Should the debt ceiling be raised.

[me]

This is awesome; finally we have agreement on something!  RC and 'me' agree to a one earner, one taxpayer, one deduction system with no deductions for non-working spouses (want another deduction, get a job!) and no deductions for breeders (sorry, if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em...not my responsibility to subsidize your breeding vis-a-vis deductions for your hell-spawn).

Let's lobby Congress and make this happen!

Are you with us RC?  Henry?

Does that include your hell-spawn. 

[Exterminator]

Does that include your hell-spawn.

I have never fathered a child.

[RC]

Only if the end goal is to trash the nation's credit rating, weaken its defense, throw millions out of their homes due to foreclosure and the rampant unemployment, trash the economy and any progress made on its recovery, drive gasoline and other petroleum products price per gallon higher, triple the cost of milk and all other dairy products, and killing millions of Americans over starvation and disease.

Make no mistake, just saying "No' will indeed drive all of those things a a plethora of others as the domino effect impacts the entire nation and all who live within it. 

People who do not understand the way economics works should not be given a vote surrounding key decision points of its day to day operations, policy changes, nor its path moving forward.

Now, I'm on board with the elimination of the breeder deductions, but let's see how many agree when they take away your mortgage deductions too.

The things you mention above should be cut this is why we are broke.  If you have a house that you can not afford you should lose it, after 99 weeks unemployment to bad you are on your own.  What part of 16 plus trillion in debt and we are broke do you not understand?

The free ride is coming to and end and it will be tuff for all.  Those that depend on government will be hit the hardest.

One more question, why do you hate kids?

[Exterminator]

One more question, why do you hate kids?

No one said he hated kids but there's no reason he or I should have to subsidize anyone else's decision to breed.  What part of more people = more infrastructure = more cost do you not understand?

[Palehorse]

The things you mention above should be cut this is why we are broke.  If you have a house that you can not afford you should lose it, after 99 weeks unemployment to bad you are on your own.  What part of 16 plus trillion in debt and we are broke do you not understand?

The free ride is coming to and end and it will be tuff for all.  Those that depend on government will be hit the hardest.

One more question, why do you hate kids?

So you are an extremist conservative then. Nice. 

So the "housing bubble" is just the foreshadowing of the massive homelessness that will result from the drop in new home construction and existing home remodels, the continued drop in the local and state revenue streams brought about by it, etc., etc., etc. ?

Trashing the nation's credit rating will equate to even less money available to consumers and what may be available will be at 3 and 4 times current rates. It will also mean the government will default on outstanding debts and result in massive cuts in headcount at the government level along with non-payment of social security. (But the hogs at the troughs will still get their pay).

It also means a total collapse of the nation's economy will result, which means any outstanding balance on your home and other credit purchases will suddenly increase; and some of them may potentially become "due in full" due to the failure of the institutions you owe.

Small businesses will fail by the millions nationwide, having their lines of credit dissolve.

And I don't want to hear you bitching about the price of petrol, the unreasonable licensing fees, and the outrageous cost of maintenance of your vehicles. (Just where do you think local government will make up the revenues it loses with the phalanx of empty homes and the loss of federal subsidization for infrastructure?)

And I hope you like powdered milk products. Because that will be the only thing you can afford when it comes to dairy. And forget about eggs. You can't afford them. And when your crops fail, because you WILL be forced to farm whether you like it or not, tough. That program takes the axe too according to you.

Finally, as the masses begin expiring on the streets due to starvation and disease, and the nation is overtaken by a foreign entity, what will you do? Bitch and moan of course.

I do not hate children, but feel free to jump to conclusions as you see fit. (You appear to do so quite readily as it is).
The fact is your deductions are nothing more than government subsidization of breeding, and since my breeding years are well behind me, I am unwilling to subsidize yours. (Or those of your children/grandchildren). Moreover, I am not going to pay for the healthcare of those children either.

As Ex so aptly put it:

No one said he hated kids but there's no reason he or I should have to subsidize anyone else's decision to breed.  What part of more people = more infrastructure = more cost do you not understand?

You conservatives like to damn everyone to a life of misery, contempt, and social / class warfare. I wonder how loud you'll screech when the path you support pimp slaps you and yours to the fate you so readily endorse for all?

[me]

I have never fathered a child.

