God sucks!

[followsthewolf]

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Yesterday my husband hit a tree while skiing at Monarc ski resort. He's lucky it didn't kill him. He took a pretty hard hit, tore up a side of his neck, but at least he's alive. He said he was going very fast through a wooded area at the resort.. and tried to get out of the way but didn't have time to, then he hit. I thank GOD for watching over him. Just a few days ago a reporter got killed at Keystone resort here in Colorado by hitting a tree.



Ya know, you'd think that if gawud was really looking out for him, the big guy in the sky wouldn't have let him hit the damn tree.

But, with her fuzzy logic, she's thankful that her husband is still alive.

Now, that I find a bit strange, also. 'Cuz, ya know, if she believes so much in her version of the creator,  why wouldn't she be happy if her hubby were called home to hebbin.

Then again, mebbe she just wants a few more years to tear his ass up down here, 'fore she sends him home herself. 

[Locutus]

Then again, mebbe she just wants a few more years to tear his ass up down here, 'fore she sends him home herself. 

LMAO!! 

[me]

Ya know I've been thinkin' about this thread.  I am an agnostic and I don't really believe in a "God" as such but I also think it is wrong to diss others because they do.  My mom is always trying to get me to go to church but I just don't see that I need organized religion at this point in my life.  She does so more power to her.  Why is it necessary to put anyones beliefs down just because you don't happen to agree with it?  Questioning is one thing but to make fun of it and diss it is entirely another.  If you would think about it most religions are similar in some way and some even have similar rituals.  They may not agree on all the rules of religion but they aren't even realizing, except for radical Islam, its all basically the same and as long as you live right and treat others right what the hell's the difference what you believe.  This might not make sense but I'm trying to condense and not make a mile long post.  I do look somewhere for guidance sometimes but I usually look within myself and if I'm able to clear my mind enough an answer to whatever the problem is usually comes to me I just have to be smart enough to listen.  It isn't always an easy answer and sometimes I don't like the answer but I usually know if its right or not by the way I feel when it comes to me.  Laugh if you want because its hard to explain so it makes sense.
I don't understand why it bothers me to see threads like this and I don't think its so much that "God" is being made fun of I think its because something someone believes in is being made fun of in a non constructive way.  Maybe its because I went through 35yrs of being made fun of and put down that cause's it to bother me I just don't know.  I'm sure if I think about it enough I'll figure out why it bothers me for sure.  If I do I'll certainly post it. 

Now I'm off to watch the Pacer game.....

[dan foster]

There are plenty of beliefs to be made fun of and no one gets a pass on that.  You showed some distaste for other ideas like "radical islam", but why just that.  Why not show some distaste for radical christianity, like the phelps clan of inbred mongrels?

To an atheist, all religions are just goofy.  Not much of another way to put it.  I, for one anyway, can't help but make fun of some of the beliefs, especially since I was lead to believe them myself at one time.

I think "we" have a right to think such beliefs are silly and every right to say that.  I would never just openly ridicule people, but these forums are for sharing thoughts and for those who would be offended probably shouldn't jump in.  However, I think this forum works both ways and there are certainly people who think non-belief is just as silly and say so.  It is then up to each side to defend its position.  However, atheists have the distinct advantage of having reality as a defense and religious folks nothing but vaporware....

[me]

There are plenty of beliefs to be made fun of and no one gets a pass on that.  You showed some distaste for other ideas like "radical islam", but why just that.  Why not show some distaste for radical christianity, like the phelps clan of inbred mongrels?

To an atheist, all religions are just goofy.  Not much of another way to put it.  I, for one anyway, can't help but make fun of some of the beliefs, especially since I was lead to believe them myself at one time.

I think "we" have a right to think such beliefs are silly and every right to say that.  I would never just openly ridicule people, but these forums are for sharing thoughts and for those who would be offended probably shouldn't jump in.  However, I think this forum works both ways and there are certainly people who think non-belief is just as silly and say so.  It is then up to each side to defend its position.  However, atheists have the distinct advantage of having reality as a defense and religious folks nothing but vaporware....

