Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[me]

. . .Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care. Half spent less than 2.46 percent of their operating expenses on charity care. . .

http://www.alternet.org/labor/not-profit-hospitals-make-billions-and-provide-little-charity-care

This a 2010 article on Cali NFP hospitals, but it is a safe assumption that it is rampant across the country. So no, I've already called out the"lie" in this and it wasn't by Troll. . .

The fact is NFP medical facilities reap billions in tax exempt revenue, and at minimum 50% of them spend only a minuscule percentage of that tax exempt income on charity medical treatments and services. And their web sites will tell you what you want to hear in order to feel all warm and fuzzy about them. . . Just like the republican party. But their actions tell the REAL story.

These NFP's are costing billions in tax revenue to the localities in which they reside. And they do very little in philanthropic endeavors surrounding the uninsured and poor.

Given Anderson's desperate situation how much do you think they really are doing at St Vincents? 

California not-for-profit hospitals are reaping huge tax benefits while providing minimal charity care.

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WTF?

[The Troll]

Troll, I don't know about St Francis, but St. Johns, which is notw, St.Vincent's is a member of Ascension Health, the nation's largest not-for-profit Catholic Healthcare System. ....

anybody want to challange another lie? 

http://www.stvincent.org/About-Us/Default.aspx

  St Francis is not for profit, huh?  I'll bet they're not for LOSS either.  Henry do you want to bet that you can go to St Francis if you don't have insurance and get a free heart bypass operation.  A free bone marrow transplant and for sure a gastric bypass operation.  Do you honestly believe you can go to St Francis hospital and get any big CANCER operation.  Just Bat Shit Crazy.   

  Henry you're going to have to give up smoking "The Gods Mushroom".  I don't care what hospital you or "ME" walks into, the minute you step through the door the hospital starts counting dollars. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  Really the dollars start mounting up when you or your doctor make the phone call to be admitted.    

  Come on Henry and "ME" get out from behind the curtain and see the real light of reality.  Hospitals don't give anything away.   

  Come on, come out.   We're on to you.       

  And thanks to you Pale Horse for your backup post.  The twins sure can't stand the truth from the Troll.  Don't you just love it, their love for the Troll?       

[Henry Hawk]

. . .Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care. Half spent less than 2.46 percent of their operating expenses on charity care. . .

http://www.alternet.org/labor/not-profit-hospitals-make-billions-and-provide-little-charity-care

This a 2010 article on Cali NFP hospitals, but it is a safe assumption that it is rampant across the country. So no, I've already called out the"lie" in this and it wasn't by Troll. . .

The fact is NFP medical facilities reap billions in tax exempt revenue, and at minimum 50% of them spend only a minuscule percentage of that tax exempt income on charity medical treatments and services. And their web sites will tell you what you want to hear in order to feel all warm and fuzzy about them. . . Just like the republican party. But their actions tell the REAL story.

These NFP's are costing billions in tax revenue to the localities in which they reside. And they do very little in philanthropic endeavors surrounding the uninsured and poor.

Given Anderson's desperate situation how much do you think they really are doing at St Vincents? 

Anderson St. John's is owned by St. Vincent.  Just ask the ER, how much they spend on those who don't have insurance for people seeking pain killers, people who have a stomach ache, or a head ache.  Millions of dollars.
THEY ARE A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION.  Spin it all you want, they are.  St. Francis may not be, never said they were.

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Romney on health care...

Scott Pelley asked the former Massachusetts governor if he thinks "the government has a responsibility to provide health care to the 50 million Americans who don't have it today?"

Romney responded:

"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance ... if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and — and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."

That was basically Romney's way of saying that people who don't have insurance can always go to the hospital emergency room.

Yet in 2010, in an appearance on MSNBC, Romney said almost exactly the opposite: "It doesn't make a lot of sense for us to have millions and millions of people who have no health insurance and yet who can go to the emergency room and get entirely free care for which they have no responsibility," he said at the time.

That's because back then, Romney was defending the Massachusetts law he signed as governor. It's the one that requires most people to either have health insurance or pay a fine — just like the federal law he now vows to repeal.

