

And Jack London expanded on the idea in "Before Adam"

Well, let's see; the human body is about 61.8 percent water, by weight.  The water molecules in your body dry up and enter the ground around you, if ever so slowly.  Maybe you provide enough moisture to wet the skin of a deeply buried toad or some form of larvae.  Since they replace your blood (which is about 95 percent water), you don't really have much water left, anyway.  The carbon molecules don't really get out of the vault you are in (fat, protein, etc).  So, what do you contribute to, in the end?

Of course, the best way to go is cremation; all the water and most of the carbon in your body is released to the air or in the form of ash that can be scattered somewhere where it can be used again.  Otherwise, you can only hope for a leaky (buy a cheap one) casket that allows the worms in. 

That takes care of your body, and that is all that is left when you die.  I wouldn't set up shop finding new uses for them, just yet (we have enough churches already).

[Sandy Eggo]

God Made Me Do It:

Faith killing. A young mother maintained that voices in her head told her to test her faith in God, causing her to repeatedly slam her infant son to the ground and down a flight of stairs. Jennifer Cisowski, 21, of Connecticut, killed her 8-month-old son Gideon Fusscas in his grandmother's upscale Florida home on Aug. 21, later saying she believed he would rise from the dead if her faith were strong enough. Source: Tampa Tribune, Aug. 22, 2001

"Mama, I love you." A Talladega County jury in August found Teresa Ann Archie, 40, guilty of the 1996 murder of her daughter Shavon Jackson. Archie, a paranoid schizophrenic, chased her daughter through their home, shooting her twice in the back after becoming convinced her 16-year-old was possessed by Satan, and that God wanted her to cleanse her home of all Satanic influence. She told police Shavon's last words were: "Mama, don't shoot me, I love you." She replied, "I know, Baby, but I have to do the Lord's will." Source: The Daily Home, Aug. 15, 2001

"Killer, we support you." "I killed the women for the sake of God, and for the protection of my religion because they were prostitutes and [were] corrupting other people," Iranian construction worker Saeed Hanaei admitted to reporters in July, after police fingered him as their suspect in the killing of 19 prostitutes in Mashhad. Each was killed on a Sunday--strangled with a headscarf. Neighbors gathered outside his home chanting "Hanaei, the killer of corrupt people, we support you." Source: Associated Press, July 26/30, 2001

"Possessed woman." Andrea Yates, the religious Dallas mother charged with drowning her 5 children in the bathtub, told family members from jail she thinks the "devil" is in her. Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, July 1, 2001

Naked avenger. A naked man who pelted rocks at a woman walking her dog and struck her with his car in January told police "demons wanted him to destroy her," and he was naked "so he could enter the kingdom of God." Jessica Fulcher, 28, survived the assault. Source: Loveland Reporter-Herald, Jan. 15, 2001

God's crime spree. God made him commit a crime spree was the defense of bible-toting Henry Glen West, sentenced by an Okahoma County judge in April to two life terms. During West's 5-hour crime spree in January 1998, he severely beat his brother, raped his brother's girlfriend, broke into a house, robbed a convenience store clerk and then tried to run her over twice. At a second convenience store, he repeatedly shot the husband-and-wife owners. Source: Daily Oklahoman, April 21, 2001

Religiously-motivated stabbing. A man who fatally stabbed his son and tried to kill his mother-in-law and daughter was motivated by religion, according to relatives. Joseph Herman Dartez, Jr., 31, Houston, was pondering whether to leave a Christian church to join the Muslim faith when he assaulted his family in the middle of the night. Source: San Antonio Express, May 30, 2001

Sainted mob. A mob summoned by a church bell in Mexico City beat to death a man accused of trying to steal a statue of the neighborhood's patron saint. The 3-hour beating occurred next to a local police station. Source: AP/Tulsa World, July 27, 2001


Stealing in the Name of God

"I've been a securities regulator for 20 years, and I've seen more money stolen in the name of God than in any other way," Deborah R. Bortner, president of the North American Securities Administrators Association, said at a news conference on Aug. 7.

She warned that "affinity fraud"--the building of trust through religious and other loyalty, is increasing. In the last three years, religious con artists in 27 states have scammed at least 90,000 investors, costing more than $1.8 billion.

By comparison, about 13,000 investors lost $450 million in religion-based fraud over the previous 5-year period.

"Con artists are clearly preying on the faithful more than ever before," said Bortner. "The con artist makes faith in God synonymous with faith in the investment scam."

The caveat by the Association came a day after the sentencing of Gerald Payne, founder of the Tampa-based Greater Ministries International Church, to 27 years in prison for one of the nation's largest Ponzi schemes. Payne and his partners took in almost $580 million by promising 20,000 investors that the ministry would double their money through "divinely-inspired investments."

