Arizona's new illigal ilien law. Good or Bad?

[The Troll]

and I have told you time and time again, I would suspend the capital gains tax for one year.....and sit back and watch the consumer confidence flourish, the stock market rocket, and small business world would have new life...and WHY would a republican just say YES to something they do not believe in?...you got to quit bitchin at the republicans, because the democrats are NEVER going to have another chance like the are have had....if things are not getting done the way they wanted it is because they did not have the proper leadership...Reagan managed to get things done with democrats in controll...Clinton managed to get things done with republicans in controll, but why can't Obama get things done with his own in controll?....there USED to be a thing called politics where they wheeled and dealed....now it's MY way or NOWAY... anyway things ARE going to change this Novemeber.....

   Keep dreaming Henry.   There are only 10 open seats in the Senate and if you got all of them, you might have a one or two majority.  WOW.  You sure take that to the with you.  You still still have to face a veto and sure as hell you're not going to get 60 votes on anything.  You can bet of that.  The Republican will not get anything more than they are now.  NOTHING!  Because they are worthless.

  Reagan, WOW!  Won the Cold War all by himself.   He and Newt Gingrich started all of the we're going through now and three ( 3 ) tax raises.  UP to his time when he left office he had the largest deficit in the history of our country.  Praise to God, the greatest President in the United States of America's history, Ronald Reagan

  WOW.  You want to cut capital gains taxes to  create jobs.    Henry the first thing you have to have is a product that is in demand and PEOPLE WITH MONEY.  Your can create all the businesses you want, but you have people who can buy it.  They cut the ca pitail gain tax once and what did that get us.  Henry why don't your Republican Party start to working on bring some of our jobs back.  Reagan started NAFTA, why don't your party start bring them back.  Yeah when

  Do you believe that giving a capital gains break would bring all of the businesses lost in Anderson, Indiana, back and I'n not talking about GM.  Remember all of the good small business in Anderson.  Or you still dreaming. :zzzz:

[LOsborne]

I will post it again.......read it, or are YOU afraid that YOU might be proven wrong?......http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2001/10/Capital-Gains-Tax-Cuts

I appreciate the fact that you posted this report. However, the name of the author is not visible, and he provides no data to support his conclusion. How do I know whether or not I agree, when there is no supporting evidence? He could have pulled the conclusions out of his butt.

Now, as me is fond of telling us, the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy are about to expire. How 'bout providing us with a report detailing all the wonderful investment and job creation those tax cuts have made possible in the last decade?

[Exterminator]

I appreciate the fact that you posted this report. However, the name of the author is not visible, and he provides no data to support his conclusion. How do I know whether or not I agree, when there is no supporting evidence? He could have pulled the conclusions out of his butt.

Exactly, and he makes ridiculous cause/effect relationships as well.

Now, as me is fond of telling us, the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy are about to expire. How 'bout providing us with a report detailing all the wonderful investment and job creation those tax cuts have made possible in the last decade?

That would be the elephant in the room, now wouldn't it?

[Henry Hawk]

"reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth...."

This is a direct quote taken from the Congressional Budget Office, YOUR source of "emperical data"....http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3856&type=0


and here is another article that gives a clear explanation of WHY, eliminating the capital gains COULD be a very, very good way to stimulate economic growth....

http://www.american.com/archive/2009/august/capital-gains-tax-an-argument-for-repeal/

I'm NOT pulling this out of my ass, it is not only supported by many economic experts, it just makes for common sense..

[Exterminator]

Nice try at taking that partial sentence out of context to fit your agenda, Henry but we're not idiots.  Here's the entire conclusion which paints a markedly different picture: "Revenue estimators are often faulted for the way they project tax receipts and prepare legislative cost estimates related to capital gains taxes. But the relationship of realizations and receipts to gains tax rates is neither predictable nor obvious. And while reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth, a cut in capital gains taxes alone is likely to produce much smaller macroeconomic effects. Inaccuracies in projecting revenue and disagreements about the effects of tax changes stem not from a failure to incorporate the behavioral responses of asset holders but from the complexities inherent in the nature of gains and gains realizations."

Quoting a right-wing article by the ethically challenged Newt Gingrich does nothing to support your position either.

[The Troll]

"reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth...." This is a direct quote taken from the Congressional Budget Office, YOUR source of "emperical data"....http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3856&type=0 and here is another article that gives a clear explanation of WHY, eliminating the capital gains COULD be a very, very good way to stimulate economic growth.... http://www.american.com/archive/2009/august/capital-gains-tax-an-argument-for-repeal/ I'm NOT pulling this out of my ass, it is not only supported by many economic experts, it just makes for common sense..

Henry you can take all of your websites and stick-um. I know what is happening and all of your Republican slanted websites is going to change my mind. Especially what your Republican Party has done to America. As for you I hope you get some of your own medicine, that you and your party is trying to cram down everybodies throats. With all of it's free trade and give the rich and their corporations everything agenda. Lying, cheating and name calling which are all lies.

[Exterminator]

The sad part, Troll, is that people like Henry have actually been convinced that it is to their benefit when the rich get richer.  Where do they think that money comes from?

[Henry Hawk]

Nice try at taking that partial sentence out of context to fit your agenda, Henry but we're not idiots.  Here's the entire conclusion which paints a markedly different picture: "Revenue estimators are often faulted for the way they project tax receipts and prepare legislative cost estimates related to capital gains taxes. But the relationship of realizations and receipts to gains tax rates is neither predictable nor obvious. And while reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth, a cut in capital gains taxes alone is likely to produce much smaller macroeconomic effects. Inaccuracies in projecting revenue and disagreements about the effects of tax changes stem not from a failure to incorporate the behavioral responses of asset holders but from the complexities inherent in the nature of gains and gains realizations."

Quoting a right-wing article by the ethically challenged Newt Gingrich does nothing to support your position either.

that QUOTE was NOT from Newt, it was from the CBO, the group YOU said was 'emperical evidence'...and despite the whole paragraph, THOSE words, reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth...mean exactly THAT....IT DOES stimulate economic growth and THAT is all I have ever claimed...........Troll, wanted to know what I would do different, and THAT is exaclty what I would do....and what MOST conservatives actually believe to be the best solution to todays problem....and that was NOT just cutting the Captial Gains, it would be to SUSPEND them for ONE year......THAT would STIMULATE this economy rapidliy...

Troll, you can close your eyes and think that ALL conservatives are EVIL because that is what your daddy told you to think, OR, you can open your eyes and your mind and honestly look at what is being proposed....

btw, there is nothing wrong with "rich" people getting "richer" IF, it is done through a 'free market' and through 'free enterpirse'...the ability to succeed or fail, is up to folks who WANT to work hard and let the system work the way it is supposed to.....I can tell you one thing it is NOT a good thing for a bunch of 'white shirts' in Washington having the powers to dictate "how rich one can get"....and "redistributing" other peoples money to someone who thinks they are "entitled" to something, JUST because life is not fair.....or THEY are not willing to live withing thier means, and expect that they deserve the same life of one who has "earned" a special skill or trade..or made any sacrifice that those who DID, to accomplish a better way of life for their family....THAT mentality of MOST democrats is what is 'RUINING' this country......and THAT Troll, is a travesty and YOU should be ashamed and quit harrassing folks like myself who WANT those BASTARDS to quit playing politics and start doing what is BEST for America and quit blaming those who happend to be successful as the enemey....

[Exterminator]

that QUOTE was NOT from Newt, it was from the CBO,

My comment about Newt was referring to your second link; try to keep up.

THOSE words, reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth...mean exactly THAT....IT DOES stimulate economic growth and THAT is all I have ever claimed.

Right here, folks, is a perfect example of what I have tried to explain so many times on this forum about the importance of literacy.  Henry reads that phrase and concludes from it that it means what he wants it to mean when in the context of the paragraph from which it was taken it doesn't say anything of the sort.  Hell, even the phrase by itself doesn't say that it does stimulate economic growth but that it can.  What the paragraph really says is that the degree to which any tax cut may or may not stimulate growth is dependent on many different factors and a lot more complicated than people like Henry have been led to believe.

btw, there is nothing wrong with "rich" people getting "richer" IF, it is done through a 'free market' and through 'free enterpirse'...the ability to succeed or fail, is up to folks who WANT to work hard and let the system work the way it is supposed to.

So can we assume that you're not rich because you haven't worked hard because according to your formula, you should be if you had.  Again, where do you think that money comes from?  It comes out of your pocket, genius.

