Should the debt ceiling be raised.

[Henry Hawk]

LMAO!  Dream on!

You have zero clue to what my wife does and her salary, nor do you know what mine is....I have no intentions of getting into a pissing match...that is not my point.  The fact is, I pay plenty.

[RC]

I fit in the group that pays for most of the shit that benefits people like you.  I don't hate children; in fact, I really don't mind paying what I do in taxes when I fully understand that most of the benefits of doing so go to yours because I think it benefits society in general over the long term.  What I hate...and I mean really, really fucking loathe...is you illiterate jackasses who get online trying to pretend like everyone is taking something out of your pocket when it really is the other way around.

Please tell me how you know that I am illiterate?  Have you seen my tax return?  Do you know anything about me?  What you hate is the fact that I shine the light of truth on the bankrupt ideas that you support and are trying to force on people in the red states.  You oppose anyone who does not go in lock step of your big government nanny state ideas.  Just as all liberals/socialists you  lash out with foul language, lies, and hate, when you are exposed for what you are.

[Exterminator]

Please tell me how you know that I am illiterate?  Have you seen my tax return?  Do you know anything about me?  What you hate is the fact that I shine the light of truth on the bankrupt ideas that you support and are trying to force on people in the red states.  You oppose anyone who does not go in lock step of your big government nanny state ideas.  Just as all liberals/socialists you  lash out with foul language, lies, and hate, when you are exposed for what you are.

I know that you're illiterate because you can't correctly punctuate a simple sentence; it's fairly straightforward.  As for the rest of your bullshit, maybe you should get a fucking clue.

[RC]

I know that you're illiterate because you can't correctly punctuate a simple sentence; it's fairly straightforward.  As for the rest of your bullshit, maybe you should get a fucking clue.

Clue about what?

[Exterminator]

You have zero clue to what my wife does and her salary, nor do you know what mine is....I have no intentions of getting into a pissing match...that is not my point.  The fact is, I pay plenty.

You're right but here's what I do know: I know what I pay and, based on the current tax tables, I know what your exemptions are filing as head of household with yourself and your wife and your two dependent children as exemptions.  I also know what you do for a living and what the industry norm salary for an RCDD is...maybe you make a little more than that...maybe a little less but I know the range because it's my job to know such things.  Unless your wife is a doctor, and she isn't, your combined income comes nowhere near the $175k to $200k range necessary to even come close to what I pay in taxes so go blow that smoke up someone else's ass.

You also rent, if I recall correctly, so you pay no property taxes.  Property taxes primarily fund schools and while mine do not directly fund your schools since we live in different counties, they do fund the schools of many like you much in the same way as homeowners in your county, many of whom also live well but have no children at home, pay for yours.

Again...you people who bitch the loudest about all of the freebies from the government are the same people who benefit most from them.  You blather on about how your money pays for this and that but it isn't your money at all; it's mine.  I subsidize your life and the suggestion that you subsidize mine simply by virtue of my having voted for a progressive is insulting to those of us who carry the rest of you.  Put your money where your mouth is...do not claim your children as exemptions on your tax returns this year.  If you aren't willing to take that simple step and accept personal responsibility for the children that you chose to have without expecting some stipend for doing so, you have absolutely no right to speak to people who expect things from the government.

It doesn't work both ways...accept responsibility...full responsibility...for your decisions in life or stop talking smack about how everyone else expects a handout because you're one of them.

[Exterminator]

And by the way, I am speaking only to my personal income, not our household income.  Here's something else for you idiots to chew on: my fiance is retired at 50 and derives her income from dividends on her investments on which she pays a signifigantly lower tax rate than you pay without ever getting out of bed in the morning.  That's what you support; right?  Hell, lots of them are municipal bonds that have virtually no tax liability at all!  Those investments don't create the jobs you claim they will but who cares; right?

It gets better!  Her trust owns our mortgage!  Here's what that means...she not only gets to pay herself interest but we get to deduct the interest that she is paying herself from our taxes!  LMFAO!  Isn't this a great country!

You people have absolutely zero understanding of the shit that you advocate.

[Exterminator]

Clue about what?

Uh, I provided you with a link on deficit reduction?  Not the brightest crayon in the box; are you?

[Locutus]

And by the way, I am speaking only to my personal income, not our household income.  Here's something else for you idiots to chew on: my fiance is retired at 50 and derives her income from dividends on her investments on which she pays a signifigantly lower tax rate than you pay without ever getting out of bed in the morning.  That's what you support; right?  Hell, lots of them are municipal bonds that have virtually no tax liability at all!  Those investments don't create the jobs you claim they will but who cares; right?

It gets better!  Her trust owns our mortgage!  Here's what that means...she not only gets to pay herself interest but we get to deduct the interest that she is paying herself from our taxes!  LMFAO!  Isn't this a great country!

You people have absolutely zero understanding of the shit that you advocate.