Another recent high profile case involves the Baptist Foundation of Arizona, created in 1948 under the auspices of the Southern Baptist State Convention of Arizona, which raised $590 million through 120 shell corporations.

http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2001/sep01/other.html

[Bo D]

Well, let's see; the human body is about 61.8 percent water, by weight.  The water molecules in your body dry up and enter the ground around you, if ever so slowly.  Maybe you provide enough moisture to wet the skin of a deeply buried toad or some form of larvae.  Since they replace your blood (which is about 95 percent water), you don't really have much water left, anyway.  The carbon molecules don't really get out of the vault you are in (fat, protein, etc).  So, what do you contribute to, in the end?

Of course, the best way to go is cremation; all the water and most of the carbon in your body is released to the air or in the form of ash that can be scattered somewhere where it can be used again.  Otherwise, you can only hope for a leaky (buy a cheap one) casket that allows the worms in. 

That takes care of your body, and that is all that is left when you die.  I wouldn't set up shop finding new uses for them, just yet (we have enough churches already).

First of all, (for Ex) you may recall I asked "Let's step away from the religious concept for just a second." I now realize that maybe I should have started a new thread given the title of this one. My bad.

Second, (for Dan) I didn't mention molecules. But yes, you are correct about the casket. The Indians had a better idea. Put the bodies up on a platform and let the little animal eat them.

Your question "So, what do you contribute to, in the end?" ... You don't have to wait until the end. Your body is constantly sloughing off dead cells that is food for the tiny animals. Your excrement is being composted and spread on roadsides to fertilize the grass to feed the deer, etc., etc.

[dan foster]

First of all, (for Ex) you may recall I asked "Let's step away from the religious concept for just a second." I now realize that maybe I should have started a new thread given the title of this one. My bad.

Second, (for Dan) I didn't mention molecules. But yes, you are correct about the casket. The Indians had a better idea. Put the bodies up on a platform and let the little animal eat them.

Your question "So, what do you contribute to, in the end?" ... You don't have to wait until the end. Your body is constantly sloughing off dead cells that is food for the tiny animals. Your excrement is being composted and spread on roadsides to fertilize the grass to feed the deer, etc., etc.

Yuk.  I would bet some of us contribute more than others 

[Locutus]

Yuk.  I would bet some of us contribute more than others 

I'd go so far as to say some contribute a LOT more than others.

[Henry Hawk]

hank's insistence that the founders were all card-carrying christians, etc.  That is an absolute lie and I WILL attack that kind of stuff.  I AM still puzzled how people can believe the ridiculous, but I only make inquiries into that.  I don't think I have attacked anyone for believing as they do.  I may have done so in the past out of frustration, but you make it sound like I do it routinely. 

First of all.....I have NEVER said they were "card-carrying christians"...I have been through this a thousand times on here....I HAVE stated that the VAST Majority of those guys were Bible-believing and had faith in the Creator...It is YOU who continue to claim that they were ALL diests or athiests.......and THAT is NOT true what-so-ever...and I have proved it with sound resources....and you ALWAYS,...ALWAYS comeback with a fury and half pissed..or lie pari sadi..lack of tolerance for others beliefs...and THAT was routinely....THAT is why I discontinued conversing with you (for the most part anyway)

[dan foster]

hank's insistence that the founders were all card-carrying christians, etc.  That is an absolute lie and I WILL attack that kind of stuff.  I AM still puzzled how people can believe the ridiculous, but I only make inquiries into that.  I don't think I have attacked anyone for believing as they do.  I may have done so in the past out of frustration, but you make it sound like I do it routinely. 

First of all.....I have NEVER said they were "card-carrying christians"...I have been through this a thousand times on here....I HAVE stated that the VAST Majority of those guys were Bible-believing and had faith in the Creator...It is YOU who continue to claim that they were ALL diests or athiests.......and THAT is NOT true what-so-ever...and I have proved it with sound resources....and you ALWAYS,...ALWAYS comeback with a fury and half pissed..or lie pari sadi..lack of tolerance for others beliefs...and THAT was routinely....THAT is why I discontinued conversing with you (for the most part anyway)

Nope.  Sorry.  The principal founders were not only NOT christians, they were NOT bible toting worshipers of your god, no matter how many times and different ways you claim them to be.  MOST were deists.  They rejected christianity AND the god of the bible.  AND, they sure didn't want any of that interfering with the gov't they were embarking on.  Anything else is simply a lie.

[mcgonser]

hank's insistence that the founders were all card-carrying christians, etc.  That is an absolute lie and I WILL attack that kind of stuff.  I AM still puzzled how people can believe the ridiculous, but I only make inquiries into that.  I don't think I have attacked anyone for believing as they do.  I may have done so in the past out of frustration, but you make it sound like I do it routinely. 

First of all.....I have NEVER said they were "card-carrying christians"...I have been through this a thousand times on here....I HAVE stated that the VAST Majority of those guys were Bible-believing and had faith in the Creator...It is YOU who continue to claim that they were ALL diests or athiests.......and THAT is NOT true what-so-ever...and I have proved it with sound resources....and you ALWAYS,...ALWAYS comeback with a fury and half pissed..or lie pari sadi..lack of tolerance for others beliefs...and THAT was routinely....THAT is why I discontinued conversing with you (for the most part anyway)

Nope.  Sorry.  The principal founders were not only NOT christians, they were NOT bible toting worshipers of your god, no matter how many times and different ways you claim them to be.  MOST were deists.  They rejected christianity AND the god of the bible.  AND, they sure didn't want any of that interfering with the gov't they were embarking on.  Anything else is simply a lie.