I will agree that radical christianity is almost, well, maybe as bad as radical Islam and almost for the same reasons. 
In my post I was voicing some of my thoughts because I'm just a puzzled by them as someone reading the post.  I have no clue as I said why I feel as though some of the posts dissing religion are wrong since I'm not a religious person.  I tend at times to put myself in the place of others to understand how they feel and at times I do it to a fault so maybe I'm looking at some of the posts as a believer would and feeling what they might feel I just don't know. 
I really don't understand athiest's.  I understand believing in something and that different things bring different people the comfort they need but what brings an athiest comfort?  When you are going through a particularly hard time what do you go to for comfort?   

[followsthewolf]

Family and friends.

And knowing that you are NOT a pawn in some huge universal chess match between the forces of "good" and "evil." No "satan" is out to get you, so you don't need a "god" to save you.

There are no evil forces at work in the world, only evil men.

[dan foster]

There are certainly those who need a mental crutch, but if not religion, then drugs, drink, etc.  I find that sad.  The world is what it is and things happen and projecting some acting force onto it might well be a comfort to those who believe.

As an atheist, it isn't that I don't "believe" in anything, it is simply that I don't believe in anything supernatural.  There is a difference.  What comforts me when needed?  I either work things out for myself, or count on other people (as locutus put it; family and friends) to help me work things out.  In other words, I count on real physical principles, or the level of my own intellect or insight, but I KNOW that is the extent of the reality around me and that no invisible force is going to do or change anything.  When I do something stupid, I don't blame anything else, either.  No satan to have lead me astray, no god to have started the game, no jesus to punish me for my stupidity.  Nothing.

[me]

There are certainly those who need a mental crutch, but if not religion, then drugs, drink, etc.  I find that sad.  The world is what it is and things happen and projecting some acting force onto it might well be a comfort to those who believe.

As an atheist, it isn't that I don't "believe" in anything, it is simply that I don't believe in anything supernatural.  There is a difference.  What comforts me when needed?  I either work things out for myself, or count on other people (as locutus put it; family and friends) to help me work things out.  In other words, I count on real physical principles, or the level of my own intellect or insight, but I KNOW that is the extent of the reality around me and that no invisible force is going to do or change anything.  When I do something stupid, I don't blame anything else, either.  No satan to have lead me astray, no god to have started the game, no jesus to punish me for my stupidity.  Nothing.

What you and FTW both said makes sense.  So actually athiests and agnostics aren't that far apart the way I see it.   

[Monroe]

Among atheists there is a subset with a need to attack and ridicule people who are not atheists, especially Christians.  That is easy to understand. 

It is more interesting to ask where the need to ridicule comes from. 

I think those low riding baggy pants that must be held up with one hand are stupid, ridiculous, but I don't wast time on a forum making fun of the boys who wear them.  Why would I?  Why bother?  It is enough just to think they are silly boys.  They get a "pass".

And to equate the Phelps bunch with radical Islam is a demonstration of ignorance or a willful distortion.

[followsthewolf]

Among xtians there is a subset (evangelicals) that feels the need to convert every last person to their ways of thinking, even to the extent of physical harm unless that goal is met (see: Spanish Inquisition, England's Star Court, ad infinitum, ad nauseum).

Then there is another subset that wishes to ascribe all moral conviction to the teachings of christ. Also dead wrong. And, of course, they think they have the "key to heaven" in their pockets, looking down their noses at all the "heathens" out there, rolling up their sleeves, and preparing to give the "great unwashed" their baths in the "blood of the lamb."

Been to those churches (probably more and different houses of worship than most on this forum), and done that. Would have gotten the t-shirt if they'd had them.

Did get damn near drowned when they baptized me (dropped me and then proceeded to step all over me on the bottom of the creek, keeping me from getting up by myself), though.

[me]

Among xtians there is a subset (evangelicals) that feels the need to convert every last person to their ways of thinking, even to the extent of physical harm unless that goal is met (see: Spanish Inquisition, England's Star Court, ad infinitum, ad nauseum).

