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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on April 13, 2009, 12:03:57 PM
If you went to school with a group of muslims during their holy days, how willing to sit by and bow your head would you be when they held their required prayer sessions?

If I went to a school, knowingly that it was predominatly Muslim...then I would have NO problem what-so-ever....

I think instead of excluding ALL prayer time.......there should be a time, everyday, where prayer for those who wish to particpate can be done witout ANY worry of being politically correct or upsetting anyone for doing so....be it a few moments of silence before classes officially begin....for those who are of NO religious affilitation....can still learn to be respectfull of those who are..and sit quietly.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 13, 2009, 12:34:13 PM
If I went to a school, knowingly that it was predominatly Muslim...then I would have NO problem what-so-ever....




What if your first or second grade children did? Would you want them exposed to something so diametrically opposed to your beliefs?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Bo D on April 13, 2009, 12:41:16 PM

What if your first or second grade children did? Would you want them exposed to something so diametrically opposed to your beliefs?

That is a great question.....IF, i had no other choice that to keep them in a school like that...I THINK, that I could use that opportunity to grow off of "our" Christian beliefs...and teach them, that we are commanded to LOVE our neighbors...and as long as there was no anomosity toward my child, sitting quietly during their prayer time....I think it would be NO problem what-so-ever.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on April 13, 2009, 01:00:09 PM
Bullshit alert!

why would you say that...IF, THAT was my only alternative.......that is exactly the way I would feel AND handle it....no BS at all... :no:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

pariann

I didn't know that prayer was completely removed from school.  The schools cannot lead prayer, but they don't stop anyone from praying.   AHS had in recent years a group of christian students who met at the flagpole before school and had prayer.  I know because I had to drop 20 off a couple of times and I sat and watched them do it. Since when does anyone who wishes to pray have to wait for a time to be set aside for it?    You can pray anytime, anywhere.   Does it have to out loud and distracting to other people?  No.   

I pray all the time, and you wouldn't know it while I was doing it......since it's none of your (anyone's) business what my relationship with God is, I don't feel the need to pray so everyone can hear me.
Looks like I've come full circle.

Bo D

Quote from: pariann on April 13, 2009, 02:01:26 PM
I didn't know that prayer was completely removed from school.  The schools cannot lead prayer, but they don't stop anyone from praying.   AHS had in recent years a group of christian students who met at the flagpole before school and had prayer.  I know because I had to drop 20 off a couple of times and I sat and watched them do it. Since when does anyone who wishes to pray have to wait for a time to be set aside for it?    You can pray anytime, anywhere.   Does it have to out loud and distracting to other people?  No.   

I pray all the time, and you wouldn't know it while I was doing it......since it's none of your (anyone's) business what my relationship with God is, I don't feel the need to pray so everyone can hear me.

Well put!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: pariann on April 13, 2009, 02:01:26 PM
I didn't know that prayer was completely removed from school.  The schools cannot lead prayer, but they don't stop anyone from praying.   AHS had in recent years a group of christian students who met at the flagpole before school and had prayer.  I know because I had to drop 20 off a couple of times and I sat and watched them do it. Since when does anyone who wishes to pray have to wait for a time to be set aside for it?    You can pray anytime, anywhere.   Does it have to out loud and distracting to other people?  No.  

I pray all the time, and you wouldn't know it while I was doing it......since it's none of your (anyone's) business what my relationship with God is, I don't feel the need to pray so everyone can hear me.

I agree.....and I am simply stating this for schools that does NOT allow it what-so-ever....and to be honest, I could not tell you if THIS trule IS a problem...I am only claiming in CASES that this may be true....I know, In my kids school, there is NO problems...a moment of silence has been allowed...and kids actually DO pray together with NO ramifications.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

LOsborne

Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 13, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
.and I am simply stating this for schools that does NOT allow it what-so-ever....
How could any school possibly outlaw silent prayer? How could the classroom police know whether a kid was praying, or catching a quick mental vacation?

dan foster

"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

dan foster

Quote from: mcgonser on April 13, 2009, 10:37:14 AM
No don't ignore the lies and deceits against God, continue to state his truth. They win when we are silent. Remember school prayer? It was taken because we were quiet. They also choose to believe what they want to. They spin facts and information to suit their opinion. Just remember to disagree agreeably. Something I struggle with all the time, as I get passionate sometimes. LOL

School prayer is fine for religious schools.  Send your kids there.  It has no place in a taxpayer funded school.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

dan foster

Quote from: mcgonser on April 13, 2009, 11:02:36 AM
Yes, they did. I grew up with prayer in school and let me tell you it is not there now.
Some schools have been told that they can't have prayer groups before or after school
Some atheists have petitioned to not have prayer before school sport events

All it takes is a few, not majority, to complain that their civil rights are being violated and it is taken away. We are no longer ruled by God Fearing-Loving People, but by whiners and complainers. JMO

Yes, it is just awful how in this country, under this Constitution, the tyranny of the majority is checked.  We are a nation of laws, not mobs.  If you want mob rule, then you will need to live somewhere else.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

dan foster

Quote from: mcgonser on April 13, 2009, 11:02:36 AM
Yes, they did. I grew up with prayer in school and let me tell you it is not there now.
Some schools have been told that they can't have prayer groups before or after school
Some atheists have petitioned to not have prayer before school sport events

All it takes is a few, not majority, to complain that their civil rights are being violated and it is taken away. We are no longer ruled by God Fearing-Loving People, but by whiners and complainers. JMO
I grew up saying the pledge without "under god" in it.  Now it is a prayer.  Sad.  See, you gave up a christian prayer in school for a deist one.  Just can't win, can you.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

dan foster

Quote from: mcgonser on April 13, 2009, 11:16:44 AM
He is not smart enough to realize that at that time the majority of people were Christians and didn't mind prayer. I again state it was a few whiners and dissenters who through the ACLu(a group of communist-socialist lawyers) took it away. We were asleep at the wheel and didn't think it could happen. But it did
You know, I bet you really resent having to drink from the same water fountain, use the same public facilities and ride in front of the bus with those colored people, too.  Most christians, and the majority of Americans thought that was OK, too, once upon a time.  But, again, we aren't the country of your mob, but the country of OUR laws.   
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

dan foster

I am a proud sponsor of the ACLU.  Everyone should be; at least those who cherish the freedoms we were founded on.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke