Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[me]

You say I'm talking out of my ass again.  Well, tell me something, if you have been through a lot of shit, why don't you show some compassion for other people who are not off as well as you are now.   

  I know what it was to be poor, having a outdoor john   A  pitcher pump by the kitchen sink.  How we took one bath a week and we took it in a galvanized tub on Saturday night listening to the Grand Old Opera.  No television a Zenith radio, one coal stove in the front room.  One light in the bedrooms, one light in the kitchen and maybe two lights in the living room.     No running water in the house, no inside bath no nothing. 

  I don't want to be poor again, I don't want anyone poor.  I don't want people to go hungry while the super rich live beyond belief.  You want the trickle down theory.  You want the crumbs that fall from the rich mans table.  It there were crumbs falling off a rich man's table his accountant would tell him to put a crumb catcher on his table and he would put it on.   

   I was born at the end of a Republican, Herbert Hoover depression.  I seen and heard the stories of the depression and what the Republicans did about it.  They let the people starve.  Herbert Hoover sat on his ass and did nothing for the common people.  The super rich didn't know there was a depression.  Building their mansions and driving their Diesenberg automobiles and buying all of the beaches in Miami Florida.   

  But where you come up with your Republican bull shit is beyond me.  You and your asshole buddies want to take this country back to the 18TH century where the super rich and the robber barons ruled.   I don't want to go back and I'll fight you to the death to keep from going. 

Too bad all that past experience didn't make you a better person instead of a greedy snob.  Yes, I consider you greedy and a snob because of your attitude about being worth so much, as far as your bragging about what you have, how much you made, and feeling you are/were worth those excessive wages, to impress other people who may not have been so lucky.  I am not impressed in the least. 

[Palehorse]

I do believe I pointed that out here: http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg453234#msg453234 You know what they say about assuming. 

You'd have been better off taking my assumptions. But since you refuse to:


Non Govt Owned Not for profit community hospitals – 2,904

For Profit Community Hospitals – 1,013

Total ALL US registered Hospitals – 5,754

50.47% of ALL US hospitals are registered as not for profit

Total admissions ALL US Hospitals - 36,915,331

Total admissions in Community Hospitals = 35,149,427

95.21% of all admissions in the US are to community hospitals.

http://www.aha.org/research/rc/stat-studies/fast-facts.shtml

Nationwide, about half of tax-exempt hospitals spend just a fraction of their budget -- 1.5 percent -- on free and discounted medical care. That's according a survey of hospital tax returns by the magazine Modern Healthcare. (2011 based upon 2010 information).

And before you get all jiggy over this you should do yourself a favor and read the CBO's report on Non-Profit hospitals in California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, and Texas—using data from 2003.
The five selected states were chosen in part because sufficiently reliable data on uncompensated care were available in those areas.

http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/76xx/doc7695/12-06-nonprofit.pdf

Nonprofit hospitals were more likely than otherwise similar for-profit hospitals to provide certain specialized services but were found to provide care to fewer Medicaid-covered patients as a share of their total patient population. On average, nonprofit hospitals were found to operate in areas with higher average incomes, lower poverty rates, and lower rates of uninsurance than for-profit hospitals.

The average "uncompensated-care share"—the cost of uncompensated care as a share of hospitals' operating expenses—was much higher at government hospitals (13.0 percent) than at either nonprofit hospitals
(4.7 percent) or for-profit hospitals (4.2 percent).

When regression techniques were used to control for hospital characteristics, non- profit hospitals were found to have adjusted Medicaid shares that were 1.3 percentage points lower than those of otherwise similar for-profit hospitals.

Studies have concluded that the differences in the level of un- compensated care provided by nonprofit and for-profit hospitals are small.
(Does not include "bad debt".)

Among both nonprofit and for- profit hospitals, a large majority have either low uncompensated-care shares (below 5 percent) or moderate un- compensated-care shares (5 to 10 percent).



So. . . there goes your argument. Read the friggin report by the BUSH era CBO itself.

[libby]

  I know what it was to be poor, having a outdoor john   A  pitcher pump by the kitchen sink.  How we took one bath a week and we took it in a galvanized tub on Saturday night listening to the Grand Old Opera.  No television a Zenith radio, one coal stove in the front room.  One light in the bedrooms, one light in the kitchen and maybe two lights in the living room.     No running water in the house, no inside bath no nothing. 

I heard stories like that - just about word for word - from family members who went through that. We were a little better off -- but not much and not for long, because my father died at age 48 of lung cancer, and left my mother at age 43 with 5 children. We made it, but it was hard. When I found out that mama had to go on welfare for a while, I, as the oldest, decided to give up a college scholarship (my principal wanted me to be an English teacher) and go to work. I never regretted it. And will never forget what it's like to be very poor.

[me]

You'd have been better off taking my assumptions. But since you refuse to:


Non Govt Owned Not for profit community hospitals – 2,904

For Profit Community Hospitals – 1,013

Total ALL US registered Hospitals – 5,754

50.47% of ALL US hospitals are registered as not for profit

Total admissions ALL US Hospitals - 36,915,331

Total admissions in Community Hospitals = 35,149,427

95.21% of all admissions in the US are to community hospitals.

http://www.aha.org/research/rc/stat-studies/fast-facts.shtml

Nationwide, about half of tax-exempt hospitals spend just a fraction of their budget -- 1.5 percent -- on free and discounted medical care. That's according a survey of hospital tax returns by the magazine Modern Healthcare. (2011 based upon 2010 information).