He used even more colorful language back in 2007, talking to Fox News host Glenn Beck. "When they show up at the hospital, they get care; they get free care paid for by you and me," he said. "If that's not a form of socialism, I don't know what is."

But in addition to flip-flopping, Romney is missing a key fact about the uninsured and emergency room care, says health policy professor Harold Pollack of the University of Chicago. Just because hospitals are required to see patients in the emergency room doesn't mean that care is required to be free.

"The emergency room is perfectly entitled to send you a whopping bill," said Pollack. "And there are many people across America who are facing significant financial problems from serious bills that they've received for emergency care."

It's only when the uninsured don't — or can't — pay those bills that the costs come back to the taxpayers. Pollack also says Democrats and Republicans largely agree that emergency rooms are wholly inappropriate places for most people to get health care.

"It's just about the least cost-effective way you can get your medical care. And we also have really damaged the institution of emergency department care by expecting it to take on these burdens it's not really designed to assume — to provide primary care to low-income people," he said.

[The Troll]

  All I got to say is that "ME" and the Hawk live down the Rabbit Hole to Alice's Wonderland.  The problem is they take for a fact and truth is what comes from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the Far Right Wings blogs.   

  They won't try to find what the real facts are.  They live in a Fairy world where 2 + 2 = 5.  What is so really bad is they think that Paul Ryan's and Mitt Romney figures are true and the absolutely the facts.  There is no way that the "Economy Twins" plans are true or will work.  Just trust them, we did once with George W. Bush twice and we all are paying for that blunder.   

[me]

  All I got to say is that "ME" and the Hawk live down the Rabbit Hole to Alice's Wonderland.  The problem is they take for a fact and truth is what comes from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the Far Right Wings blogs.   

  They won't try to find what the real facts are.  They live in a Fairy world where 2 + 2 = 5.  What is so really bad is they think that Paul Ryan's and Mitt Romney figures are true and the absolutely the facts.  There is no way that the "Economy Twins" plans are true or will work.  Just trust them, we did once with George W. Bush twice and we all are paying for that blunder.   

Troll I have a lot of friends who are lower income and I know for a fact both St. John's/Vincents and Community help with hospital bills as does Ball in Muncie.  Some doctors will also if they know you really can't afford it. 

That article say's 196 hospitals were surveyed and that isn't very many in the overall scheme of things and, of course they are only going to survey the ones that make their case for them or throw out the ones that don't. 

As a result, not-for-profit tax breaks for well-known California hospitals–including Cedars Sinai, Kaiser Permanente and Stanford University--dwarf the level of charity care provided. Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care. Half spent less than 2.46 percent of their operating expenses on charity care.

[The Troll]

Troll I have a lot of friends who are lower income and I know for a fact both St. John's/Vincents and Community help with hospital bills as does Ball in Muncie.  Some doctors will also if they know you really can't afford it. 

That article say's 196 hospitals were surveyed and that isn't very many in the overall scheme of things and, of course they are only going to survey the ones that make their case for them or throw out the ones that don't.

  So do I, my son and his wife.  They had to file bankruptcy over medical bills.  If I hadn't gave them a big chunk of money they would have lost everything.  I went through it and you don't know shit about it.  Turnip Truck Sweetie. 

  What you are trying to tell me is like telling one one who just lost their kid in a car wreck saying, "I know how you feel."  If you haven't went trough it you don't know shit. 

[me]

  So do I, my son and his wife.  They had to file bankruptcy over medical bills.  If I hadn't gave them a big chunk of money they would have lost everything.  I went through it and you don't know shit about it.  Turnip Truck Sweetie. 

  What you are trying to tell me is like telling one one who just lost their kid in a car wreck saying, "I know how you feel."  If you haven't went trough it you don't know shit. 

You are talking out your ass again as usual Troll.  You have no clue what I have or haven't been through.

[Palehorse]

. . .
That article say's 196 hospitals were surveyed and that isn't very many in the overall scheme of things and, of course they are only going to survey the ones that make their case for them or throw out the ones that don't.

WTF? Do you and Hank read ANYTHING?? (Rhetorical question since your responses answer it). 