It's a beautiful thing to be able to loan yourself money, and then pay yourself back with interest.  I've done the exact same things running loans through my company instead of the bank.    It is a wonderful thing if you have the means to do it. 

[Exterminator]

It's a beautiful thing to be able to loan yourself money, and then pay yourself back with interest.  I've done the exact same things running loans through my company instead of the bank.    It is a wonderful thing if you have the means to do it. 

Indeed it is; I've forseen downturns in the stock market, taken loans against my 401K when the price was high, paid myself more interest on the loan than I would otherwise have earned on the stock, bought the same stock back at a lower price and come out way ahead.  You can make money all day long timing things right.

The bigger issue here is how little the pundits understand or are even participants in the market, how much faith they bestow in crap like Faux News and how they follow along blindly thinking that it will ultimately benefit them somehow while they are being taken for a ride.  That they present themselves as being so much wiser than the rest of us and are more than willing to portray us as the dumb ones...well...that shit's just funny and they deserved what they get.

[me]

Indeed it is; I've forseen downturns in the stock market, taken loans against my 401K when the price was high, paid myself more interest on the loan than I would otherwise have earned on the stock, bought the same stock back at a lower price and come out way ahead.  You can make money all day long timing things right.

The bigger issue here is how little the pundits understand or are even participants in the market, how much faith they bestow in crap like Faux News and how they follow along blindly thinking that it will ultimately benefit them somehow while they are being taken for a ride.  That they present themselves as being so much wiser than the rest of us and are more than willing to portray us as the dumb ones...well...that shit's just funny and they deserved what they get.

Talk to me about how well you're doing if the stock market crashes and you can no longer take those wonderful deductions.  I'll loan you some of my mattress money I've been able to sock back by living within my means and stashing. 

[Exterminator]

Talk to me about how well you're doing if the stock market crashes and you can no longer take those wonderful deductions.  I'll loan you some of my mattress money I've been able to sock back by living within my means and stashing.

Suck it, hater!  Our investments are well diversified. We live well within our means; our means are just a lot more than yours.  Sorry you didn't plan so well. 

[me]

Suck it, hater!  Our investments are well diversified. We live well within our means; our means are just a lot more than yours.  Sorry you didn't plan so well.

I'm glad you think you know so much about me.  You are obviously not happy and are under a lot of stress.  Money ain't everything dude. 

[Locutus]

I'm glad you think you know so much about me.  You are obviously not happy and are under a lot of stress.  Money ain't everything dude. 

The point he's trying to make is escaping you.  Think about it. 

[me]

The point he's trying to make is escaping you.  Think about it.

It comes across to me as though he's pulling that "I'm better than you are" crap once again under the guise of trying to tell me how the tax loopholes for the rich work.  I know how they work and I don't happen to care to play the game.  More than one person thought they knew what they were doing and lost their asses. 

[Henry Hawk]

You're right but here's what I do know: I know what I pay and, based on the current tax tables, I know what your exemptions are filing as head of household with yourself and your wife and your two dependent children as exemptions.  I also know what you do for a living and what the industry norm salary for an RCDD is...maybe you make a little more than that...maybe a little less but I know the range because it's my job to know such things.  Unless your wife is a doctor, and she isn't, your combined income comes nowhere near the $175k to $200k range necessary to even come close to what I pay in taxes so go blow that smoke up someone else's ass.

You also rent, if I recall correctly, so you pay no property taxes.  Property taxes primarily fund schools and while mine do not directly fund your schools since we live in different counties, they do fund the schools of many like you much in the same way as homeowners in your county, many of whom also live well but have no children at home, pay for yours.

Again...you people who bitch the loudest about all of the freebies from the government are the same people who benefit most from them.  You blather on about how your money pays for this and that but it isn't your money at all; it's mine.  I subsidize your life and the suggestion that you subsidize mine simply by virtue of my having voted for a progressive is insulting to those of us who carry the rest of you.  Put your money where your mouth is...do not claim your children as exemptions on your tax returns this year.  If you aren't willing to take that simple step and accept personal responsibility for the children that you chose to have without expecting some stipend for doing so, you have absolutely no right to speak to people who expect things from the government.

It doesn't work both ways...accept responsibility...full responsibility...for your decisions in life or stop talking smack about how everyone else expects a handout because you're one of them.

I can tell you for a FACT you are wrong on more than a couple of your "so-called" Knowledge of my personal life....and boy, what an opportunity for you to go on, and on, and on about yourself.......you never miss an opportuntiy 

First of all, I do NOT rent, I have my own home....and have for some time now.
Second, YES, I am a RCDD, but that is only a credential I have obtained to go along with the MANY aspects of my job and responsiblities.
Third, my "household" may not be in the price range as YOUR household....but it is MUCH closer than you think...

and lastly you have proven to me that you have absolutely zero understanding of the shit that you advocate....