God sucks!

[pariann]

Probably because we, the humans, are his creation.  His children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, et al.  Would you not be concerned about all that has life because of you?   I know I am.....my children, my grandchildren, and perhaps even one day, should I live long enough, my great grandchildren.

The premise would be that God did not just create something and then forgot about it.

And he may be just as concerned with the animal, fowl, and sea creature business.  Just as concerned with the flora and fauna as well.  Every living organism on Earth. 

I don't know about a lack of humility, I don't belong to an organized religion.

[dan foster]

Probably because we, the humans, are his creation.  His children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, et al.  Would you not be concerned about all that has life because of you?   I know I am.....my children, my grandchildren, and perhaps even one day, should I live long enough, my great grandchildren.

The premise would be that God did not just create something and then forgot about it.

And he may be just as concerned with the animal, fowl, and sea creature business.  Just as concerned with the flora and fauna as well.  Every living organism on Earth. 

I don't know about a lack of humility, I don't belong to an organized religion.

Are you a christian?

[followsthewolf]

We just can't face the fact that the universe doesn't give a damn whether we are here or not. The Earth could vaporize, and the universe wouldn't even know.

Most people need to think that we matter.

[pariann]

I'm a human being.  I believe in a creator.  But a lot of people who call themselves Christian, wouldn't like some of the ideas I have regarding my spirituality.

[dan foster]

I'm a human being.  I believe in a creator.  But a lot of people who call themselves Christian, wouldn't like some of the ideas I have regarding my spirituality.

You sound like a deist, then.  However, most deists, including our founders, don't believe in the idea that the deity intrudes in anyone's personal lives.  Why do you?

[Locutus]

You sound like a deist, then.  However, most deists, including our founders, don't believe in the idea that the deity intrudes in anyone's personal lives.  Why do you?

Especially since there's an astounding amount of evidence supporting the fact that it doesn't. 

[pariann]

Why do you assume it's 'intruding'?  I keep concern over my children and grandchildren, and I don't have to intrude into their lives to be concerned.

[dan foster]

Why do you assume it's 'intruding'?  I keep concern over my children and grandchildren, and I don't have to intrude into their lives to be concerned.

Yes, but all the worrying in the world won't change the outcome of anything, without injecting your presence into their lives.  You can't just wish them well and never have any contact with them, their parents, or some other REAL thing in their life.  Do you think there is a deity that just sits around all day doing nothing but brooding over our state as a planet and people?  And, if there isn't any contact, then HOW DO YOU KNOW?

[pariann]

Well since I'm using myself as an example of a 'creator' of a few select human beings, I shall make the comparison in this way.   I have a presence in their lives.  Granted, I'm a physical being that you can see and touch, but only if you are where I am.  Otherwise, I'm out of sight, yet they still know I exist.  When they need me in their lives, they put in a call, I may not be available to answer their call, so they leave a message.  When I can fulfill whatever need it is, I do.  Sometimes though, the answer is No.  I may feel they need to try harder to accomplish what they need done on their own.  That's like prayer, in a way.  I pray often. I ask for help and guidance. I feel that more often than not, I receive a yes to my needs.  And if I were keeping a daily diary here of my 24/7 life you would understand why I feel that way.  You can use the word 'coincidence' if you like, but it just happens too often for me to be able to use that word.

So in my belief system, I feel that God does look out for his people and only 'intrudes' as a parent might, when it's absolutely necessary, otherwise, like a good parent, will only intervene if what you need is truly a need that should be met.   I believe a lot of things that Christians wouldn't like, that aren't necessarily written down in the book.  I am not going to give a tutorial on my belief's, and you can tear apart what I have just written if you like.  But it won't change the way I feel, and what I experience more often than not in my life. There is something there, and it's just not that easy to define for those who choose to deal with what we consider logic and factual evidence.

[Ma and Pa]

Pariann: How very well put. I really got something out of that post. Thank you.

[me]

Yes, that was very well put.  That's the way it is with my kids and me.  We don't talk every day or see each other every day but we all know if one of us needs the other we will be there whether it's to talk, a shoulder to lean on, or help in any other way.  As far as interfering in each others lives it just don't happen.   