....I can tell you one thing it is NOT a good thing for a bunch of 'white shirts' in Washington having the powers to dictate "how rich one can get"....and "redistributing" other peoples money to someone who thinks they are "entitled" to something, JUST because life is not fair.

Well, my little sheeple, the white shirts in Washington, specifically the Republicans but the dems have had a hand in it as well, have doing exactly that for a long time.  There is no free market...the politicians have effectively stacked the deck in favor of the wealthy and against the middle class.  You are simply too dense to realize that they have sold you on being a shill for a system that currently works in direct opposition to your best interests.

[The Troll]

  Double Amen, brother Exterminator.

[me]

So can we assume that you're not rich because you haven't worked hard because according to your formula, you should be if you had.  Again, where do you think that money comes from?  It comes out of your pocket, genius.

And where do you think the jobs come from to put in our pockets so we can have the money to spend genius? 

[Palehorse]

What I cannot understand is why anyone would still be parroting that line of tripe, when the cuts they want to keep are still there and the net result is NOTHING constructive toward job growth from the private sector. Extend them and it will still be the very same thing.

Like the rest of us, the rich are running for cover; the only difference is they stand to lose less than those of us who can ill afford to lose anything!

[Henry Hawk]

My comment about Newt was referring to your second link; try to keep up.

I'm pretty sure that Newt Gingrich, who was at once ONE of the most powerful men in this Country, and had much to do with the successful years of Clinton, knows 'a little' more about economics of this Country than YOU do...

Right here, folks, is a perfect example of what I have tried to explain so many times on this forum about the importance of literacy.  Henry reads that phrase and concludes from it that it means what he wants it to mean when in the context of the paragraph from which it was taken it doesn't say anything of the sort.  Hell, even the phrase by itself doesn't say that it does stimulate economic growth but that it can.  What the paragraph really says is that the degree to which any tax cut may or may not stimulate growth is dependent on many different factors and a lot more complicated than people like Henry have been led to believe.

I have posted SEVERAL links over the years with PROOF, hell, we LIVED through some great economic times BECAUSE of stimulated growth due to the cutting of taxes....that quote was FROM YOUR SOUCE...EX, and it says,  reductions in the overall taxation of capital income can measurably increase economic growth....PERIOD.....from THE CBO....I never claimed that other factors COULD not also contribute......bu the fact remains, The CBO, admits, it CAN measurably increase economic growth...where as YOU and your liberal friends on here, claim that is does NOT...IT DOES!!

So can we assume that you're not rich because you haven't worked hard because according to your formula, you should be if you had.  Again, where do you think that money comes from?  It comes out of your pocket, genius.

Well, Einstein, you know exactly what I meant.... btw, being rich is a matter of perspective... ...I am rich, as far as I am able to live a happy and content life, with a wife of 26 years and five kids, a comfortable home, a wonderful job.....and I DID achieve this because of HARD work....

and YES, those entrepreneurs did get some of my money because THEY worked hard and offered something that I CHOOSE to buy from them.....that is the way things are SUPPOSED  to work...

Well, my little sheeple, the white shirts in Washington, specifically the Republicans but the dems have had a hand in it as well, have doing exactly that for a long time.  There is no free market...the politicians have effectively stacked the deck in favor of the wealthy and against the middle class.  You are simply too dense to realize that they have sold you on being a shill for a system that currently works in direct opposition to your best interests.

I do not deny that at all, and THAT is why I consider myself a conservative and NOT a republican or a democrat...and that is why I am 100% against what is going on right now, with more and more spending and governments determination to CONTROL the masses by it's desperate attempt to enforce more and more "rules" and "laws" to take away OUR freedoms....the only "dense" sheeples are those who think Obama, Pelosi and Reid really want what is best for this country...and cannot see what is going on...... ......it is time to STOP all of this chaos, and simply get back to restoring our freedoms.

[The Troll]

  How can someone be so wrong and not know it.  It must be some form of mental insanity.   Down the rabbit hole to Wonderland.

                      


  And just think all you have to do is lose your job to someone when your outsources.  How strong are your boot straps. 

[Henry Hawk]

  How can someone be so wrong and not know it.  It must be some form of mental insanity.   Down the rabbit hole to Wonderland.

                      


  And just think all you have to do is lose your job to someone when your outsources.  How strong are your boot straps. 

and just WHAT exactly are the democrats doing to change things?....HOW, are they keeping jobs from leaving here?