Whats the deal? got an inside line to our forefathers or something. do you talk to them at seance's? Weird! You have come to your conclusion from what you have read or heard, but you are dead wrong. Funny, dead! It is the height of arrogance to think that your opinion is the only one that is right. Thats alright, I really don't expect any different. I personally don't know who was a christian or not, who was a deist or not, but I think that not all of them was any one thing. Shame on you for you egotisical and biased rant.

[dan foster]

hank's insistence that the founders were all card-carrying christians, etc.  That is an absolute lie and I WILL attack that kind of stuff.  I AM still puzzled how people can believe the ridiculous, but I only make inquiries into that.  I don't think I have attacked anyone for believing as they do.  I may have done so in the past out of frustration, but you make it sound like I do it routinely. 

First of all.....I have NEVER said they were "card-carrying christians"...I have been through this a thousand times on here....I HAVE stated that the VAST Majority of those guys were Bible-believing and had faith in the Creator...It is YOU who continue to claim that they were ALL diests or athiests.......and THAT is NOT true what-so-ever...and I have proved it with sound resources....and you ALWAYS,...ALWAYS comeback with a fury and half pissed..or lie pari sadi..lack of tolerance for others beliefs...and THAT was routinely....THAT is why I discontinued conversing with you (for the most part anyway)

Nope.  Sorry.  The principal founders were not only NOT christians, they were NOT bible toting worshipers of your god, no matter how many times and different ways you claim them to be.  MOST were deists.  They rejected christianity AND the god of the bible.  AND, they sure didn't want any of that interfering with the gov't they were embarking on.  Anything else is simply a lie.

Whats the deal? got an inside line to our forefathers or something. do you talk to them at seance's? Weird! You have come to your conclusion from what you have read or heard, but you are dead wrong. Funny, dead! It is the height of arrogance to think that your opinion is the only one that is right. Thats alright, I really don't expect any different. I personally don't know who was a christian or not, who was a deist or not, but I think that not all of them was any one thing. Shame on you for you egotisical and biased rant.

My opinion is really of no consequence, at all.  The only thing that really matters is the elimination of any reference to a "god" in our Constitution, and the strict edict to keep church and state separate, within it as well.  No opinion can change that and I am proud the lies of a "christian nation" will never prevail.

[mcgonser]

Nope.  Sorry.  The principal founders were not only NOT christians, they were NOT bible toting worshipers of your god, no matter how many times and different ways you claim them to be.  MOST were deists.  They rejected christianity AND the god of the bible.  AND, they sure didn't want any of that interfering with the gov't they were embarking on.  Anything else is simply a lie.
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My opinion is really of no consequence, at all.  The only thing that really matters is the elimination of any reference to a "god" in our Constitution, and the strict edict to keep church and state separate, within it as well.  No opinion can change that and I am proud the lies of a "christian nation" will never prevail.
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Yet these deists and non believers put God in our constitution: Could it be that they reconized how important God was, or even that there is a God? Tell me since you seem to know everything they were thinking and doing. Oh powerful one.

[Exterminator]

Yet these deists and non believers put God in our constitution: Could it be that they reconized how important God was, or even that there is a God? Tell me since you seem to know everything they were thinking and doing. Oh powerful one.

They did?  Can you show me where in the Constitution god is mentioned?

[Henry Hawk]

Nope.  Sorry.  The principal founders were not only NOT christians, they were NOT bible toting worshipers of your god, no matter how many times and different ways you claim them to be.  MOST were deists.  They rejected christianity AND the god of the bible.  AND, they sure didn't want any of that interfering with the gov't they were embarking on.  Anything else is simply a lie.

Why do you think the Continental Congress began its sessions with prayer, a practice that is followed by both houses of congress even today......are they praying to the boogie man?...the Bible was endorsed by our Founders....they even purchase 20,000 bibles for this nation....there is NO lie....the vast majority of those guys went to a Christian Church...regularly....

you show me where they 'rejected' Christianity...they didn't.

I KNOW that our Constitution does not have God mentioned in it....(directly)....and I believe that our forefathers never intended to have God pushed upon anyone...nor, did they ever think that God should be cast aside or not be revered.  But to say that God and the Bible did NOT influence the frame of thought of these guys that wrote our Constitution is wrong....there are several direct quotes that support this...and the people of that era held God as a revered institution...look at the preambles to every State Constitution...look at the founding Universities.....God was/is a enormous part of this Nations heritage....anything else is a lie. 

[Exterminator]

I KNOW that our Constitution does not have God mentioned in it....(directly)....

Or indirectly.

[Henry Hawk]

I KNOW that our Constitution does not have God mentioned in it....(directly)....

Or indirectly.

God is not anywhere mentioned in the Book of Esther in the Old Testament...but it is clear His hand was throughout it....as many Americans believe that God's hand is clearly written in the Constitution...though He is not mentioned.