Then there is another subset that wishes to ascribe all moral conviction to the teachings of christ. Also dead wrong. And, of course, they think they have the "key to heaven" in their pockets, looking down their noses at all the "heathens" out there, rolling up their sleeves, and preparing to give the "great unwashed" their baths in the "blood of the lamb."

Been to those churches (probably more and different houses of worship than most on this forum), and done that. Would have gotten the t-shirt if they'd had them.

Did get damn near drowned when they baptized me (dropped me and then proceeded to step all over me on the bottom of the creek, keeping me from getting up by myself), though.

I have been to several different church's too and it seems in all of them no matter what the faith 98% of the fellowship is all about what kind of car you drive, what kind of clothes you wear, and how much money you have.  Thats one reason, well several, why I don't go for the organized religion bit.  I'm not sayin' they're all like that just the ones I've experienced and the ones the kids went to when they were young.  They figured it out pretty quick for themselves too. 

[dan foster]

Among atheists there is a subset with a need to attack and ridicule people who are not atheists, especially Christians.  That is easy to understand. 

It is more interesting to ask where the need to ridicule comes from. 

I think those low riding baggy pants that must be held up with one hand are stupid, ridiculous, but I don't wast time on a forum making fun of the boys who wear them.  Why would I?  Why bother?  It is enough just to think they are silly boys.  They get a "pass".

And to equate the Phelps bunch with radical Islam is a demonstration of ignorance or a willful distortion.

If the outcome of the "baggy pants" were just the fashion statement, or lack thereof, then no problem.  Evangelicals and their fascist movement are a threat to the nation and that has far more consequences than baggy pants.  Phelps = terrorist = radical islam = abortion clinic bombing = christian soldiers = suicide bombers = ...

[Monroe]

If the outcome of the "baggy pants" were just the fashion statement, or lack thereof, then no problem.  Evangelicals and their fascist movement are a threat to the nation and that has far more consequences than baggy pants.  Phelps = terrorist = radical islam = abortion clinic bombing = christian soldiers = suicide bombers = ...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it simple ignorance.  Could you send me one of your cute little tinfoil hats?

[dan foster]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it simple ignorance.  Could you send me one of your cute little tinfoil hats?

So, as usual, you have nothing to offer.  Why not tell us why we are ignorant?  Just saying it doesn't mean much.  Surely we can benefit from you wisdom and maybe see the light.

[Locutus]

Found this on another thread here at the Zone.

Robert Montecelli, 28, of Wasilla, who told authorities God was working through him when he burned down his mother's home outside Wasilla, finally got a day in court Friday.

Montecelli missed his first scheduled arraignment Tuesday after he reportedly suffered an epileptic seizure. Wednesday a frozen sprinkler-system pipe burst in the Palmer courthouse, which curtailed business for the day. Friday, he finally arrived before Magistrate David Zwink, who informed Montecelli that he faces a count each of first-degree arson and driving without a license.

If convicted of the arson count, Montecelli faces a maximum 20 years and $250,000 fine.

Alaska State Troopers arrested Montecelli at 1 p.m. Monday after he admitted to trooper Scott Bartlett that he set fire Feb. 1 to his mother's home at 8005 W. Williams Road, southwest of Wasilla, according to Bartlett's affidavit in the court record.

Montecelli told the trooper that "God was working through him and was punishing his father for his sinning" when he set fire to Helena Montecelli's home.

Only the garage was saved; the house itself was a complete loss, according to acting Central Mat-Su Fire Chief Michael Keenan.

He reported finding five empty 5-gallon gas cans behind the house as firefighters worked to subdue the flames.

http://www.adn.com/matsu/story/309805.html

  Ole' Gawd must be returning to his old ways of hellfire and brimstone meted out to those sinners.  This time, one of his followers torched his mother's house to punish his father for his sins all the while claiming that Gawd was acting through him.

Montecelli told the trooper that "God was working through him and was punishing his father for his sinning" when he set fire to Helena Montecelli's home.

God sucks over and over and over again.