Public Unions & Collective Bargaining Thread....right or wrong?

[Palehorse]

http://www.union1.org/badforindiana/PDF%20Files/whatRTWmeanstoIUCI.pdf

The above was written by the trades that will DIRECTLY and NEGATIVELY impact the work YOU do!

If Union electricians and builders don't build or flee the state, how well do you think your company is going to be doing in 18 months? Think you'll still have a job? I highly doubt it. . .

[Palehorse]

Madison, Wisconsin (CNN) -- Throngs of protesters gathered in Madison, Wisconsin, Thursday, pounding on the windows of the state legislature one day after the Senate passed an amended form of a controversial bill that curtails the bargaining rights of most state workers.
Their actions prompted Capitol police to close the building and forcibly remove demonstrators inside who refused to leave. Police later re-opened one entrance of the building.
"These arrogant actions are what I had a nightmare about last night," said Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, a Democrat, who called the lockdown an "outrage.". . .

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/10/wisconsin.budget/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Right now I have visions of Kent State running through my head. Anybody else believe it is going to eventually come to just such a result in Wisconsin?   

[me]

Madison, Wisconsin (CNN) -- Throngs of protesters gathered in Madison, Wisconsin, Thursday, pounding on the windows of the state legislature one day after the Senate passed an amended form of a controversial bill that curtails the bargaining rights of most state workers.
Their actions prompted Capitol police to close the building and forcibly remove demonstrators inside who refused to leave. Police later re-opened one entrance of the building.
"These arrogant actions are what I had a nightmare about last night," said Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, a Democrat, who called the lockdown an "outrage.". . .

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/10/wisconsin.budget/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Right now I have visions of Kent State running through my head. Anybody else believe it is going to eventually come to just such a result in Wisconsin?   

Obama needs to get those people calmed down before it gets any further out of hand.  Can you imagine the stink that would be raised it this were the Republican's or Tea Party people doing this? 

[Henry Hawk]

But as usual, you won't read it, much less give it any consideration what so ever. You just roll your eyes and push forward with the job killing, worker killing, quality of life killing, wage killing, propaganda being proliferated by the corporate shill republicans! 

any proof?  Quit assuming you know what I read and don't read.....you are so ate up with your "sterotypical" corporate republican hatred...YOU refuse to even entertain what is really going on in WI.

I guess it is okay for me to assume what you think, since you are okay with assuming what I think and read.

[Henry Hawk]

Madison, Wisconsin (CNN) -- Throngs of protesters gathered in Madison, Wisconsin,

who was bussed in by unions from all over the country...

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/ny-unions-bus-in-hundreds-of-protesters-to-madison/

[Palehorse]

any proof?  . . .

HUH, go figure...

bump!

All Gov Walker is wanting to do is:


. . .

Enough said.

[Palehorse]

Obama needs to get those people calmed down before it gets any further out of hand.  Can you imagine the stink that would be raised it this were the Republican's or Tea Party people doing this?

WHY exactly, is it the responsibility of the POTUS to impose federal authority upon the dealings of the state?

The state will just activate those units of the National Guard not currently deployed in the middle east.
Watch. . . Kent State all over again. . .

[Henry Hawk]

bump.


Here are some examples of WHY I think they suck!!!



No Volunteer Crossing Guards Allowed
A Wausau public employee union filed a grievance to prohibit a local volunteer from serving as a school crossing guard. The 86-year-old lives just two blocks away and serves everyday free of charge.

Principal Steve Miller says, "He said, you know, this gives me a reason to get up in the morning to come and help these kids in the neighborhood."

But for a local union that represents crossing guards, it isn't that simple. Representatives didn't want to go on camera but say if a crossing guard is needed, then one should be officially hired by the city.

Source: WAOW-TV, 1/27/10
  $6,000 Extra for Carrying a Pager
Some state employees, due to the nature of their positions, are required to carry pagers during off-duty hours in order to respond to emergency situations. Due to the collective bargaining agreements, these employees are compensated an extra five hours of pay each week, whether they are paged or not.

For an employee earning an average salary of $50,000 per year, this requirement can cost more than $6,000 in additional compensation.

Source: 2008-09 Agreement between the State of Wisconsin and AFSCME Council 24
 
Arbitrator Reinstates Porn-Watching Teacher
A Cedarburg school teacher was reinstated by an arbitrator after being fired for viewing pornography on a school computer. The school district ultimately succeeded in terminating the teacher only after taking the case to the Wisconsin Supreme Court at great cost to the taxpayers.

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 8/23/08
  'Outstanding First Year Teacher' Laid Off
Milwaukee Public Schools teacher Megan Sampson was laid off less than one week after being named Outstanding First Year Teacher by the Wisconsin Council of English Teachers. She lost her job because the collective bargaining agreement requires layoffs to be made based on seniority rather than merit.

Informed that her union had rejected a lower-cost health care plan, that still would have required zero contribution from teachers, Sampson said, "Given the opportunity, of course I would switch to a different plan to save my job, or the jobs of 10 other teachers.