[me]

WTF? Do you and Hank read ANYTHING?? (Rhetorical question since your responses answer it). 

As a result, not-for-profit tax breaks for well-known California hospitals–including Cedars Sinai, Kaiser Permanente and Stanford University--dwarf the level of charity care provided. Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care. Half spent less than 2.46 percent of their operating expenses on charity care.

[Palehorse]

In Cali . . . 

[Palehorse]

. . .Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care. Half spent less than 2.46 percent of their operating expenses on charity care. . .

http://www.alternet.org/labor/not-profit-hospitals-make-billions-and-provide-little-charity-care

This a 2010 article on Cali NFP hospitals, but it is a safe assumption that it is rampant across the country. So no, I've already called out the"lie" in this and it wasn't by Troll. . .

The fact is NFP medical facilities reap billions in tax exempt revenue, and at minimum 50% of them spend only a minuscule percentage of that tax exempt income on charity medical treatments and services. And their web sites will tell you what you want to hear in order to feel all warm and fuzzy about them. . . Just like the republican party. But their actions tell the REAL story.

These NFP's are costing billions in tax revenue to the localities in which they reside. And they do very little in philanthropic endeavors surrounding the uninsured and poor.

Given Anderson's desperate situation how much do you think they really are doing at St Vincents? 

[me]

Quote from: Palehorse on Today at 09:03:56 AM

    . . .Overall, the 196 hospitals surveyed received $3.3 billion in 2010 state and federal tax exemptions and spent only $1.4 billion on charity care--a gap of $1.8 billion. Three-quarters of the hospitals got more dollars in tax breaks than they spent on charity care. Half spent less than 2.46 percent of their operating expenses on charity care. . .

    http://www.alternet.org/labor/not-profit-hospitals-make-billions-and-provide-little-charity-care

    This a 2010 article on Cali NFP hospitals, but it is a safe assumption that it is rampant across the country. So no, I've already called out the"lie" in this and it wasn't by Troll. . .

    The fact is NFP medical facilities reap billions in tax exempt revenue, and at minimum 50% of them spend only a minuscule percentage of that tax exempt income on charity medical treatments and services. And their web sites will tell you what you want to hear in order to feel all warm and fuzzy about them. . . Just like the republican party. But their actions tell the REAL story.

    These NFP's are costing billions in tax revenue to the localities in which they reside. And they do very little in philanthropic endeavors surrounding the uninsured and poor.

    Given Anderson's desperate situation how much do you think they really are doing at St Vincents? 

I do believe I pointed that out here: http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg453234#msg453234 You know what they say about assuming. 

[The Troll]

You are talking out your ass again as usual Troll.  You have no clue what I have or haven't been through.

You say I'm talking out of my ass again.  Well, tell me something, if you have been through a lot of shit, why don't you show some compassion for other people who are not off as well as you are now.   

  I know what it was to be poor, having a outdoor john   A  pitcher pump by the kitchen sink.  How we took one bath a week and we took it in a galvanized tub on Saturday night listening to the Grand Old Opera.  No television a Zenith radio, one coal stove in the front room.  One light in the bedrooms, one light in the kitchen and maybe two lights in the living room.     No running water in the house, no inside bath no nothing. 

  I don't want to be poor again, I don't want anyone poor.  I don't want people to go hungry while the super rich live beyond belief.  You want the trickle down theory.  You want the crumbs that fall from the rich mans table.  It there were crumbs falling off a rich man's table his accountant would tell him to put a crumb catcher on his table and he would put it on.   

   I was born at the end of a Republican, Herbert Hoover depression.  I seen and heard the stories of the depression and what the Republicans did about it.  They let the people starve.  Herbert Hoover sat on his ass and did nothing for the common people.  The super rich didn't know there was a depression.  Building their mansions and driving their Diesenberg automobiles and buying all of the beaches in Miami Florida.   

  But where you come up with your Republican bull shit is beyond me.  You and your asshole buddies want to take this country back to the 18TH century where the super rich and the robber barons ruled.   I don't want to go back and I'll fight you to the death to keep from going.