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Henry Hawk

#4635
January 28, 2015, 08:35:31 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2015, 08:15:58 AM
Are we pretending that the big money interests who already control the media aren't the same as those who control the government?
Nope! I'm not any way.  But, when our government is making it obvious, we don't have to sit back and just take it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#4636
January 28, 2015, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 28, 2015, 08:35:31 AM
Nope! I'm not any way.  But, when our government is making it obvious, we don't have to sit back and just take it.

Citizens United makes it pretty obvious and most continue to sit back and just take it.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#4637
January 28, 2015, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2015, 11:48:39 AM
Citizens United makes it pretty obvious and most continue to sit back and just take it.

We still have something called our First Amendment, that we cannot ignore.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#4638
January 28, 2015, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 28, 2015, 12:38:54 PM
We still have something called our First Amendment, that we cannot ignore.

Rights are afforded to individuals, not legal entities.  You can't simultaneously bitch about our legislative process being for sale and support the ridiculous rulings that make it possible.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#4639
January 28, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2015, 12:46:32 PM
Rights are afforded to individuals, not legal entities.  You can't simultaneously bitch about our legislative process being for sale and support the ridiculous rulings that make it possible.

I think all money given to any party or candidate MUST be publicly disclosed.  If an organization is giving to a party or an issue we don't agree with, then we can quit supporting that group.  But, for our government to regulate and determine how much, or who can give, then we are violating our first amendment.  It is plain and simple.

If there is to be any limits set on contributions, it should be done on a state level. Not by our Federal Gov.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#4640
January 28, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
So what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to buy our legislative process as long as we know who's doing the buying...gotcha.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#4641
January 28, 2015, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
So what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine to buy our legislative process as long as we know who's doing the buying...gotcha.


No, not saying that at all.  Saying, that we live in a country where we have the RIGHT to express our political views.  Having more money than some else is not a crime.  If we have full disclosure, of WHO is spending corporate money on who, then as share holders  or as private citizens, we can choose NOT to support certain groups.

I think it is DEAD wrong, when our federal government gets to decide who can give, and how much you can give...that is violating our FIRST AMENDMENT!

I understand your argument and concern, but I think full disclosure and allowing States to decide these issues is the best way to go.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#4642
January 28, 2015, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 28, 2015, 02:04:09 PM
allowing States to decide these issues is the best way to go.

In an election for national office?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#4643
January 29, 2015, 08:09:52 AM
Quote from: Bo D on January 28, 2015, 04:05:25 PM
In an election for national office?

You lost me on this one....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#4644
January 29, 2015, 08:17:05 AM
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

#4645
January 29, 2015, 10:08:24 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2015, 08:09:52 AM
You lost me on this one....

Because you're parroting things you don't understand to begin with.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#4646
January 29, 2015, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: Bo D on January 29, 2015, 10:08:24 AM
Because you're parroting things you don't understand to begin with.

Suck it Bo!
What was so hard to follow what "I" was saying?  YES, the STATES control the votes for their OWN STATE.  We are the UNITED "STATES" of America.  Really? I'm the one that is lost?

I am NOT parroting anything.....it is all common sense.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#4647
January 29, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

#4648
January 29, 2015, 12:38:41 PM
Still doesn't get it.   :no:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#4649
January 29, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: Bo D on January 29, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
Truth hurts, eh?

Sorry to be so rough on ya, but I gotta be firm on you libs......... :razz:

But, I was quite clear on what I stated, I really think it was you who didn't get it.... ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW
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