[dan foster]

Well since I'm using myself as an example of a 'creator' of a few select human beings, I shall make the comparison in this way.   I have a presence in their lives.  Granted, I'm a physical being that you can see and touch, but only if you are where I am.  Otherwise, I'm out of sight, yet they still know I exist.  When they need me in their lives, they put in a call, I may not be available to answer their call, so they leave a message.  When I can fulfill whatever need it is, I do.  Sometimes though, the answer is No.  I may feel they need to try harder to accomplish what they need done on their own.  That's like prayer, in a way.  I pray often. I ask for help and guidance. I feel that more often than not, I receive a yes to my needs.  And if I were keeping a daily diary here of my 24/7 life you would understand why I feel that way.  You can use the word 'coincidence' if you like, but it just happens too often for me to be able to use that word.

So in my belief system, I feel that God does look out for his people and only 'intrudes' as a parent might, when it's absolutely necessary, otherwise, like a good parent, will only intervene if what you need is truly a need that should be met.   I believe a lot of things that Christians wouldn't like, that aren't necessarily written down in the book.  I am not going to give a tutorial on my belief's, and you can tear apart what I have just written if you like.  But it won't change the way I feel, and what I experience more often than not in my life. There is something there, and it's just not that easy to define for those who choose to deal with what we consider logic and factual evidence.

Unlike the telephone calls, the answering machine, your actual feedback to your grandchildren, etc, the only thing that exists between you and your deity is your imagination.  Nothing more.  Sorry.  Your grandchildren have physical evidence you exits.  You have none for your deity.  Just our imagination.

[dan foster]

Yes, that was very well put.  That's the way it is with my kids and me.  We don't talk every day or see each other every day but we all know if one of us needs the other we will be there whether it's to talk, a shoulder to lean on, or help in any other way.  As far as interfering in each others lives it just don't happen.

But, again, you have a real, physical presence that you and your children share.  I guess I just don't happen to need to think there is a "great father in the sky" looking out for me or something I can "lean on".  If your deity doesn't interfere, then it is just sitting around "worrying" about you.  Does that really help you, day to day; knowing the creator of the universe "worries" about you without interfering?  Seems humans, if that is a real need (genetically or otherwise), would probably have made up such a deity no matter what.  Oh, yeah.  That's right.  We did.

[dan foster]

pariann says: "I believe a lot of things that Christians wouldn't like, that aren't necessarily written down in the book.  I am not going to give a tutorial on my belief's"

Just out of curiosity, how did you come to this relationship with a deity?  If not written somewhere, or exposed to you through childhood church-going, etc, how is it you "stumbled" over this "friend" of yours?  If not through a religious experience, are you a movie buff on films like Harvey?

[mcgonser]

Well since I'm using myself as an example of a 'creator' of a few select human beings, I shall make the comparison in this way.   I have a presence in their lives.  Granted, I'm a physical being that you can see and touch, but only if you are where I am.  Otherwise, I'm out of sight, yet they still know I exist.  When they need me in their lives, they put in a call, I may not be available to answer their call, so they leave a message.  When I can fulfill whatever need it is, I do.  Sometimes though, the answer is No.  I may feel they need to try harder to accomplish what they need done on their own.  That's like prayer, in a way.  I pray often. I ask for help and guidance. I feel that more often than not, I receive a yes to my needs.  And if I were keeping a daily diary here of my 24/7 life you would understand why I feel that way.  You can use the word 'coincidence' if you like, but it just happens too often for me to be able to use that word.

So in my belief system, I feel that God does look out for his people and only 'intrudes' as a parent might, when it's absolutely necessary, otherwise, like a good parent, will only intervene if what you need is truly a need that should be met.   I believe a lot of things that Christians wouldn't like, that aren't necessarily written down in the book.  I am not going to give a tutorial on my belief's, and you can tear apart what I have just written if you like.  But it won't change the way I feel, and what I experience more often than not in my life. There is something there, and it's just not that easy to define for those who choose to deal with what we consider logic and factual evidence.

Very well said: