The HCRA

[Palehorse]

What's odd is I don't recall saying that either but, like you, I did disagree with Obama care because of exactly what's going on now since it is starting to take effect.

So why don't you go ahead and explain what "is going on now"?

[Palehorse]

Don't even TRY to tell my YOU read this WHOLE thing, and understand it....

There is enough carbley-goo BS in it....I DO NOT TRUST THIS GOVERNMENT....THEY BETTER take the time to be damn sure EVERYBODY understands WHAT this is going to mean to each and every one of us.....I have been buzzing through this every evening....and there is a whole lot in there that CAN make one extremely skeptical on what their intent IS.....

I will say this, I do NOT particularly CARE for OUR Government RUNNING anything that is going to effect my life anymore than they ALREADY do...........giving them MORE power over our lives is a bad, bad thing....as it is now, I think is better than what I may very well become....I think we, overall have it much better than other countries that HAVE social or universal or whatever you want to call it....State run healthcare....

I want this debate to continue for a while.....Prove that these "Pundits' are wrong with their analyses...we need to be SURE this is the right thing to do.........there will be ONE hell of a revolution IF this is remotely wrong......I know you will NEVER get 100% of the people to go along with anything...........I think the protests that are going on is a very alarming sign that we HAVE to slow down......

BIG Government is A BAD THING...if you think THAT comment is absurd or I am "just whinning incessantly"...then get used to it.....I'm not backing down for a second.....and I will fight this administrations desire to control the sheeple....until I die.   I'm not alone on this, and statistic's support it.......the growing deficits, with massive increases in spending........it is ALL happening TOO damn FAST......slow the F... down....take a breath.

http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?action=post;quote=326536;topic=15404.30;last_msg=414026

4 years later and you STILL do not understand the HCRA do you?

[Palehorse]

60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-17-aarp-health-overhaul_N.htm

54% Say Passing No Healthcare Reform Better Than Passing Congressional Plan

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/54_say_passing_no_healthcare_reform_better_than_passing_congressional_plan

Thirty-five percent (35%) of American voters say passage of the bill currently working its way through Congress would be better than not passing any health care reform legislation this year. However, a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that most voters (54%) say no health care reform passed by Congress this year would be the better option.

Here you infer that it isn't the preferred path.

http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?action=post;quote=327256;topic=15404.90;last_msg=414026

From the same article ...

"on average AARP loses some 300,000 members a month, but he couldn't say how many more members had quit for other reasons in that time period."

"AARP gained some 400,000 new members during the same period and that 1.5 million members renewed their membership."

...........

Let's see .... 60K quit. 400K joined up and 1.5M renewed.

That makes it 1.9M for and 60K against.  Roughly 32 to 1 for. I would say that's pretty much a landslide approval.

Proven a lie.

[Palehorse]

Congress gets the best doctors and the best care available and if you think that's what the rest of us will get you're delusional.  There is already a shortage of good doctors and with the influx of additional people it will be harder than ever to see any doctor at all in a timely manner. I don't understand why the liberals that are thinking this bill is such a good thing don't understand that.  Some of the evidence sited by conservatives may well be anecdotal but it is from real people with real experience in the situation not some statistic drawn up by a person who can slant it either way depending on who they talk to.

And here's your reinforcements. . .Who also doesn't understand the HCRA 4 years later. . .

[Palehorse]

Ok, in regard to the tax thing.  It isn't only the income tax that will be raised on the affluent but, as you have seen, there will also be a tax increase in goods which will hit everyone not just the affluent and will hurt the little guy even more.  You can't just think about the income tax here.  Also Bush's tax cut will fall off next year and that will be on the little guy too not just the affluent who didn't get it in the first place.   I would imagine those who don't pay taxes will not be getting their $300 earned income credit any longer which is going to hurt them.  The VAT is still being knocked around which would be 25% at least and that is on top of state sales tax, who is that going to hurt the worst?  That is on food too if you'd care to go read about it.  You can't just look at the income tax part of the equation. 
What health care company?  Private ones won't stick around because they're not going to be able to make any money so it will be a government ran health care company which will decide if you should have the testing or the treatment and that could be just as bad or worse than the private ones.
Speaking of special interest groups who would profit.  David Axelrod ring a bell?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5253089.shtml
They, the terrorists, quit attacking us here didn't they?

And here's a particular bunch of lies . . . As we see 4 years later. . .

[Palehorse]

Quote from: me on Today at 09:19:12 AM
What's odd is I don't recall saying that either but, like you, I did disagree with Obama care because of exactly what's going on now since it is starting to take effect.


And I ask again: What exactly is "going on now"?

[Palehorse]

If ya ain't got it, (money), ya can't get it, (health insurance).  Like I said earlier, not everyone is fortunate to be affluent like you.

Do you STILL believe that is how it will work? 

[Palehorse]

Quote from: me on Today at 09:19:12 AM
What's odd is I don't recall saying that either but, like you, I did disagree with Obama care because of exactly what's going on now since it is starting to take effect.


And I ask again: What exactly is "going on now"?

[Palehorse]

. . .
I know our current system is FAR from perfect.....but it IS better than other countries....the POOR get FREE healthcare now.....the VAST majority of the working class already has employer provided insurance...

Right here is where you infer, for the second time in this topic alone, that our healthcare system is far better than that of other countries. In reality it has been shown that this is far from the truth. Especially when one considers the quality of life of the majority of citizens in those "other countries".

And here's another:

the vast majority of Americans already have affordable health care......

[me]

Saying we don't need HCR and disagreeing with what the current administration has done are two different things.  It has not been in effect long enough for to realize the full impact of what's happening yet but your eyes will be open soon enough.  Cause and effect, unintended consequences, what ever you want to call it, it's on the way.

[The Troll]

Saying we don't need HCR and disagreeing with what the current administration has done are two different things.  It has not been in effect long enough for to realize the full impact of what's happening yet but your eyes will be open soon enough.  Cause and effect, unintended consequences, what ever you want to call it, it's on the way.

  Mean while, "ME" will live with her Medicare and Social Security and wait for the hammer to drop.  Right Cheesecake?  You don't need ObamaCare.   

[me]

  Mean while, "ME" will live with her Medicare and Social Security and wait for the hammer to drop.  Right Cheesecake?  You don't need ObamaCare.   

Nor do you Troll but we will also feel the effects of it and it won't be pleasant.

[Palehorse]

Quote from: me on Today at 09:19:12 AM
. . . I did disagree with Obama care because of exactly what's going on now since it is starting to take effect.


And I ask again: What exactly is "going on now"?

Saying we don't need HCR and disagreeing with what the current administration has done are two different things.  It has not been in effect long enough for to realize the full impact of what's happening yet but your eyes will be open soon enough.  Cause and effect, unintended consequences, what ever you want to call it, it's on the way.

You said (Above) "it is starting to take effect",  but now you are saying ,. . ."It has not been in effect long enough for to realize the full impact of what's happening yet. . ." And I ask again: What exactly is "going on now"?

You are basically saying the same things you said 4 years ago, so what exactly is "going on now"?

Be specific, because generalizations make it appear you don't have even the slightest idea surrounding "what is going on" right now; 4 years after you first said it.

How much time do you need to read the bill? You've had 4 years.

[followsthewolf]

Doesn't do that much reading.

Lets others do that work for her.

Probably why her business failed.

[Palehorse]

Doesn't do that much reading.

Lets others do that work for her.

Probably why her business failed.

Word!