God sucks!

[pariann]

Dan, you aren't challenging, you are baiting.  Admit it. 

[dan foster]

Dan, you aren't challenging, you are baiting.  Admit it. 

Sorry.  You lost me.  Baiting?  Be glad to "go round" with anything that anyone wants to debate.  However, I just saw your wink and guess you are joking, right?

[pariann]

i was joking about the admitting it.

The post directly above mine...that really is baiting.  You know he's going to come back and refute your claim of his imaginary friends.

Don't get me wrong....I've said it before, I am a believe too, but I just don't feel the need to 'testify' to people who have their own firm belief, or no belief as the case may be.   I do think though that other people go overboard defending their religion, when it's not necessary, unless they are trying to preach to you.   I don't like being preached to.  Ya know?

[dan foster]

i was joking about the admitting it.

The post directly above mine...that really is baiting.  You know he's going to come back and refute your claim of his imaginary friends.

Don't get me wrong....I've said it before, I am a believe too, but I just don't feel the need to 'testify' to people who have their own firm belief, or no belief as the case may be.   I do think though that other people go overboard defending their religion, when it's not necessary, unless they are trying to preach to you.   I don't like being preached to.  Ya know?

Those that feel the need to make sure you know their "friend" are especially annoying.  I don't begrudge anyone's right to worship as they will (although I resent the tax breaks and land/public use deals that are given to religions all over America; a waste of tax dollars).  AND, I will always fight the injection of religion into gov't.  However, I will argue against religion at every turn for its basic dishonesty and it's obstruction of real growth among our society.

[Anne]

[quote  I will argue against religion at every turn for its basic dishonesty and it's obstruction of real growth among our society.
[/quote]

What do you consider the real growth that religion is obstructing?

[dan foster]

[quote  I will argue against religion at every turn for its basic dishonesty and it's obstruction of real growth among our society.


What do you consider the real growth that religion is obstructing?

Tolerance, science, education, peace, to name a few.  AND, the social waste of money and time (self aggrandizing, masturbatory, cathedrals as shines unto themselves) instead of real, honest efforts at social justice and equality is by far the most egregious of it all.

[mcgonser]

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html

I beg to differ with you. We have had great scientists, teachers etc who were devout christians. Here is a list of some. I know of no more peaceful religion that believes and lives in peace than the Quakers. I have not given you my come to Jesus speach on here at all. I think you need to get a thicker skin and learn more tolenance of those who don't agree with you view. JMO

[Locutus]

I'd wager that those who are "true" scientists are those that don't take the bible literally either.

[dan foster]

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html

I beg to differ with you. We have had great scientists, teachers etc who were devout christians. Here is a list of some. I know of no more peaceful religion that believes and lives in peace than the Quakers. I have not given you my come to Jesus speach on here at all. I think you need to get a thicker skin and learn more tolenance of those who don't agree with you view. JMO

I don't care if anyone agrees with me, at all.  Not my mission.  I don't need the warm fuzzy that I am right and you are wrong.  It just is that way.  You only belabor my point; how is it seemingly intelligent people (or dumb assess that at least made it through the education system) can believe such nonsense?  I consider that question to be a graduate level thesis in psych.

Sorry, I stopped at the first name on your linked list; Einstein.  Your insinuation that he was a christian is an absolute lie.  Or would you know the difference?

[me]

I don't care if anyone agrees with me, at all.  Not my mission.  I don't need the warm fuzzy that I am right and you are wrong.  It just is that way.  You only belabor my point; how is it seemingly intelligent people (or dumb assess that at least made it through the education system) can believe such nonsense?  I consider that question to be a graduate level thesis in psych.

Sorry, I stopped at the first name on your linked list; Einstein.  Your insinuation that he was a christian is an absolute lie.  Or would you know the difference?

Dan, why are so angry all the time? 

[dan foster]

Dan, why are so angry all the time?

What, for calling someone on a lie?  However, I am not angry, at all.  It really is hard to read emotion in these lines, but if that is what you see, not much I can do about it.  I guess I would ask; why do you assume I am angry?

[mcgonser]

I don't care if anyone agrees with me, at all.  Not my mission.  I don't need the warm fuzzy that I am right and you are wrong.  It just is that way.  You only belabor my point; how is it seemingly intelligent people (or dumb assess that at least made it through the education system) can believe such nonsense?  I consider that question to be a graduate level thesis in psych.

Sorry, I stopped at the first name on your linked list; Einstein.  Your insinuation that he was a christian is an absolute lie.  Or would you know the difference?

Oh dan. there you go. The title said these men believed in God. Jews and Christians believe in God. You state that you do not.
Just making a point that God fearing people have made great accomplishments in Science and other intelligent fields. Don't stop at the first one on the list, read on it is very interesting.

[me]

What, for calling someone on a lie?  However, I am not angry, at all.  It really is hard to read emotion in these lines, but if that is what you see, not much I can do about it.  I guess I would ask; why do you assume I am angry?

The way you phrase things I guess. 

[dan foster]

Oh dan. there you go. The title said these men believed in God. Jews and Christians believe in God. You state that you do not.
Just making a point that God fearing people have made great accomplishments in Science and other intelligent fields. Don't stop at the first one on the list, read on it is very interesting.

OK, Einstein didn't even believe in YOUR god, and he certainly wasn't a christian.  So, your insinuation, even if it is about a god vice christian, is still a lie.  Why would you perpetuate a lie?

[dan foster]

Oh dan. there you go. The title said these men believed in God. Jews and Christians believe in God. You state that you do not.
Just making a point that God fearing people have made great accomplishments in Science and other intelligent fields. Don't stop at the first one on the list, read on it is very interesting.

No point in challenging anyone else on your list.  I don't care how many great discoveries can be attributed to "people of faith".  Like I said, that one still puzzles me.  Can you explain how people that seem intelligent can still believe ridiculous stuff?  Of course you can't.  You are in the middle of the same delusion they had (if any of them were truly "of faith").  You do realize there are a great number of folks who just go through the motions without knowing a single thing about which they believe.  They do it in name, only.  So, kind of hard to actually give a list of those who truly believe as; if they do truly believe, they aren't being hones with themselves, by definition.  Or, they really don't believe, but can't be honest about it with anyone else.  Thus, the dishonesty, of it all.  Sorry, that doesn't leave you much room to "win" the argument and the reason NONE of the "if you just knew him like I do" works on me, and probably a few others on this post.  "Reality Bites", but I will take the truth any day over that of self delusion and outright lies.