God sucks!

[Bo D]

Are you sure?

The Bible has very clear Genaelogies in Genesis and I Chronicles that give the ages of the descendants of Adam. This allows very precise calculations of the time that lapsed from Adam to Abraham. Historians have also identified not only the time when Abraham lived, but also King David and even Jesus Himself.
The following timeline is centered around three generally accepted dates:
1) The call to rebuild Jerusalem -444 B.C.
2) The birth of Christ -6 B.C.--accurate historical timing has shown us that Jesus' birth came 6 years earlier than it was once thought
3) The death of Herod the Great -4 B.C.

By creating this timeline, we can place the birth of Adam at 4174 B.C. [give or take a year or two!] At this point, for us to show Biblically that the earth itself is approximately 6,177 years old.

LOL!!!! No....I'm not sure about very much. Like everyone else, I am a product of my education.

I went to college at a small, but very highly regarded (academically) Baptist college. My Bible professor stressed that the Old Testament was not to be taken literally. He used to say that it was a collection of simple stories for simple people to try and help them understand a complex idea. His favorite phrase was "You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk."

I take the book of Genesis with a big dose of salt. I do, however, enjoy the KJV for what it is. A beautifully written work.

[mcgonser]

I was taught that the old testament was writtten for those times and to give us a complete history of mankind. The new testament was written for gentiles or non-jews, even though jews can convert if they wish. I think of myself as a N.T. christian and am OT historian. We can learn a lot from our history.

[Exterminator]

That's all very convenient.  I just took it a step further and decided that neither the old nor the new testament is relevant.

[Bo D]

That's all very convenient.  I just took it a step further and decided that neither the old nor the new testament is relevant.

And I fully support your right to do so. 

But I reserve the right to disagree with certain portions of your statement.

[Locutus]

My Bible professor stressed that the Old Testament was not to be taken literally. He used to say that it was a collection of simple stories for simple people to try and help them understand a complex idea.

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I take the book of Genesis with a big dose of salt.

Blasphemy!!  You'll be a heathen like me if you keep talkin' like that. 

[pariann]

That's what I like about an independent belief, you can choose to believe however much or little of the various writings and rantings as you feel comfortable with.    I feel the way that was posted about previously...golden rule, morals, all that jazz, and I choose to believe in Jesus, and that there is a supreme being I'll call God.  But a lot of Christians wouldn't much care for some of the things that I also believe, which contradict a lot of their teachings.  Oh well.  As long as I'm being good to myself and others, I don't care much of what they think of my belief's.

[followsthewolf]

Bo D posted:
"I take the book of Genesis with a big dose of salt"

So did I.

Trouble is, the dose of salts was so big I had me a big accident -- nearly on myself.

For what it is worth, one of my religion professors said, with some variations, just about the same thing as yours, Bo D.

[mcgonser]

That's all very convenient.  I just took it a step further and decided that neither the old nor the new testament is relevant.

And I don't put you or your non beliefs down, do I? I also don't have to prove why I believe why I do, just as you don't have to prove anything either. But, when you put my God and Jesus down I will come to their defense just like I would for any of my family and friends. Can you see that?

[Locutus]

God still sucks! 

[mcgonser]

God still sucks! 

To you maybe, but not to me. God rules

[Locutus]

Ole' Gawd doesn't rule squat. 

[dan foster]

Dan, I will try and answer your questions: It makes as much sense to me about God, Jesus, his death on the cross and resurrection 3 days later, as it does to you that man evolved from an ape, or that all the thousands of organisms in this world evolved from one cell that climbed out of a sludge pit. So, why is it so important to you that I am wrong and you are right, what does it really matter??? I believe in the Bible, God and his word. You can't change that. Why can't you give me the Freedom to worship as I please, as I give you the right to not worship. It is not us believers that are getting hostile, hateful and trashing on here. It really is your group that is demanding that we say you are right. I will not try to prove that anything is right or wrong on this subject. You either have the faith to believe or you don't. But I will add this, we can't put all of our faith in Scientific facts, they have been proven wrong before. I find it interesting that you want us to Prove there is a God, are there doubts in your mind? I don't need for you to prove to me that there is no God, because that is a lie to me. Lets just agree to disagree on this subject and move on. Peace be with you.

First, we didn't descend from apes; that is an anti-evolution lie put out there.  True, apes are our cousins, but we didn't evolve from THEM.

Second, no one is taking your right away to worship.

Third, no one is asking you for proof of a god, especially sincc we already know "he" doesn't exist and you can't possibly prove he does. 

So, what, again, is your problem?  These forums are for debate.  Nothing more.  So, what are you asking me to do, again?  I am not out to change your mind, only challenge your bullshit claims.

[dan foster]

Can you prove that??? I don't think so. I like the theory that if man evolved from ape then the ape would of died out of existence thru evolution.

It's obvious you simply don't understand the topic, so why try?

[dan foster]

I was taught that the old testament was writtten for those times and to give us a complete history of mankind. The new testament was written for gentiles or non-jews, even though jews can convert if they wish. I think of myself as a N.T. christian and am OT historian. We can learn a lot from our history.

Yes, killing babies and raping virgin girls is a valuable lesson to learn.

[dan foster]

And I don't put you or your non beliefs down, do I? I also don't have to prove why I believe why I do, just as you don't have to prove anything either. But, when you put my God and Jesus down I will come to their defense just like I would for any of my family and friends. Can you see that?

It is kind of cute how you defend your imaginary friends.