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 6/14/10
 
Union Opposes Cost-Saving Lawn Mowing Program
As a cost cutting measure, Racine County began using county inmates to cut the grass in medians and right-of-ways at no cost to the taxpayers. A county employee union filed a grievance indicating it was the right of government workers to cut the grass, even though it would cost the taxpayers dramatically more.

Source: Racine Journal Times, 5/12/10

  A Year's Worth of Pay for 30 Days of Work
Under the Green Bay School District's collectively bargained Emeritus Program, teachers can retire and receive a year's worth of salary for working only 30 days over a three year period. This is paid in addition to their already guaranteed pension and health care payouts.

Source: WLUK-TV, 3/3/11

  The $150,000 Bus Driver
In 2009, the City of Madison's highest paid employee was a bus driver who earned $159,258, including $109,892 in overtime, guaranteed by a collective bargaining agreement. In total, seven City of Madison bus drivers made more than $100,000 per year in 2009.

"That's the (drivers') contract," said Transit and Parking Commission Chairman Gary Poulson.

Source: Wisconsin State Journal, 2/7/10

  $150,000 Correctional Officers
Correctional Officer collective bargaining agreements allow officers a practice known as "sick leave stacking." Officers can call in sick for a shift, receiving 8 hours of sick pay, and then are allowed to work the very next shift, earning time-and-a-half for overtime. This results in the officer receiving 2.5 times his or her rate of pay, while still only working 8 hours.

In part because of these practices, 13 correctional officers made more than $100,000 in 2009, despite earning base wages of less than $60,000 per year. The officers received an average of $66,000 in overtime pay for an average annual salary of more than $123,000 with the highest paid receiving $151,181.

Source: Department of Corrections

Previously the Governors office released these examples of the fiscal impact of collective bargaining:

Paid-Time off for Union Activities
In Milwaukee County alone, because the union collectively bargained for paid time off, fourteen employees receive salary and benefits for doing union business. Of the fourteen, three are on full-time release for union business. Milwaukee County spent over $170,000 in salary alone for these employees to only participate in union activities such as collective bargaining.

Surrender of Management Rights
Because of collecting bargaining, unions have included provisions in employee contracts that have a direct fiscal impact such as not allowing management to schedule workers based on operational needs and requiring notice and approval by the union prior to scheduling changes. As County Executive Walker attempted to reduce work hours based on budget pressures and workload requirements by instituting a 35 hour work week to avoid layoffs, which the union opposed. Additionally, government cannot explore privatization of functions that could save taxpayers money.

WEA Trust
Currently many school districts participate in WEA trust because WEAC collectively bargains to get as many school districts across the state to participate in this union run health insurance plan as possible. Union leadership benefits from members participating in this plan. If school districts enrolled in the state employee health plan, it would save school districts up to $68 million per year. Beyond that if school districts had the flexibility to look for health insurance coverage outside of WEA trust or the state plan, additional savings would likely be realized.

Viagra for Teachers
The Milwaukee Teachers Education Association (MTEA) tried to use a policy established by collective bargaining to obtain health insurance coverage that specifically paid for Viagra. Cost to taxpayers is $786,000 a year.

Reference: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/milwaukee-schools-ban-viagra-teachers-union-sues-discrimination/story?id=11378595

Unrealistic Overtime Provisions
On a state level, the Department of Corrections allows correctional workers who call in sick to collect overtime if they work a shift on the exact same day. The specific provision that allows this to happen was collectively bargained for in their contract. Cost to taxpayers $4.8 million.

[Palehorse]

who was bussed in by unions from all over the country...

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/ny-unions-bus-in-hundreds-of-protesters-to-madison/

So? The Tea Party does the very same thing ALL of the time!

[Henry Hawk]

So? The Tea Party does the very same thing ALL of the time!

I just pointed out an observation, that's all.

[Palehorse]

I just pointed out an observation, that's all.

Uh huh. . .

So how many did they bus to the Indiana Statehouse today to swell the ranks to 8,000?

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110310/NEWS05/110310007/Republicans-corporations-targets-union-rally?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

[Henry Hawk]

Uh huh. . .

So how many did they bus to the Indiana Statehouse today to swell the ranks to 8,000?

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110310/NEWS05/110310007/Republicans-corporations-targets-union-rally?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

Out the 25,000, the THOUGHT was coming?..............there are plenty of rumors that Ohio and Ill was sending in some troops.  Also, it was "highly" suggested by IBEW, it's members to attend.....

[Palehorse]

Out the 25,000, the THOUGHT was coming?..............there are plenty of rumors that Ohio and Ill was sending in some troops.  Also, it was "highly" suggested by IBEW, it's members to attend.....

Hearsay . . . 

The fact is, whatever is happening in Wisconsin is going to happen right here too. You can take that to the bank. . .

And those Tea Parties aren't going to be immune from it either. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Hearsay . . . 

roll your eyes, that is fine with me....I know, I work with these guys.  I have had plenty of discussions with them.

[Henry Hawk]

Hearsay . . . 

The fact is, whatever is happening in Wisconsin is going to happen right here too. You can take that to the bank. . .

and this WILL be a good thing for hoosiers.....except those who are public employees and NOW, they will be on a level playing field with the rest of us....and the taxpayer will be the winners.