That explains a lot.  That may have been by choice but believe me if you did have children an someone referred to them as "hell spawn"  you would not like it in the least.  Go up to one of your relatives and call their children "hell spawn" and see how it is received, especially if they are well behaved. 

[me]

So you are an extremist conservative then. Nice. 

So the "housing bubble" is just the foreshadowing of the massive homelessness that will result from the drop in new home construction and existing home remodels, the continued drop in the local and state revenue streams brought about by it, etc., etc., etc. ?

Trashing the nation's credit rating will equate to even less money available to consumers and what may be available will be at 3 and 4 times current rates. It will also mean the government will default on outstanding debts and result in massive cuts in headcount at the government level along with non-payment of social security. (But the hogs at the troughs will still get their pay).

It also means a total collapse of the nation's economy will result, which means any outstanding balance on your home and other credit purchases will suddenly increase; and some of them may potentially become "due in full" due to the failure of the institutions you owe.

Small businesses will fail by the millions nationwide, having their lines of credit dissolve.

And I don't want to hear you bitching about the price of petrol, the unreasonable licensing fees, and the outrageous cost of maintenance of your vehicles. (Just where do you think local government will make up the revenues it loses with the phalanx of empty homes and the loss of federal subsidization for infrastructure?)

And I hope you like powdered milk products. Because that will be the only thing you can afford when it comes to dairy. And forget about eggs. You can't afford them. And when your crops fail, because you WILL be forced to farm whether you like it or not, tough. That program takes the axe too according to you.

Finally, as the masses begin expiring on the streets due to starvation and disease, and the nation is overtaken by a foreign entity, what will you do? Bitch and moan of course.

I do not hate children, but feel free to jump to conclusions as you see fit. (You appear to do so quite readily as it is).
The fact is your deductions are nothing more than government subsidization of breeding, and since my breeding years are well behind me, I am unwilling to subsidize yours. (Or those of your children/grandchildren). Moreover, I am not going to pay for the healthcare of those children either.

As Ex so aptly put it:
You conservatives like to damn everyone to a life of misery, contempt, and social / class warfare. I wonder how loud you'll screech when the path you support pimp slaps you and yours to the fate you so readily endorse for all?

Someone subsidized yours. 

[Exterminator]

That explains a lot.  That may have been by choice but believe me if you did have children an someone referred to them as "hell spawn"  you would not like it in the least.  Go up to one of your relatives and call their children "hell spawn" and see how it is received, especially if they are well behaved.

It was by choice; I had my hands full raising the two who had been abandoned by their sperm donor.  And yes, I'm sure I referred to them at times as hell spawn as I have with the kids of friends and relatives.  I tend to avoid those without a sense of humor and even the best of kids have their moments.

[Palehorse]

Someone subsidized yours.

fuck u.

[me]

It was by choice; I had my hands full raising the two who had been abandoned by their sperm donor.  And yes, I'm sure I referred to them at times as hell spawn as I have with the kids of friends and relatives.  I tend to avoid those without a sense of humor and even the best of kids have their moments.

Yes, they do but to refer to all kids that way seems a little over the top.

[me]

fuck u.

That was not meant as a slam that was meant as a fact.  Your kids are young enough that someone who was the age we are now and had raised their kids paid taxes which included paying for schools.  Schools were not subsidized by the federal government when we went to school but probably were by state taxes so someone who had raised their kids helped pay for us.  I don't think the tax on schools should have to be paid by people who either have no kids or have none in school either but to refer to people who do have kids as breeders or, like Ex, refer to the kids as "hell spawn" is just a little over the top. 

[Henry Hawk]

fuck u.

really? 

why? can there NOT be a civil discussion anymore around here? 

[The Troll]

really? 

why? can there NOT be a civil discussion anymore around here? 

  U all gots to listen to Mommy Daddy Henry.  Youse hear. 

[Palehorse]

really? 

why? can there NOT be a civil discussion anymore around here? 

Once again. You give me attitude you get it back ten-fold. It is just that simple.

[Henry Hawk]

Once again. You give me attitude you get it back ten-fold. It is just that simple.

Let me see if I got this straight....Its okay for YOU to have an attitude, but if anybody comes back at ya, THEY are wrong?

Hey, I really don't care....I would just much rather try a kinder approach in 2013, but I won't lose ONE second of sleep over it, either way.