And before you get all jiggy over this you should do yourself a favor and read the CBO's report on Non-Profit hospitals in California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, and Texas—using data from 2003.
The five selected states were chosen in part because sufficiently reliable data on uncompensated care were available in those areas.

http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/76xx/doc7695/12-06-nonprofit.pdf

Nonprofit hospitals were more likely than otherwise similar for-profit hospitals to provide certain specialized services but were found to provide care to fewer Medicaid-covered patients as a share of their total patient population. On average, nonprofit hospitals were found to operate in areas with higher average incomes, lower poverty rates, and lower rates of uninsurance than for-profit hospitals.

The average "uncompensated-care share"—the cost of uncompensated care as a share of hospitals' operating expenses—was much higher at government hospitals (13.0 percent) than at either nonprofit hospitals
(4.7 percent) or for-profit hospitals (4.2 percent).

When regression techniques were used to control for hospital characteristics, non- profit hospitals were found to have adjusted Medicaid shares that were 1.3 percentage points lower than those of otherwise similar for-profit hospitals.

Studies have concluded that the differences in the level of un- compensated care provided by nonprofit and for-profit hospitals are small.
(Does not include "bad debt".)

Among both nonprofit and for- profit hospitals, a large majority have either low uncompensated-care shares (below 5 percent) or moderate un- compensated-care shares (5 to 10 percent).



So. . . there goes your argument. Read the friggin report by the BUSH era CBO itself.

I really have no clue why this is being discussed because the point is that help is available if you know where to look and it is being used as some whipping tool against Romney because of a remark he made as a distraction from what's going, or not going on, with Obama.

[Locutus]

Too bad all that past experience didn't make you a better person instead of a greedy snob.  Yes, I consider you greedy and a snob because of your attitude about being worth so much, as far as your bragging about what you have, how much you made, and feeling you are/were worth those excessive wages, to impress other people who may not have been so lucky.  I am not impressed in the least. 

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider an excessive wage or wages?

[Palehorse]

I really have no clue why this is being discussed because the point is that help is available if you know where to look and it is being used as some whipping tool against Romney because of a remark he made as a distraction from what's going, or not going on, with Obama.

It's a topic of conversation because it is the path you and Hank chose to attempt to support your skewed position; which you restate above. . .  And which has now been soundly found lacking in substance.

[me]

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider an excessive wage or wages?

Depends on the level of education, job type, responsibilities as far as job requirements, and continuing education requirements of a particular job.  If you figure benefits into a union autoworkers pay it come out to around $70 or more pr hour which is ridiculous. 

[Palehorse]

. . . If you figure benefits into a union autoworkers pay it come out to around $70 or more pr hour which is ridiculous.

IS this one of those statements that you pulled out of your posterior or do you have something supporting such?

[me]

It's a topic of conversation because it is the path you and Hank chose to attempt to support your skewed position; which you restate above. . .  And which has now been soundly found lacking in substance.

But the fact is as Romney stated, you will still get treated if you go to an emergency room and have no insurance.  Also if you are within the guidelines you will qualify for help with the bill in part or totally. 

[me]

IS this one of those statements that you pulled out of your posterior or do you have something supporting such?

Figure it up for yourself.  Even if I did show you the proof you would argue about it so I'm not going to bother. As I stated after I went to great lengths to prove something I won't do it again. 

[Palehorse]

But the fact is as Romney stated, you will still get treated if you go to an emergency room and have no insurance.  Also if you are within the guidelines you will qualify for help with the bill in part or totally.

Just like that sign in the ER at St John's aka St Vincent's: "If you require care for a life threatening condition you will be seen and stabilized, regardless of ability to pay. If you are uninsured you will be directed to another facility for further care post stabilization."

In other words, we won't let you die, but after you are stable we're going to kick you to the curb because you don't have no insurance. (Or you have medicaid).

[me]

Just like that sign in the ER at St John's aka St Vincent's: "If you require care for a life threatening condition you will be seen and stabilized, regardless of ability to pay. If you are uninsured you will be directed to another facility for further care post stabilization."

In other words, we won't let you die, but after you are stable we're going to kick you to the curb because you don't have no insurance. (Or you have medicaid).

Where is that sign located?  Someone I knew was recently there and was not sent to another hospital after he was stabilized.  He was lifelined to the one in Indy for a treatment they didn't do here but was then brought back.

[Henry Hawk]

all I stated was the st. johns is a non-profit organization.....the Troll said they no longer were.  He is wrong, I am right.  PERIOD

[Palehorse]

Depends on the level of education, job type, responsibilities as far as job requirements, and continuing education requirements of a particular job.  If you figure benefits into a union autoworkers pay it come out to around $70 or more pr hour which is ridiculous. 

IS this one of those statements that you pulled out of your posterior or do you have something supporting such?

Figure it up for yourself.  Even if I did show you the proof you would argue about it so I'm not going to bother. As I stated after I went to great lengths to prove something I won't do it again. 

Translation - "I pulled this lie out of my ass".

The real figure is $29.00/hr. (By comparison, the average wage of the hourly personnel in the facility in which I work is $21.50/hr.) Their benefits amount to about 15 bucks more an hour, making the comparison to my employer 44/hr - 36.50/hr. THEN your figure adds in the costs of OT, retiree benefits, and a bunch of other hocus pocus to arrive at the 70 buck an hour figure. (Just like the used care salesman analogy I used earlier).


http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/

[Palehorse]

Where is that sign located?  . . .

Figure it up for yourself.  . . .